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2012-07-25 01:07:01 AM

RadioAaron: DempseySR26: I don't see how Christians are making holding back any gay person from sticking his manhood in a place where another man evacuates his bowels.

Wait...

Wait, wait, WAIT!

Is THIS what those people do!?

Gotta say: this changes everything.


Well Darwin did hate days. From a science point of view. There is not evolutionary benefit to being gay. Look on the bright side. Religious people here just don't approve of your life style. Waaaaaa they don't approve! Your Muslim pals you fark libs always defend will cut your head off if they found out your gay.
 
2012-07-25 01:07:04 AM
ununcle: Ha! Is that what the gay community believes? Sandusky was a hetero guy giving gays a bad name. OMG!!! Your farked. Wow.

I hate to break into your tirade, but you do realize that pedophilia is considered, as a matter of both psychiatric study, and pathological basis, completely a separate concept from sexual orientation, right?

There are gay, and there are straight pedophiles. The pedophilic attraction in an offender transcends their sexual orientation, and is based on the age and physical maturity of that particular person's attraction range. Someone who is completely straight can be attracted to the androgynous picture of a three year old boy, and someone who is flamingly gay can be attracted to a nine year old girl.

DempseySR26: Funny all I read was derpy derpy dooo.Funny, all I wrote was derp. Thank you for translating it for the rest of FARK.

FTFY.
 
2012-07-25 01:07:18 AM
HERO.

Thanks dude.

/Oh, and if God was against gays....why did he make men so they could have such great sex with each other?
 
2012-07-25 01:08:40 AM

antron: [img137.imageshack.us image 412x284]


Funny you should mention that. Back in the 1990 Brimfrost my troop helped administrativly "blow up" a SOSUS station with simulated C4. They gave the troop a tour of the station without first verifying if the scoutmasters were on the other side. They were.
 
2012-07-25 01:08:46 AM

BronyMedic: ununcle: Ha! Is that what the gay community believes? Sandusky was a hetero guy giving gays a bad name. OMG!!! Your farked. Wow.

I hate to break into your tirade, but you do realize that pedophilia is considered, as a matter of both psychiatric study, and pathological basis, completely a separate concept from sexual orientation, right?

There are gay, and there are straight pedophiles. The pedophilic attraction in an offender transcends their sexual orientation, and is based on the age and physical maturity of that particular person's attraction range. Someone who is completely straight can be attracted to the androgynous picture of a three year old boy, and someone who is flamingly gay can be attracted to a nine year old girl.

DempseySR26: Funny all I read was derpy derpy dooo.Funny, all I wrote was derp. Thank you for translating it for the rest of FARK.

FTFY.


Look another derp.
 
2012-07-25 01:09:27 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: I haven't read anything about Sandusky having sex with little girls. This probably is too difficult a concept for you to handle but age has nothing to do with gender. Sandusky is a gay or bi pedophile. Pedophilia is simply the form of sex he wants not the gender he wants it with.

FAIL
under 18 (16-17 in some juristdictions) there is NO classification of who you're having sex with.


Umm, English isn't your first language is it? I never said there was a legal classification for gay or straight pedophiles. You're not seriously trying to argue that it is more or less of a crime and classed according to gender in any jurisdiction, are you? All I said was that by definition being gay is males having sex with males and straight is males having sex only with females. What age you have sex with or what fetish or how you have sex has nothing to do with whether you are gay or straight. As you may not understand, gay or straight is not the crime, pedo is the crime and gay or straight is the orientation of the person committing the crime. So again by definition, Sandusky is either a closeted gay or perhaps bi and the sex he seems to like is the illegal act of having sex with male children.
 
2012-07-25 01:09:33 AM
DempseySR26: Look another derp.

Do you have anything constructive to contribute, or should I just go ahead and ignore you like the troll you're proving yourself to be?
 
2012-07-25 01:10:24 AM

Biological Ali: jimk777: Yeah, it's amazing to me how some people will on the one hand argue that gays are just normal people yet not accept that means that some are not good people either. I find it hilarious how gays or gay rights activists try to do anything to avoid the obvious point that Sandusky is either gay or bi. Yes he by definition is but so what? I just enjoy calling the activist types on their hypocrisy.

