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2012-07-25 09:26:45 AM

untaken_name: A Fark Handle: /why are the woods so scary in your eyes?

I presume it's because of the increased privacy and lack of unrelated bystanders. Do you really believe that a school group staying in a hotel and a group of campers in the woods is typically equivalent? I mean, I'm not on the BSA's side here, but even I can see the difference.


The hotel has locking doors and some degree of soundproofing.
 
2012-07-25 09:33:37 AM

farkityfarker: The official policy of the BSA is that being gay or being atheist (or both) is dishonorable.

Even the US military no longer officially has that policy.


Exactly. My family was involved with scouts beginning in the 1930s. Four generations of us bailed, a National Council member, Assistant Scoutmasters, camp counselors, and Cub Scouts, all resigned when the new national policies were put in place. Those policies made it clear that our family, which included gays and, gasp, Unitarians, was not welcome.

One of the reasons that Mrs. Gough and I are still involved in Girl Scouts is that they have no such policies.
 
2012-07-25 09:37:27 AM
Good for those who returned their medals.
 
2012-07-25 09:38:15 AM

uatuba: I'm an Eagle Scout, and I'll return my medal and patch if and when the BSA ever decides to forgo its principles as a private, voluntary organization in favor of political correctness based on choices made by a particular group of people.


1) It's a public organization partially funded by federal tax dollars.
2) It sounds like you're describing the political correctness the Mormons are dictating to the organization.
 
2012-07-25 09:38:15 AM

BronyMedic: Uh, why does this thread not have the Hero tag?

That takes a lot of balls, and principles to do. The amount of your life you spend earning that Eagle Scout medal is incredible, and to willingly hand it back over their bigotry is a huge step to take.


It isn't really that big a step. All it takes is a change in mindset, to realize that the medals are merely symbolic of one's achievements, and that, medals or no, the achievements are the important thing.

Please note that I'm not trying to diminish the stand that these men are taking. I think it's a great thing they are doing, and they have my utmost respect.
 
2012-07-25 09:39:34 AM

ununcle: A Fark Handle: ununcle: As a heterosexual male, could I coach the local high school cheer leading team? You bet your ass I could. I would be the best freakin high school cheer leading team coach there ever was.

turns out you can and could because no national cheer organization is banning you.

/there's no national agenda to give gays more rights...

Can I take them in the woods? This conversation proves there's an agenda.


The BSA's policy against gay leaders isn't about protecting kids from pedophiles. It's about the leaders being a moral example for the scouts, combined with backwards definitions of morality.
Whether you're gay in a hotel room or gay in the woods, the BSA still doesn't want you, unfortunately.
 
2012-07-25 09:41:27 AM

Alleyoop: Wanting our children to not be exposed to alternate and/or immoral lifestyle choices is bigotry now? Nice try.



You better keep them in the house, never let them watch tv, movies, or go on the internet. Wouldn't want them to catch the ghey. As long as you close their eyes they never have to learn the horrors that not everyone believes your morals are correct.
 
2012-07-25 09:43:14 AM

crab66: susansto-helit: They'll take anyone, regardless of religion or sexual orientation.

But you can't have a PENIS.


Guess again.
 
2012-07-25 09:47:17 AM

serial_crusher: platedlizard: Mugato: So uh...do the um, Girl Scouts allow...nothing, nothing.

The Girl Scouts allow LGBTQ members and volunteers, if that's what you're asking.

All couples have to sleep in separate tents, however.

Outrage! I'm going to send back my...eagle...cookie...or whatever it is they give out.

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The Girl Scout Gold Award is the highest award that a Girl Scout can receive. Unlike in Boy Scouts, it is not a rank, it is an earned award that combines Leadership, Community Service and addressing the root cause of a problem identified by the Scout. She needs to complete a few pre-requisites but, it's not quite the same as an Eagle Scout award. There are a whole host of reasons for this so I generally cringe when I hear someone say "The Gold Award is the same as an Eagle Award" - when they are more like apples and oranges.

I applaud these men for standing up in solidarity for what they believe in. While BSoUSA has always had their stance, I don't think a lot of Boy Scouts realize what it means until later and are now taking the stand they are. It's not for me to decide whether BSoUSA accepts or excludes members since they are private; however, if their members are sending a message, it's also up to them to decide how they listen and act on it.
 
