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2012-07-25 07:48:34 AM

LarryDan43: Joe knows minorities get a bad rap. This is why he goes out of his way to preemptively clear them and wish them a nice day. Yes, in the process of clearing some of them he'll discover something wrong. But the point is, Joe doesn't set out to arrest those people and he doesn't profile for a nefarious reason. He's just trying to be nice.


"And if you play the tape backwards, you see the officers help Rodney King up and send him on his way."

God, I wish Bill Hicks and Carlin would have lived long enough to witness the teabaggers in action. They'd both have enough material to do an HBO special every month.
 
2012-07-25 07:53:10 AM

stoli n coke: LarryDan43: Joe knows minorities get a bad rap. This is why he goes out of his way to preemptively clear them and wish them a nice day. Yes, in the process of clearing some of them he'll discover something wrong. But the point is, Joe doesn't set out to arrest those people and he doesn't profile for a nefarious reason. He's just trying to be nice.

"And if you play the tape backwards, you see the officers help Rodney King up and send him on his way."

God, I wish Bill Hicks and Carlin would have lived long enough to witness the teabaggers in action. They'd both have enough material to do an HBO special every month.


I'm sure Carlin remembered the Birchers.
 
2012-07-25 07:58:58 AM
As Arpaio testified in court, dozens of opponents protested outside, and four were arrested for blocking traffic. The four are undocumented immigrants from Mexico who came to the U.S. with their families, according to Tania Unzueta of the National Day Laborer Organizing Network, which helped organize the protest.

Police said each will likely face a misdemeanor charge of failure to obey law enforcement's orders.



How about they are arrested for being here ILLEGALLY!

this "undocumented immigrants" PC crap is... well, crap. They are here legally or illegally, illegally means they are illegals.

 
2012-07-25 08:00:36 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: On a related note, thank Biki (the bike god) that Gato-negro and every other incarnation of animal-color is gone.
It's a much nicer place with out him, granted he's probably still here as someone else. But that guy sucked.

\So did Winterwhile
\\Gary could be amusing at times.
\\\Phil sucked.
\\\\Praise Biki!


Aw. I loved winterwhile.

Granted the guy probably had a serious mental health issue, but I was tears laughing when he went on that rant about "underwater basketball degrees"
 
2012-07-25 08:06:59 AM

vegasj: As Arpaio testified in court, dozens of opponents protested outside, and four were arrested for blocking traffic. The four are undocumented immigrants from Mexico who came to the U.S. with their families, according to Tania Unzueta of the National Day Laborer Organizing Network, which helped organize the protest.

Police said each will likely face a misdemeanor charge of failure to obey law enforcement's orders.


How about they are arrested for being here ILLEGALLY!

this "undocumented immigrants" PC crap is... well, crap.


Or accurate. But you don't care about societies rules, man. PC is crap.

They are here legally or illegally, illegally means they are illegals.

They haven't been convicted of a crime, the justice systems says they're fine for now.
 
2012-07-25 08:15:36 AM

randomjsa: You're a Republican, so everything you ever said or ever did can only ever mean precisely and exactly what liberals think it means. Forever. No take backs.

You're a Democrat, so everything you ever said or ever did is just a nuance, or was a long time ago, or it's just not related, why are you even bringing it up?


Go sit in the corner.
 
2012-07-25 08:38:52 AM
I love the fact that some of his most diehard supporters have stated that even if the Fed use this case to force him out of office that they can just reelect him next time it comes around. They don't understand that the fed will make sure any punishment includes something long the lines of not being able to run for any officer ever again.
 
2012-07-25 08:49:12 AM

Bloody William: Am I the only one who wouldn't mind seeing Joe Arpaio taking the Budd Dwyer retirement plan?


I'd much rather see him serve out a term in tent city, pink underwear and all.
 
