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2012-07-25 02:00:11 AM
Bigotry is as bad as it gets. This is a really simple situation. If you promote or allow bigotry, you're a farking idiot. If you don't, congrats, whatever your flaws, you're at least not THAT stupid.
 
2012-07-25 02:01:08 AM

ununcle: A Fark Handle: ununcle: As a heterosexual male, could I coach the local high school cheer leading team? You bet your ass I could. I would be the best freakin high school cheer leading team coach there ever was.

turns out you can and could because no national cheer organization is banning you.

Can I take them in the woods? This conversation proves there's an agenda.


can you take your daughter's/son's cheer/soccer/basketball/baseball/softball team across state lines to a regional tournament? yes. can you stay in the same hotel as that whole team? yes. does that prove there's an agenda?

/why are the woods so scary in your eyes?
 
2012-07-25 02:04:08 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: And if the Boy Scouts have policies where a adult is alone with a child then they have bigger things to worry about than openly gay people.


This.
 
2012-07-25 02:05:16 AM

BronyMedic: spamdog: I know you're already copping a lot of heat in this thread, but I wanted to know if there's any real scientific backing for this. I always thought this was a bit of popular wisdom that isn't actually true.

UC Davis Psych department has a rather long dissertation on the topic.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

There are some within the psychology community that argue pedophilia should garner it's own label as a sexual orientation, rather than being treated as a separate paraphilia independant of sexual orientation. The reason for this is that it doesn't fit under any of the currently established criteria for heterosexuality, bisexuality, or homosexuality. Pedophilic attraction is unique - each person who suffers from it is attracted to a specific age range, and a specific sex of child. Even then, their adult sexual attractions can be completely different. There are many pedophiles who target boys who identify as straight, for example.

This is not to justify it as a legitimate and harmless sexual orientation, but rather to simplify the classification of it, and it should be noted that it is completely different than traditional sexual orientation, which involves relationships between two or more consenting teenage or of-age parties.


Yeah. You know the problem with that is the key phrase "some withing the psychology community." Leaving aside the news that it is a community versus some psychologists or some researchers the problem is that in any given year there are some within the psychological "community" that believe any number of things that next year or next decade are determined to be complete crap. I wouldn't be surprised if there are "some" somewhere that still think Freud was right just as there are "some" people who think the world is literally flat. Nothing makes any of those statements particularly relevant beyond the fact that "some" people are also all the time coming up with great ideas while stoned.
 
2012-07-25 02:05:33 AM
Boing Boing writer Maggie Koerth-Baker Boobiesed a story about how her husband, Christopher Baker, a former Eagle Scout, returned his medal to the Boy Scouts of America.

Yeah, I'm sure being married to an obnoxious naggy ultra liberal woman had no impact on his decision....

"Have you sent the medal back yet?!"
"I don't really want to, it took me a long time to get it...."
"SEND IT BACK!! SEND IT NOW!! I WANT TO WRITE MY STORY!!"

As far as the boy scouts, I'm sure they couldn't care less. After the pedophilia incidents they had a few years pack they wouldn't touch a gay with a ten foot pole wrapped in a condom.
 
2012-07-25 02:05:47 AM

A Fark Handle: /why are the woods so scary in your eyes?


I presume it's because of the increased privacy and lack of unrelated bystanders. Do you really believe that a school group staying in a hotel and a group of campers in the woods is typically equivalent? I mean, I'm not on the BSA's side here, but even I can see the difference.
 
2012-07-25 02:08:21 AM

Slives: I greatly enjoyed Scouting as a kid and would like to get my son into it next year. I really hope I can find a troop that at least takes a neutral position on this. Been trying very hard to not teach him any bigotry and I sure don't need it coming from an organization I am encouraging him to join.


There are non-discriminatory troops. I used to work with a woman who's son was a scout, and when she would beg for money she would always highlight that his was a non-discriminatory troop. Nice lady. Nice kid.
 
2012-07-25 02:08:41 AM

BronyMedic: Biological Ali: jimk777: All I said was that by definition being gay is males having sex with males and straight is males having sex only with females.

That's not what being gay is, unless this is a "definition" that you've just made up.

Man, it would blow his mind to learn that there are straight men who engage in anal and oral sex with other men, and enjoy anal sex from a replica phallus worn by their partner.


