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2012-07-25 02:08:37 AM

Alphax: So why does he have a job? Do his superiors fear him or something?


No, he keeps getting elected by a bunch of racist f*cks that positively love the fact is he is openly racist, so they don't have to be.

And he doesn't have superiors.

immigrationimpact.com
"I AM THE LAW!"
 
2012-07-25 02:11:11 AM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-25 02:12:16 AM

dickfreckle: Just wanted to say I thoroughly enjoyed the epic Norquist/Bachmann thread.


I'm glad you did. I've gotten accused of "monopolizing the thread" in the past, so I tried picking one that wasn't green this time and left it up to the mods. I'll try doing the same again in the future; I don't want to interfere with the otherwise civil discourse we enjoy here.
 
2012-07-25 02:18:35 AM
May he find misfortune wherever he goes. I wouldn't piss on Sheriff Joe to put out a fire.

...and when he does eventually kick the bucket and go to his final rest, may the souls of the damned carry him home to Hell.
 
2012-07-25 02:23:06 AM

Lorelle: Nadie_AZ: Arpaio was forced by Young to back off from a couple of statements in the book, including one in which he wrote that Mexicans don't come to the United States with the same hopes and dreams as people from other countries.. In another part of the book, Young pointed out, Arpaio wrote that second- and third-generation Mexican-Americans were not part of the American "mainstream."

Wait a minute...you mean to tell me that when I drove through AZ a few months ago, I had no reason to be afraid of being harassed for being brown, because Arpaio and his goons would instantly know that I'm 4th gen*?!?

I'm just as brown as the other Messicans.

*on my mother's side


You're family has been here longer than mine (I'm 2nd gen) but I'm white and any folks in my family with accents have suppressed them or passed on so I don't have anything to worry about. That kind of sucks.

ongbok: Alphax: So why does he have a job? Do his superiors fear him or something?

Because the racist in his district keep electing him sheriff.


My SO's snowbird Fox News watching grandparents totally did. Sigh. I've gotten pretty good at acknowledging and ignoring when that sort of thing comes up...
 
2012-07-25 02:33:25 AM

ox45tallboy: FTFFoxA:"He banned Playboy and sexually explicit magazines and got rid of all entertainment TV programming other than news and the Disney Channel."

I can just see the inmate fights now.

"Mother F*cker, you better shut your goddamned mouth while iCarly is on!"
"It's a f*ckin' rerun! we just saw this episode on Saturday!"
"I don't give a f*ck, it's the one with spaghetti tacos! I like this episode!"
"F*ck spaghetti tacos!"
"No, f*ck you!"

/fight ensues


Um, actually, that's Nickelodeon.
 
2012-07-25 02:35:04 AM
I mean, realistically?

This guy should be forced into early retirement--without a pension.
 
2012-07-25 02:39:19 AM
TFA: "The fact that that type of work doesn't require any type of uhm you don't have to show an id, uhm, it would be easier, that type of work would be easier for uhm a person in this country illegally to uhm get because they wouldn't have the proper paperwork for other types of employment."


As one of the liberal media elite, I have to point out that no actual journalist prints vocalized pauses (uhm). Though I think everyone knows that. I have to assume they did it here to make him sound stupid.
 
2012-07-25 02:40:44 AM

BMulligan: Um, actually, that's Nickelodeon.


I'm actually proud to not have known that. YMMV.
 
2012-07-25 02:42:18 AM
Brooooowwwwwwwn peeeeeooooppppplllllllleeeeeeee suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
 
2012-07-25 02:45:07 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-25 02:45:28 AM

ox45tallboy: BMulligan: Um, actually, that's Nickelodeon.

I'm actually proud to not have known that. YMMV.


You'll notice I used the small type, signifying shame.
 
2012-07-25 02:45:58 AM

LiberalWeenie: As one of the liberal media elite, I have to point out that no actual journalist prints vocalized pauses (uhm). Though I think everyone knows that. I have to assume they did it here to make him sound stupid.


And who the hell spells it "umh"? Whatever happened to "um"?

Here's an interesting thread regarding a court reporter deciding whether or not to include "um"s in the Court transcript.

/btw, my Firefox spellcheck underlines "umh" but not "um". Of course, it also underlines "spellcheck", so...
 