2012-07-25 08:50:33 AM

vegasj: As Arpaio testified in court, dozens of opponents protested outside, and four were arrested for blocking traffic. The four are undocumented immigrants from Mexico who came to the U.S. with their families, according to Tania Unzueta of the National Day Laborer Organizing Network, which helped organize the protest.

Police said each will likely face a misdemeanor charge of failure to obey law enforcement's orders.


How about they are arrested for being here ILLEGALLY!

this "undocumented immigrants" PC crap is... well, crap. They are here legally or illegally, illegally means they are illegals.


The image is too big to show directly, here's the Link.

Basically, lets start off by assuming you're even eligible to get a green card. If that's true, it still takes a minimum of six years to gain citizenship - that's for spouses of people who are already citizens or somebody who's a world class athlete that wants to play for a US team.

But if you don't already have close family ties in the US, and you don't have some specialized skill, you're basiclly SOL - there's only 10,000 of those allowed in each year.

I just can't find it in myself to drum up some great amount of anger at some unskilled day laborer who's just doing what he has to to make a decent life for his kids, but has to break the law one time to do so because a hundred years ago the US set up a quota system because people got scared that the Irish, Chinese and Italians were going to swamp the god-fearing WASPs under in a sea of immigrants.
 
2012-07-25 08:55:26 AM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Uchiha_Cycliste: On a related note, thank Biki (the bike god) that Gato-negro and every other incarnation of animal-color is gone.
It's a much nicer place with out him, granted he's probably still here as someone else. But that guy sucked.

\So did Winterwhile
\\Gary could be amusing at times.
\\\Phil sucked.
\\\\Praise Biki!

Aw. I loved winterwhile.

Granted the guy probably had a serious mental health issue, but I was tears laughing when he went on that rant about "underwater basketball degrees"


I never saw him rant or ever EVAR say anything ineligible. His posts were always something incendiary, juvenile, and frankly retarded (clinically). All he ever did was draw attention away from a thread by requiring farkers to chastise him like a puppy who piddled the bed and knew better by now. But without the cuteness.
 
2012-07-25 09:09:32 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: On a related note, thank Biki (the bike god) that Gato-negro and every other incarnation of animal-color is gone.
It's a much nicer place with out him, granted he's probably still here as someone else. But that guy sucked.

\So did Winterwhile
\\Gary could be amusing at times.
\\\Phil sucked.
\\\\Praise Biki!


Remember Darconix? My responses to him are why I still can't post pics.
 
2012-07-25 09:16:34 AM

vegasj: As Arpaio testified in court, dozens of opponents protested outside, and four were arrested for blocking traffic. The four are undocumented immigrants from Mexico who came to the U.S. with their families, according to Tania Unzueta of the National Day Laborer Organizing Network, which helped organize the protest.

Police said each will likely face a misdemeanor charge of failure to obey law enforcement's orders.


How about they are arrested for being here ILLEGALLY!

this "undocumented immigrants" PC crap is... well, crap. They are here legally or illegally, illegally means they are illegals.


Have you ever violated any law or ordinance?
 
2012-07-25 09:26:29 AM
I love Sheriff Joe. May he be re-elected and continue to give the DOJ 'the bird'.

c325970.r70.cf1.rackcdn.com
 
2012-07-25 09:27:48 AM
Its going to be funny watching him wear the pink prison jumpsuit that he made so many others wear.

Hey Joe, enjoy the prison buttrape.
 
2012-07-25 09:27:58 AM

ox45tallboy: Uchiha_Cycliste: Not as such, AFAIK all ballot initiatives simply need to pass with majorities. The problem is getting enough people to vote yes on more taxes, Its much easier to her them to vote on more spending. Last election there was a ballot initiative to change the taxing majority in congress to be downgraded to a simple majority (like spending) but I don't believe it passed; short sighted idiots I for one voted yes on it. Of coutse

Well, that's what I meant. By gathering enough signatures in support of an idea, no matter how oddball, Californians can vote on proposed legislation, including legislation requiring spending, via a "Ballot Initiative" - even if the proposed law contains no method of funding (tax increase or spending cut elsewhere). If passed by simple majority vote, these initiatives become law and the Legislature must figure out a way to pay for them. It seems great when you're first presented with the idea, but in practice, it turns out to be a rather silly way to run a state government.