It pays to do a little research before making claims that fall outside one's own spheres of expertise. It can help one avoid making confident assertions that turn out to be laughably wrong.


Great link. It may well pop up in other threads on similar issues.
 
2012-07-25 01:10:26 AM
The deputy director of NSA Chris Inglis is an Eagle Scout and, yes, he knows who you all are.
 
2012-07-25 01:10:43 AM

jimk777: All I said was that by definition being gay is males having sex with males and straight is males having sex only with females.


That's not what being gay is, unless this is a "definition" that you've just made up.
 
2012-07-25 01:11:06 AM

DempseySR26: [guess who's back]


Shut up, TatsRS6.
 
2012-07-25 01:11:07 AM

BronyMedic: DempseySR26: Look another derp.

Do you have anything constructive to contribute, or should I just go ahead and ignore you like the troll you're proving yourself to be?


Just ignore me. It's all you dip shiats are good at. farking pathetic.
 
2012-07-25 01:11:28 AM

Triumph: The deputy director of NSA Chris Inglis is an Eagle Scout and, yes, he knows who you all are.


hell, the honorary president of the boy scouts of america is near.
 
2012-07-25 01:11:50 AM

DempseySR26: Well Darwin did hate days. From a science point of view. There is not evolutionary benefit to being gay. Look on the bright side. Religious people here just don't approve of your life style. Waaaaaa they don't approve! Your Muslim pals you fark libs always defend will cut your head off if they found out your gay.


lol
 
2012-07-25 01:12:02 AM

DempseySR26: From a science point of view. There is not evolutionary benefit to being gay.


Thats not necessarily true.

There are numerous possible evolutionary explanations for it.
 
2012-07-25 01:12:02 AM
Biological Ali: jimk777: All I said was that by definition being gay is males having sex with males and straight is males having sex only with females.

That's not what being gay is, unless this is a "definition" that you've just made up.


Man, it would blow his mind to learn that there are straight men who engage in anal and oral sex with other men, and enjoy anal sex from a replica phallus worn by their partner.
 
2012-07-25 01:12:27 AM

studebaker hoch: /Oh, and if God was against gays....why did he make men so they could have such great sex with each other?


Note that I have no special words from any deity regarding this (I'm agnostic), but I would imagine it's for the same reason that pig tastes delicious and monogamy is boring - as a test. Again note that I am not promoting any religion, but I have studied the Abrahamic sourcebook and there is a fairly constant thread of "self-denial in life equals rewards in the afterlife".
 
2012-07-25 01:13:25 AM
DempseySR26: Just ignore me. It's all you dip shiats are good at. farking pathetic.

You sound mad. You really should relax, Dempsy. It's just the internet.

You don't like the thought of being ignored, do you? It must be rather lonely over there, what with the caked on cheetos dust on your fingertips, and that strange stain you just can't seem to get off your keyboard.
 
2012-07-25 01:13:46 AM
"A 34-year-old grandmother sought by Palmetto police after her grandson allegedly ingested crack cocaine surrendered to authorities Tuesday afternoon, "

Wait, if the crack cocaine was surrendered to the police on Tuesday isn't it there fault for leaving it where the kid could get to it?

hehehe... punctuation much?
 
2012-07-25 01:13:46 AM
So how come the honorary head of the Boy Scouts of America hasn't turned in his hat and quit ??



Oh, yeah it's an election year and it's Obama.
 
2012-07-25 01:14:40 AM

Baloo Uriza: Pumpernickel bread: Those that want to allow gay men to go out into the woods with preteen and teen boys seem perfectly willing to put the safety of these kids in peril in the name of political correctness.

Two words you might want to look up in the dictionary: "homosexual" and "pedophile." Please note the distinction. Two names you might want to google: "James Dale" and "Jerry Sandusky." Please note the difference between these two individuals.