2012-07-25 02:47:26 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: [i.imgur.com image 327x284]


Who exactly do they wish to "Take Our Country Back" from?
 
2012-07-25 02:48:08 AM

Alphax: So why does he have a job? Do his superiors fear him or something?


Because blue haired timid mice in Minnesota get to vote s long as they spend either 3 or 4 months a year in the state. This means that all of the Snowbirds who hear about the big scary city and Joe's "crusade" think he's doing a good job because when they truck into Mesa in their Winnebagos, they don't get mugged at the border. Of course they're too stupid to understand how a big city works, or they would know that one part of town can be a hellhole with daily shootings, while others are pure old fart nirvana.

Trust me, despite Joe's "crusade", there were still gunshots nightly in the neighborhoods I lived in.

And let's ask the residents of El Mirage how good of a job he's doing. Since he's not racist, I'm sure his department was right on top of those 400+ sex crimes that were reported, amirite?
 
2012-07-25 02:50:39 AM

ox45tallboy: Sock Ruh Tease: [i.imgur.com image 327x284]

Who exactly do they wish to "Take Our Country Back" from?


The two thirds of Americans that aren't functionally retarded.
 
2012-07-25 02:53:06 AM

Mikey1969: Alphax: So why does he have a job? Do his superiors fear him or something?

Because blue haired timid mice in Minnesota get to vote s long as they spend either 3 or 4 months a year in the state. This means that all of the Snowbirds who hear about the big scary city and Joe's "crusade" think he's doing a good job because when they truck into Mesa in their Winnebagos, they don't get mugged at the border. Of course they're too stupid to understand how a big city works, or they would know that one part of town can be a hellhole with daily shootings, while others are pure old fart nirvana.

Trust me, despite Joe's "crusade", there were still gunshots nightly in the neighborhoods I lived in.

And let's ask the residents of El Mirage how good of a job he's doing. Since he's not racist, I'm sure his department was right on top of those 400+ sex crimes that were reported, amirite?


What is "fark no," Alex?
 
2012-07-25 02:53:18 AM

ox45tallboy: Sock Ruh Tease: [i.imgur.com image 327x284]

Who exactly do they wish to "Take Our Country Back" from?


You know who.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-25 02:58:08 AM

SN1987a goes boom: The two thirds of Americans that aren't functionally retarded.


You're a bit optimistic, aren't you? I mean, I hope it's that high, but I'm currently at my sister's house in Alabama, two counties away from the "Christian Cross Lighting Ceremony" a couple of weeks ago. I can't say I've encountered that good of a percentage lately.
 
2012-07-25 03:00:26 AM

Bloody William: Am I the only one who wouldn't mind seeing Joe Arpaio taking the Budd Dwyer retirement plan?


I'm more in favor of him being enrolled in the Jeffrey Dahmer early-release program.

periodictable.com
 
2012-07-25 03:01:34 AM
It's like the GOP scoured the country for a real-life version of Dirty Lyle from "Convoy" and made him a farking celebrity.
 
2012-07-25 03:01:43 AM

ox45tallboy: SN1987a goes boom: The two thirds of Americans that aren't functionally retarded.

You're a bit optimistic, aren't you? I mean, I hope it's that high, but I'm currently at my sister's house in Alabama, two counties away from the "Christian Cross Lighting Ceremony" a couple of weeks ago. I can't say I've encountered that good of a percentage lately.


I hope that's not a euphamism for a cross burning..
 
2012-07-25 03:06:08 AM
"Crucify him." ~ Thulsa Doom
 
2012-07-25 03:06:28 AM

Alphax: ox45tallboy: SN1987a goes boom: The two thirds of Americans that aren't functionally retarded.

You're a bit optimistic, aren't you? I mean, I hope it's that high, but I'm currently at my sister's house in Alabama, two counties away from the "Christian Cross Lighting Ceremony" a couple of weeks ago. I can't say I've encountered that good of a percentage lately.

I hope that's not a euphamism for a cross burning..


Sorry to shatter that hope of yours, but yes.

The KKK website has a very long excuse about it here, but if you prefer not to go to the KKK website, it can be summarized thusly: "The lamestream MSM media calls our cross lightings cross burnings, because they like blacks and Jews - but really, the fire represents cleansing the land of evil. No, really, 'evil', you know what we mean by that right, wink wink nudge nudge. Stop looking at us like that!"
 
