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2012-07-25 01:30:12 AM

RadioAaron: untaken_name: Yes, but are straight men allowed to be girl scout troop leaders? I'm honestly asking here, because I have no idea.

I don't know, are women allowed to be Boy Scout leaders?

/No, seriously, I have no idea on either of these points
//I do know they're pretty equivalent


Yeah, I mean, that's kind of my point. Not allowing men to be girl scout troop leaders - that would likely stem from a desire to protect adolescent girls from the small subsection of straight males who are sexual predators. It's not saying that all straight men are predators - only that you can't always tell who is one. I believe it's the same rationale for not allowing openly gay men to be boy scout troop leaders. But what I don't know is whether it's a realistic precaution. I just believe that is the rationale, whether it's a good one or not.
 
2012-07-25 01:31:09 AM
STRYPERSWINE: Here's a group that only exists to do good deeds and people attack them because of one of their private beliefs. Unbelievable. Yeah let's attack the ahoy Scouts. Great idea.

Except they not only made those beliefs public, but instituted them as a matter of organizational policy.

Yes. I should feel sorry for them. Oh, poor, pitiful Scouts.
 
2012-07-25 01:31:33 AM
gay is about power too.

the only kind of relationship that's not about power is a loving relationship between a man and a woman

go and deny it
but power FEELS HOT
LIKE SEX SEX SEX
 
2012-07-25 01:32:11 AM

spamdog: And this - I'm yet to actually see any evidence that this is the norm.


Schiffer, 2008 & Chow 2002.
 
2012-07-25 01:32:51 AM

jimk777: The funny thing is you are so defensive about gays that you can't even admit in a public forum that Sandusky is gay.


That's like saying "You are so defensive about Vietnam that you can't even admit in a public forum that Sandusky is Vietnamese."

Repeating the same false thing over and over again doesn't make it true.
 
2012-07-25 01:33:26 AM

untaken_name: Yeah, I mean, that's kind of my point. Not allowing men to be girl scout troop leaders - that would likely stem from a desire to protect adolescent girls from the small subsection of straight males who are sexual predators. It's not saying that all straight men are predators - only that you can't always tell who is one. I believe it's the same rationale for not allowing openly gay men to be boy scout troop leaders. But what I don't know is whether it's a realistic precaution. I just believe that is the rationale, whether it's a good one or not.


Objectively speaking, fair enough.

Personally, I'd be more skeptical of the closeted "straight" guy looking to make his way in (pardon the pun) than an openly gay man.
 
2012-07-25 01:34:25 AM

ununcle: Fine, I just don't want you having that conversation with my kids. I'll do that thank you.


great. do that. but if they happen to ask another adult maybe it's because they sense your hostility to anything not bigoted. or maybe they sense your hatred of sexuality as a topic. scoutmasters aren't there to be sex ed instructors (trust me no adult wants to have that conversation sprung upon them by a random teen, especially one that's not their own). but it does take a village and if the home environment is hostile...
 
2012-07-25 01:35:41 AM
golem222:

So...should we tell 'em Scouts Canada doesn't give a shiat, or let him keep deluding himself?
 
2012-07-25 01:37:37 AM

untaken_name: RadioAaron: untaken_name: Yes, but are straight men allowed to be girl scout troop leaders? I'm honestly asking here, because I have no idea.

I don't know, are women allowed to be Boy Scout leaders?

/No, seriously, I have no idea on either of these points
//I do know they're pretty equivalent

Yeah, I mean, that's kind of my point. Not allowing men to be girl scout troop leaders - that would likely stem from a desire to protect adolescent girls from the small subsection of straight males who are sexual predators. It's not saying that all straight men are predators - only that you can't always tell who is one. I believe it's the same rationale for not allowing openly gay men to be boy scout troop leaders. But what I don't know is whether it's a realistic precaution. I just believe that is the rationale, whether it's a good one or not.


Those are two completely different situations. We know that women (in general) are less likely to commit certain kinds of crimes (including rape and sexual assault) than men (in general). So a preference for women over men may have some small practical benefit in that sense.