2012-07-25 09:49:08 AM

MisterLoki: There are straight Eagle Scouts?


Yes, but obtaining an Eagle Scout is a -20 on the Ability To Get A Girlfriend.
 
2012-07-25 09:49:36 AM

ununcle: Why cant gays start up there own boy scouts" ??


They have. They're called bath houses.
 
2012-07-25 09:50:37 AM

farkityfarker: It has a ripple effect.

I stopped giving to the United Way because they give money to BSA, and many of my coworkers did too.


I wouldn't give to the United Way because of their 97% administrative overhead. I'd say it's a charity that's purely masturbatory, but at least you get results from masturbation...
 
2012-07-25 09:55:33 AM
Guess what folks
i1192.photobucket.com
The times they are a'changin'

/keep up or get left behind
 
2012-07-25 09:55:47 AM

Baloo Uriza: uatuba: I'm an Eagle Scout, and I'll return my medal and patch if and when the BSA ever decides to forgo its principles as a private, voluntary organization in favor of political correctness based on choices made by a particular group of people.

1) It's a public organization partially funded by federal tax dollars.
2) It sounds like you're describing the political correctness the Mormons are dictating to the organization.


We've been over this. It is not federally funded any more than any other private group that uses facilities which receive federal funds (aka...public facilities).
 
2012-07-25 10:00:51 AM

serial_crusher: Baloo Uriza: Gold Award. I know this because my high school sweetheart earned it. Then promptly joined the Explorers and got a job at the same Boy Scout camp I worked at.

Oh man, I feel sorry for her then. There was a girl from an explorer post working at the scout camp I went to one year. She put up with a LOT of shiat.


Heh, don't feel sorry for her, she was usually on the dealing end of any shiatstorm. She knew what to expect, her brother was a Scout (and also one of our coworkers at the camp) and was pretty close to an unmitigated jackass.
 
2012-07-25 10:03:44 AM

uatuba: Baloo Uriza: uatuba: I'm an Eagle Scout, and I'll return my medal and patch if and when the BSA ever decides to forgo its principles as a private, voluntary organization in favor of political correctness based on choices made by a particular group of people.

1) It's a public organization partially funded by federal tax dollars.
2) It sounds like you're describing the political correctness the Mormons are dictating to the organization.

We've been over this. It is not federally funded any more than any other private group that uses facilities which receive federal funds (aka...public facilities).


Have you actually looked at any of the financials? I have.
 
2012-07-25 10:06:07 AM
And yet colleges can promote all their agendas without a chirp of outrage, including banning and cencoring College Republicans if they disagree with liberal ideology.....

Hypocrites, that is all libs are.
 
2012-07-25 10:23:06 AM

david_gaithersburg: Bigotry from the left good.
Bigotry from the left bad.

Standing for one's beliefs and protecting children now equals bigotry, kay.


Didn't think that one through, did you?
"It's my belief that all other races are inferior to whites. What? Don't you dare call me a bigot, I'm just standing up for my beliefs!"
 
2012-07-25 10:28:54 AM

Baloo Uriza: uatuba: Baloo Uriza: uatuba: I'm an Eagle Scout, and I'll return my medal and patch if and when the BSA ever decides to forgo its principles as a private, voluntary organization in favor of political correctness based on choices made by a particular group of people.

1) It's a public organization partially funded by federal tax dollars.
2) It sounds like you're describing the political correctness the Mormons are dictating to the organization.

We've been over this. It is not federally funded any more than any other private group that uses facilities which receive federal funds (aka...public facilities).

Have you actually looked at any of the financials? I have.


And? The BSA is a tax exempt charity and that is all. They do not receive Federal or State funding, at least I couldn't find any mention of any doing a GIS asking "What Federal Funding does Boy Scouts receive". Please enlighten me as to the funding they receive.
 
2012-07-25 10:30:09 AM

Thunderpipes: And yet colleges can promote all their agendas without a chirp of outrage, including banning and cencoring College Republicans if they disagree with liberal ideology.....

Hypocrites, that is all libs are.