2012-07-25 03:15:50 AM

ox45tallboy: Benni K Rok: Wait a second here... Fox's headline sounds more neutral than the AZ central one.

Fox's article actually sounds like the potential for violations of the Eighth. Not the pink part, or the only Disney channel parts, but the combination of overcrowding and no porn make for a dangerous combination.

FTFFoxA:"He banned Playboy and sexually explicit magazines and got rid of all entertainment TV programming other than news and the Disney Channel."

I can just see the inmate fights now.

"Mother F*cker, you better shut your goddamned mouth while iCarly is on!"
"It's a f*ckin' rerun! we just saw this episode on Saturday!"
"I don't give a f*ck, it's the one with spaghetti tacos! I like this episode!"
"F*ck spaghetti tacos!"
"No, f*ck you!"

/fight ensues


close, when they took the TV out of tent city it was because of fights between watching soccer and anything else
 
2012-07-25 03:21:43 AM

Alphax: I hope that's not a euphamism for a cross burning..


Made the main page of Fark July 5.

AL Pastor who organized "Whites only Christian conference" says the highlight of his event is not a horribly racist cross burning, but merely a tradtional sacred Christian "cross lighting" ceremony

But hey, at least these guys hate all minorities equally, not just the Messicans. They're equal opportunity bigots.
 
2012-07-25 03:23:41 AM

fark'emfeed'emfish: close, when they took the TV out of tent city it was because of fights between watching soccer and anything else


Jeez, I would probably start a fight if forced to watch a soccer game, if only so something would actually happen.
 
2012-07-25 03:32:25 AM
There's a good documentary about what's been going on in Arizona, free to watch on Youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMfYNqJgO8Y

/Not a Rick Roll
 
2012-07-25 03:38:20 AM

ox45tallboy: Alphax: I hope that's not a euphamism for a cross burning..

Made the main page of Fark July 5.

AL Pastor who organized "Whites only Christian conference" says the highlight of his event is not a horribly racist cross burning, but merely a tradtional sacred Christian "cross lighting" ceremony

But hey, at least these guys hate all minorities equally, not just the Messicans. They're equal opportunity bigots.


I miss a lot of Main Page stuff. Mostly look at Politics and Entertainment.
 
2012-07-25 03:42:50 AM
<i>Arpaio consistently deflected Young's questions about the impact questionable constituent letters have on the sheriff's immigration sweeps. Arpaio repeatedly said he delegates those decisions.

Similarly, Arpaio said some of the questionable material in his autobiography was written by a co-author, leaving the sheriff unable to explain some of his own statements.</i>

So Sheriff Joe isn't a racist asshole he just works with them?

I wish the ACLU well with this stuff but in truth I agree with an earlier poster that Joe has way nastier skeletons in his closet in the form of his abuse of office to silence political opponents.

Either way this guy's comeuppance cannot come too soon.
 
2012-07-25 03:48:41 AM

ox45tallboy: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: He's not a racist! He just judges people based on the color of their skin, and deems certain colors worth a bit more judging than others.

It's totally different!

So what do you think about the current culture of "anti-illegal-immigration" as a form of "socially acceptable" racism? It seems that the highest proportion of anti-immigration sentiment is in historically racist areas such as Alabama, Georgia, and Texas, even though California has just as many, if not more "illegal" immigrants.


A few thoughts about California. First off, we have a long proud (sigh) history of hating on the Mexicans. In fact, our acts of overt racism go back much farther than California's inductance into the union. Back in the day, we decided to just outright steal land (the rancheros) from the Mexicans and Mestizo (mixed Mexican and native american (or white) who had been living here since forever. The deal was that a white man could bring a sheriff out to a property and say, this is mine. Consequently when the rightful owner couldn't produce a deed proclaiming his ownership of the ranchero, the sheriff would evict the non-white tenant and hand over the land, house and everything else to the white guy making the claim. He'd make him a deed too. It was an emmence period of land snatching and transference of wealth from the non-white residents to the white new-comers.1
However, how we treated the Mexicans back in the day can't even hold a candle to how we treated the Chinese in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. We imported them and enslaved them to build the trans-continental railroads and THEN prevented them from bringing over their families and friends via the Chinese exclusion act of 1882. This act was one of the most significant restrictions of free immigration on our history and wasn't repealed until ninteen farking fourty three. In the interim it was essentially legal to treat the Chinese however horrifically as you wanted because they were yellow. Beatings, slavery, wage-rape, it was all fair game and they had no legal recourse. Essentially just to survive they huddled into ethnic ghettos (and I'm using this term in the old-timey way meaning ethnic enclaves where folks came together for their own survival, not in the more modern way meaning an area of depressed socio-economic prospect)

