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2012-07-25 12:45:36 AM  

ununcle: DempseySR26: Funny the people here calling the scouts bigots are bigots against Christians. Hypocrites.

This.


Ah, I see we've moved to the "Your rejection of my bigotry is the real bigotry!" stage of the argument.
 
2012-07-25 12:45:48 AM  

ununcle: DempseySR26: Funny the people here calling the scouts bigots are bigots against Christians. Hypocrites.

This.


Repeating myself from another thread, but the Christian church I attended as a teenager welcomed gay people. So I have no idea what you're talking about. Jesus preached tolerance and love.
 
2012-07-25 12:45:53 AM  

captcaveman: The Boy Scouts of America's policy of prohibiting membership by homosexuals is, in fact, "bigotry". Your claim, therefore is a lie.

Its still a private organization. Your argument is invalid.


So's the Klan.
 
2012-07-25 12:46:48 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Aussie_As: jimk777: heap: jimk777: Okay so he's bi. Either that or closeted for 45 years which sounds a lot more likely.

or maybe he's a goddamned pedophile.

I haven't read anything about Sandusky having sex with little girls. This probably is too difficult a concept for you to handle but age has nothing to do with gender. Sandusky is a gay or bi pedophile. Pedophilia is simply the form of sex he wants not the gender he wants it with.

Pedophilia, like rape, is non-consensual. It's not about sex. It's about violation and power. Mixing it up with a regular discussion about homosexuality is simply offensive to all non-pedophiles and non-rapists, because what you say about gay men and boys would by definition apply to straight men and girls.

I'm pretty sure rape is at least a little bit about sex. I mean, it does involve having sex with someone.


rape is a consequence by a judge, it doesn't have to do with sex.

i'm suprised nobody brings up that fact, and instead just say it has to do with power.
but no the power comes from a f***** judge.
 
2012-07-25 12:47:00 AM  

captcaveman: Dimensio: captcaveman: What a dumb bunch of morons, like returning your worthless medal will do a damn thing to change a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION that you voluntarily joined and voluntarily fought to earn a piece of metal that you don't need to be successful. You failed to read the fine print of a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION. That means they can do what they want and don't have to give a shiate about your farking opinion while still supporting it. So EAGLE scouts that are so offended by a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION that is upholding its own policies, nothing you do with your medal is going to change that. There is nothing against the law about being a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION with your own laws and standards. If you don't want to be a boy scout, don't. If you are gay male and you want to be a boy scout, you can't. That is not against the law or bigotry in any way. Create the LBGT scouts if you want to. Nothing is stopping you.

The Boy Scouts of America's policy of prohibiting membership by homosexuals is, in fact, "bigotry". Your claim, therefore is a lie.

Its still a private organization. Your argument is invalid.


That it is a private organization does not alter the fact of their bigotry. Your claim remains a lie, and you are therefore a liar. Consequently, I am now curious as to why any claim issued by you should be believed.
 
2012-07-25 12:47:32 AM  

DempseySR26: Funny the people here calling the scouts bigots are bigots against Christians. Hypocrites.


Poor persecuted Christians. Rejecting equality in the name of Jesus since 0.
 
2012-07-25 12:47:41 AM  

Hickory-smoked: captcaveman: The Boy Scouts of America's policy of prohibiting membership by homosexuals is, in fact, "bigotry". Your claim, therefore is a lie.

Its still a private organization. Your argument is invalid.

So's the Klan.


Brilliant observation. I sense a paradigm shift in the discussion thanks to your indelible contribution.
 
2012-07-25 12:48:00 AM  

CuttySupreme: I'm sick and tired of all this whining. Don't join Boy Scouts then, go start queer scouts or something.


False pretense is false. This is about trying to get the National Council to 1) accept the fact that orientation is a nonissue because if you're joining Scouting for the sex, you're doing it wrong, and if they can't do that, then 2) resign.
 