Yes, and they are called either bi in the first place or simply kinky in the second. The first is not straight and the second is. I know it's hard to understand but give it a try.
 
2012-07-25 02:10:49 AM

BronyMedic: jimk777: Really, go ahead, describe for us what sexual orientation means if it does not mean what gender you are attracted to? You're going to seriously argue it's about what music you like or how you like to dance or what food you like to eat? Notice I am refraining from giving examples of the obvious gay lifestyle stereotypes instead. I hate to tell you this but being gay is not that special. It's about nothing but sexual orientation. Or, are you just a hopeless romantic and upset because I simplified it by describing it as sex and didn't include any romance?

You do realize that you can be a straight male, attracted to women, and have a paraphilic attraction to oral or anal sex with another male (cuckolding fetish), or to being penetrated by a phallic object strapped to your female partner (pegging), right?

You can also be a gay man, and regularly engage in heterosexual intercorse with a female partner, and be arroused and achieve orgasm, as most gay men do for years before admitting their orientation to themselves and others.


What? So a Cockold, is straight and a gay guy is straight, and a chick sporting pentagram tattoos burned into her nipples is Christian as long as you catch them on the right day? Whew!!!!
 
2012-07-25 02:10:57 AM
is the fark award the "bend-over" or the "reach-around"?
 
2012-07-25 02:11:59 AM
jimk777: Yeah. You know the problem with that is the key phrase "some withing the psychology community." Leaving aside the news that it is a community versus some psychologists or some researchers the problem is that in any given year there are some within the psychological "community" that believe any number of things that next year or next decade are determined to be complete crap. I wouldn't be surprised if there are "some" somewhere that still think Freud was right just as there are "some" people who think the world is literally flat. Nothing makes any of those statements particularly relevant beyond the fact that "some" people are also all the time coming up with great ideas while stoned.

The issue with that concern you're having is that there is a legitimate neurochemical and physiological basis to consider pedophilia a separate sexual orientation, which would be completely different than gender or emotional-based orientations, such as homosexuality.

As the article says, there are many pedophiles who never develop an adult sexual orientation or develop an incomplete one.

The problem is, like those orientations, rewiring a pedophile to not be attracted to children may prove to be impossible without physically altering the brain structure at the neuronal level, and as you well know, that's beyond modern technology. And unlike adult sexual orientations, this is a pathological and immensely destructive impulse to act on.
 
2012-07-25 02:12:58 AM

jimk777: I always find it humorous how so many activists try to pretend rape is all about power and not also about sex. Self evidently it requires both. Rape or pedophilia is not just some power trip that has nothing to do with sex. Both are also part of a failure in a normal sex drive. Yes, some rapes can be all about power and punishing some woman for example but sex is still involved even in those situations and just because some are mostly about power does not mean all are. It is grossly simplistic to think all rapes occur for the same reason. I think it's pretty idiotic to think for example that most prison rapes are all about power and not about sex. The person being raped could obviously have been beaten or punished in some other manner if the person doing it was not also enjoying the sex aspect of it. The problem is I suppose from the activist point of view they don't want to talk about a screwed up sex drive versus making it into some clinical power problem and pretending sex has nothing to do with it. Like most things sex spans a spectrum of good and bad. Sex is not automatically good and yes, rape and pedophilia are a depraved part of human sexuality. Pretending otherwise is just a joke.

Pedophilia could also include seduction of a child and there are pedophiles who think they actually love the children. That doesn't make it any less of a crime.


Great post, rarely see this sex vs. power issue brought up.

Also, great link BronyMedic. I did read it. Although it's making a case that homosexuals aren't more likely to sexually abuse children, it's obvious that pedophile orientations do not mirror adult sexual orientations.
 
2012-07-25 02:13:07 AM
I'm an Eagle Scout, and I'll return my medal and patch if and when the BSA ever decides to forgo its principles as a private, voluntary organization in favor of political correctness based on choices made by a particular group of people. So for now, I'll be keeping them.
 
2012-07-25 02:13:47 AM
ununcle: What? So a Cockold, is straight and a gay guy is straight, and a chick sporting pentagram tattoos burned into her nipples is Christian as long as you catch them on the right day? Whew!!!!