My point being that The Mexicans have had it bad in California, and for a very long time, but the Chinese had it worse. California has a very nasty history as far as treating non-whites goes.

I'd also like to point out that their is no exaggeration, nor outright bullshiattery in what I'm saying. I'm just stating sad, historical, sociological truths. =(

1 read Thomas Almaguer's Racial Fault lines for more information.

ox45tallboy: ; I don't want to interfere with the otherwise civil discourse we enjoy here.



We have *WHAT* now? =P Since when?
 
2012-07-25 03:52:11 AM

ox45tallboy: I recently re-watched this movie a month or so ago, and I think it holds up extremely well, especially in the current climate of looking down on brown people being a "socially acceptable" racism.


It's one of my favorite movies, mainly because I relate too well to Rudy. I love the scene in which he teaches the immigrants how to act like Este Los homies. :)

StreetlightInTheGhetto: You're family has been here longer than mine (I'm 2nd gen) but I'm white and any folks in my family with accents have suppressed them or passed on so I don't have anything to worry about. That kind of sucks.


Same goes for my family. We have the reverse problem: most of us are brown, speak very little or no Spanish, and occasionally have to deal with shiat from down-home Messicans who call us pochos or coconuts (like Rudy in Born In East L.A.), and from non-Messicans who think we know Spanish but pretend not to speak it because we're ashamed of it. I have a slight Valley Girl accent, and my formal Spanish sucks. That doesn't matter to people like Arpaio, though, because all they see is a brown person who might be here illegally.

I spent one night in Willcox, AZ back in April. In the morning I went to the local Safeway, and never saw so many white-bearded men in one place in all my life. Didn't see a single brown person in the store, either. I asked Checkout Dude (a middle-aged white guy) for directions to a local museum, and I could tell that he was surprised that I didn't have a Spanish accent. Dude actually took the time to draw a little map for me, which I appreciated.

It's a beautiful state, and despite feeling somewhat uncomfortable while traveling through it, I would love to visit it again, especially the San Carlos Apache reservation, where my paternal grandmother was born back when AZ was still a territory.
 
2012-07-25 03:56:11 AM
On a related note, thank Biki (the bike god) that Gato-negro and every other incarnation of animal-color is gone.
It's a much nicer place with out him, granted he's probably still here as someone else. But that guy sucked.

\So did Winterwhile
\\Gary could be amusing at times.
\\\Phil sucked.
\\\\Praise Biki!
 
2012-07-25 03:59:34 AM

Mikey1969: Alphax: So why does he have a job? Do his superiors fear him or something?

Because blue haired timid mice in Minnesota get to vote s long as they spend either 3 or 4 months a year in the state. This means that all of the Snowbirds who hear about the big scary city and Joe's "crusade" think he's doing a good job because when they truck into Mesa in their Winnebagos, they don't get mugged at the border. Of course they're too stupid to understand how a big city works, or they would know that one part of town can be a hellhole with daily shootings, while others are pure old fart nirvana.

Trust me, despite Joe's "crusade", there were still gunshots nightly in the neighborhoods I lived in.

And let's ask the residents of El Mirage how good of a job he's doing. Since he's not racist, I'm sure his department was right on top of those 400+ sex crimes that were reported, amirite?


They also don't understand that he's made crime *worse* and costed them a boatload of money while he was at it. If, god forbid, they actually looked at numbers instead of listening to slick, lying speeches they'd kick his ass to the curb in a heartbeat. But if the way my dad votes is any indication, that will never happen.
 
2012-07-25 04:09:20 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: My point being that The Mexicans have had it bad in California, and for a very long time, but the Chinese had it worse. California has a very nasty history as far as treating non-whites goes.