I think that's sort of a half-truth. I suppose the ballot initiative grants the people the power to vote for projects like an unfunded billion dollar escalator to heaven. However, despite what Fox news and the deep south would lead you to believe, most of (voting) Californians are not stupid. Successful ballot initiatives, from what I've seem, and I haven't voted in many elections yet, offer up both a description of what is being voted on AND a plan for where the money will come from whether its a bond that the residents of the state are on the hook for, or an increase in state sales tax, or what have you. It's possible for un-funded what have you to be voted on, but it's very unlikely to pass because the people aren't to keen on projects being paid for by magic money. Honestly, the CA voters are more mature than the CA senate/congress.
Prop 8 was an outlier and frankly the Mormon churches fault.
How they remain tax exempt is a mystery to me. I suppose their sheister god works in mysterious ways in order to involve himself in the politics of hatred.
 
2012-07-25 09:28:46 AM

rufus-t-firefly: Uchiha_Cycliste: On a related note, thank Biki (the bike god) that Gato-negro and every other incarnation of animal-color is gone.
It's a much nicer place with out him, granted he's probably still here as someone else. But that guy sucked.

\So did Winterwhile
\\Gary could be amusing at times.
\\\Phil sucked.
\\\\Praise Biki!

Remember Darconix? My responses to him are why I still can't post pics.


Heh, was it worth it?
 
2012-07-25 09:33:52 AM

Goodfella: Its going to be funny watching him wear the pink prison jumpsuit that he made so many others wear.

Hey Joe, enjoy the prison buttrape.


Doubtful - Sherriff Joe is like Michelle Bachmann; coated in "asshole" teflon. They do exactly what their constituents want them to, so they're not going anywhere.
 
2012-07-25 09:36:33 AM
time to ride to work.
Talk to you dudes later.
 
2012-07-25 09:37:48 AM

randomjsa: You're a Republican, so everything you ever said or ever did can only ever mean precisely and exactly what liberals think it means. Forever. No take backs.

You're a Democrat, so everything you ever said or ever did is just a nuance, or was a long time ago, or it's just not related, why are you even bringing it up?


Just let it go. It's gone. Get your mind right, and quit yelling at clouds - the future is coming, and you can't stop it. You really ought to spare yourself all this grief.
 
2012-07-25 09:48:13 AM

TV's Vinnie: Bloody William: Am I the only one who wouldn't mind seeing Joe Arpaio taking the Budd Dwyer retirement plan?

I'm more in favor of him being enrolled in the Jeffrey Dahmer early-release program.

[periodictable.com image 228x228]


There are times in which I love FARK so very, very much. THIS is one of those times.
 
2012-07-25 09:48:18 AM
Would someone please Photoshop Sheriff Joe wearing a pink uniform?

/thanks
//that would be teh awesome
 
2012-07-25 10:08:57 AM

Huggermugger: Would someone please Photoshop Sheriff Joe wearing a pink uniform?

/thanks
//that would be teh awesome


i950.photobucket.com

Quick n dirty...
 
2012-07-25 10:27:50 AM

Zerochance: Doubtful - Sherriff Joe is like Michelle Bachmann; coated in "asshole" teflon. They do exactly what their constituents want them to, so they're not going anywhere.


and just like Bachmann, he is well funded by outside money so it will be tough to get him out of office.
 
2012-07-25 10:40:48 AM

sillydragon: Quick n dirty..


That's not Arpaio.

Nice coloring tho.
 
2012-07-25 11:13:47 AM

UCFRoadWarrior: What hypocrasy...

