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2012-07-25 04:27:09 AM  

Pumpernickel bread: Those that want to allow gay men to go out into the woods with preteen and teen boys seem perfectly willing to put the safety of these kids in peril in the name of political correctness.



Exactly. You should send your kids to Catholic Church camp instead. You can never trust "the gheys"
 
2012-07-25 04:28:32 AM  
Do gay pedos openly discuss their sexual preference? I would of presumed they are still in the closet or do they presume that all gay mean by default are pedos? Either way whoever made this rule is a little bit simple minded.
 
2012-07-25 04:37:48 AM  

Aussie_As: Jesus preached tolerance and love.



Don't ever go there. You'll blow the mind of the conservative Christians. They cannot accept this fact
 
2012-07-25 04:38:51 AM  

Pumpernickel bread: Being gay isn't a choice and gay adults should be able to do whatever they want with other gay adults...including get married, but I think the Boy Scouts are right here. Those that want to allow gay men to go out into the woods with preteen and teen boys seem perfectly willing to put the safety of these kids in peril in the name of political correctness. The simple truth of the matter is that if men that are known to be attracted to young men are put in a position of power over a group of them and then be permitted to take them out to secluded places, abuse of that power is bound to happen. 99% of gay men wanting to serve as scoutmasters would probably serve admirably, but undoubtedly there would be those looking to abuse that power for sexual gratification. The Jerry Sanduskys of the world would all be applying to be scoutmasters.


I'll say it- look, half the problem here with any molestation situation is the institution covers it up. Either because they don't know how to react, or that they don't believe the behavior is a problem, or that the "scandal" would be more of a problem for everyone and it's best to just "let it go". IMHO a hetero, conservative guy would be the MOST likely to look the other way. Any out-of-the-closet gay guy is gonna be all "oh HELL NO you can't be doing this shiat!"
 
2012-07-25 04:39:32 AM  
This thread is REALLY gay.
 
2012-07-25 04:43:27 AM  

angrycrank: fusillade762: StreetlightInTheGhetto: And if the Boy Scouts have policies where a adult is alone with a child then they have bigger things to worry about than openly gay people.

This.

You know, if this policy were about taking boys into the woods, wouldn't it make sense if the ONLY people allowed to be scout leaders were lesbians? I mean, gay men and straight women are attracted to males. And straight men could be lying about their attraction to males to avoid the stigma of being known to be gay. A lesbian is unlikely to be secretly dreaming about 14-year-old boys, amiright?

Oh, except that CHILD MOLESTATION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GAY OR STRAIGHT SEXUAL ORIENTATION, YOU @#$^#^!s!!!


So... bring back eunuchs?
 
2012-07-25 04:44:39 AM  
I was a cub scout as a kid, we met at a local public elementary school. There was nothing religious about it. We went camping, volunteered at charities and soup kitchens, had fun activities like soap box races, got badges... nobody cared what your skin color was or anything. Some of you people who support this bigotry are just sick individuals. Gays are the last group of people where the majority can hate and discriminate against them. I know it sucks society has taken away everything else. Now black or brown can do anything they want. But everyone unites on hating the homosexuals! What year is it? 2012? I don't believe it. Shameful really.
 
2012-07-25 04:56:58 AM  
Cause the boy scouts have been the epitome of heterosexual men for the last 100 years...
 
2012-07-25 05:02:24 AM  

fusillade762: So... bring back eunuchs?


No, man, eunuchs were the studs of their times. They could still get it up AND they didn't get any noble women pregnant.
 
2012-07-25 05:03:18 AM  
We reached out via email to the Boy Scouts of America for a comment. Spokesman Smith responded: "Scouting represents millions of youth and adult members in diverse communities across the nation, each with a variety of beliefs about this issue. While a majority of our membership agrees with our policy, no single policy will accommodate the many diverse views among our membership or society

Nice try, arsehole.

Bigotry and anti-bigotry are not equivalent, nor are they a simple difference of opinion. Bigotry is evil. Opposing bigotry is correct. Presenting this as anything otherwise is nothing more than a pathetic and vile attempt to defend the indefencible.
 