On the other hand, there is no evidence indicating that gay people are more likely to commit any kind of offense than straight people. As such, a preference for straight people over gay people would yield no benefit, and would be based on nothing more than misinformation or outright bigotry.
 
2012-07-25 01:39:44 AM
Biological Ali: Those are two completely different situations. We know that women (in general) are less likely to commit certain kinds of crimes (including rape and sexual assault) than men (in general). So a preference for women over men may have some small practical benefit in that sense.

No. We know that sexual assault and instances of molestation and sexual abuse by women are not only vastly under-reported, but that there is an active culture in society which makes this an acceptable thing if the victim is an adolescent boy.
 
2012-07-25 01:39:44 AM

ununcle: For thousands of years men (hetero) have not been able (legaly) to go out into the woods to teach a group of young girls how to rub sticks together to make heat.


Criticism of the quality of the Girl Scouts' program aside, want to know how I know you've never had anything to do with the Girl Scouts?
 
2012-07-25 01:40:46 AM

Slives: I greatly enjoyed Scouting as a kid and would like to get my son into it next year. I really hope I can find a troop that at least takes a neutral position on this. Been trying very hard to not teach him any bigotry and I sure don't need it coming from an organization I am encouraging him to join.


If you have a pet dog, why not let him join Dog Scouts of America instead?? They don't discriminate against LGBT, they only discriminate against people without dogs. ;-)
 
2012-07-25 01:41:19 AM

chiett: Obama is the honorary head of the BSA.


Highlighted the operative word for you there, Einstein.

/I'll stop feeding this one now.
//It amuses the hell out of me when they prove themselves wrong, though.
 
2012-07-25 01:41:43 AM

Dimensio: Then either you or Pumpernickel bread should be able to demonstrate that problems result from the British "Scout Association" due to that organization's failure to prohibit membership of homosexual individuals. Please do so.


Did you know that the founder of the original, British, Boy Scouts, Lord Baden-Powell, was probably a repressed homosexual?

upload.wikimedia.org

/advocating cold showers since 1908
 
2012-07-25 01:42:59 AM

ununcle: HeathenHealer: What's wrong with this? A gay man/woman is just as capable of having a "birds and bees" conversation with their kids (sorry if that came as a shock, but gay people DO have kids) as any other adult.

Man these threads make me depressed. I hope most of the ignorant posters are just trolls but I know in reality there's a lot of closed minded people out there. It's just so sad.

Fine, I just don't want you having that conversation with my kids. I'll do that thank you.


Sounds good. Oh, by the way, are you going to go into the schools and make sure that the teacher who's teaching sex-ed to your kids is straight?
 
2012-07-25 01:43:25 AM

HeathenHealer: What's wrong with this? A gay man/woman is just as capable of having a "birds and bees" conversation with their kids (sorry if that came as a shock, but gay people DO have kids) as any other adult.


Yeah, though Scouting isn't the time or place for that conversation. "Yeah, I'm not having this discussion. Go talk to your dad."
 
2012-07-25 01:44:10 AM

PhiloeBedoe: So, the organization in which grown men take young boys to frolic overnight in the woods and help sew things on their sashes, doesn't like gay people?


The really ironic part is the founder of Boy Scouts was, himself alleged to be gay. So there you go.
 
2012-07-25 01:44:23 AM

RadioAaron: I don't know, are women allowed to be Boy Scout leaders?


Yes, and I've seen some real hotties fill out a uniform.
 
2012-07-25 01:45:00 AM

A Fark Handle: ununcle: Pumpernickel bread: Being gay isn't a choice and gay adults should be able to do whatever they want with other gay adults...including get married, but I think the Boy Scouts are right here. Those that want to allow gay men to go out into the woods with preteen and teen boys seem perfectly willing to put the safety of these kids in peril in the name of political correctness. The simple truth of the matter is that if men that are known to be attracted to young men are put in a position of power over a group of them and then be permitted to take them out to secluded places, abuse of that power is bound to happen. 99% of gay men wanting to serve as scoutmasters would probably serve admirably, but undoubtedly there would be those looking to abuse that power for sexual gratification. The Jerry Sanduskys of the world would all be applying to be scoutmasters.