2 words you may wanna look up, appropriate and inappropriate. For thousands of years men (hetero) have not been able (legaly) to go out into the woods to teach a group of young girls how to rub sticks together to make heat. Therefore, it will never be appropriate for a gay man to go into said woods to teach young men the facts of life. No matter how much you wish it, it ain't happening. Are you gatting me sweetheart?
 
2012-07-25 01:15:41 AM

chiett: Oh, yeah it's an election year and it's Obama.


My favourite pizza topping is pepperoni and pineapple.

...

What? That had just as much to do with the discussion as your post did. More, even.
 
2012-07-25 01:16:44 AM

ununcle: Pumpernickel bread: Being gay isn't a choice and gay adults should be able to do whatever they want with other gay adults...including get married, but I think the Boy Scouts are right here. Those that want to allow gay men to go out into the woods with preteen and teen boys seem perfectly willing to put the safety of these kids in peril in the name of political correctness. The simple truth of the matter is that if men that are known to be attracted to young men are put in a position of power over a group of them and then be permitted to take them out to secluded places, abuse of that power is bound to happen. 99% of gay men wanting to serve as scoutmasters would probably serve admirably, but undoubtedly there would be those looking to abuse that power for sexual gratification. The Jerry Sanduskys of the world would all be applying to be scoutmasters.

This,,
My daughter has a passion for photography/wedding planner/ have fun , and her first wedding was a gay one. She asked if I had a problem with that and I said no. I have no problem with gay people. I only have a problem with the "agenda' that wants to flip sexuality upside down where it's supposed to be appropriate for a gay man to be surrounded by teen boys in the middle of the woods, yet considered lunacy for a hetero male to be surrounded by teen girls in the woods. Neither one is appropriate. She understood.


you're a farking tard. so what should we do about school teachers? many of them interact with young adults of their various sexual persuasion. what about athletic coaches? what about men coaching girls' sport (long bus rides, position of authority, over night stay on road trips, etc)? thinking that a gay man is going to molest a boy is straight out bigotry. turns out that most pedos are outwardly and normatively "straight", they just happen to also be sick sick farks that deserve a shovel to the face.

/she just said that to shut your bigot mouth.
 
2012-07-25 01:17:24 AM

Alleyoop: Don't like it? Go start your own club and leave ours alone.


The irony being y'all had me on the payroll for five years before I turned 21 and got a job working for that Mitt Romney asshole...worst career move ever, shoulda stayed with the Scouts.
 
2012-07-25 01:18:02 AM
Pedophilia isn't often tied with gender. Sure, you have people who are into "types" but even those types aren't cemented to gender. Little boys are very similar to little girls, if prepubescent is what you're into.
 
2012-07-25 01:18:14 AM

BronyMedic: Someone who is completely straight can be attracted to the androgynous picture of a three year old boy, and someone who is flamingly gay can be attracted to a nine year old girl.


I know you're already copping a lot of heat in this thread, but I wanted to know if there's any real scientific backing for this. I always thought this was a bit of popular wisdom that isn't actually true.
 
2012-07-25 01:18:51 AM

RadioAaron: Pumpernickel bread: Those that want to allow gay men to go out into the woods with preteen and teen boys seem perfectly willing to put the safety of these kids in peril in the name of political correctness.

So all gay men are predators. Got it.


Some gay men are predators, and you know it.

SN1987a goes boom: Hetero's lose nothing by allowing civil rights to gays.


Gay men's civil rights do not include getting access to other people's children. Hetero's could lose a lot if they gave in to political correctness and forced their sons into bad situations. it's a good thing that some parents have better sense than that.

Also did it ever occur to anyone that this could be an insurance decision? Maybe the BSA were forced to enact this policy by their insurance carrier.
 
2012-07-25 01:18:55 AM

spectrek: Here's my Scouting experience: Became a Cub Scout at nine, a Boy Scout at twelve. My Scoutmaster's son took three years to make Eagle, and when he did, Daddy Scoutmaster disbanded the troop, with with only a few months before I'd have made Eagle.


I'll take "people who I'd like to hit in the face with a brick" for $100, Alex.
 
