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2012-07-24 11:58:24 PM
Well, chemistry is objective. I hope the professor has a case.
 
2012-07-25 12:04:35 AM
Reading it through, it sounds like the teacher was a dick and should be canned.
 
2012-07-25 12:11:13 AM
Like I said, a good ole subpoena should do the trick. Or did the teacher forget to keep track?

Ridiculous that the mom is all involved in this bissh fight though. Unfortunately, some teachers are powerful enough at their schools that it takes a group or a determined adult to battle them.
 
2012-07-25 12:14:25 AM
MOMMMMMMMMMY!
 
2012-07-25 12:15:30 AM
his dream for the last three years is to go to UCLA

A C+ is going to keep him out of UCLA? REALLY?

This sounds like yet another case of the immovable moron meeting the unstoppable ass.

On one hand, the teacher probably should of let him make up the lab. On the other hand, it's likely the boy and the mother were not civil or reasonable in their approach to the issue. In other words, we need to hear the school's side.

In all likelyhood, everyone involved is probbaly derpin' hardcore.
 
2012-07-25 01:03:13 AM
I know a lawyer who knows a guy who knows a thing or two about chemistry...

encrypted-tbn2.google.com
 
2012-07-25 01:07:38 AM
On the upside, when those prestigious schools that junior is dying to get into google him and his Mommy - LOL- He's SOL.
F*ck these snowflakes and their parents. The teacher may have been a bit of a b*tch but she stood her ground. Rules, you gotta have them when dealing with a lot of people.
 
2012-07-25 01:26:21 AM

AdolfOliverPanties: I know a lawyer who knows a guy who knows a thing or two about chemistry...

[encrypted-tbn2.google.com image 240x142]


Nice.
 
2012-07-25 02:24:54 AM
Sure, he should have had the opportunity to slide or make up the lab he missed for an excused absence. He did however fail the final. Also, as stated... once he tries to get into prestigious colleges and they find our he is a sue happy asshat I think he will finally learn his lesson on entitlement.
 
2012-07-25 06:14:23 AM
This lawsuit will hurt him MUCH more than a C+ in his sophomore year.
 
2012-07-25 07:12:29 AM
I like how some of you are assuming that this is a BS lawsuit. You can't possibly know for certain that the teacher didn't intentionally tank the kid.
 
2012-07-25 08:06:51 AM

GAT_00: I like how some of you are assuming that this is a BS lawsuit. You can't possibly know for certain that the teacher didn't intentionally tank the kid.


There are two sides to each story. Until the teacher gives their side, I will withhold judgement, and I ask that the rest of you do so, too
 
2012-07-25 08:15:52 AM

cman: GAT_00: I like how some of you are assuming that this is a BS lawsuit. You can't possibly know for certain that the teacher didn't intentionally tank the kid.

There are two sides to each story. Until the teacher gives their side, I will withhold judgement, and I ask that the rest of you do so, too


I'm not saying the kid is telling the truth. I'm just saying that to assume it is BS because hurricopter parents is stupid.
 
2012-07-25 08:33:44 AM

puffy999: This lawsuit will hurt him MUCH more than a C+ in his sophomore year.

 
2012-07-25 09:15:17 AM

AbbeySomeone: On the upside, when those prestigious schools that junior is dying to get into google him and his Mommy - LOL- He's SOL.


puffy999: This lawsuit will hurt him MUCH more than a C+ in his sophomore year.


Pretty much.

[csb]
I was teaching Latin at a local high school in 1999. One of my students sat in the back and listened to his discman during class, didn't participate. We were only allowed to refer a student to the office twice in a week and we weren't allowed to do anything like just take the discman, so for most class days, there he was, sitting in back quietly singing along. After week 2 when he didn't turn in any homework I started trying to call his parents. Two messages a week. Logged them all up until they didn't show up for conference day, and after that I started keeping audio recordings. 31 calls throughout the semester. The were just not interested in talking to me.

End of the semester his homework average was zero. His test average was 62. His in-class participation was zero. He didn't even use his IDEHAC (I Don't Even Have A Clue - I gave them 10 points every time they used it to say "we're off the rails I'm lost" because if one was lost, others were too). End total 672 out of 2000 possible points. The grade is fairly obvious.