Are you kidding me? The right wing has criticized the entire post-secondary system as being hot-beds of liberal indoctrination my entire life and have tried everything in their power to destroy the system. I have never heard of a single college or university that banned or censored the College Republicans. Indeed, they encourage the organization in the spirit of political discourse. So you're talking out of your ass.

Having said that, I offer this. Say I want to start an all-men's club where men can go to engage in sports, get a massage, steam bath, take a swim, have a few drinks, or whatever. I want it to be a place where men can go and not have to be on their guard around women - a place of fraternity. Does this make me a sexist? Some people on both the left and right would say yes. The BSA is a private organization. If they do not want to admit openly gay men and boys, that is their prerogative. If I consider this bigoted, the answer is quite simple: I do not join. Many BSA troops are sponsored by churches, most of which oppose homosexuality. The BSA has always been somewhat quasi-religious and even their oath requires that a scout does his duty to God (which God?) and be "morally straight" (whose morality?). Like it or not, many people, including all fundamentalist Christians consider homosexuality to be immoral. So don't expect the BSA to back away from their stand anytime soon. Everyone, but everyone has understood that the BSA does not allow gays for years. It isn't like they suddenly changed the rules min-game. This isn't news; people were biatching about this in the 1980s. Howling at the organization about this is pointless. Eventually, they will change, but it won't be because they are pressured into it, but because the homophobes will no longer hold sway.
 
2012-07-25 10:31:42 AM

Sabyen91: sweatybronson: (hidey-gays more likely to be pedo-gays).

Jesus, you mouthbreathers are dumb. Link


Somebody failed at reading comprehension- I'll repeat in small words, so you'll get it - whos more likely to be a child
Molester? An openly gay man? Or a man whose homosexual tendencies are focused in children, and, therefore, he hides them? Any ban on teh gay only bans teh openly gay - it does not ban teh Sandusky. True, I was using that other dude's questionable semantics that 'man on boy' child molestation is a gay act the way man on girl molestation is a straight act... Reading comprehension includes understanding who I was responding to...
 
2012-07-25 10:39:08 AM

golem222: I am getting so sick and tired of the gay community telling people what they should and should not believe as well as think. Being gay is not a normal behavior no matter how much you try to tell me it is. Furthermore there is no reason on earth that will make me think being gay is "ok". Keep the homo out of scouts, for god sakes the organization is gay enough without having actual gays running it.


See, that's the thing. Being gay is not normal behavior for a straight person. Being gay is perfectly normal for a gay person. Their brains are wired differently than yours, and the sooner you accept that, the sooner you stop being an asshole.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2012-07-25 10:42:54 AM

serial_crusher: PhiloeBedoe: So, the organization in which grown men take young boys to frolic overnight in the woods and help sew things on their sashes, doesn't like gay people?

To be fair, nobody really cares about sewing merit badges on their sash until they make Eagle, at which point their mom freaks out about having them look presentable, and she's the one who gets stuck sewing the stuff on. So, the sewing part stays as the wimmin's work that it's supposed to be.

/ That's how it went for me anyhow.


I can specifically relate to exactly this. I kept all of mine in a box. My mother put everything on when I reached Eagle (and the Life badge was upside down). I still have everything, including the flag that flew over the US Capitol in my name. And I've seriously considered returning mine as well. Morally straight never meant "rejecting good people because you don't like their sexual interests" to me.
 
2012-07-25 10:44:43 AM

JackieRabbit: I have never heard of a single college or university that banned or censored the College Republicans


Every so often a group of College Republicans thinks they're being creative or edgy by having an "Affirmative Action Bake Sale", and every once in a while the college shuts them down for violating rules that (Republicans contend) the school's admissions board should also follow. I guess that's what he was getting at.
 
2012-07-25 10:48:47 AM

Pumpernickel bread: Being gay isn't a choice and gay adults should be able to do whatever they want with other gay adults...including get married, but I think the Boy Scouts are right here. Those that want to allow gay men to go out into the woods with preteen and teen boys seem perfectly willing to put the safety of these kids in peril in the name of political correctness. The simple truth of the matter is that if men that are known to be attracted to young men are put in a position of power over a group of them and then be permitted to take them out to secluded places, abuse of that power is bound to happen. 99% of gay men wanting to serve as scoutmasters would probably serve admirably, but undoubtedly there would be those looking to abuse that power for sexual gratification. The Jerry Sanduskys of the world would all be applying to be scoutmasters.