2012-07-25 01:20:16 AM
Fluorescent Testicle

Rocket scientist.
Obama is the honorary head of the BSA.
Boys are turning in their medals in protest, so why doesn't a "leader" like Obama do something too ??
See the connection ??


And your favorite topping is baloney.
 
2012-07-25 01:21:25 AM

DempseySR26: Funny the people here calling the scouts bigots are bigots against Christians. Hypocrites.


Hypocritical Bigoted Christians you mean.

www.chicagonow.com
 
2012-07-25 01:21:58 AM

ununcle: Baloo Uriza: Pumpernickel bread: Those that want to allow gay men to go out into the woods with preteen and teen boys seem perfectly willing to put the safety of these kids in peril in the name of political correctness.

Two words you might want to look up in the dictionary: "homosexual" and "pedophile." Please note the distinction. Two names you might want to google: "James Dale" and "Jerry Sandusky." Please note the difference between these two individuals.

2 words you may wanna look up, appropriate and inappropriate. For thousands of years men (hetero) have not been able (legaly) to go out into the woods to teach a group of young girls how to rub sticks together to make heat. Therefore, it will never be appropriate for a gay man to go into said woods to teach young men the facts of life. No matter how much you wish it, it ain't happening. Are you gatting me sweetheart?


What's wrong with this? A gay man/woman is just as capable of having a "birds and bees" conversation with their kids (sorry if that came as a shock, but gay people DO have kids) as any other adult.

Man these threads make me depressed. I hope most of the ignorant posters are just trolls but I know in reality there's a lot of closed minded people out there. It's just so sad.
 
2012-07-25 01:22:04 AM
Good to see there are a few good scouts left out there.
 
2012-07-25 01:22:31 AM

WeenerGord: Some gay men are predators, and you know it.


Yup. And so are some straight men.

Are you really going with the slippery slope route here? Because you'll just end up looking silly/-ier.
 
2012-07-25 01:23:31 AM
spamdog: I know you're already copping a lot of heat in this thread, but I wanted to know if there's any real scientific backing for this. I always thought this was a bit of popular wisdom that isn't actually true.

UC Davis Psych department has a rather long dissertation on the topic.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

There are some within the psychology community that argue pedophilia should garner it's own label as a sexual orientation, rather than being treated as a separate paraphilia independant of sexual orientation. The reason for this is that it doesn't fit under any of the currently established criteria for heterosexuality, bisexuality, or homosexuality. Pedophilic attraction is unique - each person who suffers from it is attracted to a specific age range, and a specific sex of child. Even then, their adult sexual attractions can be completely different. There are many pedophiles who target boys who identify as straight, for example.

This is not to justify it as a legitimate and harmless sexual orientation, but rather to simplify the classification of it, and it should be noted that it is completely different than traditional sexual orientation, which involves relationships between two or more consenting teenage or of-age parties.
 
2012-07-25 01:24:11 AM

WeenerGord: Some gay men are predators, and you know it.


Also, some gay predators pretend to be straight, and will go out of there way to be involved in boys' sports, organizations, clubs, etc.

What do you suppose we do about that?
 
2012-07-25 01:24:56 AM

RadioAaron: WeenerGord: Some gay men are predators, and you know it.

Yup. And so are some straight men.

Are you really going with the slippery slope route here? Because you'll just end up looking silly/-ier.


Yes, but are straight men allowed to be girl scout troop leaders? I'm honestly asking here, because I have no idea.
 
2012-07-25 01:25:04 AM

gadian: Pedophilia isn't often tied with gender. Sure, you have people who are into "types" but even those types aren't cemented to gender. Little boys are very similar to little girls, if prepubescent is what you're into.


And this - I'm yet to actually see any evidence that this is the norm.
 
2012-07-25 01:25:36 AM

captcaveman: There is nothing against the law about being a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION with your own laws and standards


United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 309. The Boy Scouts are a federally chartered, public institution and have been since June 1916.
 
2012-07-25 01:26:47 AM
what a scout master may look like:

dvdmedia.ign.com
 
2012-07-25 01:26:52 AM

HeathenHealer: What's wrong with this? A gay man/woman is just as capable of having a "birds and bees" conversation with their kids (sorry if that came as a shock, but gay people DO have kids) as any other adult.