His parents wanted to talk THEN. Oh yes. I was going to keep him out of Harvard Law. They threatened to sue.
[/csb]

I don't know what the situation is with this kid, but I do know that most teachers I know wouldn't torpedo a student on purpose. Maybe when asking for the make up lab or when showing up for class or whatever, he threw some kind of entitled attitude. I'm going to assume that if is mom was showing up and getting so rant-y that the asst principal threatened to call the cops, that maybe the demands to fix the kid's grade were not quite polite.

We will never hear the school's side of the story because most schools have really strict "don't discuss crap like this with anyone outside the kid and their parents" policies. But I'll guarantee the "We were so nice! We have no idea why this went this way" bit is capitalizing on that policy.

I'm withholding judgment till the end, but I really do suspect this is a case of an entitled helicopter parent demanding special treatment and a teacher getting fed up with it.
 
2012-07-25 09:18:24 AM

unlikely: AbbeySomeone: On the upside, when those prestigious schools that junior is dying to get into google him and his Mommy - LOL- He's SOL.

puffy999: This lawsuit will hurt him MUCH more than a C+ in his sophomore year.

Pretty much.

[csb]
I was teaching Latin at a local high school in 1999. One of my students sat in the back and listened to his discman during class, didn't participate. We were only allowed to refer a student to the office twice in a week and we weren't allowed to do anything like just take the discman, so for most class days, there he was, sitting in back quietly singing along. After week 2 when he didn't turn in any homework I started trying to call his parents. Two messages a week. Logged them all up until they didn't show up for conference day, and after that I started keeping audio recordings. 31 calls throughout the semester. The were just not interested in talking to me.

End of the semester his homework average was zero. His test average was 62. His in-class participation was zero. He didn't even use his IDEHAC (I Don't Even Have A Clue - I gave them 10 points every time they used it to say "we're off the rails I'm lost" because if one was lost, others were too). End total 672 out of 2000 possible points. The grade is fairly obvious.

His parents wanted to talk THEN. Oh yes. I was going to keep him out of Harvard Law. They threatened to sue.
[/csb]

I don't know what the situation is with this kid, but I do know that most teachers I know wouldn't torpedo a student on purpose. Maybe when asking for the make up lab or when showing up for class or whatever, he threw some kind of entitled attitude. I'm going to assume that if is mom was showing up and getting so rant-y that the asst principal threatened to call the cops, that maybe the demands to fix the kid's grade were not quite polite.

We will never hear the school's side of the story because most schools have really strict "don't discuss crap like this with anyone outside the kid and their pa ...


You teach Latin? fark that dead tongue. You are what is wrong with English. Keeping that bullshiat language alive means watering down English with more Latin terms. fark you
 
2012-07-25 09:33:20 AM

doglover: his dream for the last three years is to go to UCLA

A C+ is going to keep him out of UCLA? REALLY?



I gave an honors student a C on a midterm report card a while back and the dad told me essentially the same thing.

I teach 8th grade. 8th farking grade.
 
2012-07-25 09:52:35 AM

doglover: his dream for the last three years is to go to UCLA


Hey douchebag (and parents):
1) Maybe you should have studied harder
2) Maybe you aren't UCLA material - then again you sound like an entitled c*nt, so you are already half of what they are looking for at UCLA.

Kids' parents are farking assholes nowadays. I hope the court throws this case out, I hope the school countersues and rapes the family's cash reserves so little Johnny will never be able to afford UCLA.

Bunch of f*cking entitled wankers in this country.
 
2012-07-25 09:55:16 AM
My parents probably would have bought me a new car had I actually passed chemistry with a C+.
 
2012-07-25 09:56:00 AM
I'm going to give you the worst grade ever, an A - -
 
2012-07-25 09:57:14 AM
www.mememaker.net
 
2012-07-25 09:57:27 AM
j.wigflip.com
 
2012-07-25 09:58:15 AM

Raug the Dwarf: [www.mememaker.net image 400x398]


Great Minds!!! LOL!!
 
2012-07-25 09:58:49 AM
LOL. This is why i should have RTFA. Let's see what the evidence produces. It sounds like there was plenty of blame to go around. Kid and/or parents may or may not still be douchebags, school lawsuits and the threat of them are ruining this country.
 
2012-07-25 09:59:32 AM
Damn! I could have skipped summer school!

/59 in junior year chem, teacher would not let me slide.
 