2012-07-25 05:10:40 AM  

DempseySR26: BronyMedic: DempseySR26: Funny the people here calling the scouts bigots are bigots against Christians. Hypocrites.

I don't care if you're Christian, Islamic, Jewish, or worship Celestia herself.

Your beliefs don't give you a blank check to actively and unquestioningly exclude or discriminate against anyone for inborn characteristics - be it race, sexual orientation, or ethnic origin. And it's not intolerance to speak out against anyone who would publically hide behind their percieved righteousness and holiness to spout out such nonsense.

I don't see how Christians are making holding back any gay person from sticking his manhood in a place where another man evacuates his bowels. All they are saying is what they believe. They aren't keeping gay people from doing anything. Want to get married? Get religion because it's a religious ritual. Then go find a priest, preacher, rabbi, imam, wiccan, tree, cow or whatever and just say your vowels. Leave other people alone. It's not cute.


I agree with you. The problem is that Marriage also carries legal weight. It's a hard construct to get rid of without getting rid of the tax bonuses, and therefore raising a lot of people's taxes, so the band-aid fix is letting gay people marry. I'm fine with someone saying that "I believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman." I'm not fine with "marriage should come with a tax break and exclusive hospital visitation rights."
 
2012-07-25 05:21:24 AM  

Gordon Bennett: We reached out via email to the Boy Scouts of America for a comment. Spokesman Smith responded: "Scouting represents millions of youth and adult members in diverse communities across the nation, each with a variety of beliefs about this issue. While a majority of our membership agrees with our policy, no single policy will accommodate the many diverse views among our membership or society

Nice try, arsehole.

Bigotry and anti-bigotry are not equivalent, nor are they a simple difference of opinion. Bigotry is evil. Opposing bigotry is correct. Presenting this as anything otherwise is nothing more than a pathetic and vile attempt to defend the indefencible.


While you seem to be earnest, your post consists of prejudicial language, naked assertions, and appeals to emotion. Would you mind explaining precisely how bigotry can objectively be defined as "evil"? Let's make sure we're working with the same definitions. I am using "immoral or malevolent" as my definition of evil. Bigotry seems rooted in ignorance rather than malevolence. Also, since many forms of bigotry are codified in different moral codes, I don't think you can call it objectively immoral, either.
 
2012-07-25 05:33:06 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: How many bongos must a man fart before you can call him Fartbongo?


All of them.
 
2012-07-25 05:39:29 AM  

untaken_name: Would you mind explaining precisely how bigotry can objectively be defined as "evil"?


Bigotry harms people - emotionally, socially, economically, and/or physically - without just cause. Harming people without just cause is evil.

Bigotry is treating other people in a way you would not want to be treated. The ethic of reciprocity (AKA the golden rule) is the foundation of civilized (AKA good) behavior; breaking it is therefore evil.
 
2012-07-25 05:41:40 AM  

clyph: untaken_name: Would you mind explaining precisely how bigotry can objectively be defined as "evil"?

Bigotry harms people - emotionally, socially, economically, and/or physically - without just cause. Harming people without just cause is evil.

Bigotry is treating other people in a way you would not want to be treated. The ethic of reciprocity (AKA the golden rule) is the foundation of civilized (AKA good) behavior; breaking it is therefore evil.


Oh, so there's no real hard data. It's all just feelings. Well, that's fine and all, but subjective ideas probably shouldn't be stated as facts, since they can't be backed up with actual evidence.
 
2012-07-25 05:47:34 AM  

Pumpernickel bread: Being gay isn't a choice and gay adults should be able to do whatever they want with other gay adults...including get married, but I think the Boy Scouts are right here. Those that want to allow gay men to go out into the woods with preteen and teen boys seem perfectly willing to put the safety of these kids in peril in the name of political correctness. The simple truth of the matter is that if men that are known to be attracted to young men are put in a position of power over a group of them and then be permitted to take them out to secluded places, abuse of that power is bound to happen. 99% of gay men wanting to serve as scoutmasters would probably serve admirably, but undoubtedly there would be those looking to abuse that power for sexual gratification. The Jerry Sanduskys of the world would all be applying to be scoutmasters.