It means sexuality is complicated, and that labeling someone based on the fact they take a cock in the ass is ignorant, and ignores the developmental, neurochemical and physiological complexities which define sexual orientation.
 
2012-07-25 02:13:51 AM

VendorXeno: Bigotry is as bad as it gets


Bullshiat. There's worse things in this world than bigotry. Not everyone in this world can be forced to act like they like you. If you want more people to like you, try being a better person.

Maybe more people would trust gays if a few more of them were less slutty and predatory and outrageous than they have been for years.
 
2012-07-25 02:14:10 AM
The Boy Scouts are acting like gayrods.
 
2012-07-25 02:14:33 AM
I didn't need the scouts to teach me how to camp, start fires, fish, swim, be a good citizen, help my neighbor, be prepared or any of their other scout sayings.

I had a Dad.... that and I thought the Scouts were stupid, and gay.

My Dad did not teach me to like or dislike groups of people but rather an individual for their actions.

I may not personally like that Jack is Gay... but Jack is one hell of a mechanic so I can see past what I see is a personal choice I do not agree with and pay Jack to work on my truck. But that does not mean that I agree that Jack should not be a Scout leader. If Jack is a good Scout leader and can leave his personal life out of Scouts then sure. But Jack is not going to bring his "friend" to Scouting events. Jack must teach about Scouting and Scouting alone. If he can't do that then Jack can not be a scout leader... Same goes for straight Scout leaders or any adult who mentors children. I had a baseball coach who used to tell us about how he'd come home to his wife screwing the neighbor or some random guy before practices and games. We were 13... we didn't need to hear that or care.

We as a society have become far too personal. We know entirely too much about each other now. The less I know about people the more I like them.

Think about it... 40 years ago people pissed and moaned about someone reading their diary, their inner most thoughts. NOW... people piss and moan about nobody reading their blog.... their inner most thoughts.
 
2012-07-25 02:14:48 AM

Alleyoop: Don't like it? Go start your own club and leave ours alone.


We'll leave yours alone when it's 100% self-funded.
 
2012-07-25 02:14:55 AM

A Fark Handle: ununcle: A Fark Handle: ununcle: As a heterosexual male, could I coach the local high school cheer leading team? You bet your ass I could. I would be the best freakin high school cheer leading team coach there ever was.

turns out you can and could because no national cheer organization is banning you.

Can I take them in the woods? This conversation proves there's an agenda.

can you take your daughter's/son's cheer/soccer/basketball/baseball/softball team across state lines to a regional tournament? yes. can you stay in the same hotel as that whole team? yes. does that prove there's an agenda?

/why are the woods so scary in your eyes?


Because there the farking woods. Did you not see lions and tigers and bears?
 
2012-07-25 02:16:14 AM

uatuba: I'm an Eagle Scout, and I'll return my medal and patch if and when the BSA ever decides to forgo its principles as a private, voluntary organization in favor of political correctness based on choices made by a particular group of people. So for now, I'll be keeping them.


It gets federal funding. It's not really a private organization, is it?
 
2012-07-25 02:16:48 AM

BronyMedic: jimk7


BronyMedic: jimk777: Really, go ahead, describe for us what sexual orientation means if it does not mean what gender you are attracted to? You're going to seriously argue it's about what music you like or how you like to dance or what food you like to eat? Notice I am refraining from giving examples of the obvious gay lifestyle stereotypes instead. I hate to tell you this but being gay is not that special. It's about nothing but sexual orientation. Or, are you just a hopeless romantic and upset because I simplified it by describing it as sex and didn't include any romance?

You do realize that you can be a straight male, attracted to women, and have a paraphilic attraction to oral or anal sex with another male (cuckolding fetish), or to being penetrated by a phallic object strapped to your female partner (pegging), right?

You can also be a gay man, and regularly engage in heterosexual intercorse with a female partner, and be arroused and achieve orgasm, as most gay men do for years before admitting their orientation to themselves and others.


Again it simply means you're bi. You're trying to make it more complex than it really is. There are degrees to everything and all types of fetishes. Being bi for example does not have to mean equally attracted to the same forms of sex with the same frequency with all partners. Your big difficulty is you are trying to use the latest definition of whichever school of psychology you follow in a lay forum with lay terms. Got news for you though. A guy who likes occasional oral or anal sex with another male whether a female is present or not is pretty much the exact definition of the word bi for the general population.
 