2012-07-25 12:48:25 AM  

WorldCitizen: they should be allowed to be bigots


They are allowed. But the rest of us are likewise allowed to call out their unjust behavior and to hold them accountable for it.
 
2012-07-25 12:49:05 AM  

serial_crusher: BronyMedic: serial_crusher: I disagree with the stupid rules currently in action, but still stand by the organization and its principles. Sending back your Eagle is like moving to Canada because you don't like the guy that got elected as President.

Uh, no.

Sending back your Eagle Medal is like returning your Presidential Medal of Freedom because the Administration is doing something flippiantly idiotic. It's a major statement of protest against their bigotry. Being an Eagle Scout is a big deal in the adult world...

I meant to add that I'm an Eagle myself. Yes to all those things you said. It's hard work. I earned it fair and square, regardless of some stupid rules I don't agree with, which is why I'm not sending it back.

The folks who are sending theirs back (ok, it's really just that one guy) are commendable. Being that dedicated to something you believe is a good thing. I'm just saying I wouldn't go that far, and I don't feel it's necessary to go that far. Ideally I'd like to change the BSA from within, but realistically I haven't been that active in my adult years.


Seriously? You take that much pride in being a farking Eagle scout? I think I was a Weeblo, that means about as much to me now as my Tee-Ball trophy.
 
2012-07-25 12:50:13 AM  

Slives: I greatly enjoyed Scouting as a kid and would like to get my son into it next year. I really hope I can find a troop that at least takes a neutral position on this. Been trying very hard to not teach him any bigotry and I sure don't need it coming from an organization I am encouraging him to join.



So you wouldn't let your son become a scout unless you could be certain that an out homosexual could take him out on a camping trip?

Having an open mind is one thing, setting your children up to be molested is another. Not all out homosexuals are honorable persons who would never abuse a boy.
 
2012-07-25 12:50:43 AM  
Scouts have been a deeply christian organization at least since i was a kid (late 70's)

I remember the scout leader sitting us all down & saying something along the lines of "i know you boys come here just to have fun & play games with your friends, but we are also here to glorify jesus. If you dont love jesus, dont come back."

I was horrified... and never went to another scout meeting.

I also never contribute to scouts... my kids arent in the scouts.

Screw the jesus scouts.

I hear the girl scouts arent as church-oriented though. so i do still buy their cookies.
 
2012-07-25 12:51:21 AM  
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THUPER!!
 
2012-07-25 12:52:10 AM  

chewd: Scouts have been a deeply christian organization at least since i was a kid (late 70's)

I remember the scout leader sitting us all down & saying something along the lines of "i know you boys come here just to have fun & play games with your friends, but we are also here to glorify jesus. If you dont love jesus, dont come back."

I was horrified... and never went to another scout meeting.

I also never contribute to scouts... my kids arent in the scouts.

Screw the jesus scouts.

I hear the girl scouts arent as church-oriented though. so i do still buy their cookies.


Damn, that sucks. I was in scouts, and nothing anywhere close to that ever happened. It was a completely secular experience for me.
 
2012-07-25 12:52:10 AM  

RadioAaron: DempseySR26: Funny the people here calling the scouts bigots are bigots against Christians. Hypocrites.

Poor persecuted Christians. Rejecting equality in the name of Jesus since 0.


Technically, the Christian ministry didn't pick up steam until about 36 A.D. - the figure you're referring to, assuming he's not apocryphal, was probably born about 3 A.D.

/yeah I know what you're going for
//but but but technically.....
 
2012-07-25 12:52:16 AM  

IamAwake: phrawgh: Slives: I greatly enjoyed Scouting as a kid and would like to get my son into it next year. I really hope I can find a troop that at least takes a neutral position on this. Been trying very hard to not teach him any bigotry and I sure don't need it coming from an organization I am encouraging him to join.

Good for you. I assuming he doesn't attend church either. Letting him wait until after the age of consent to choose a religion is the right way to go. Kudos!

you don't think it might be bigotry of your own to categorically state that all churches espouse bigotry?