I don't think gay=child molester.

And there's a two-man rule when you're with a single kid. So I don't see camping trips as a problem.

On this issue, I have to say that Boy Scouts may be legally in the clear, but they are morally wrong. Period. I have much respect for those who sent their Eagles back in an attempt to change what is a discriminatory and ignorant policy on the part of the BSA leadership. Please remember though, that thousands of troops welcome gay kids and passively oppose the policy. There's just no way to change it, because if you protest, you get thrown out. Maybe some day...
 
2012-07-25 05:48:52 AM  

ka1axy: And there's a two-man rule when you're with a single kid.


Giggity?
 
2012-07-25 06:27:48 AM  
img1.fark.netes

"pro-heterosexual"...... *snort*
 
2012-07-25 06:33:48 AM  
The official policy of the BSA is that being gay or being atheist (or both) is dishonorable.

Even the US military no longer officially has that policy.
 
2012-07-25 06:47:34 AM  
Eh....

I don't see a problem with the BSA. None at all.

It's a social club that is designed to instil certain values into it's members. You may or you may not agree with those values. If you don't agree - you probably shouldn't join. The Boy Scouts of America are not trying to include everyone. They don't want everyone. They want to preach what they believe. And that's what they do.

They don't want girls.
They don't atheists.
They don't want gays.

And to me - that's just fine. In fact, it strikes me as no different than many popular religions who also have different roles assigned by gender, requires believe in a God or Gods and also doesn't want gays and/or has particular views about sexual behaviour.

If you believe in gender equality/neutrality - Don't join or support BSA.
If you believe that atheism is correct or more beneficial for children - Don't join or support BSA.
If you believe that being gay is as good or better than being straight - Don't join or support BSA.

But if you believe in the values that BSA believes in - then join up.
 
2012-07-25 06:58:50 AM  

Alleyoop: Don't like it? Go start your own club and leave ours alone.


RealFarknMcCoy2: We'll leave yours alone when it's 100% self-funded.


You have nothing better to do? Sad.

heap: step away from the tax teat, and your wish may be granted.


[Citation Needed]

Dimensio: For what reason do you support and endorse irrational bigotry?


Wanting our children to not be exposed to alternate and/or immoral lifestyle choices is bigotry now? Nice try.
 
2012-07-25 07:03:37 AM  

captcaveman: What a dumb bunch of morons, like returning your worthless medal will do a damn thing to change a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION that you voluntarily joined and voluntarily fought to earn a piece of metal that you don't need to be successful. You failed to read the fine print of a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION. That means they can do what they want and don't have to give a shiate about your farking opinion while still supporting it. So EAGLE scouts that are so offended by a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION that is upholding its own policies, nothing you do with your medal is going to change that. There is nothing against the law about being a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION with your own laws and standards. If you don't want to be a boy scout, don't. If you are gay male and you want to be a boy scout, you can't. That is not against the law or bigotry in any way. Create the LBGT scouts if you want to. Nothing is stopping you.


Since when has being a private organization been a shield of any fashion from protests against moral failings?
A private organization that does things that people find morally objectionable are bound to be protested against, whether those things are legal or not.
And the bolded part of your comment is only half true -- it is not against the law, but it IS bigoted.
 
2012-07-25 07:04:39 AM  

RealFarknMcCoy2: Alleyoop: Don't like it? Go start your own club and leave ours alone.

We'll leave yours alone when it's 100% self-funded.


Just like every church in the United States.....
 
2012-07-25 07:06:40 AM  

captcaveman: Its still a private organization. Your argument is invalid.


Whether something is bigotry or not has absolutely nothing to do with whether the person or group doing it is a public or private entity.
The fact that they are a private entity only allows them to be bigoted legally.
 
2012-07-25 07:12:49 AM  

WeenerGord: Having an open mind is one thing, setting your children up to be molested is another.


What makes you think that homosexuals are any more likely to be sexual predators? Anything valid, or just your own biased observations?


Not all out homosexuals heterosexuals are honorable persons who would never abuse a boy.