2012-07-25 02:19:57 AM

jimk777: Aussie_As: jimk777: heap: jimk777: Okay so he's bi. Either that or closeted for 45 years which sounds a lot more likely.

or maybe he's a goddamned pedophile.

I haven't read anything about Sandusky having sex with little girls. This probably is too difficult a concept for you to handle but age has nothing to do with gender. Sandusky is a gay or bi pedophile. Pedophilia is simply the form of sex he wants not the gender he wants it with.

Pedophilia, like rape, is non-consensual. It's not about sex. It's about violation and power. Mixing it up with a regular discussion about homosexuality is simply offensive to all non-pedophiles and non-rapists, because what you say about gay men and boys would by definition apply to straight men and girls.

Umm, yes it clearly does apply to straights equally. I've already said that. The funny thing is you are so defensive about gays that you can't even admit in a public forum that Sandusky is gay. By definition if gays are normal people then some are bad. And yeah, pedophilia and rape are really also about sex. That's sort of what Sandusky was doing in the shower.

I always find it humorous how so many activists try to pretend rape is all about power and not also about sex. Self evidently it requires both. Rape or pedophilia is not just some power trip that has nothing to do with sex. Both are also part of a failure in a normal sex drive. Yes, some rapes can be all about power and punishing some woman for example but sex is still involved even in those situations and just because some are mostly about power does not mean all are. It is grossly simplistic to think all rapes occur for the same reason. I think it's pretty idiotic to think for example that most prison rapes are all about power and not about sex. The person being raped could obviously have been beaten or punished in some other manner if the person doing it was not also enjoying the sex aspect of it. The problem is I suppose from the activist point of view they don't wan ...


I honestly have no idea if Sandusky is gay or straight or whatever. My comment was based on his long-standing marriage (could be closetted), and the fact that none of the college-age footballers he would have spent hours and hours with have suggested he ever came onto them, which you'd expect if he was gay. He's a pedophile, we can agree, and as a respected football coach he had much more access to boys than girls. Your "evidence" that he is gay because he targetted little boys is oversimplstic rubbish though, and the arguments why this is the case have been well spelled out, particularly the linked article debunking common myths about gays. I maintain rape is about power. Bashing someone and raping them are both about power, only the latter is probably far more effective in humiliating and demeaning the victim.
 
2012-07-25 02:20:22 AM

BronyMedic: The amount of your life you spend earning that Eagle Scout medal is incredible


Speaking as an ex-scout, it's about 4-5 years of your spare time. I dunno if I'd call it "incredible", the amount of effort doesn't even come close to what's required to get a degree or hold down a job. Admittedly I do still keep the card around, so there's that. Like most of us I have not a damned clue where the medal and badge are, though. Possibly my parents still have 'em, but they've moved since as well so who knows. I couldn't return them if I wanted to.

What I'm saying here is that it's maybe not quite so big a deal for most of us as you're making it out to be. I mean, it's cool, and getting to do big volunteer projects and such is good experience, but it's not some major identity-defining experience that alters the very substance of your soul we're talking about here, it's a social club for kids that does some community service and keeps them out of their parents' hair for a night or two a week.

//"ex scout" because when you hit 18, you're out, Eagle or not. It's one of the few rules that's really universal (the anti-gay thing is not, I frankly didn't know that was an official position at all until recently).

//Someone who brings up their scout rank without prompting as an adult is one of those creepy people that probably keep their high school sports trophies and won't shut the hell up about that time their junior high football team almost made state, too. So I'm assuming the people in the article are relatively young for the sake of my faith in humanity.
 
2012-07-25 02:20:41 AM

WeenerGord: VendorXeno: Bigotry is as bad as it gets

Bullshiat. There's worse things in this world than bigotry. Not everyone in this world can be forced to act like they like you. If you want more people to like you, try being a better person.

Maybe more people would trust gays if a few more of them were less slutty and predatory and outrageous than they have been for years.


If they didn't like "gays" because of their behavior, instead of being gay, it wouldn't be bigotry. But it's very, very clear that you're either a troll of a farking retard.
 
2012-07-25 02:21:28 AM
A guy who likes occasional oral or anal sex with another male whether a female is present or not is pretty much the exact definition of the word bi for the general population.


Yeah... Gay.
 