I don't disagree with your premise at all; the history of California (as well as much of America) has definitely been one of racism and xenophobia (not to be confused with Xenuphobia, the fear of Scientologists). But wouldn't you say that California is now one of the most accepting states in the country, the recent vote on Prop 8 notwithstanding (it was far, far closer of a vote than other states passing similar legislation or Constitutional Amendments). I'm sure much of it could be attributed to California's increasing ethnic diversity, in which there is no longer an ethnic majority at all, but I've known plenty of racist bigots who are in the ethnic minority of their area.

I guess what I'm saying is that California nowadays seems far less racist on the whole than many other states (although undoubtedly some enclaves exist, just as anywhere else). Do you think that it is inherent to the actual diversity there (fewer ethnic majority = fewer racists) or because the white folk ain't all that racist no more? Or is my perception skewed from being in the South for too long? (Although honestly, I've never seen racism in the South to the point I saw it in Salt Lake City, Utah - F*ck Mormons).

And do you see the anti-Hispanic racism evident in the South to be prevalent in the same areas, with the same people, as the anti-Black racism of 50 years ago? (and in some cases, yesterday, only it seems people are nowadays much more vocal about anti-Hispanic sentiment than anti-Black sentiment.)
 
2012-07-25 04:11:08 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: They also don't understand that he's made crime *worse* and costed them a boatload of money while he was at it. If, god forbid, they actually looked at numbers instead of listening to slick, lying speeches they'd kick his ass to the curb in a heartbeat. But if the way my dad votes is any indication, that will never happen.


To them, it's worth every dime to see the brown people get put in their place.
 
2012-07-25 04:12:42 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: nd costed them a boatload of money while he was at it.



The actions of Thomas and Arpaio against the Board of Supervisors, judges and others have cost county taxpayers at least $10.6 million, mostly in legal bills, according to a Republic analysis. A legal settlement reportedly imminent with Supervisor Mary Rose Wilcox, who was targeted by some of their activities, could raise that figure by $1 million, The Republic has learned. - link


and that's just the cost of the 'arrest your political opponents' boss hogg impersonation.
 
2012-07-25 04:15:53 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: ox45tallboy: ; I don't want to interfere with the otherwise civil discourse we enjoy here.


We have *WHAT* now? =P Since when?


All snark aside, I have yet to see a website in which one's ideas are open to rational debate as much as I have on Fark. While there seems to be a consensus of Left-wing Libertarianism across the plurality of regular posters, all viewpoints are welcome as long as they can be rationally justified. And

( . )( . ) bewbz.
 
2012-07-25 04:20:04 AM

ox45tallboy: Uchiha_Cycliste: ox45tallboy: ; I don't want to interfere with the otherwise civil discourse we enjoy here.


We have *WHAT* now? =P Since when?

All snark aside, I have yet to see a website in which one's ideas are open to rational debate as much as I have on Fark. While there seems to be a consensus of Left-wing Libertarianism across the plurality of regular posters, all viewpoints are welcome as long as they can be rationally justified. And

( . )( . ) bewbz.


All right, I'll de-snark grant you all that. And some boobs too.
www.igeekgaming.com
 
2012-07-25 04:30:37 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: Mikey1969: Alphax: So why does he have a job? Do his superiors fear him or something?

Because blue haired timid mice in Minnesota get to vote s long as they spend either 3 or 4 months a year in the state. This means that all of the Snowbirds who hear about the big scary city and Joe's "crusade" think he's doing a good job because when they truck into Mesa in their Winnebagos, they don't get mugged at the border. Of course they're too stupid to understand how a big city works, or they would know that one part of town can be a hellhole with daily shootings, while others are pure old fart nirvana.

Trust me, despite Joe's "crusade", there were still gunshots nightly in the neighborhoods I lived in.

And let's ask the residents of El Mirage how good of a job he's doing. Since he's not racist, I'm sure his department was right on top of those 400+ sex crimes that were reported, amirite?

They also don't understand that he's made crime *worse* and costed them a boatload of money while he was at it. If, god forbid, they actually looked at numbers instead of listening to slick, lying speeches they'd kick his ass to the curb in a heartbeat. But if the way my dad votes is any indication, that will never happen.