Equally valid statement.
 
2012-07-25 07:19:54 AM  

jimk777: I find it hilarious how gays or gay rights activists try to do anything to avoid the obvious point that Sandusky is either gay or bi. Yes he by definition is but so what? I just enjoy calling the activist types on their hypocrisy making myself sound like a simpleton.

 
2012-07-25 07:28:14 AM  
Every, just STFU and GBTW and stop pretending like ot matters whether a conservative christian organization's decision to not allow teh geys affects your life one iota.
 
2012-07-25 07:31:59 AM  

WeenerGord: Pick up a tell all book, read a news story. Did you read upthread where bigstoopidbruce mentioned Jesse Dirkhising? why don't you search that name and read the horrible thing that happened to that poor kid.


I don't know if you know this, but "tell-all books" and news stories about individuals are very, VERY poor sources of information, especially about a large, generalized group of people. Your opinion of what gay people are like is informed by things like one specific horrendous murder case -- and you actually think this is a good reflection of any significant portion of the homosexual population?? My god is that stupid. I mean, do you look at a story like the Hillside Stranger, or Ted Bundy, and think "Man, I'd better keep my kids away from white males!" They have some pretty horrific stories too -- but do you imagine that they're somehow representative of some significant portion of white males? If not, why are you treating homosexuals differently?
 
2012-07-25 07:36:12 AM  
Alleyoop: Wanting our children to not be exposed to alternate and/or immoral lifestyle choices is bigotry now? Nice try.

So you're saying being Black or Asian is an immoral, alternative lifestyle choice?

Because that's really what you're comparing it to, here. There is no debate that sexual orientation, like race, is an in-born trait.

Really, if you want to be blaming someone for being immortal, you should shun their mom. Her filthy, filthy hormones and dirty, jezebel-like immune system for doing things to the baby. Oh and genetics. Those terrifying genes.
 
2012-07-25 07:51:28 AM  

BronyMedic: Alleyoop: Wanting our children to not be exposed to alternate and/or immoral lifestyle choices is bigotry now? Nice try.

So you're saying being Black or Asian is an immoral, alternative lifestyle choice?

Because that's really what you're comparing it to, here. There is no debate that sexual orientation, like race, is an in-born trait.

Really, if you want to be blaming someone for being immortal, you should shun their mom. Her filthy, filthy hormones and dirty, jezebel-like immune system for doing things to the baby. Oh and genetics. Those terrifying genes.


I'm pretty sure most religions don't care if you have gay URGES - they only have problems with people who act on those urges. Nobody is born acting on homosexual urges. But they are born a particular race and gender.

I wouldn't consider those quite the same thing.
 
2012-07-25 07:54:37 AM  

WeenerGord: Fluorescent Testicle: WeenerGord: [hateful derp]

I've seen you in hundreds of threads and you've always seemed sane before today. Recovering from a severe head injury, or what?

Are you are serious? Do you actually know anything about gays? Maybe you should do some reading. Very many gays are into power play, abuse, S&M. B&D, the list is endless. Pick up a tell all book, read a news story. Did you read upthread where bigstoopidbruce mentioned Jesse Dirkhising? why don't you search that name and read the horrible thing that happened to that poor kid. Do you know about bug chasers, gays who try to catch AIDS to prove how gay they are? If you were gay and cared about other gays, why would you wish that on them?

And I'm a bad person for agreeing that the BSA can keep out the openly gay if they want to? Fark all ya'll who don't care if kids might be harmed just because YOU want to boast about how cool and open and non-bigoted you are. Maybe when you grow up you will learn better sense.


Just a reminder: The majority of rapists or their victims are not homosexual.

http://criminalminds.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Serial_Rapists


Rape isn't about the sex. Rape is about the power.
Gay or straight. Doesn't matter--it's about control.


And while everyone is up at arms over Sandusky, they forgot this guy:
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/10/12667351-guilty-plea-chi l d-rapist-was-accused-of-giving-girls-special-juice-before-assaults?lit e

Raping little girls. This is a pedophile. He's not into women, he's into female children.