This,,
My daughter has a passion for photography/wedding planner/ have fun , and her first wedding was a gay one. She asked if I had a problem with that and I said no. I have no problem with gay people. I only have a problem with the "agenda' that wants to flip sexuality upside down where it's supposed to be appropriate for a gay man to be surrounded by teen boys in the middle of the woods, yet considered lunacy for a hetero male to be surrounded by teen girls in the woods. Neither one is appropriate. She understood.

you're a farking tard. so what should we do about school teachers? many of them interact with young adults of their various sexual persuasion. what about athletic coaches? what about men coaching girls' sport (long bus rides, position of authority, over night stay on road trips, etc)? thinking that a gay man is going to molest a boy is straight out bigotry. turns out that most pedos are outwardly and normatively "straight", they just happen to also be sick sick farks that deserve a shovel to the face.

/she just said that to shut your bigot mouth.


You sound angry. Gay people teach, and coach, heck some doctors and lawyers are of the cock persuasion. I don't care. You have me mixed up with someone who hates sex. I don't care if someone prefers what ever they prefer. What I believe is that if someone prefers something, then you don't gift wrap it for them. As a heterosexual male, could I coach the local high school cheer leading team? You bet your ass I could. I would be the best freakin high school cheer leading team coach there ever was. But, as fate has it,,,, I have no lobby in Wasington. Because people hate me. The only reason they won't let me coach these girls is because I'm straight.
 
2012-07-25 01:45:02 AM

BronyMedic: Biological Ali: Those are two completely different situations. We know that women (in general) are less likely to commit certain kinds of crimes (including rape and sexual assault) than men (in general). So a preference for women over men may have some small practical benefit in that sense.

No. We know that sexual assault and instances of molestation and sexual abuse by women are not only vastly under-reported, but that there is an active culture in society which makes this an acceptable thing if the victim is an adolescent boy.


Even if you account for under-reporting in the most generous manner you plausibly could, you wouldn't even come close to having parity between the two sexes on this.
 
2012-07-25 01:45:05 AM

Biological Ali: jimk777: Yeah, it's amazing to me how some people will on the one hand argue that gays are just normal people yet not accept that means that some are not good people either. I find it hilarious how gays or gay rights activists try to do anything to avoid the obvious point that Sandusky is either gay or bi. Yes he by definition is but so what? I just enjoy calling the activist types on their hypocrisy.

It pays to do a little research before making claims that fall outside one's own spheres of expertise. It can help one avoid making confident assertions that turn out to be laughably wrong.


It would be even more amazing if you could actually send a relevant link or understand what you read. Non of those ten myths address my comment. I never said gays were more likely to abuse, that all Nazis were gay or any of the other "myths". You just can't seem to accept that gays are not saints but simply normal people and that means some of them have to be bad. So, yes, Sandusky is gay or bi. It only means gender. Show me one example of Sandusky having sex with a little girl. You can't. Being a closeted gay or bi does not make Sandusky a criminal but just because he is a pedophile does not mean he is straight. He went after boys exclusively and not girls. That pretty much proves right there he was gay and nowhere am I saying there are more gay pedophiles than straight pedophiles. Outside of the Catholic church I'm sure there a lot more men having sex with underage girls than with underage boys but that does not make Sandusky any less gay.
 
2012-07-25 01:45:06 AM
Don't know if it's been pointed out yet...

One word on BSOA..

Webelo
 
2012-07-25 01:45:12 AM

kingmust64: It's not like (I will preface this with a huge MOST) they are teaching kids that "gay are bad, mmkay", they just, as a private club, decided not to allow openly gay members and leaders. Narrow line, but there it is.


THEY ARE.

You know what raises - considerably - support for gay rights? Knowing someone who is gay. That's why us young'uns support it far more than old people.

Creating an environment in which no "openly" gay person (and that worked SO WELL in the military didn't it) can join or serve is artificially creating a sheltered environment that either purposefully or not will lead more kids to think that being gay is a motherf--king choice.