Sherrif Joe being targeted for racism...by a group called LA RAZA (The Race)

Every group going against Sherrif Joe pushes the Racist ideas of Aztlan and Reconquista. This is nothing but Arpaio being lynched by the Hispanic Ku Klux Klan....using Black Racist Eric Holder as their point man. Sick


U Mad, ese?

www.dudelol.com
 
2012-07-25 12:29:07 PM

ox45tallboy: Uchiha_Cycliste: Not as such, AFAIK all ballot initiatives simply need to pass with majorities. The problem is getting enough people to vote yes on more taxes, Its much easier to her them to vote on more spending. Last election there was a ballot initiative to change the taxing majority in congress to be downgraded to a simple majority (like spending) but I don't believe it passed; short sighted idiots I for one voted yes on it. Of coutse

Well, that's what I meant. By gathering enough signatures in support of an idea, no matter how oddball, Californians can vote on proposed legislation, including legislation requiring spending, via a "Ballot Initiative" - even if the proposed law contains no method of funding (tax increase or spending cut elsewhere). If passed by simple majority vote, these initiatives become law and the Legislature must figure out a way to pay for them. It seems great when you're first presented with the idea, but in practice, it turns out to be a rather silly way to run a state government.


As UC mentioned, it seems that successful spending initiatives are more likely to have a funding plan attached. But just to clear up one bit: initiatives that involve tax increases require a two-thirds supermajority, except for school bonds, which require 55%.
 
2012-07-25 12:31:23 PM

Burn_The_Plows: ox45tallboy: FTFA: "The fact that that type of work doesn't require any type of uhm you don't have to show an id, uhm, it would be easier, that type of work would be easier for uhm a person in this country illegally to uhm get because they wouldn't have the proper paperwork for other types of employment."

[movieactors.com image 533x363]

/does not approve

I recently re-watched this movie a month or so ago, and I think it holds up extremely well, especially in the current climate of looking down on brown people being a "socially acceptable" racism. Bigots now have someone they can feel as if they are better than, because they're "only racist against the illegal immigrants, not against all Messicans." And they're illegal.

And don't forget it contains one of the finest drunk actors of all time -- JMV.


"Machete" is almost a documentary when it comes to Sherriff Joe. A reporter uncovered the fact that he owns millions in real estate in Maricopa- before Sheriff Joe threw him in jail and then (illegally) had all his land records sealed. There no way he can afford what he has on a civil servant's salary, and pretending to be obsessed with harassing brown people makes an excellent cover story for why he's failed to serve 35,000+ felony arrest warrants (his actual job)
 
2012-07-25 12:47:14 PM

LibertyHiller: ox45tallboy: Uchiha_Cycliste: Not as such, AFAIK all ballot initiatives simply need to pass with majorities. The problem is getting enough people to vote yes on more taxes, Its much easier to her them to vote on more spending. Last election there was a ballot initiative to change the taxing majority in congress to be downgraded to a simple majority (like spending) but I don't believe it passed; short sighted idiots I for one voted yes on it. Of coutse

Well, that's what I meant. By gathering enough signatures in support of an idea, no matter how oddball, Californians can vote on proposed legislation, including legislation requiring spending, via a "Ballot Initiative" - even if the proposed law contains no method of funding (tax increase or spending cut elsewhere). If passed by simple majority vote, these initiatives become law and the Legislature must figure out a way to pay for them. It seems great when you're first presented with the idea, but in practice, it turns out to be a rather silly way to run a state government.

As UC mentioned, it seems that successful spending initiatives are more likely to have a funding plan attached. But just to clear up one bit: initiatives that involve tax increases require a two-thirds supermajority, except for school bonds, which require 55%.


That's when passed by the legislature, right? Not when passed by voter initiative.
 
2012-07-25 12:57:57 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: GAT_00: Bloody William: Am I the only one who wouldn't mind seeing Joe Arpaio taking the Budd Dwyer retirement plan?

There's no way this cockbag wouldn't try to take out others. He doesn't even have the decency to off himself.