MasterJedana is a hetero male--does that mean I shouldn't have left him alone with our daughter? I did--because he is not a pedophile. I've left my son at a friend's house--she is a lesbian, with two kids herself (one is even a girl). Has she hurt her daughter? No, because she's not a pedo. Wanting to be with a person of the same sex is not the same as wanting to have sex with a child, even a child of the same sex. Anyone who believes this is just flat out ignorant.

At one time, people believed that sharing a water fountain with a black person was immoral and an alternative lifestyle.

At one time, people believed the world was flat.


/likes B&D, power games
//not gay
///Master Jedana can only wish
////Bullet to the brain for anyone who hurts a child--they won't do it again.
 
2012-07-25 08:00:55 AM  
Eagle Scout checking in...
(reads thread)
....aaaaaaand checking back out
/
 
2012-07-25 08:20:24 AM  

intelligent comment below: I was a cub scout as a kid, we met at a local public elementary school. There was nothing religious about it. We went camping, volunteered at charities and soup kitchens, had fun activities like soap box races, got badges... nobody cared what your skin color was or anything. Some of you people who support this bigotry are just sick individuals. Gays are the last group of people where the majority can hate and discriminate against them. I know it sucks society has taken away everything else. Now black or brown can do anything they want. But everyone unites on hating the homosexuals! What year is it? 2012? I don't believe it. Shameful really.


Now now, you can still hate fat people too
 
2012-07-25 08:21:37 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: .. Nobody is born acting on homosexual urges...


Actual scientific research says you are simply wrong.
 
2012-07-25 08:29:07 AM  

pippi longstocking: Cause the boy scouts have been the epitome of heterosexual men for the last 100 years...


What segent of boy scout training relates to sexuality? Because it doesn't align with mass media gay stereotypes? Repace "heterosexual" with "Caucasian" nd try it on for size.
 
2012-07-25 08:38:35 AM  

BKITU: BronyMedic: serial_crusher: Ideally I'd like to change the BSA from within, but realistically I haven't been that active in my adult years.

Good luck with that. The structure of the BSA is that of an organization which not only condones religious fundamentalism, but actively works to encourage it. Local member organizations are given a blank slate to run out those who are not religious - Atheists and Agnostics - and it's a rather uncomfortable position for anyone who is NOT a Christian theist due to their close ties with local churches. On the surface, the BSA tries to appear all inclusive and tolerant, but once you're in, the reality is quite different.

Plenty of Jewish scouts out there. I didn't grow up in an area with a significant Muslim community so I don't think there were any in my troop, but I remember enough from my various handbooks to know they would have been welcome.

There might be an Abrahamic preference, but I believe members of other, non-Abrahamic faiths would have been welcome as well (I'm not so certain of this as for Abrahamic theists, but fairly sure).


My troop had Jews, Hindus, atheists, agnostics and even homosexuals. Really, regardless of the national rules, each troop is only as cooky as the local Scoutmaster (or the local church that pulls his strings) wants to be. I don't think my troop got a lot from our church other than a room to hold meetings in, but even if they were giving us oodles and oodles of money, they wouldn't have cared.
I guess if the gay kid in my troop had been outspoken about it, somebody higher up might have take notice, but it always seemed like there were several levels of rational people you had to go through before you found a crackpot.
 
2012-07-25 08:42:40 AM  

Baloo Uriza: Gold Award. I know this because my high school sweetheart earned it. Then promptly joined the Explorers and got a job at the same Boy Scout camp I worked at.


Oh man, I feel sorry for her then. There was a girl from an explorer post working at the scout camp I went to one year. She put up with a LOT of shiat.
 
2012-07-25 08:45:18 AM  
Hey I've got an idea, If you feel that the Scouts are wrong and still think that they have a good program why don't you join as an adult leader or start a new pack/troop? Change it from the inside. Or if thats not good enough you could start a new youth organization in you area that has the rules set the way you want them. In other words, If you don't like it do something to change it. The youth of today need something other than video games and TVs in their lives. They need to get outside more and explore nature. Go make a difference in some child's life and show them that there is more to life than the digital realm. As for values, everyone has a different set and you are sure to step on someones toes. I like the fact that in my son's troop they allow the kids to lose with dignity. Sometimes if you don't work hard enough for something you don't get a ribbon or trophy but you will get praise for trying and help on improving your performance. Personally, allof the adult leaders and even the paid scouters I know have a DADT attitude.