Man these threads make me depressed. I hope most of the ignorant posters are just trolls but I know in reality there's a lot of closed minded people out there. It's just so sad.


Fine, I just don't want you having that conversation with my kids. I'll do that thank you.
 
2012-07-25 01:26:59 AM

untaken_name: Yes, but are straight men allowed to be girl scout troop leaders? I'm honestly asking here, because I have no idea.


I don't know, are women allowed to be Boy Scout leaders?

/No, seriously, I have no idea on either of these points
//I do know they're pretty equivalent
 
2012-07-25 01:27:44 AM

stiletto_the_wise: BronyMedic: Being an Eagle Scout is a big deal in the adult world - it gives you an edge on getting into certain colleges, getting into education programs that are restricted access, getting certain jobs and political appointments, consideration for military rank upon enlistment, and even getting loans and financhial aid.

Come on... that's stretching it a bit.

I've never filled out a job application and had a check box that said "Eagle Scout".
The mortgage paperwork I had to fill out didn't ask.
Scouting has never come up in conversation with friends or co-workers, and I don't see any doors that were shut to me because I wasn't an Eagle Scout.

And to be honest, if someone did mention to me they were an Eagle Scout today, my first thought, sadly, would be, "So how's the gay bashing going?" ...even though I know better (some of my family members are Scouts).

That's how bad the mental association between Scouting and bigotry has gotten. This is a real PR nightmare for the 'Scouts.


No one said 'doors were shut' because he was not an Eagle Scout. But I've found being an Eagle does have cache, and still will. I liken it somewhat to being a Mason- there is a connection among those who are members. Being an Eagle Scout is something I've proudly included on resumes and such, and it has often led to memorable conversations and a way to stand out. I've had hiring managers and others liken it to being a military officer...... it shows character, dedication, and work ethic. Agree with the national stance on gays or not, being an Eagle Scout is still a point of pride and achievement.
 
2012-07-25 01:28:28 AM

BronyMedic: spamdog: I know you're already copping a lot of heat in this thread, but I wanted to know if there's any real scientific backing for this. I always thought this was a bit of popular wisdom that isn't actually true.

UC Davis Psych department has a rather long dissertation on the topic.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

There are some within the psychology community that argue pedophilia should garner it's own label as a sexual orientation, rather than being treated as a separate paraphilia independant of sexual orientation. The reason for this is that it doesn't fit under any of the currently established criteria for heterosexuality, bisexuality, or homosexuality. Pedophilic attraction is unique - each person who suffers from it is attracted to a specific age range, and a specific sex of child. Even then, their adult sexual attractions can be completely different. There are many pedophiles who target boys who identify as straight, for example.

This is not to justify it as a legitimate and harmless sexual orientation, but rather to simplify the classification of it, and it should be noted that it is completely different than traditional sexual orientation, which involves relationships between two or more consenting teenage or of-age parties.


exactly. pedos are their own very farked up and sick group that has nothing to do with what most people understand as sexuality. gay scoutmasters aren't the issue. pedo scoutmaster would be...
 
2012-07-25 01:28:32 AM
Here's a group that only exists to do good deeds and people attack them because of one of their private beliefs. Unbelievable. Yeah let's attack the ahoy Scouts. Great idea.
 
2012-07-25 01:28:38 AM

ununcle: Fine, I just don't want you having that conversation with my kids. I'll do that thank you.


Ummm... would you want ANYONE having that conversation with your kid (aside from close family)? Like, anyone else at all?
 
2012-07-25 01:29:18 AM

browntimmy:
Seriously? You take that much pride in being a farking Eagle scout? I think I was a Weeblo, that means about as much to me now as my Tee-Ball trophy.