I hate to break it to you but the majority of pedophiles are "straight" men!
 
2012-07-25 10:50:22 AM

crzybtch: Pumpernickel bread: Being gay isn't a choice and gay adults should be able to do whatever they want with other gay adults...including get married, but I think the Boy Scouts are right here. Those that want to allow gay men to go out into the woods with preteen and teen boys seem perfectly willing to put the safety of these kids in peril in the name of political correctness. The simple truth of the matter is that if men that are known to be attracted to young men are put in a position of power over a group of them and then be permitted to take them out to secluded places, abuse of that power is bound to happen. 99% of gay men wanting to serve as scoutmasters would probably serve admirably, but undoubtedly there would be those looking to abuse that power for sexual gratification. The Jerry Sanduskys of the world would all be applying to be scoutmasters.

I hate to break it to you but the majority of pedophiles are "straight" men!


i didn't realize it was "straight" to have underage sex with CHILDREN. i thought being straight meant you did everything proper.

so in this case they'd be termed "gay". since they're "happy" doing whatever.
 
2012-07-25 10:50:22 AM

WeenerGord: Fluorescent Testicle: WeenerGord: [hateful derp]

I've seen you in hundreds of threads and you've always seemed sane before today. Recovering from a severe head injury, or what?

Are you are serious? Do you actually know anything about gays? Maybe you should do some reading. Very many gays are into power play, abuse, S&M. B&D, the list is endless. Pick up a tell all book, read a news story. Did you read upthread where bigstoopidbruce mentioned Jesse Dirkhising? why don't you search that name and read the horrible thing that happened to that poor kid. Do you know about bug chasers, gays who try to catch AIDS to prove how gay they are? If you were gay and cared about other gays, why would you wish that on them?

And I'm a bad person for agreeing that the BSA can keep out the openly gay if they want to? Fark all ya'll who don't care if kids might be harmed just because YOU want to boast about how cool and open and non-bigoted you are. Maybe when you grow up you will learn better sense.


Show us on the doll where the bad man touched you, WeenerGord.

\yes, you are a bad person for espousing exclusionary policies based on your imaginary reality
 
2012-07-25 10:56:43 AM
"now stands for"? Try has always stood for.
 
2012-07-25 11:01:04 AM

farkityfarker: The official policy of the BSA is that being gay or being atheist (or both) is dishonorable.


So, Gaetheist?
 
2012-07-25 11:02:24 AM

ununcle: Pumpernickel bread: Being gay isn't a choice and gay adults should be able to do whatever they want with other gay adults...including get married, but I think the Boy Scouts are right here. Those that want to allow gay men to go out into the woods with preteen and teen boys seem perfectly willing to put the safety of these kids in peril in the name of political correctness. The simple truth of the matter is that if men that are known to be attracted to young men are put in a position of power over a group of them and then be permitted to take them out to secluded places, abuse of that power is bound to happen. 99% of gay men wanting to serve as scoutmasters would probably serve admirably, but undoubtedly there would be those looking to abuse that power for sexual gratification. The Jerry Sanduskys of the world would all be applying to be scoutmasters.

This,,
My daughter has a passion for photography/wedding planner/ have fun , and her first wedding was a gay one. She asked if I had a problem with that and I said no. I have no problem with gay people. I only have a problem with the "agenda' that wants to flip sexuality upside down where it's supposed to be appropriate for a gay man to be surrounded by teen boys in the middle of the woods, yet considered lunacy for a hetero male to be surrounded by teen girls in the woods. Neither one is appropriate. She understood.



Again - most pedophiles are "straight" men!

By your thinking, doesn't that mean that only women should be with boyscouts and only men should be with girlscouts? Or were you saying only men should be with boyscouts and only women should be with girlscouts? How about teachers? Should girls only have women teachers and boys only male teachers? How about parents, if a single father has a daughter, can he not take the daughter and her friends camping? If a single mother has a son, can she not take the son and his friends camping? You are on a really slippery slope here, it is not as black and white as you think it is.

And AGAIN I would like to point out that the majority of PEDOPHILES have ALWAYS been "straight" people!
 