In the end It is all about helping boys to grow up to be responsible men and to have fun along the way.
 
2012-07-25 08:49:03 AM  
I am an Eagle Scout, and if and when I have a son they will not be in Scouts at all because of this policy on the BSA's part. I feel a lot of the problem comes from the fact that Mormon troops, unlike most of the other ones affiliated with Protestant churches, only take Mormon youth. They run it as their teen program for boys -- from my understanding girls get put into a separate program run entirely by the church -- and the money from all those Mormon-only troops goes a long way in BSA circles.

My troop was run out of a Methodist church, and I was never made to feel like I was unwelcome. I even have my religious award because the youth pastor of that church wanted to make sure all the kids were included without being proselytized to. It makes me sad that not everyone has that experience, and that institutionally the BSA has become a bastion of bigotry.
 
2012-07-25 08:55:11 AM  

ghare: Fark_Guy_Rob: .. Nobody is born acting on homosexual urges...

Actual scientific research says you are simply wrong.


I guess there's some female-on-female genital contact inherent to the birthing process for about 50% of the population, but hopefully nobody thinks that's sexual in nature. Besides, girls aren't allowed in the Boy Scouts anyhow.

The BSA is stupid for having a policy that disallows "active" homosexuals from joining, but that doesn't mean that a "born that way" argument isn't just as stupid in this context. Even if you were born gay, the BSA doesn't mind if you keep it in your pants.
 
2012-07-25 08:58:23 AM  

STRYPERSWINE: Here's a group that only exists to do good deeds and people attack them because of one of their private beliefs. Unbelievable. Yeah let's attack the ahoy Scouts. Great idea.


Personally I openly and proudly criticize any group that promotes and endorses hate. Especially when it is a formal policy.
 
2012-07-25 08:59:17 AM  

BronyMedic: Really, if you want to be blaming someone for being immortal


OK, say what you want about the gays, but I simply won't condone an immortal joining the scouts. It's a safety issue really. Troop meetings, that sort of thing, are usually on holy ground, but the second you go on a camping trip, those kids are going to be trying to cut off each others' heads.
 
2012-07-25 09:03:55 AM  

matrygg: I am an Eagle Scout, and if and when I have a son they will not be in Scouts at all because of this policy on the BSA's part. I feel a lot of the problem comes from the fact that Mormon troops, unlike most of the other ones affiliated with Protestant churches, only take Mormon youth. They run it as their teen program for boys -- from my understanding girls get put into a separate program run entirely by the church -- and the money from all those Mormon-only troops goes a long way in BSA circles.

My troop was run out of a Methodist church, and I was never made to feel like I was unwelcome. I even have my religious award because the youth pastor of that church wanted to make sure all the kids were included without being proselytized to. It makes me sad that not everyone has that experience, and that institutionally the BSA has become a bastion of bigotry.


Me too. Our troop was based out of a presbyterian church and we had jews and catholics. Everyone (except the agnostics) were encouraged to get their faith medals. My brother and I both got our Ad Altare Dei medals. I only made the rank of Star, but I think that had more to do with the fact that my brother made Eagle and went to his ceremony on acid.

I had 3 sons, and they all went into Cub Scouts. Only one went into Boy Scouts, but his heart was never into it.
 
2012-07-25 09:04:21 AM  
Were the policies that you disagree with in place when you earned the award?

They were?

Then shut up. You were willing to associate with them when you were working towards one of their highest honors. Don't decieve yourself in to thinking that you have some kind of moral high ground now by throwing that honor back in their face.

You joined them, remember?
 
2012-07-25 09:13:00 AM  
Because he's an Eagle Scout, but somehow in all his time in the scouts he never realised that it's a private organization devoted to God and Country, and as such, can bar anyone they want, and have, prior to his Eagle Scout rank being attained.