2012-07-25 02:23:25 AM
WeenerGord:

No, seriously, you a shiat little shiat man.
 
2012-07-25 02:23:55 AM

uatuba: I'm an Eagle Scout, and I'll return my medal and patch if and when the BSA ever decides to forgo its principles as a private, voluntary organization in favor of political correctness based on choices made by a particular group of people. So for now, I'll be keeping them.


You sound like a pussy.
 
2012-07-25 02:26:09 AM

DempseySR26: Funny the people here calling the scouts bigots are bigots against Christians. Hypocrites.


um, why would they be bigots against Christians. just morons. not all Christians think the same way, and in the case of the BSA, it shows not all of them even think.
 
2012-07-25 02:26:33 AM
jimk777: Again it simply means you're bi

No, it does not. It means you enjoy a paraphilia. Paraphilia =/= Sexual Orientation. They are two different concepts.

jimk777: You're trying to make it more complex than it really is.

Because it is complicated. There are entire journals devoted to the study of human sexuality and sexual orientation.

jimk777: There are degrees to everything and all types of fetishes. Being bi for example does not have to mean equally attracted to the same forms of sex with the same frequency with all partners.

Being bisexual is not a paraphilia.

jimk777: Your big difficulty is you are trying to use the latest definition of whichever school of psychology you follow in a lay forum with lay terms. Got news for you though. A guy who likes occasional oral or anal sex with another male whether a female is present or not is pretty much the exact definition of the word bi for the general population.

Holy crap, you're a pretentious little example of Dunning-Kruger. Psychiatry and Neuroscience are evolving, changing sciences. Our understanding of sexuality and the biological and psychological basis of it have changed dramatically in the last 10 years, even. It does not matter what the general public calls something if it is factually incorrect.

Just because you repeat something over and over, doesn't make it any more true than the first time you repeated it.
 
2012-07-25 02:27:08 AM

WeenerGord: [hateful derp]


I've seen you in hundreds of threads and you've always seemed sane before today. Recovering from a severe head injury, or what?
 
2012-07-25 02:27:48 AM

WeenerGord: Maybe more people would trust gays if a few more of them were less slutty and predatory and outrageous than they have been for years.


Most pedos of male children are straight. Hahaha, you have been trusting straight guys to your son!
 
2012-07-25 02:28:59 AM
Sabyen91: WeenerGord: Maybe more people would trust gays if a few more of them were less slutty and predatory and outrageous than they have been for years.

Most pedos of male children are straight. Hahaha, you have been trusting straight guys to your son!


They also tend to be overwhelmingly close family members or family friends who are trusted by the victim's family.
 
2012-07-25 02:29:06 AM

gadian: uatuba: I'm an Eagle Scout, and I'll return my medal and patch if and when the BSA ever decides to forgo its principles as a private, voluntary organization in favor of political correctness based on choices made by a particular group of people. So for now, I'll be keeping them.

It gets federal funding. It's not really a private organization, is it?


Other than the fact that the BSA doesn't get federal funding, I guess you're right. The BSA gets to use facilities that are federally funded. I guess now that any private organizations who use the interstate highway system must relinquish their principles, because they're not really private any more, right?

Keep in mind, an LGBT event was held at the freaking Pentagon. That doesn't mean the event was federally funded, it simply means that the event was held at a federally funded facility. But if that's your hang up, I'm perfectly ok with the BSA no longer holding its jamborees at Fort AP Hill.
 
2012-07-25 02:29:37 AM

WeenerGord: VendorXeno: Bigotry is as bad as it gets

Bullshiat. There's worse things in this world than bigotry. Not everyone in this world can be forced to act like they like you. If you want more people to like you, try being a better person.

Maybe more people would trust gays if a few more of them were less slutty and predatory and outrageous than they have been for years.


You are a horrible human being, aren't you?
 
2012-07-25 02:29:59 AM

BronyMedic: Sabyen91: WeenerGord: Maybe more people would trust gays if a few more of them were less slutty and predatory and outrageous than they have been for years.

Most pedos of male children are straight. Hahaha, you have been trusting straight guys to your son!

They also tend to be overwhelmingly close family members or family friends who are trusted by the victim's family.


Poor, poor Weenergord.
 