2012-07-25 11:04:01 AM
OMG, all y'all on here who are all, like, 'well, neh neh neh, if you don't wanna join the BSA, then just don't!' forget one convenient fact - people who join BSA are CHILDREN when they join, and, as children, are not fully aware of, or focused on, the policies of the large organization of which they are a part.

Now, say you were in a club, and you joined when you were like 12... And then you grew up, and realized that the club you joined and cared about a lot had one policy that you really disagreed with, and you wanted to do something so that you could make this club that you were so invested in better.

Well, you'd do what these folks did.

We're not talking about the LEGALITY of things. We're talking about people trying to change the policies of a very large organization. The BSA are free to hold their viewpoint. That's good. THe protestors are free to protest. That's good. The steps taken by these Eagle Scouts may very well start a turn in policy from bigoted to not-bigoted amongst the Boy Scouts. That's great.
 
2012-07-25 11:12:17 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: crzybtch: Pumpernickel bread: Being gay isn't a choice and gay adults should be able to do whatever they want with other gay adults...including get married, but I think the Boy Scouts are right here. Those that want to allow gay men to go out into the woods with preteen and teen boys seem perfectly willing to put the safety of these kids in peril in the name of political correctness. The simple truth of the matter is that if men that are known to be attracted to young men are put in a position of power over a group of them and then be permitted to take them out to secluded places, abuse of that power is bound to happen. 99% of gay men wanting to serve as scoutmasters would probably serve admirably, but undoubtedly there would be those looking to abuse that power for sexual gratification. The Jerry Sanduskys of the world would all be applying to be scoutmasters.

I hate to break it to you but the majority of pedophiles are "straight" men!

i didn't realize it was "straight" to have underage sex with CHILDREN. i thought being straight meant you did everything proper.

so in this case they'd be termed "gay". since they're "happy" doing whatever.


I cannot believe that you do not recognise the difference between being gay and being a pedophile! Because you have sex with a CHILD you are a pedophile, regarless of the sex of the child! You need to look up pedophilia, because it is NOT about your sexual orientation. Having sex with a child is wayyyyyy beyond having consentual sex with an adult partner of the same sex. I have lots of gay friends who think pedophiles should go to jail or receive the death penalty just like the rest of my straight friends. To think that a man who rapes children is "gay" is simplistic and naive.
 
2012-07-25 11:12:28 AM

ununcle: Baloo Uriza: Pumpernickel bread: Those that want to allow gay men to go out into the woods with preteen and teen boys seem perfectly willing to put the safety of these kids in peril in the name of political correctness.

Two words you might want to look up in the dictionary: "homosexual" and "pedophile." Please note the distinction. Two names you might want to google: "James Dale" and "Jerry Sandusky." Please note the difference between these two individuals.

2 words you may wanna look up, appropriate and inappropriate. For thousands of years men (hetero) have not been able (legaly) to go out into the woods to teach a group of young girls how to rub sticks together to make heat. Therefore, it will never be appropriate for a gay man to go into said woods to teach young men the facts of life. No matter how much you wish it, it ain't happening. Are you gatting me sweetheart?


Not. True. Thousands of programs out there have co-ed leaders.

I, personally, have been in the woods with 14 females (2 of whom were fellow leaders) as a leader and guide.

Your use of 'thousands of years' marks you as a probable troll, however... But good job there, kiddo. Keep it up.
 
2012-07-25 11:31:22 AM

serial_crusher: JackieRabbit: I have never heard of a single college or university that banned or censored the College Republicans

Every so often a group of College Republicans thinks they're being creative or edgy by having an "Affirmative Action Bake Sale", and every once in a while the college shuts them down for violating rules that (Republicans contend) the school's admissions board should also follow. I guess that's what he was getting at.


Thanks for the link. Just read:

A black student filed a complaint with SMU, saying the sale was offensive. SMU officials said they halted the event after 45 minutes because it created a potentially unsafe situation.

"This was not an issue about free speech," Tim Moore, director of the SMU student center, said in a story for Thursday's edition of The Dallas Morning News. "It was really an issue where we had a hostile environment being created."'