I would disown my parents if they voted for someone like Arpaio. That's the line. I'll respect your right to vote for whomever you wish to vote for so long as it isn't someone as overtly racist as Arpaio. Voting for someone like that, who is a fascist to boot, is just like voting for an actual member of the Nazi party. You can't say you didn't know.

/good thing my family is all liberal.
//except my gun nut, single-issue voter brother.
///he didn't realize that the Democrats won't start cracking down on guns, no matter what a certain Congressional minority leader's personal opinions are.
////just like the Democrats would never actually try to sell Texas, Oklahoma and Arizona back to Mexico, no matter how much they would probably like to...
 
2012-07-25 04:38:42 AM

twat_waffle: Uchiha_Cycliste: Mikey1969: Alphax: So why does he have a job? Do his superiors fear him or something?

Because blue haired timid mice in Minnesota get to vote s long as they spend either 3 or 4 months a year in the state. This means that all of the Snowbirds who hear about the big scary city and Joe's "crusade" think he's doing a good job because when they truck into Mesa in their Winnebagos, they don't get mugged at the border. Of course they're too stupid to understand how a big city works, or they would know that one part of town can be a hellhole with daily shootings, while others are pure old fart nirvana.

Trust me, despite Joe's "crusade", there were still gunshots nightly in the neighborhoods I lived in.

And let's ask the residents of El Mirage how good of a job he's doing. Since he's not racist, I'm sure his department was right on top of those 400+ sex crimes that were reported, amirite?

They also don't understand that he's made crime *worse* and costed them a boatload of money while he was at it. If, god forbid, they actually looked at numbers instead of listening to slick, lying speeches they'd kick his ass to the curb in a heartbeat. But if the way my dad votes is any indication, that will never happen.

I would disown my parents if they voted for someone like Arpaio. That's the line. I'll respect your right to vote for whomever you wish to vote for so long as it isn't someone as overtly racist as Arpaio. Voting for someone like that, who is a fascist to boot, is just like voting for an actual member of the Nazi party. You can't say you didn't know.

/good thing my family is all liberal.
//except my gun nut, single-issue voter brother.
///he didn't realize that the Democrats won't start cracking down on guns, no matter what a certain Congressional minority leader's personal opinions are.
////just like the Democrats would never actually try to sell Texas, Oklahoma and Arizona back to Mexico, no matter how much they would probably like to...


Oklahoma should probably be given back to the Indians. Even though I hate to think why they would want that tornado bait hellhole.
 
2012-07-25 04:43:09 AM

ox45tallboy: Uchiha_Cycliste: My point being that The Mexicans have had it bad in California, and for a very long time, but the Chinese had it worse. California has a very nasty history as far as treating non-whites goes.

I don't disagree with your premise at all; the history of California (as well as much of America) has definitely been one of racism and xenophobia (not to be confused with Xenuphobia, the fear of Scientologists). But wouldn't you say that California is now one of the most accepting states in the country, the recent vote on Prop 8 notwithstanding (it was far, far closer of a vote than other states passing similar legislation or Constitutional Amendments). I'm sure much of it could be attributed to California's increasing ethnic diversity, in which there is no longer an ethnic majority at all, but I've known plenty of racist bigots who are in the ethnic minority of their area.

I guess what I'm saying is that California nowadays seems far less racist on the whole than many other states (although undoubtedly some enclaves exist, just as anywhere else). Do you think that it is inherent to the actual diversity there (fewer ethnic majority = fewer racists) or because the white folk ain't all that racist no more? Or is my perception skewed from being in the South for too long? (Although honestly, I've never seen racism in the South to the point I saw it in Salt Lake City, Utah - F*ck Mormons).

And do you see the anti-Hispanic racism evident in the South to be prevalent in the same areas, with the same people, as the anti-Black racism of 50 years ago? (and in some cases, yesterday, only it seems people are nowadays much more vocal about anti-Hispanic sentiment than anti-Black sentiment.)