2012-07-25 02:30:06 AM

BronyMedic: ununcle: What? So a Cockold, is straight and a gay guy is straight, and a chick sporting pentagram tattoos burned into her nipples is Christian as long as you catch them on the right day? Whew!!!!

It means sexuality is complicated, and that labeling someone based on the fact they take a cock in the ass is ignorant, and ignores the developmental, neurochemical and physiological complexities which define sexual orientation.


I must say, that's one of the more thought out and well versed responses on fark I've seen in a long long time. Your good.
 
2012-07-25 02:31:19 AM

VendorXeno: But it's very, very clear that you're either a troll of a farking retard.


If that's all you got, you are the one who is too stupid to clearly express an opinion. Assuming you even have one.
 
2012-07-25 02:31:40 AM

ununcle: Because there the farking woods. Did you not see lions and tigers and bears?


shiat! there are lions and tigers in the woods? then no one should ever enter the wood ever.

untaken_name: I presume it's because of the increased privacy and lack of unrelated bystanders. Do you really believe that a school group staying in a hotel and a group of campers in the woods is typically equivalent? I mean, I'm not on the BSA's side here, but even I can see the difference.


yeah, that's some silly shiat. privacy is privacy. hell most kids would likely be more familiar in a hotel room rather than the scary woods with new sounds and what not.
 
2012-07-25 02:32:46 AM
WeenerGord: VendorXeno: But it's very, very clear that you're either a troll of a farking retard.

If that's all you got, you are the one who is too stupid to clearly express an opinion. Assuming you even have one.


Ah, the I'm rubber and you're glue defense. I applaud you for going with the classics, WeenerGord.
 
2012-07-25 02:33:34 AM
So if for personal or political reasons individuals reject organizations to which they used to belong, it's significant?

Because back when people were shredding their AARP cards and sending them back it was just a few people being 'petty' and 'stupid' and 'it didn't really matter'.

I was in the Boy Scouts as a kid, and over the years as an adult I've briefly encountered the Scouts again for short periods of time. What gets me about their flat out rejection of homosexuals being members is that they try to play up the Scouts as a bunch of good little Christian kids. All of my experience with them, kid or adult, has been that they were not quite juvenile delinquents and could only just be wrangled in to the actual Scout thing.

The funny thing is that at least some of the original "Scout Law" would seem to be highly agreeable to every liberal who isn't of the elitist type (IE, Obama type) as it encourages Scouts to disregard the concept of social class and rich/poor and to help people regardless, don't be a snob basically.
 
2012-07-25 02:34:40 AM

BronyMedic: jimk777: Yeah. You know the problem with that is the key phrase "some withing the psychology community." Leaving aside the news that it is a community versus some psychologists or some researchers the problem is that in any given year there are some within the psychological "community" that believe any number of things that next year or next decade are determined to be complete crap. I wouldn't be surprised if there are "some" somewhere that still think Freud was right just as there are "some" people who think the world is literally flat. Nothing makes any of those statements particularly relevant beyond the fact that "some" people are also all the time coming up with great ideas while stoned.

The issue with that concern you're having is that there is a legitimate neurochemical and physiological basis to consider pedophilia a separate sexual orientation, which would be completely different than gender or emotional-based orientations, such as homosexuality.

As the article says, there are many pedophiles who never develop an adult sexual orientation or develop an incomplete one.

The problem is, like those orientations, rewiring a pedophile to not be attracted to children may prove to be impossible without physically altering the brain structure at the neuronal level, and as you well know, that's beyond modern technology. And unlike adult sexual orientations, this is a pathological and immensely destructive impulse to act on.



I hear what you are saying but at this point that is not proven versus simply a hypothesis with some evidence. That simply means it could be considered but not that it is at all necessarily the final answer. The problem in all of this is that people try to tie things up in neat little boxes and human sex and the human sex drive is not even remotely like that. Where does pedophilia stop and underage sex begin for example and why would anyone think all pedophiles are the same? All you can really say at this point is they have a screwed up sex drive and listing it as a third orientation may be true in some cases but that's still way up in the air and in any case unlikely to be true for all or that simplistic. The real issue here is that activists of any type are incredibly defensive for often good reason. The problem is that as gays have rapidly gained mainstream acceptance, gay activists have to make the same change the black community did and stop trying to cover up or hide anything bad by someone who is gay just because they think it will just be used to attack them. Now it just starts to make them look like there either lying or idiots when they try to hide it. At least for now in lay terms the only orientations are gay, straight or bi. In that sense by definition Sandusky is either gay or bi. I didn't bring up Sandusky. I only jumped in because I found it funny how the activist types were trying to avoid at all costs considering him gay versus simply saying that just because he is gay does not mean the average gay is any more likely to have sex with boys than the average straight male is going to have sex with girls.
 