Only if they ignore the teachings of the Good Book.
 
2012-07-25 12:52:56 AM  

WeenerGord: So you wouldn't let your son become a scout unless you could be certain that an out homosexual could take him out on a camping trip?


again, are these 1 chaperone camping trips real and if so, what special powers do gay people have that allow them to corral a dozen 11 year olds?

if fear of fondling keeps them in line, i guess i understand, but....yah. beyond that, i'm at a loss.
 
2012-07-25 12:53:35 AM  
browntimmy: Seriously? You take that much pride in being a farking Eagle scout? I think I was a Weeblo, that means about as much to me now as my Tee-Ball trophy.

Yeah, because having your mom pay the 50 buck a year membership fee, and making leather wallets while you set around the camp fire singing kumbiyah is the same as spending years of your life, thousands of hours, and a lot of money earning your Eagle Scout.
 
2012-07-25 12:53:59 AM  

untaken_name: /yeah I know what you're going for
//but but but technically.....


Ya know, I thought about that when going in, but wasn't sure of the proper range. 0 just seemed like a nice jumping off point.

Also, sounds funnier when said out loud. And sort of poignant.
 
2012-07-25 12:54:21 AM  

BronyMedic: inborn characteristics


Stop this. I know you mean well, but we shouldn't discriminate on any irrelevant basis, regardless of whether the condition originated at your birth. While framing sexual orientation as an anti-birthright issue makes the propaganda easier (due to a general acceptance of anti-birthright sentiments the same segments of the population that oppose equality for homosexuals) it's not really the right battle to fight -- you (presumably) wouldn't treat a armless man differently whether he lost his arms before birth or at 8 or at 48, so why does it make any difference whether or not people are "born gay"?
 
2012-07-25 12:54:24 AM  

BronyMedic: Yeah, because having your mom pay the 50 buck a year membership fee, and making leather wallets while you set around the camp fire singing kumbiyah is the same as spending years of your life, thousands of hours, and a lot of money earning your Eagle Scout.


for real, i take no joy in delivering this news, but....yah.

really, to the rest of the adult world, it kinda is.
 
2012-07-25 12:54:31 AM  

Lawnchair: Also it is, in an 'aisle seat please' way, got-damned hilarious to see a council full of BSA leaders go into full-on Salem Witch Trials mode with one anonymous phone call accusing one unmarried father/asst scoutmaster of being gay. Seen it happen....


Meanwhile, the local council I worked for, I recall going into my boss's office (a DE), with that morning's The Oregonian in hand with the Dale verdict as the top front page headline, asking if the Scout Oath and Law changed and nobody bothered to update the manual. Brief conversation (full of facepalming and headshaking later) basically confirmed what I had suspected: At least up to a midrange regional level, things were still sane, and nobody could figure out what kind of ragahol they had access to down in Texas...
 
2012-07-25 12:54:40 AM  

BronyMedic: serial_crusher: I disagree with the stupid rules currently in action, but still stand by the organization and its principles. Sending back your Eagle is like moving to Canada because you don't like the guy that got elected as President.

Uh, no.

Sending back your Eagle Medal is like returning your Presidential Medal of Freedom because the Administration is doing something flippiantly idiotic. It's a major statement of protest against their bigotry. Being an Eagle Scout is a big deal in the adult world - it gives you an edge on getting into certain colleges, getting into education programs that are restricted access, getting certain jobs and political appointments, consideration for military rank upon enlistment, and even getting loans and financhial aid.

You're basically saying you accomplished one of the hardest things to do as an adolescent. It signifies that you have commited a substantial amount of years of your life, starting at the age of 11, to completeing the requirements and obtaining over 21 merit badges which each have their own individual, time consuming criteria, that you've served in multiple positions of leadership in your troop, and that you've spent hundreds of hours doing community service projects, not to mention an individual Eagle Scout project which you spend a lot of time and money doing, and has to be approved at a regional level by the BSA. And you have to be done BEFORE your 18th birthday, and have your approval for the award. Otherwise, you become inelegable. Less than 10% of Boy Scouts ever get to the point where they are even considered.