I agree with the administration on this. This protest could have turned into a riot. And while Republicans cherry-picked this from Faux News, the article states the College Republicans had staged similar affirmative action protest in five states since February. And, this protest was shut down at Souther Methodist University, a very conservative school.

Still, I agree with Republicans on affirmative action. A person should be judged only on his/her abilities and qualifications, not by the color of his/her skin. To do otherwise is blatantly racist, whether or not one particular race benefits by the process. Some could argue that affirmative action had positive outcomes, but if that is the case, it's time has passed. I extend this philosophy to gay people. They, too, should be judged on abilities and qualifications and who they choose to sleep with in unimportant. I think we will need at least three more decades before the GOP gets on board with this thinking. Hell many of them would repeal the Civil Rights Act of 1964 today if they could.
 
2012-07-25 11:35:08 AM

stupiddream: And? The BSA is a tax exempt charity and that is all. They do not receive Federal or State funding, at least I couldn't find any mention of any doing a GIS asking "What Federal Funding does Boy Scouts receive". Please enlighten me as to the funding they receive.


So, "no." The BSA gets about $11 million/year from the Department of Defense, accounting for 8% of revenue. They also get free (ie, doesn't have to pay any of the fees other organizations do) in state parks in most states and all national parks and forests.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2012-07-25 11:42:15 AM

chewd: Scouts have been a deeply christian organization at least since i was a kid (late 70's)

I remember the scout leader sitting us all down & saying something along the lines of "i know you boys come here just to have fun & play games with your friends, but we are also here to glorify jesus. If you dont love jesus, dont come back."

I was horrified... and never went to another scout meeting.

I also never contribute to scouts... my kids arent in the scouts.

Screw the jesus scouts.

I hear the girl scouts arent as church-oriented though. so i do still buy their cookies.


Things like this never came up in my pack. Ever. In fact, I got to hear more religion at my high school soccer games when my catholic coach required a prayer before the game to ask for victory. Really. I got more religion in public school in 1 soccer season than 11 combined years of cub scouts and boy scouts that had weekly meetings and monthly camping trips.
 
2012-07-25 11:44:03 AM

JackieRabbit: Still, I agree with Republicans on affirmative action. A person should be judged only on his/her abilities and qualifications, not by the color of his/her skin. To do otherwise is blatantly racist, whether or not one particular race benefits by the process. Some could argue that affirmative action had positive outcomes, but if that is the case, it's time has passed. I extend this philosophy to gay people. They, too, should be judged on abilities and qualifications and who they choose to sleep with in unimportant. I think we will need at least three more decades before the GOP gets on board with this thinking. Hell many of them would repeal the Civil Rights Act of 1964 today if they could.


We need AA until those in power to hire/fire are as altruistic as they should be in a free and civil society.

The reality is that we're not even close.
 
2012-07-25 11:45:20 AM
Approves...
i15.tinypic.com
 
2012-07-25 11:46:17 AM

angrycrank: fusillade762: StreetlightInTheGhetto: And if the Boy Scouts have policies where a adult is alone with a child then they have bigger things to worry about than openly gay people.

This.

You know, if this policy were about taking boys into the woods, wouldn't it make sense if the ONLY people allowed to be scout leaders were lesbians? I mean, gay men and straight women are attracted to males. And straight men could be lying about their attraction to males to avoid the stigma of being known to be gay. A lesbian is unlikely to be secretly dreaming about 14-year-old boys, amiright?

Oh, except that CHILD MOLESTATION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GAY OR STRAIGHT SEXUAL ORIENTATION, YOU @#$^#^!s!!!


Yeah, because false accusations never happen either?

We were all screened before we joined - but the main reason was because you + one girl = NO OTHER WITNESSES IF SOMEONE MAKES SHIAT UP.

/christ
 
2012-07-25 11:47:44 AM

DGS: In fact, I got to hear more religion at my high school soccer games when my catholic coach required a prayer before the game to ask for victory.


What level of abject vanity does it require to believe an invisible power that purportedly created the universe with all it's complexity and immensity cares about one particular collection of crotchfruit is more worthy to be victorious over the other kicking a ball around on dirt and grass? Really? REALLY?
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2012-07-25 11:57:49 AM

WeenerGord: Fluorescent Testicle: WeenerGord: [hateful derp]

I've seen you in hundreds of threads and you've always seemed sane before today. Recovering from a severe head injury, or what?