And that is exactly why Eagle Scouts take pride in what they earned. No one gives a shiat if you are a weeblo, you show up you are a weeblo. Many people that are Eagle Scouts had opportunities for them early in life that are directly related to being an Eagle Scout. For a lot of people in particular in HR they recognize the commitment and effort that goes into becoming an Eagle Scout, that is something that directly applies to any job. The same goes for education opportunities. Not to mention the projects you work on have direct impacts on local communities, and once you get outside of large cities those projects can have very apparent impacts on the community.



All that being said. Fark Eagle Scouts why are you all so bad at making fires. It does not take 10 minutes to light a fire no matter how you build it. It does not take multiple attempts to light the fire, if it takes multiple attempts to light the fire then you built it wrong (even if it is wet out). You do not need any form of combustible liquid to start a fire, even if it is wet out, unless you are doing it for fun and want to see a fire ball.
 
2012-07-25 01:29:42 AM

spamdog: gadian: Pedophilia isn't often tied with gender. Sure, you have people who are into "types" but even those types aren't cemented to gender. Little boys are very similar to little girls, if prepubescent is what you're into.

And this - I'm yet to actually see any evidence that this is the norm.


it is if your BI.
rdelagarza.com
 
2012-07-25 01:29:43 AM

STRYPERSWINE: Here's a group that only exists to do good deeds and people attack them because of one of their private beliefs.


Is this another veiled Christian persecution post? Cuz I think that quota has already been met.
 
2012-07-25 01:29:47 AM

susansto-helit: That's an admirable thing that they're doing.

I have to say that I'm so glad I was a Girl Scout. They'll take anyone, regardless of religion or sexual orientation. I'm very proud of being associated with that organization. I wish these men returning their Eagle Medals could say the same.


Same. I had a blast as a Girl Scout, even though I dropped out when I entered middle school. Though, the Scouts of today are drastically different than the troops we were in as kids. Can't imagine so many troops now being involved in camping or mechanical engineering stuff. I'm sure a lot of the stuff that I learned as a GS, I'd have learned from my dad (he wanted a boy sooooo bad), but still. I feel like a lot of the badges now are so technology based and less about life lessons and common sense. And selling the shiat out of cookies that are nowhere near as good as they used to be.
 
2012-07-25 01:30:02 AM

Aussie_As: jimk777: heap: jimk777: Okay so he's bi. Either that or closeted for 45 years which sounds a lot more likely.

or maybe he's a goddamned pedophile.

I haven't read anything about Sandusky having sex with little girls. This probably is too difficult a concept for you to handle but age has nothing to do with gender. Sandusky is a gay or bi pedophile. Pedophilia is simply the form of sex he wants not the gender he wants it with.

Pedophilia, like rape, is non-consensual. It's not about sex. It's about violation and power. Mixing it up with a regular discussion about homosexuality is simply offensive to all non-pedophiles and non-rapists, because what you say about gay men and boys would by definition apply to straight men and girls.


Umm, yes it clearly does apply to straights equally. I've already said that. The funny thing is you are so defensive about gays that you can't even admit in a public forum that Sandusky is gay. By definition if gays are normal people then some are bad. And yeah, pedophilia and rape are really also about sex. That's sort of what Sandusky was doing in the shower.

I always find it humorous how so many activists try to pretend rape is all about power and not also about sex. Self evidently it requires both. Rape or pedophilia is not just some power trip that has nothing to do with sex. Both are also part of a failure in a normal sex drive. Yes, some rapes can be all about power and punishing some woman for example but sex is still involved even in those situations and just because some are mostly about power does not mean all are. It is grossly simplistic to think all rapes occur for the same reason. I think it's pretty idiotic to think for example that most prison rapes are all about power and not about sex. The person being raped could obviously have been beaten or punished in some other manner if the person doing it was not also enjoying the sex aspect of it. The problem is I suppose from the activist point of view they don't want to talk about a screwed up sex drive versus making it into some clinical power problem and pretending sex has nothing to do with it. Like most things sex spans a spectrum of good and bad. Sex is not automatically good and yes, rape and pedophilia are a depraved part of human sexuality. Pretending otherwise is just a joke.

Pedophilia could also include seduction of a child and there are pedophiles who think they actually love the children. That doesn't make it any less of a crime.
 
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