I think it's quit fallacious to think of California as one monolithic population. I feel it's quite rightly divided into the south, north coast, central (N/S) and central (valley) and those areas are all vastly different. I feel the North and central/north (bay area) are MUCH more tolerant, accepting, diverse and all around nicer (personality wise). However, the central valley is nothing like the bay area, it's solidly red (politically) and has much more of a feel of the southern states as far as tolerance and racism go. Where there is crime and drugs, somehow it's all blamed on blacks and Mexicans (whether residential brown people, or those from south of the border).
Now coastal Southern California is interesting. It's purple politically, but there is heavy racism there, though it's not as overt as it is in the South. The racism while only whispered in public they are reinforced by entire pan-flutes of dog whistles that can be heard frequently.

Behind closed doors* the Republican minorities there are very vocal about their disdain of Mexicans. They are said to be lazy, dirty, un-american, leeches of society who simply drop anchor-babies and live off of welfare; stealing money from tax payers so that they can livve lives of lazy ill-gotten luxury. They frequently make statements comparing and contrasting the Asian model minority myth to the Mexicans and proclaiming that Mexicans are poor because they are lazy, stupid and simply don't even try. They earnestly believe that Mexicans have all the same opportunities as everyone else and their inability to achieve socio-economic upward mobility is simply because they don't even try. They will constantly repeat the talking points of the day, and toe the GOP line all the while expressing disdain for Fox News and claiming that they are politically independents and that their views are their own, cultivated through what they witness, and never related to what the GOP says. Their is absolutely no sense of community and an outright bizarre belief that any area that isn'y 90% rich and white is dangerous and riddled with crime.

Part of this stems from a heavy population of Post WWII armed forces service members who settled in CA back in teh 60s and 70s and past on their world view whole-sale to their children. Who never took it upon themselves to question the lies they were raised to believe, regardless of any UC education they may have received. Even the engineers. This familial continuation of subtle racism has even made it's way from not only my grandparents to my father and aunts and uncles, but even to some of my cousins; who again were UC educated engineers.

It's extremely frustrating. And while I have to grant you that the racism is no where nearly as overt as it is in Texas, Arizona and the deep south. Central CA and So-cal are no where near as tolerant of non-whites as common-sense and popular culture would have you believe.

Wow, I rambled much more than I intended... sorry.

\*my father and uncles are all So-cal Republicans. I get to hear a lot that I'd rather not hear, much less believe that my relatives are saying.
 
2012-07-25 04:46:54 AM

twat_waffle: Uchiha_Cycliste: Mikey1969: Alphax: So why does he have a job? Do his superiors fear him or something?

Because blue haired timid mice in Minnesota get to vote s long as they spend either 3 or 4 months a year in the state. This means that all of the Snowbirds who hear about the big scary city and Joe's "crusade" think he's doing a good job because when they truck into Mesa in their Winnebagos, they don't get mugged at the border. Of course they're too stupid to understand how a big city works, or they would know that one part of town can be a hellhole with daily shootings, while others are pure old fart nirvana.

Trust me, despite Joe's "crusade", there were still gunshots nightly in the neighborhoods I lived in.

And let's ask the residents of El Mirage how good of a job he's doing. Since he's not racist, I'm sure his department was right on top of those 400+ sex crimes that were reported, amirite?

They also don't understand that he's made crime *worse* and costed them a boatload of money while he was at it. If, god forbid, they actually looked at numbers instead of listening to slick, lying speeches they'd kick his ass to the curb in a heartbeat. But if the way my dad votes is any indication, that will never happen.

I would disown my parents if they voted for someone like Arpaio. That's the line. I'll respect your right to vote for whomever you wish to vote for so long as it isn't someone as overtly racist as Arpaio. Voting for someone like that, who is a fascist to boot, is just like voting for an actual member of the Nazi party. You can't say you didn't know.

/good thing my family is all liberal.
//except my gun nut, single-issue voter brother.
///he didn't realize that the Democrats won't start cracking down on guns, no matter what a certain Congressional minority leader's personal opinions are.
////just like the Democrats would never actually try to sell Texas, Oklahoma and Arizona back to Mexico, no matter how much they would probably like to...


My dad is a software engineer, educated at UCI. A VERY smart man, in many ways. Besides his salaried employment, he also owns his own business as a SW/FW sensor consultant/contractor. He is also a "Independent" (read GOP), still a Catholic, and would have voted for George W Bush for a third term. He HATES Obama, and is terrified of Obama being assassinated, not because of how horrible that act would be, but because he believes that his assassination would martyr him the same way he says JFK was, and that the man doesn't deserve that sort of long term reverence, respect or legacy.