This isn't something you get just for being in Scouts until you're 18. You work your ass off to earn this thing. And it means a LOT outside of scouts.


Yes. Exactly this.

My Eagle took years of hard work. Volunteering? I stopped counting when I hit 2000 hours in 3 years, volunteering as Council Historian and Curator of the council's museum. That's in addition to hundreds for the church, city, and others. My Eagle project took 600 hours over a year.
I finished off with 36 merit badges, certifications as an instructor for first aid/lifesaving, orienteering, pioneering and marksmanship. I proudly listed that medal right alongside my test scores when applying to college.

I took it off in 2001, when the scandals started to break of Scouts getting abused. I'd worked a year as Scoutmaster for an inner-city troop, and the complete lack of response from National Council was disturbing. They were largely ignoring it, while still holding atheists and gays as the greater evil.

I poured thousands of hours of my life into that uniform, from 1988 to 2001, Cubs on up. I'd held nearly every office you could hold at the Scout level aside from SPL. I'd been Council Staff, proudly represented my home at the Jamboree in 1997, and had put on the plain uniform of a Scoutmaster to continue my service.

I took the Eagle off in 2001, and it hasn't been back since. I'm proud of what I did, but I can't endorse what the organization has become.

/Eagle 1997
//Vigil 1998
 
2012-07-25 12:54:46 AM  

WeenerGord: Slives: I greatly enjoyed Scouting as a kid and would like to get my son into it next year. I really hope I can find a troop that at least takes a neutral position on this. Been trying very hard to not teach him any bigotry and I sure don't need it coming from an organization I am encouraging him to join.


So you wouldn't let your son become a scout unless you could be certain that an out homosexual could take him out on a camping trip?

Having an open mind is one thing, setting your children up to be molested is another. Not all out homosexuals are honorable persons who would never abuse a boy.


So much fail....
 
2012-07-25 12:54:59 AM  

heap: WeenerGord: So you wouldn't let your son become a scout unless you could be certain that an out homosexual could take him out on a camping trip?

again, are these 1 chaperone camping trips real and if so, what special powers do gay people have that allow them to corral a dozen 11 year olds?

if fear of fondling keeps them in line, i guess i understand, but....yah. beyond that, i'm at a loss.


Yeah, on all my scout camping trips, we had a shiatload of scout leaders, and also a lot of parents going along too. It was never a lone scoutmaster deep in the woods with a harem of supple adolescent males.
 
2012-07-25 12:56:13 AM  

Dimensio: ununcle: Dimensio: Then either you or Pumpernickel bread should be able to demonstrate that problems result from the British "Scout Association" due to that organization's failure to prohibit membership of homosexual individuals. Please do so.

I don't know what you mean.

The British "Boy Scouts of America" analog organization, "The Scouting Association", does not prohibit homosexuals from serving as members. If your concerns are valid, then you should be able to cite data from that British organization as supporting evidence.


I have no data, only common sense. Are you saying because the Brits do it I need to find in instace of molestation?
 
2012-07-25 12:56:15 AM  

BronyMedic: DempseySR26: Funny the people here calling the scouts bigots are bigots against Christians. Hypocrites.

I don't care if you're Christian, Islamic, Jewish, or worship Celestia herself.

Your beliefs don't give you a blank check to actively and unquestioningly exclude or discriminate against anyone for inborn characteristics - be it race, sexual orientation, or ethnic origin. And it's not intolerance to speak out against anyone who would publically hide behind their percieved righteousness and holiness to spout out such nonsense.


I don't see how Christians are making holding back any gay person from sticking his manhood in a place where another man evacuates his bowels. All they are saying is what they believe. They aren't keeping gay people from doing anything. Want to get married? Get religion because it's a religious ritual. Then go find a priest, preacher, rabbi, imam, wiccan, tree, cow or whatever and just say your vowels. Leave other people alone. It's not cute.
 