Did you look up the fact that Budd Dwyer offed himself and only himself before posting this?


The problem is, Arpaio isn't half the man Dwyer was. He's more a "shooting rampage" kinda guy than a "martyr myself" kinda guy.
 
2012-07-25 01:10:33 PM

LibertyHiller: As UC mentioned, it seems that successful spending initiatives are more likely to have a funding plan attached. But just to clear up one bit: initiatives that involve tax increases require a two-thirds supermajority, except for school bonds, which require 55%.


Uchiha_Cycliste: That's when passed by the legislature, right? Not when passed by voter initiative.


Right - it is my understanding that Voter Initiatives do not need a funding method - the text of the initiative is placed at the top of a petition, signatures are obtained, and the text of the initiative as it appears on the petitions is placed on the next ballot to be voted upon, regardless of any funding measures included or omitted. It is to the advantage of many activists to not include funding, since people are far less likely to be in favor of an initiative which raises their own taxes or cuts their own services, regardless of how positive the initiative might be.
 
2012-07-25 01:18:03 PM

HeartBurnKid: The problem is, Arpaio isn't half the man Dwyer was. He's more a "shooting rampage" kinda guy than a "martyr myself" kinda guy.


The other thing is that Dwyer was only 48 years old, and still had many years ahead of him to rot in prison for his misdeeds. While Joe Arpaio appears to be in good health, he is 80 years old, and any real punishment he would receive for his misdeeds would be relatively brief in the grand scheme of things, especially if he were sentenced to serve time in one of the fetid, stinking, overcrowded, disease-infested hell-holes he styles as "jails". Of course, he would likely get a minimum security prison rather than the treatment he deserves,but still, those places aren't exactly the Hilton, and he has done wrong to enough people that he would likely spend his days in protective custody, rather than be able to enjoy the recreation usually afforded prisoners at those sorts of places. I still can't see him lasting more than a few years away from the creature comforts he has come to enjoy and depend upon.
 
2012-07-25 02:25:26 PM

ox45tallboy: So any Arizona Farkers want to explain Sheriff Joe?


I'll try.

Arizona, much like the West, distrusts the Federal Government. It is an entity that is far away and has spent its time squabbling between North and South political and ideological lines. Out here, we can't pull off civilization without help- and early American settlers knew this. So there is both resentment and an open hand always for the Government from those descendants. Anytime some local politician gives the Federal Government the finger, they are beloved. Arizona is, for the recent past, represented by a lot of new people moving in. They don't know the history of the state and believe the state is an independent thing- like the state they came from. Over time, these people should being learning the history and dependencies on the Federal Government.

Sheriff Joe acts the tough guy- the John Wayne wild west type tough guy. And it resonates with people out here who want to think this place as rugged and independent. While it is the former, it isn't the latter.

Toss in the blue hair idiots who think all of American was white and Mexicans only recently began sneaking across the border and you can see a voter bloc emerge that supports him.
 
2012-07-25 02:33:36 PM

Godscrack: sillydragon: Quick n dirty..

That's not Arpaio.

Nice coloring tho.


Damn. Not my fault, he looks like an asshole and has a badge. Easy mistake. ;)
 
2012-07-25 02:50:13 PM

Nadie_AZ: I'll try.

Arizona, much like the West, distrusts the Federal Government. It is an entity that is far away and has spent its time squabbling between North and South political and ideological lines. Out here, we can't pull off civilization without help- and early American settlers knew this. So there is both resentment and an open hand always for the Government from those descendants. Anytime some local politician gives the Federal Government the finger, they are beloved. Arizona is, for the recent past, represented by a lot of new people moving in. They don't know the history of the state and believe the state is an independent thing- like the state they came from. Over time, these people should being learning the history and dependencies on the Federal Government.

Sheriff Joe acts the tough guy- the John Wayne wild west type tough guy. And it resonates with people out here who want to think this place as rugged and independent. While it is the former, it isn't the latter.