Again, i was damn impressed when after a five year hiatus I went back to the Girl Scouts as a counselor - the gay directors, counselors, and older out already girls didn't have a pride parade march in the middle of camp, but also had no fear of accidentally mentioning their girlfriend and losing their job or counselor-in-training (older girls) status.

And if the Boy Scouts have policies where a adult is alone with a child then they have bigger things to worry about than openly gay people. For f--ks sake, if a girl woke me up at 2 AM too scared to go to the outhouse, she had to wake up her buddy before I could take them both. Firm rule. Multiple girls to a tent, multiple counselors in our own tent or cabin. I honestly think I was never alone with a girl for that entire summer - except maybe five minutes when a girl tripped and cut her leg as everyone else left lunch. The other counselor ran to get bleach to clean the floor as I patched her up. Five minutes max.

/On the plus side, after dealing with a grumpy as helllll buddy the first night they were woken up, by the end of the week I could generally sleep in peace.
 
2012-07-25 01:45:22 AM

Baloo Uriza: Yes, and I've seen some real hotties fill out a uniform.


PICS NOW U FOOL
 
2012-07-25 01:46:27 AM

jimk777: Non of those ten myths address my comment.


Read the first one more carefully. Seriously, read the whole thing. Get back to us when you're done.
 
2012-07-25 01:46:55 AM

BronyMedic: We know that sexual assault and instances of molestation and sexual abuse by women are not only vastly under-reported, but that there is an active culture in society which makes this an acceptable thing if the victim is an adolescent boy.


Hence, every teacher molestation thread ever where the linked article includes a mugshot also tends to have commentary from subby on whether or not you would hit it.
 
2012-07-25 01:47:38 AM
I'm just a bigoted redneck heterosexual male, so maybe I'm a little slow. Bear with me.

So any man who rapes boys is a pedophile but IS NOT GAY? Is that right?

While any man who rapes girls is, what, not straight?

I wonder if Jesse Dirkhising would like to be an Eagle Scout? Oh, wait, he's busy being dead after being repeatedly anally raped and then asphixiated by two men who, I'm sure, were NOT GAY.

Nobody is saying that every gay man is going to go after little boys and teen males. But that doesn't mean they need to sleep in the woods with them and be their role models. Ditto with "gay" teens, although how you'd tell a gay teen from any other confused horny teen I have no idea.

If you REALLY think that gay men should be leaders in Scouts, then you are either completely dishonest or just plain stupid. Dumb as a freaking post.
 
2012-07-25 01:48:00 AM

Biological Ali: Those are two completely different situations.


While true, I would like to point out that I specifically stated that I didn't know if it was a good rationale, only that I believed (and still do) that it was the rationale used to form the policy originally. Whether it should be changed or whether it's correct - that's a whole other discussion, and I don't think we'd disagree if we were to have that discussion.
 
2012-07-25 01:48:27 AM

Simonsezz: Don't know if it's been pointed out yet...

One word on BSOA..

Webelo


Webelos. Singular same as plural. It's an acronym.
 
2012-07-25 01:49:06 AM

CuttySupreme: I'm sick and tired of all this whining.


Then STFU!
 
2012-07-25 01:50:03 AM

bigstoopidbruce: I'm just a bigoted redneck heterosexual male, so maybe I'm a little slow.


Well, you got that much right.
 
2012-07-25 01:50:50 AM

RadioAaron: Baloo Uriza: Yes, and I've seen some real hotties fill out a uniform.

PICS NOW U FOOL


Sorry, photos I have are from the pre-digital days and I've already packed my negatives away for a pending move.

/Also got some crazy photos from when i got the nickname Baloo...I'm seeing irony considering I was a beanpole more on par with Akela...
 
2012-07-25 01:51:26 AM

Baloo Uriza: Simonsezz: Don't know if it's been pointed out yet...

One word on BSOA..

Webelo

Webelos. Singular same as plural. It's an acronym.


Yes, I know.