2012-07-25 12:56:26 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Goes to show that Scouting does turn boys into men with good principles.

 
2012-07-25 12:56:36 AM  
It would be kinda funny if leather queens started giving out merit badges.
Cruise any ten of the various "Eagle" bars, become an "Eagle" scout.
 
2012-07-25 12:56:43 AM  

GAT_00: Mugato: So uh...do the um, Girl Scouts allow...nothing, nothing.

They have a DADT policy.

Also, again, why is this suddenly a thing? BSOA has had this policy for years.


Election year.
 
2012-07-25 12:56:45 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Yeah, on all my scout camping trips, we had a shiatload of scout leaders, and also a lot of parents going along too. It was never a lone scoutmaster deep in the woods with a harem of supple adolescent males.


that's the thing, i don't remember anybody being up in arms that females were out in the woods with us, complete with all their mommy parts, either.
 
2012-07-25 12:56:58 AM  

ununcle: I'm a live and let live person. I honestly could give a fark if someone likes the cack or the crack. But, for the life of me, I'll never understand why a parent should think it's appropriate to send a teen boy or younger into the woods with a stranger/gay man.


Sandusky was ostensibly straight, so the gay thing is sort of irrelevant. But it is a good idea to learn who the active members of the troop committee are.
 
2012-07-25 12:57:19 AM  

WeenerGord: Slives: I greatly enjoyed Scouting as a kid and would like to get my son into it next year. I really hope I can find a troop that at least takes a neutral position on this. Been trying very hard to not teach him any bigotry and I sure don't need it coming from an organization I am encouraging him to join.


So you wouldn't let your son become a scout unless you could be certain that an out homosexual could take him out on a camping trip?

Having an open mind is one thing, setting your children up to be molested is another. Not all out homosexuals are honorable persons who would never abuse a boy.


/facepalm

So on this basis any straight man involved with the Brownies or Girl Guides needs to be castrated before the next meeting? If you answer 'no' then can you explain your apparent bigotry?

If gay men must be assumed to be molestors of boys, then straight men must equally assumed to be molesters of girls.

Congrats, you've offended all non-predatory men in one go.
 
2012-07-25 12:57:28 AM  
I am getting so sick and tired of the gay community telling people what they should and should not believe as well as think. Being gay is not a normal behavior no matter how much you try to tell me it is. Furthermore there is no reason on earth that will make me think being gay is "ok". Keep the homo out of scouts, for god sakes the organization is gay enough without having actual gays running it.
 
2012-07-25 12:57:29 AM  

WeenerGord: Slives: I greatly enjoyed Scouting as a kid and would like to get my son into it next year. I really hope I can find a troop that at least takes a neutral position on this. Been trying very hard to not teach him any bigotry and I sure don't need it coming from an organization I am encouraging him to join.


So you wouldn't let your son become a scout unless you could be certain that an out homosexual could take him out on a camping trip?

Having an open mind is one thing, setting your children up to be molested is another. Not all out homosexuals are honorable persons who would never abuse a boy.


I'm not sure if you're serious, but on the off chance that you are...

You do realize that gay people are not more likely than straight people to abuse children, even those of the same sex, right? If you're seriously going to go down the "Think of the children" route, the logical conclusion would be to prevent them from having contact with all adults, because you won't actually make them any safer by just removing "out homosexuals" from the picture. Indeed, you'd only be making them slightly less safe if you did that.
 
2012-07-25 12:58:33 AM  

Aussie_As: ununcle: DempseySR26: Funny the people here calling the scouts bigots are bigots against Christians. Hypocrites.

This.

Repeating myself from another thread, but the Christian church I attended as a teenager welcomed gay people. So I have no idea what you're talking about. Jesus preached tolerance and love.


Nice coin flip.
 