2012-07-25 10:01:15 AM
The article is an interesting read. Seems to me they could have solved the problem by just showing mom the grading records.

The story about the teachers retirement is also worth a read.

http://albany.patch.com/articles/ahs-chemistry-teacher-carlock-on-lea v e-until-june-retirement

But suing is not the answer.
 
2012-07-25 10:01:35 AM

cman: unlikely: AbbeySomeone: On the upside, when those prestigious schools that junior is dying to get into google him and his Mommy - LOL- He's SOL.

puffy999: This lawsuit will hurt him MUCH more than a C+ in his sophomore year.

Pretty much.

[csb]
I was teaching Latin at a local high school in 1999. One of my students sat in the back and listened to his discman during class, didn't participate. We were only allowed to refer a student to the office twice in a week and we weren't allowed to do anything like just take the discman, so for most class days, there he was, sitting in back quietly singing along. After week 2 when he didn't turn in any homework I started trying to call his parents. Two messages a week. Logged them all up until they didn't show up for conference day, and after that I started keeping audio recordings. 31 calls throughout the semester. The were just not interested in talking to me.

End of the semester his homework average was zero. His test average was 62. His in-class participation was zero. He didn't even use his IDEHAC (I Don't Even Have A Clue - I gave them 10 points every time they used it to say "we're off the rails I'm lost" because if one was lost, others were too). End total 672 out of 2000 possible points. The grade is fairly obvious.

His parents wanted to talk THEN. Oh yes. I was going to keep him out of Harvard Law. They threatened to sue.
[/csb]

I don't know what the situation is with this kid, but I do know that most teachers I know wouldn't torpedo a student on purpose. Maybe when asking for the make up lab or when showing up for class or whatever, he threw some kind of entitled attitude. I'm going to assume that if is mom was showing up and getting so rant-y that the asst principal threatened to call the cops, that maybe the demands to fix the kid's grade were not quite polite.

We will never hear the school's side of the story because most schools have really strict "don't discuss crap like this with anyone outside the kid an ...


From my 5th grade private school years....

"Latin's a dead language
"It's plain enough to see
It killed off all the Romans
NOW it's KILLING ME!!!"

-----------------
/Centurion: What's this, then? "Romanes eunt domus"? People called Romanes, they go, the house?
Brian: It says, "Romans go home. "
Centurion: No it doesn't ! What's the latin for "Roman"? Come on, come on !
Brian: Er, "Romanus" !
Centurion: Vocative plural of "Romanus" is?
Brian: Er, er, "Romani" !
Centurion: [Writes "Romani" over Brian's graffiti] "Eunt"? What is "eunt"? Conjugate the verb, "to go" !
Brian: Er, "Ire". Er, "eo", "is", "it", "imus", "itis", "eunt".
Centurion: So, "eunt" is...?
Brian: Third person plural present indicative, "they go".
Centurion: But, "Romans, go home" is an order. So you must use...?
[He twists Brian's ear]
Brian: Aaagh ! The imperative !
Centurion: Which is...?
Brian: Aaaagh ! Er, er, "i" !
Centurion: How many Romans?
Brian: Aaaaagh ! Plural, plural, er, "ite" !
Centurion: [Writes "ite"] "Domus"? Nominative? "Go home" is motion towards, isn't it?
Brian: Dative !
[the Centurion holds a sword to his throat]
Brian: Aaagh ! Not the dative, not the dative ! Er, er, accusative, "Domum" !
Centurion: But "Domus" takes the locative, which is...?
Brian: Er, "Domum" !
Centurion: [Writes "Domum"] Understand? Now, write it out a hundred times.
 
2012-07-25 10:01:42 AM
I got a D in a class b/c I had was in the hospital for two weeks, and the teacher gave me a 0 for every assignment I missed instead of letting me turn them in later. My mom grounded me for 3 weeks and had a conference with the principal. The teacher didn't finish the school year. Not sure if this is relevant.

/csb
 
2012-07-25 10:01:48 AM
FTA, "Bowen Bethards arrived to grade papers at the prearranged time but, according to the complaint, Carlock did not show, nor did she provide a grading matrix for Bethards to use. As such, Bethards says he could not complete the grading."

I would have given them all an "A."

Dumkb kid.