WE'll BE LOyal Scouts.

still blos though.
 
2012-07-25 01:51:41 AM

ununcle: As a heterosexual male, could I coach the local high school cheer leading team? You bet your ass I could. I would be the best freakin high school cheer leading team coach there ever was.


turns out you can and could because no national cheer organization is banning you.

/there's no national agenda to give gays more rights...
 
2012-07-25 01:51:43 AM

HeathenHealer: ununcle: HeathenHealer: What's wrong with this? A gay man/woman is just as capable of having a "birds and bees" conversation with their kids (sorry if that came as a shock, but gay people DO have kids) as any other adult.

Man these threads make me depressed. I hope most of the ignorant posters are just trolls but I know in reality there's a lot of closed minded people out there. It's just so sad.

Fine, I just don't want you having that conversation with my kids. I'll do that thank you.

Sounds good. Oh, by the way, are you going to go into the schools and make sure that the teacher who's teaching sex-ed to your kids is straight?


I didn't have to,,, are you gonna make sure the one who teaches yours is gay? Same question. I didn't have to. Do you?
 
2012-07-25 01:52:55 AM

CuttySupreme: I'm sick and tired of all this whining. Don't join Boy Scouts then, go start queer scouts or something.


I'm sick and tired of assholes like you. Go start Troll Scouts or something.
 
2012-07-25 01:53:17 AM

bigstoopidbruce: I'm just a bigoted redneck heterosexual male, so maybe I'm a little slow. Bear with me.

So any man who rapes boys is a pedophile but IS NOT GAY? Is that right?

While any man who rapes girls is, what, not straight?


If you boink children, it doesn't matter what gender they are: You're a pedophile regardless of what gender, if any, you're attracted to with adults.

I wonder if Jesse Dirkhising would like to be an Eagle Scout? Oh, wait, he's busy being dead after being repeatedly anally raped and then asphixiated by two men who, I'm sure, were NOT GAY.

Courts in South Carolina and Sweden have ruled that rape is between a man and a woman.
 
2012-07-25 01:53:38 AM

BronyMedic: Uh, why does this thread not have the Hero tag?

That takes a lot of balls, and principles to do. The amount of your life you spend earning that Eagle Scout medal is incredible, and to willingly hand it back over their bigotry is a huge step to take.


Trolling headline is trolling. Expect no less here.
 
2012-07-25 01:53:55 AM

bigstoopidbruce: So any man who rapes boys is a pedophile but IS NOT GAY? Is that right?

Not necessarily, no. Gender attraction is much more complicated than Gay or Straight, especially when pedophilia, hebephilia, or infantophila. It may be less subjective in ephebeophiles. Gay / Straight is usually more of a sliding scale anyways.

While any man who rapes girls is, what, not straight?
Either or all of the above.
 
2012-07-25 01:54:19 AM
Baloo Uriza: BronyMedic: We know that sexual assault and instances of molestation and sexual abuse by women are not only vastly under-reported, but that there is an active culture in society which makes this an acceptable thing if the victim is an adolescent boy.

Hence, every teacher molestation thread ever where the linked article includes a mugshot also tends to have commentary from subby on whether or not you would hit it.


You're talking about a website which actively promotes the belief that not only can teenage boys and men not be raped, but they want it all the time, and they should just be thankful they got some ass rather than feel used and violated.
 
2012-07-25 01:54:51 AM

Simonsezz: Don't know if it's been pointed out yet...

One word on BSOA..

Webelo


Daddy beat me with a hose. Kicked out of the webelos.
 
2012-07-25 01:55:05 AM

bigstoopidbruce: I'm just a bigoted redneck heterosexual male, so maybe I'm a little slow.


This was the only part of your post that had even a passing acquaintance with the truth.

I will applaud the accuracy of your username, though.
 
2012-07-25 01:55:05 AM

Biological Ali: jimk777: All I said was that by definition being gay is males having sex with males and straight is males having sex only with females.

That's not what being gay is, unless this is a "definition" that you've just made up.