Are you are serious? Do you actually know anything about gays? Maybe you should do some reading. Very many gays are into power play, abuse, S&M. B&D, the list is endless. Pick up a tell all book, read a news story. Did you read upthread where bigstoopidbruce mentioned Jesse Dirkhising? why don't you search that name and read the horrible thing that happened to that poor kid. Do you know about bug chasers, gays who try to catch AIDS to prove how gay they are? If you were gay and cared about other gays, why would you wish that on them?

And I'm a bad person for agreeing that the BSA can keep out the openly gay if they want to? Fark all ya'll who don't care if kids might be harmed just because YOU want to boast about how cool and open and non-bigoted you are. Maybe when you grow up you will learn better sense.


Wow, you really are derpirific. "kids might be harmed" so keep gays and lesbians away? Well, true. If they were pedophiles. Kids might be harmed walking home from school, or after school at practice. That janitor might be gay. And the school bus driver, too. Or the driver in the ice cream truck. Or that's cleaning the bathroom at McDonald's that's on the way home.

You've got this built up image of how bad it is for kids to be around someone who identifies as personally being for same-gendered relationships. Do you think every parent stops and goes, "how do you feel about them gays? Do you like like little boys and/or girls?" with every interaction they have that may include their children?

And you throw around the 'maybe when you grow up' comments... project much? There are plenty of straight people that pursue alternative sex/lifestyle options because that's their personal choice. If it doesn't get anywhere near the kids, wtf does that have to do anything? I'm wondering if it's possible for you to be any more self-righteous and all-knowing, even as you brazenly display willful ignorance.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2012-07-25 12:00:58 PM

WeenerGord: BronyMedic: I mean, it's rather obvious. Angry sex is what is needed here.

You are a messed up person, and should not be allowed near children


... said the kettle.
 
2012-07-25 12:02:56 PM
My son is finishing up his eagle right now. Neither of us care on whit one way or the other about people's sexuality. Will help him get into a decent college, though.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2012-07-25 12:08:43 PM

lohphat: DGS: In fact, I got to hear more religion at my high school soccer games when my catholic coach required a prayer before the game to ask for victory.

What level of abject vanity does it require to believe an invisible power that purportedly created the universe with all it's complexity and immensity cares about one particular collection of crotchfruit is more worthy to be victorious over the other kicking a ball around on dirt and grass? Really? REALLY?


Yep. He was a self-righteous know it all and I never got along with him. The assistant coach.. now that man I hated disappointing. He played on the El Salvador national team and later came to the US. He worked in the steel mill all day and then came to help coach our team. In his 40s, the 5'4 guy could run circles around all of us and outjump most of us to headers in practice. When he looked like he thought you weren't giving a good effort, it was damn near devastating to me. And while he was also catholic, he never tried to push that on us. I had so much respect for the man.

Those same prayers always rubbed me wrong. "Gee, coach, are you saying you hope god makes the other team lose? Will he maybe help their better players slack off, or is it just coincidence if someone on their team sprains an ankle?"
 
2012-07-25 12:09:18 PM

untaken_name: clyph: untaken_name: Would you mind explaining precisely how bigotry can objectively be defined as "evil"?

Bigotry harms people - emotionally, socially, economically, and/or physically - without just cause. Harming people without just cause is evil.

Bigotry is treating other people in a way you would not want to be treated. The ethic of reciprocity (AKA the golden rule) is the foundation of civilized (AKA good) behavior; breaking it is therefore evil.

Oh, so there's no real hard data. It's all just feelings. Well, that's fine and all, but subjective ideas probably shouldn't be stated as facts, since they can't be backed up with actual evidence.


It's an axiom, which is a tad more than "just feelings". It's how we're able to term racist bigotry as evil, without having to preface it with "This is just my opinion, man..." Saying that something can't be termed "evil" because there's "no real hard data" is completely and utterly missing the point of the conversation.
 