2012-07-25 12:59:34 AM  
DempseySR26: I don't see how Christians are making holding back any gay person from sticking his manhood in a place where another man evacuates his bowels. All they are saying is what they believe. They aren't keeping gay people from doing anything. Want to get married? Get religion because it's a religious ritual. Then go find a priest, preacher, rabbi, imam, wiccan, tree, cow or whatever and just say your vowels. Leave other people alone. It's not cute.I'm a complete and utter idiot who cannot/will not understand the difference between the physical act of intercourse, and sexual orientation, and I cannot comprehend and/or accept that marriage is an invariably secular institution in the United States, with significance for certain religions who would like for us to forget the secular part..

Fixed that for you. It's an understandable mistake.
 
2012-07-25 12:59:58 AM  

BronyMedic: DempseySR26: Funny the people here calling the scouts bigots are bigots against Christians. Hypocrites.

I don't care if you're Christian, Islamic, Jewish, or worship Celestia herself.

Your beliefs don't give you a blank check to actively and unquestioningly exclude or discriminate against anyone for inborn characteristics - be it race, sexual orientation, or ethnic origin. And it's not intolerance to speak out against anyone who would publically hide behind their percieved righteousness and holiness to spout out such nonsense.


Massive Brohoof

Rockin
 
2012-07-25 01:00:18 AM  

golem222: I am getting so sick and tired of the gay community telling people what they should and should not believe as well as think. Being gay is not a normal behavior no matter how much you try to tell me it is. Furthermore there is no reason on earth that will make me think being gay is "ok". Keep the homo out of scouts, for god sakes the organization is gay enough without having actual gays running it.


Now that's how you troll.
 
2012-07-25 01:00:24 AM  

Aussie_As: ununcle: I'm a live and let live person. I honestly could give a fark if someone likes the cack or the crack. But, for the life of me, I'll never understand why a parent should think it's appropriate to send a teen boy or younger into the woods with a stranger/gay man.

You obviously haven't seen the South Park episode about Big Gay Al getting kicked out of his scout leader position.


Cripple Fight! A season five classic pretty much every Scouter with a sense of humor (or at least understands the object lesson of the episode) has on their favorites list.
 
2012-07-25 01:00:51 AM  

Biological Ali: jimk777: Sandusky is a gay or bi pedophile.

Careful... your bigotry is showing.


Yeah, it's amazing to me how some people will on the one hand argue that gays are just normal people yet not accept that means that some are not good people either. I find it hilarious how gays or gay rights activists try to do anything to avoid the obvious point that Sandusky is either gay or bi. Yes he by definition is but so what? I just enjoy calling the activist types on their hypocrisy.

Just because of percentage of the population I assume there are plenty more straight pedophiles who go after little girls but Sandusky didn't go after girls. That doesn't have anything to do with how most gay males would behave but also the fact that there are plenty of straight pedophiles doesn't mean most men would wish to have sex with young girls yet I strongly suspect the girl scouts would not just allow a male to take a bunch of teenage girls into the woods. Really all it means though is not that gays can't be scoutmasters but that boy scouts have similar rules about multiple leaders and so on if in fact hey already do not. Probably best anyway since no matter what boy scouts do they're not going to drive out all the closeted gay or bi pedophiles since there will always be the ones such as Sandusky that almost no one knows about.
 
2012-07-25 01:01:10 AM  

kingmust64: BronyMedic:

And, as individuals, we have the right to stand up for what we believe in, and criticise the scouts for the position they have taken. Just because they are a private group, does not give them a free pass for what they do that is discriminatory and bigoted. They deserve to be called out on that.

The reason it matters is because the push a belief that someone is flawed and evil, and worthy of being excluded from something, simply because of a trait they had no control over, and does not define who they are any more than your heterosexuality defines you. That's the tantamount issue here. They are teaching these kids and teenagers to hate someone for their sexual orientation, not the character of their being.

All throughout my scouting days, gayness never once came up, I wasn't taught anything about it, one way or another. We concentrated on merit badges and camping. You are also associating freedoms with bigotry. I once tried to join the NAACP, much to my surprise, those racist bigots didn't let my white butt in. Kinda sounds a little like that....again, my point in the Boobies, before I sorta drifted, was that these guys knew(or should have known) the policy when they earned their Eagle Awards, now it kinda seems like grandstanding.