/hope he wins
 
2012-07-25 10:02:22 AM
However, i deserved the fail grade, as chem bored me and the math sucked. I was not involved at all in the whoopee cushion incident, either.
 
2012-07-25 10:02:41 AM
I made a C in high school chemistry and I went to Florida State.

So what I'm saying is, yeah this kid's life is pretty much ruined.
 
2012-07-25 10:02:45 AM

cman: unlikely: AbbeySomeone: On the upside, when those prestigious schools that junior is dying to get into google him and his Mommy - LOL- He's SOL.

puffy999: This lawsuit will hurt him MUCH more than a C+ in his sophomore year.

Pretty much.

[csb]
I was teaching Latin at a local high school in 1999. One of my students sat in the back and listened to his discman during class, didn't participate. We were only allowed to refer a student to the office twice in a week and we weren't allowed to do anything like just take the discman, so for most class days, there he was, sitting in back quietly singing along. After week 2 when he didn't turn in any homework I started trying to call his parents. Two messages a week. Logged them all up until they didn't show up for conference day, and after that I started keeping audio recordings. 31 calls throughout the semester. The were just not interested in talking to me.

End of the semester his homework average was zero. His test average was 62. His in-class participation was zero. He didn't even use his IDEHAC (I Don't Even Have A Clue - I gave them 10 points every time they used it to say "we're off the rails I'm lost" because if one was lost, others were too). End total 672 out of 2000 possible points. The grade is fairly obvious.

His parents wanted to talk THEN. Oh yes. I was going to keep him out of Harvard Law. They threatened to sue.
[/csb]

I don't know what the situation is with this kid, but I do know that most teachers I know wouldn't torpedo a student on purpose. Maybe when asking for the make up lab or when showing up for class or whatever, he threw some kind of entitled attitude. I'm going to assume that if is mom was showing up and getting so rant-y that the asst principal threatened to call the cops, that maybe the demands to fix the kid's grade were not quite polite.

We will never hear the school's side of the story because most schools have really strict "don't discuss crap like this with anyone outside the kid an ...


[csb]
Had a physics teacher junior year who had just gotten his doctorate, and insisted we call him Doctor. This was the advanced class. All the students had been in the same math and science classes together for years. He was truly an awful teacher. First time in my life I ever failed a quiz or a test. As we started to compare results, we realized that every one of us was getting a D or an F. He insisted the average was a C. We finally figured out the exchange student from Russia was getting an A+. Both of her parents were physicists.

Then we went to our parents. And they went to the admins. He somehow got magically better the second half and weighted that half of the class higher.

I guess what I'm saying is that teachers can be awful, and there's a reason to get parents involved sometimes.
 
2012-07-25 10:03:06 AM

doglover: the teacher probably should of let him make up the lab


Should HAVE, not "of". Seriously, where did you learn that? STOP IT.
 
2012-07-25 10:03:35 AM

cman:
You teach Latin? fark that dead tongue. You are what is wrong with English. Keeping that bullshiat language alive means watering down English with more Latin terms. fark you


I believe I speak for most Latin students when I say "Futue te".
 
2012-07-25 10:03:58 AM
Kids' parents may or may have not been douchebags, but don't forget....

Sometimes, even douchebags can be right.
 
2012-07-25 10:04:38 AM
1.bp.blogspot.com


...but in all seriousness, we don't know for sure that the teacher didn't maliciously screw over the student. Not all teachers are saints. I remember havign some pretty obnoxious teachers who would abuse their position in order to get revenge on kids or parents for slights, perceived or real.
 
2012-07-25 10:05:27 AM
I used to TA a lab and I had students that irritated the crap out of me, but I still gave them the grade they deserved (one of them was brilliant but had the most grating personality in the world, I'm not sure he missed a single question all semester). Most teachers/instructors are not vindictive enough to screw over their students the way the parents described. Beyond that, they definitely wouldn't do it to one of their top students who is actually engaged in the coursework (as the parents describe their snowflake).

Most school districts have really clear policies for excused and unexcused absences, especially by the HS level. The article doesn't seem to touch on that.

I'm very skeptical of the parents based on this story, but I'd love to hear the teacher's story before I condemn anybody.

Finally why did the kid need to be in court? I had a buddy whose younger brother and two sisters didn't even skip school for his graduation, and he was fine with it because he thought it was dumb to miss school for a pointless ceremony. I thought that was a little extreme, but I do think that every moment of life doesn't necessarily have to be some treasured Kodak moment with the entire family present.