2012-07-25 02:37:01 AM

blahpers: WeenerGord: VendorXeno: Bigotry is as bad as it gets

Bullshiat. There's worse things in this world than bigotry. Not everyone in this world can be forced to act like they like you. If you want more people to like you, try being a better person.

Maybe more people would trust gays if a few more of them were less slutty and predatory and outrageous than they have been for years.

You are a horrible human being, aren't you?


Sabyen91: BronyMedic: Sabyen91: WeenerGord: Maybe more people would trust gays if a few more of them were less slutty and predatory and outrageous than they have been for years.

Most pedos of male children are straight. Hahaha, you have been trusting straight guys to your son!

They also tend to be overwhelmingly close family members or family friends who are trusted by the victim's family.

Poor, poor Weenergord.


It's sadly but obviously true, Weenergord is a ridiculous stain on society.
 
2012-07-25 02:39:14 AM

randomjsa: Because back when people were shredding their AARP cards and sending them back it was just a few people being 'petty' and 'stupid' and 'it didn't really matter'.


Comparing AARP cards to being a freaking Eagle Scout. I like it.
 
2012-07-25 02:39:49 AM

jimk777: I didn't bring up Sandusky. I only jumped in because I found it funny how the activist types were trying to avoid at all costs considering him gay....


because he's not gay or straight. he's a pedo. they are kiddy-diddlers. that's all...
 
2012-07-25 02:41:25 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: WeenerGord: [hateful derp]

I've seen you in hundreds of threads and you've always seemed sane before today. Recovering from a severe head injury, or what?


Are you are serious? Do you actually know anything about gays? Maybe you should do some reading. Very many gays are into power play, abuse, S&M. B&D, the list is endless. Pick up a tell all book, read a news story. Did you read upthread where bigstoopidbruce mentioned Jesse Dirkhising? why don't you search that name and read the horrible thing that happened to that poor kid. Do you know about bug chasers, gays who try to catch AIDS to prove how gay they are? If you were gay and cared about other gays, why would you wish that on them?

And I'm a bad person for agreeing that the BSA can keep out the openly gay if they want to? Fark all ya'll who don't care if kids might be harmed just because YOU want to boast about how cool and open and non-bigoted you are. Maybe when you grow up you will learn better sense.
 
2012-07-25 02:42:42 AM

WeenerGord: Fluorescent Testicle: WeenerGord: [hateful derp]

I've seen you in hundreds of threads and you've always seemed sane before today. Recovering from a severe head injury, or what?

Are you are serious? Do you actually know anything about gays? Maybe you should do some reading. Very many gays are into power play, abuse, S&M. B&D, the list is endless. Pick up a tell all book, read a news story. Did you read upthread where bigstoopidbruce mentioned Jesse Dirkhising? why don't you search that name and read the horrible thing that happened to that poor kid. Do you know about bug chasers, gays who try to catch AIDS to prove how gay they are? If you were gay and cared about other gays, why would you wish that on them?

And I'm a bad person for agreeing that the BSA can keep out the openly gay if they want to? Fark all ya'll who don't care if kids might be harmed just because YOU want to boast about how cool and open and non-bigoted you are. Maybe when you grow up you will learn better sense.


So, the answer is yes, he was wrong to think you aren't an idiot.
 
2012-07-25 02:42:58 AM
Why cant gays start up there own boy scouts" ??
 
2012-07-25 02:45:11 AM

ununcle: Why cant gays start up there own boy scouts" ??


BSA isn't gay enough for everybody?
 
2012-07-25 02:45:26 AM

WeenerGord: re you are serious? Do you actually know anything about gays?


Do you? Oh wait...you "read" about "statistics." You must be smart.
 
2012-07-25 02:46:23 AM

Sabyen91: So, the answer is yes,


Got anything else BESIDES name calling? Cos if all you got is name calling, you got nothing.
 
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