Toss in the blue hair idiots who think all of American was white and Mexicans only recently began sneaking across the border and you can see a voter bloc emerge that supports him.


I just don't see the appeal in the "Wild West" sort of mentality anymore. Hell, the Wild West wasn't even the romanticized Wild West, and I can't even see why someone would want to live in the romanticized version of it.

I think that deep down, there are some people whose only hope of self-validation is seeing themselves as "better than" someone else. Personally, I would want a leader who is attempting to bring people into the future, with new ideas of cooperation and advancing of all the people in general, rather than clinging to overly romanticized notions of the past. I guess I can understand where the people of Maricopa County wish for when they continue to re-elect the bastard, I just don't get why they can't see that this idealized image is not what Arpaio actually provides.
 
2012-07-25 02:54:18 PM

ox45tallboy: I just don't see the appeal in the "Wild West" sort of mentality anymore. Hell, the Wild West wasn't even the romanticized Wild West, and I can't even see why someone would want to live in the romanticized version of it.


Because life has become too easy, perhaps?

I think that deep down, there are some people whose only hope of self-validation is seeing themselves as "better than" someone else. Personally, I would want a leader who is attempting to bring people into the future, with new ideas of cooperation and advancing of all the people in general, rather than clinging to overly romanticized notions of the past. I guess I can understand where the people of Maricopa County wish for when they continue to re-elect the bastard, I just don't get why they can't see that this idealized image is not what Arpaio actually provides.

"Joe Arpaio. Tough Guy. I only support tough guys. He's got my vote."

*sigh*
 
2012-07-25 02:56:29 PM

Summer Glau's Love Slave: "Crucify him." ~ Thulsa Doom


"Cwucify him." ~ Pontius Pilate
 
2012-07-25 03:02:06 PM

vegasj: How about they are arrested for being here ILLEGALLY!


Because being in this country without proper documentation isn't a crime, no matter how much bigots and douchebags squawk about "ILLEGALZ OMFGBBQ!!1!!"
 
2012-07-25 03:10:01 PM

diaphoresis: I love Sheriff Joe. May he be re-elected and continue to give the DOJ 'the bird'.

[c325970.r70.cf1.rackcdn.com image 500x400]


Please explain why you believe the rape of underage girls is acceptable.
 
2012-07-25 03:57:11 PM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Because being in this country without proper documentation isn't a crime, no matter how much bigots and douchebags squawk about "ILLEGALZ OMFGBBQ!!1!!"


You might notice, It's the same group of people that take everything in the bible literally.
 
2012-07-25 04:41:44 PM
Seriously, this guy has too much power and he's abusing it.

"Sheriff Joe" should be removed from office.
 
2012-07-25 07:35:16 PM
Current fark banner add:
 
2012-07-25 09:32:05 PM

ox45tallboy: TheMysticS: They all settle to the bottom of the country. Like a snow globe.

I like how your posts show up in purple.


omg Fark love!
you're the 1st person to say I'm a favorite.
I've gotten 2 TF month sponsorships, but who knows if that color thang is going on.

Purple is me fave color, too, so
I'm in dork nirvana.

Farkvana?
 
2012-07-25 09:45:30 PM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Because being in this country without proper documentation isn't a crime, no matter how much bigots and douchebags squawk about "ILLEGALZ OMFGBBQ!!1!!"


really? I thought we had... you know... immigration laws.

 
2012-07-25 11:27:25 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: dickfreckle: Lorelle: I'm just as brown as the other Messicans.

*on my mother's side

I'm black.

*from the waist down.

Yeah, my penis can't hold a job either.

/Ducks


Prostitution's much easier here in NV.
 
2012-07-26 01:02:15 AM
You have Sheriff Joe, and Brewer as your governor, I'm just going to godwin this discussion right here and suggest this to be the new state flag for Arizona...

images.wikia.com

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I feel that this may represent views too socially progressive and supportive of civil rights for the majority of Arizona residents.
 