How farking clueless does one need to be? farking Hell.
 
2012-07-25 09:19:02 AM  

HoityToity: Were the policies that you disagree with in place when you earned the award?

They were?

Then shut up. You were willing to associate with them when you were working towards one of their highest honors. Don't decieve yourself in to thinking that you have some kind of moral high ground now by throwing that honor back in their face.

You joined them, remember?


I really don't understand this argument. You do know you have to be under 18 to earn your Eagle badge right? How many people gave a shiat about gay people that young? I know i didn't.

I earned my Eagle badge at the age of 17 and while i don't agree with their policies, i don't plan on returning my badge. Mostly because there are those within the BSA that are fighting the good fight. I don't remember his name, but there is one guy on the council that is trying to reform the anti-gay rules that exist in the BSA. I think its a much better idea to fight from the inside than just give up and hand it all in.
 
2012-07-25 09:19:03 AM  

BronyMedic: Baloo Uriza: BronyMedic: We know that sexual assault and instances of molestation and sexual abuse by women are not only vastly under-reported, but that there is an active culture in society which makes this an acceptable thing if the victim is an adolescent boy.

Hence, every teacher molestation thread ever where the linked article includes a mugshot also tends to have commentary from subby on whether or not you would hit it.

You're talking about a website which actively promotes the belief that not only can teenage boys and men not be raped, but they want it all the time, and they should just be thankful they got some ass rather than feel used and violated.


Well, it is a pretty accurate cross section of society, if not at it's most crass.
 
2012-07-25 09:19:59 AM  
I am an Eagle Scout. I was Senior Patrol leader from the age of 13 through 17. I volunteered at our local cub packs and soup kitchens as a scout. I was credited with reviving our troop with an influx of members when we almost lost our charter. I organized all merit badge workshops for our patrol. I led all expeditions while camping. I delegated all troop responsibility and ran every meeting. I tried to live my life according to the scout law, as scouting was always a safe haven for me and my friends. I knew that gays were not allowed in scouts, but I never knew how unapologetically bigoted the motivations were. I am very proud of the years of work I put in to become an Eagle Scout. I am no longer proud of the organization that bestows that honor. The Boy Scouts of America would have us believe that homosexuals are immoral, predatory degenerates, I tend not to agree. I don't think my boyfriend would either.
 
2012-07-25 09:22:10 AM  

matrygg: I am an Eagle Scout, and if and when I have a son they will not be in Scouts at all because of this policy on the BSA's part. I feel a lot of the problem comes from the fact that Mormon troops, unlike most of the other ones affiliated with Protestant churches, only take Mormon youth. They run it as their teen program for boys -- from my understanding girls get put into a separate program run entirely by the church -- and the money from all those Mormon-only troops goes a long way in BSA circles.

My troop was run out of a Methodist church, and I was never made to feel like I was unwelcome. I even have my religious award because the youth pastor of that church wanted to make sure all the kids were included without being proselytized to. It makes me sad that not everyone has that experience, and that institutionally the BSA has become a bastion of bigotry.


I feel the exact same way. My troop was not affiliated with the church, but we definitely stood out like a sore thumb at different outings from the multitude of Mormon troops. We never talked about gay people or really even religion, probably the reason i stayed in Boy Scouts till i got my Eagle. I was always constantly amazed how many Mormon boy scouts got their Eagles, the rate was so high in some troops that it almost diminished the honor of earning it for me.
 
2012-07-25 09:25:08 AM  

A Fark Handle: ununcle: A Fark Handle: ununcle: As a heterosexual male, could I coach the local high school cheer leading team? You bet your ass I could. I would be the best freakin high school cheer leading team coach there ever was.

turns out you can and could because no national cheer organization is banning you.

Can I take them in the woods? This conversation proves there's an agenda.

can you take your daughter's/son's cheer/soccer/basketball/baseball/softball team across state lines to a regional tournament? yes. can you stay in the same hotel as that whole team? yes. does that prove there's an agenda?

/why are the woods so scary in your eyes?


I think he's watched Deliverance too many times. Or was molested by a pedophile as a child.
 
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