2012-07-25 12:17:31 PM

The more you eat the more you fart: captcaveman: Dimensio: captcaveman: What a dumb bunch of morons, like returning your worthless medal will do a damn thing to change a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION that you voluntarily joined and voluntarily fought to earn a piece of metal that you don't need to be successful. You failed to read the fine print of a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION. That means they can do what they want and don't have to give a shiate about your farking opinion while still supporting it. So EAGLE scouts that are so offended by a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION that is upholding its own policies, nothing you do with your medal is going to change that. There is nothing against the law about being a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION with your own laws and standards. If you don't want to be a boy scout, don't. If you are gay male and you want to be a boy scout, you can't. That is not against the law or bigotry in any way. Create the LBGT scouts if you want to. Nothing is stopping you.

The Boy Scouts of America's policy of prohibiting membership by homosexuals is, in fact, "bigotry". Your claim, therefore is a lie.

Its still a private organization. Your argument is invalid.

Actually, its not.


Have you read this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_Scouts_of_America (looks like you missed it)
 
2012-07-25 12:24:56 PM

Baloo Uriza: stupiddream: And? The BSA is a tax exempt charity and that is all. They do not receive Federal or State funding, at least I couldn't find any mention of any doing a GIS asking "What Federal Funding does Boy Scouts receive". Please enlighten me as to the funding they receive.

So, "no." The BSA gets about $11 million/year from the Department of Defense, accounting for 8% of revenue. They also get free (ie, doesn't have to pay any of the fees other organizations do) in state parks in most states and all national parks and forests.


Citation needed. The DOD funds the Jamboree at Ft. AP Hill every four years to the tune of 2 Million. They use the event as an exercise to train MPs, support personell and other crowd control personell. Yes, the BSA does get to use parks and national forests for free.
 
2012-07-25 12:33:31 PM


The Boy Scouts of America's policy of prohibiting membership by homosexuals is, in fact, "bigotry". Your claim, therefore is a lie.

Its still a private organization. Your argument is invalid.

That it is a private organization does not alter the fact of their bigotry. Your claim remains a lie, and you are therefore a liar. Consequently, I am now curious as to why any claim issued by you should be believed.


OK, I'll bite. Because I was a scout and I have no problem with the policy. This is an open forum. I don't have to care about your opinion and you don't have to care about mine. Its called the first amendment. The fact is that private organizations can have their own policy to promote their own way of life.

It is it not bigotry because they are not actively promoting hate. That would be like my all black church going out and saying that we don't want white people in our church.

They didn't do that, they simply have an idea of what they want to promote as a healthy way of life and they can because its a choice. You don't have to join the boy scouts of America. There are other organizations that will accept anyone of any orientation. The Boy and Girl Scouts of America will not be one of them.
 
2012-07-25 12:35:30 PM

stupiddream: Baloo Uriza: stupiddream: And? The BSA is a tax exempt charity and that is all. They do not receive Federal or State funding, at least I couldn't find any mention of any doing a GIS asking "What Federal Funding does Boy Scouts receive". Please enlighten me as to the funding they receive.

So, "no." The BSA gets about $11 million/year from the Department of Defense, accounting for 8% of revenue. They also get free (ie, doesn't have to pay any of the fees other organizations do) in state parks in most states and all national parks and forests.

Citation needed. The DOD funds the Jamboree at Ft. AP Hill every four years to the tune of 2 Million. They use the event as an exercise to train MPs, support personell and other crowd control personell. Yes, the BSA does get to use parks and national forests for free.


BSA's 2011 financial report. On years the jambo happens, the DOD ends up paying about $10 million on just the jambo (source: DOD).
 
2012-07-25 12:48:42 PM

Pete_T_Mann: blahpers: Yes, really. You're going to argue that bigotry is not evil?

I don't have enough popcorn for this one.

Well first off, I stopped believing in "Good and Evil" a little after I stopped believing in Santa Claus...

But your hyperbolous use of "evil" to describe a relatively innocuous policy decision by a private organization is really just... sad. But then again, so is most of this thread...


You keep using that word.

But go ahead, Herr Nietzsche. Explain to us how "evil" is now a meaningless term and calling things like bigotry (or child rape, for that matter, since it seems to be a focus for so many posters) "evil" is soooooo passé. Bonus points if you bring up thought experiments that require anything from meteors to the construction of an entire hypothetical universe to force a situation in which they would not be considered evil.

Face it. Some things are just plain wrong.
 
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