2012-07-26 03:24:20 AM

MisterTweak: NewportBarGuy: Goodbye, Joe. You're done here.

I don't think he's done yet. He could come out and say "I'm a racist. I hate non-white people, and I will use the power of my office to arrest non-white people until they leave the state", and you would still be able to hear the quietest cricket chirping over the demands of affluent residents demanding his removal.

Civil rights rarely win popularity contests.


Too bad he's on trial where popularity doesn't count.

[cheerfully]

He's so f*cked!
 
2012-07-26 09:56:49 AM

vegasj: really?


yes, really.

I thought we had... you know... immigration laws.

No, you didn't think. Or check. You simply got your opinion straight out of the mouth of Rush. Or Hannity. or your local wingnut preacher. Or a racist relative. Because if you had thought to check, you too would have been aware of the simple fact that while we have lots of immigration laws, being in this country without proper authorization (or documentation) is not a crime
 
2012-07-26 10:32:00 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: LibertyHiller: ox45tallboy: Uchiha_Cycliste: Not as such, AFAIK all ballot initiatives simply need to pass with majorities. The problem is getting enough people to vote yes on more taxes, Its much easier to her them to vote on more spending. Last election there was a ballot initiative to change the taxing majority in congress to be downgraded to a simple majority (like spending) but I don't believe it passed; short sighted idiots I for one voted yes on it. Of coutse

Well, that's what I meant. By gathering enough signatures in support of an idea, no matter how oddball, Californians can vote on proposed legislation, including legislation requiring spending, via a "Ballot Initiative" - even if the proposed law contains no method of funding (tax increase or spending cut elsewhere). If passed by simple majority vote, these initiatives become law and the Legislature must figure out a way to pay for them. It seems great when you're first presented with the idea, but in practice, it turns out to be a rather silly way to run a state government.

As UC mentioned, it seems that successful spending initiatives are more likely to have a funding plan attached. But just to clear up one bit: initiatives that involve tax increases require a two-thirds supermajority, except for school bonds, which require 55%.

That's when passed by the legislature, right? Not when passed by voter initiative.


I'm recall that when we in SF voted to raise the sales tax to keep MUNI afloat, it had to pass by two-thirds; I know we need a two-thirds vote for transportation and hospital bond issues.

ox45tallboy: LibertyHiller: As UC mentioned, it seems that successful spending initiatives are more likely to have a funding plan attached. But just to clear up one bit: initiatives that involve tax increases require a two-thirds supermajority, except for school bonds, which require 55%.

Uchiha_Cycliste: That's when passed by the legislature, right? Not when passed by voter initiative.

Right - it is my understanding that Voter Initiatives do not need a funding method - the text of the initiative is placed at the top of a petition, signatures are obtained, and the text of the initiative as it appears on the petitions is placed on the next ballot to be voted upon, regardless of any funding measures included or omitted. It is to the advantage of many activists to not include funding, since people are far less likely to be in favor of an initiative which raises their own taxes or cuts their own services, regardless of how positive the initiative might be.


They don't need to specify the funding as a matter of law, but as a matter of practical politics, identifying the funding source can help sway uncommitted voters.
 
2012-07-26 10:56:02 AM

LibertyHiller: Uchiha_Cycliste: That's when passed by the legislature, right? Not when passed by voter initiative.

Right - it is my understanding that Voter Initiatives do not need a funding method - the text of the initiative is placed at the top of a petition, signatures are obtained, and the text of the initiative as it appears on the petitions is placed on the next ballot to be voted upon, regardless of any funding measures included or omitted. It is to the advantage of many activists to not include funding, since people are far less likely to be in favor of an initiative which raises their own taxes or cuts their own services, regardless of how positive the initiative might be.

They don't need to specify the funding as a matter of law, but as a matter of practical politics, identifying the funding source can help sway uncommitted voters.


Yeah, that is exactly what I meant. You were able to express that sentiment more explicitly though, nice.
 
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