Really, go ahead, describe for us what sexual orientation means if it does not mean what gender you are attracted to? You're going to seriously argue it's about what music you like or how you like to dance or what food you like to eat? Notice I am refraining from giving examples of the obvious gay lifestyle stereotypes instead. I hate to tell you this but being gay is not that special. It's about nothing but sexual orientation. Or, are you just a hopeless romantic and upset because I simplified it by describing it as sex and didn't include any romance?
 
2012-07-25 01:55:17 AM
i read every one of these posts. not really. tl:dr
 
2012-07-25 01:55:40 AM

A Fark Handle: ununcle: As a heterosexual male, could I coach the local high school cheer leading team? You bet your ass I could. I would be the best freakin high school cheer leading team coach there ever was.

turns out you can and could because no national cheer organization is banning you.

/there's no national agenda to give gays more rights...


Can I take them in the woods? This conversation proves there's an agenda.
 
2012-07-25 01:56:44 AM

ununcle: HeathenHealer: ununcle: HeathenHealer: What's wrong with this? A gay man/woman is just as capable of having a "birds and bees" conversation with their kids (sorry if that came as a shock, but gay people DO have kids) as any other adult.

Man these threads make me depressed. I hope most of the ignorant posters are just trolls but I know in reality there's a lot of closed minded people out there. It's just so sad.

Fine, I just don't want you having that conversation with my kids. I'll do that thank you.

Sounds good. Oh, by the way, are you going to go into the schools and make sure that the teacher who's teaching sex-ed to your kids is straight?

I didn't have to,,, are you gonna make sure the one who teaches yours is gay? Same question. I didn't have to. Do you?


I don't care they're gay/straight/Bi/Bi-curious. If they are a good teacher i'm fine with them teaching the subject.

Something just popped into my head...My wife has an irrational fear of birds. She seriously believes that someday a bird will peck-out her eyeballs. It's kind of amusing, but I feel bad because she's genuinely afraid of birds getting anywhere near her.

/guess some people are afraid of getting a penis in the rear
 
2012-07-25 01:56:57 AM

Pumpernickel bread: Being gay isn't a choice and gay adults should be able to do whatever they want with other gay adults...including get married, but I think the Boy Scouts are right here. Those that want to allow gay men to go out into the woods .... other uninformed, blatantly homophobic bullshiat follows, ad infinitum


The simple truth is that the vast majority of pedophiles self-identify as heterosexual, you stupid nonce!!
 
2012-07-25 01:58:50 AM

RealFarknMcCoy2: Pumpernickel bread: Being gay isn't a choice and gay adults should be able to do whatever they want with other gay adults...including get married, but I think the Boy Scouts are right here. Those that want to allow gay men to go out into the woods .... other uninformed, blatantly homophobic bullshiat follows, ad infinitum

The simple truth is that the vast majority of pedophiles self-identify as heterosexual, you stupid nonce!!


Could that have anything to do with the vast majority of people self-identifying as heterosexual?
 
2012-07-25 01:58:51 AM
jimk777: Really, go ahead, describe for us what sexual orientation means if it does not mean what gender you are attracted to? You're going to seriously argue it's about what music you like or how you like to dance or what food you like to eat? Notice I am refraining from giving examples of the obvious gay lifestyle stereotypes instead. I hate to tell you this but being gay is not that special. It's about nothing but sexual orientation. Or, are you just a hopeless romantic and upset because I simplified it by describing it as sex and didn't include any romance?

You do realize that you can be a straight male, attracted to women, and have a paraphilic attraction to oral or anal sex with another male (cuckolding fetish), or to being penetrated by a phallic object strapped to your female partner (pegging), right?

You can also be a gay man, and regularly engage in heterosexual intercorse with a female partner, and be arroused and achieve orgasm, as most gay men do for years before admitting their orientation to themselves and others.
 
2012-07-25 01:59:31 AM
jimk777

At this point I have no choice left but to conclude that you're either a troll or somebody who lacks the basic cognitive functionality needed to understand simple statements and arguments.

Either way, I'm not going to waste any more energy attempting to correct the nonsense you've been spewing.
 
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