It's absolutely disgusting.
 
2012-07-25 04:48:47 AM
Hey guys, after I finish my cigarette, I need to try to get to bed (as I must wake up in 4 hours to get to work around 7). I very much want to continue this conversation tomorrow, but if and when I go silent, be aware that I'm not running away, I'm merely trying to sleep.
 
2012-07-25 04:52:34 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: Hey guys, after I finish my cigarette, I need to try to get to bed (as I must wake up in 4 hours to get to work around 7). I very much want to continue this conversation tomorrow, but if and when I go silent, be aware that I'm not running away, I'm merely trying to sleep.


Good luck with that.. this is my first night back on the 3rd shift, after a week of vacation.. I got about 3 hours sleep in the late afternoon..
 
2012-07-25 04:53:29 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: Wow, I rambled much more than I intended... sorry.


No, I think you expressed a good sentiment - it's dangerous to lump people together in one's thinking, especially in a state as diverse as California. (Why do they seem to love Republican Governors but Democratic Presidents?)

I always like to hear the thoughts of those with more direct experience than I myself possess, especially if those thoughts conflict with my own preconceived notions.

So any Arizona Farkers want to explain Sheriff Joe?
 
2012-07-25 04:56:50 AM
My mom though, she's awesome and always has been. I'm certain that part of it was her pitiful upbringing and essentially raising herself. Part of it was her tenure at LA High School, when back in the day she was one of only a hand full of white kids in her high school. Finally, much of her understanding and tolerance stems from her first marriage to a Japanese man, and subsequently raising her half Japanese son (my much older half brother). With respect to these topics and themes that we are discussing She is almost the polar opposite of my father.

In my youth I was very obviously becoming my father's son. But I realized his influences were downright hateful, if not outright fraudulent when I started taking a number of Sociology classes at Berkeley that revolved around racial relations in the US - Crime, control and deviance - and race and ethnicity. Upon realizing that all of the lessons of my youth were built upon a shaky foundation I spent years working at not being like my dad. And though we butt heads quite a bit these days, I can hold my head high knowing that I am much like my mom, and very little like my dad.
 
2012-07-25 04:59:44 AM
I always like to read the name of a personal friend on the byline of an article coming down on Sheriff Joe. Makes me proud.
 
2012-07-25 05:00:00 AM

ox45tallboy:

So any Arizona Farkers want to explain Sheriff Joe?


He drives really slow in the ultra-fast lane,
While people behind me are going insane.
He's an asshole (He's an asshole, what an asshole)
He's an asshole (He's an asshole, such an asshole)

He uses public toilets and piss on the seat,
He walks around in the summertime saying "How about this heat?"
He's an asshole (He's an asshole, what an asshole)
He's an asshole (He's the world's biggest asshole)

Sometimes He parks in handicapped spaces,
While handicapped people make handicapped faces.
He's an asshole (He's an asshole, what an asshole)
He's an asshole (He's a real farking asshole)
 
2012-07-25 05:05:14 AM

ox45tallboy: Uchiha_Cycliste: Wow, I rambled much more than I intended... sorry.

No, I think you expressed a good sentiment - it's dangerous to lump people together in one's thinking, especially in a state as diverse as California. (Why do they seem to love Republican Governors but Democratic Presidents?)

I always like to hear the thoughts of those with more direct experience than I myself possess, especially if those thoughts conflict with my own preconceived notions.

So any Arizona Farkers want to explain Sheriff Joe?


It's not always Republican Governors, remember Gray Davis? Boy howdy did we get burned on that one. But the real political problems in CA stem from a congress that absolutely refuses to work together for the greater good of the state. Every congressman has their own tiny fiefdom, and only cares about catering to their district. They will do whatever it takes to make sure their constituents are happy in order to ensure re-election and when the R's and D;s don't see eye to eye they absolutely, positively refuse to cooperate and negotiate. At every turn, at every vote and for every action all they care about is looking good to their district This causes enormous gridlock. In addition, they can pass acts that cost money with a simple majority, but in order to raise revenues they need a super majority, so it's pretty commonplace to vote for expenses with out being able to pass acts for the corresponding revenues. it's farked up yo.
 
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