Dammit I sound old.

\\ I'm only 31
 
2012-07-25 10:05:52 AM
You can blame this type of mentality on the Democrats - Ignorance and Entitlement.
 
2012-07-25 10:06:54 AM

video man: Reading it through, it sounds like the teacher was a dick and should be canned.


Do you think that might be because you're only hearing one side of the story?
 
2012-07-25 10:07:01 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-25 10:08:53 AM
As has been pointed out both here and in the comments within the post, we're only getting one side of the story.

However, even with only the kid's side, nowhere in the article does it say it was and excused absence. It says they informed the teacher and the school that he would be absent. If the parent's are not even saying it was an excused absence, then the kid failed a lab he missed, end of story.
 
2012-07-25 10:09:28 AM
I can't read this account of the events without an eyebrow raised.
I'm sorry, I've know a lot of biatchy, spiteful teachers throughout my life. I've even taught alongside some.

But I have never, ever known a teacher of such supervillain proportions. I'm not saying it's never happened in the history of everything that a teacher would be so hostile as to sabotage a student's whole life, but I am highly suspicious that it did here. Frankly, most of the time you have a student you don't like you just want to give them the grade they earn and pass them off to someone else.

And let me finish with some CSB time:

My mom was a teacher for 35 years before she retired. In her last few years, few farks were given about angry helicopter parents. One semester, she gave a student *gasp* a B! Well, the girl's mom was livid and ranted about how she should have gotten an A, blah blah. My mom looked at her right in the face and said, "You know, I'm retiring soon. If you want me to change your daughter's grade to an A, fine. Her grade has no real impact on me, just as long as you are okay with the fact that she got an A she didn't deserve." The lady was flustered and stammered out that she wanted her daughter to deserve the A. Mom my just stared and said, "Well, maybe yell at her to do her homework next semester instead of coming to yell at me."
 
2012-07-25 10:09:31 AM
"Bowen Bethards?"

I say give the kid his "A" - he was obviously destined to grow up to be a litigious dick of a doctor with a name like that .....
 
2012-07-25 10:10:14 AM
If you RTFA, it seems that the teacher really did try to tank the kid. Moreover, grades do have the potential to make a huge difference in someone's life. That one C could mean the difference between getting into a particular college or not, getting a scholarship or not. Why should the kid (or his parents) accept the grade if it is just a result of a teacher abusing her power? Building character is a shiatty reason. Losing a limb will also build character, but I don't see many people handicapping themselves.

/In college, I had an issue where a professor simply screwed up the math when calculating the grade and gave me a B- instead of an A (this could have affected my scholarship). I had to take it all the way up to the administration to get the grade changed, and this wasn't even malicious on the professor's part (he just screwed up and didn't respond to my attempts to contact him after the semester). I can only imagine what I'd have to go through if it was malicious.
 
2012-07-25 10:10:23 AM
haha even with a C good luck getting that 34k/year job in Computer Programming.
 
2012-07-25 10:11:13 AM

rjakobi: cman:
You teach Latin? fark that dead tongue. You are what is wrong with English. Keeping that bullshiat language alive means watering down English with more Latin terms. fark you

I believe I speak for most Latin students when I say "Futue te".


...et caballum tuum.

/my Latin teacher had us write curse tablets for homework
 
2012-07-25 10:11:36 AM

schattenteufel: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 720x486]


That cartoon is completely inaccurate!

The kid looks fatter in 1969 than he does today. It should clearly be the other way around.
 
2012-07-25 10:12:31 AM
UCLA is an Asian only scholarship school now, so a C+ in Chemistry will tank a white kid's chances.

They's all in the library saying, "OHHHHHHHHHHH CHING CHONG TING TONG LING LONG..... OHHHHHHHHHH."
 
2012-07-25 10:12:48 AM
Without the marked up final exam, it is quite a claim that this kid, with straight-A's, failed. FTA it sure sounds like something fishy.

Lawsuit to go from a B to an A+ however... is extreme.
 
2012-07-25 10:13:23 AM
i.ytimg.com
"Here's the bottom line: This kid earned an A, by anybody's standards," said Bethards's attorney, Daniel Horowitz.
 
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