You're full of shiat.

Here's the NAACP membership signup link:

https://donate.naacp.org/page/contribute/naacp-adult-membership

Go ahead, look at it. Nowhere on there does it even ask what your race is. The page does show pictures of a few white guys, though. This guy look black to you?

donate.naacp.org

And as a former boy scout, I had absolutely no idea they had any such bigoted policy about being gay until MANY years after I aged out. As a long-time atheist who would leave the god bit out of the boy scout oath and made it damn clear that I had no intention of saying it, I KNOW that they didn't care about that back then.
 
2012-07-25 01:02:30 AM  

BronyMedic: DempseySR26: I don't see how Christians are making holding back any gay person from sticking his manhood in a place where another man evacuates his bowels. All they are saying is what they believe. They aren't keeping gay people from doing anything. Want to get married? Get religion because it's a religious ritual. Then go find a priest, preacher, rabbi, imam, wiccan, tree, cow or whatever and just say your vowels. Leave other people alone. It's not cute.I'm a complete and utter idiot who cannot/will not understand the difference between the physical act of intercourse, and sexual orientation, and I cannot comprehend and/or accept that marriage is an invariably secular institution in the United States, with significance for certain religions who would like for us to forget the secular part..

Fixed that for you. It's an understandable mistake.



Funny all I read was derpy derpy dooo.
 
2012-07-25 01:02:50 AM  

Baloo Uriza: ununcle: I'm a live and let live person. I honestly could give a fark if someone likes the cack or the crack. But, for the life of me, I'll never understand why a parent should think it's appropriate to send a teen boy or younger into the woods with a stranger/gay man.

Sandusky was ostensibly straight, so the gay thing is sort of irrelevant. But it is a good idea to learn who the active members of the troop committee are.


Ha! Is that what the gay community believes? Sandusky was a hetero guy giving gays a bad name. OMG!!! Your farked. Wow.
 
2012-07-25 01:03:02 AM  

DarkVader: kingmust64: BronyMedic:

And, as individuals, we have the right to stand up for what we believe in, and criticise the scouts for the position they have taken. Just because they are a private group, does not give them a free pass for what they do that is discriminatory and bigoted. They deserve to be called out on that.

The reason it matters is because the push a belief that someone is flawed and evil, and worthy of being excluded from something, simply because of a trait they had no control over, and does not define who they are any more than your heterosexuality defines you. That's the tantamount issue here. They are teaching these kids and teenagers to hate someone for their sexual orientation, not the character of their being.

All throughout my scouting days, gayness never once came up, I wasn't taught anything about it, one way or another. We concentrated on merit badges and camping. You are also associating freedoms with bigotry. I once tried to join the NAACP, much to my surprise, those racist bigots didn't let my white butt in. Kinda sounds a little like that....again, my point in the Boobies, before I sorta drifted, was that these guys knew(or should have known) the policy when they earned their Eagle Awards, now it kinda seems like grandstanding.

You're full of shiat.

Here's the NAACP membership signup link:

https://donate.naacp.org/page/contribute/naacp-adult-membership

Go ahead, look at it. Nowhere on there does it even ask what your race is. The page does show pictures of a few white guys, though. This guy look black to you?



And as a former boy scout, I had absolutely no idea they had any such bigoted policy about being gay until MANY years after I aged out. As a long-time atheist who would leave the god bit out of the boy scout oath and made it damn clear that I had no intention of saying it, I KNOW that they didn't care about that back then.


That dude doesn't look black, but he's definitely gay.
 
2012-07-25 01:03:35 AM  

DempseySR26: I don't see how Christians are making holding back any gay person from sticking his manhood in a place where another man evacuates his bowels.


Wait...

Wait, wait, WAIT!

Is THIS what those people do!?

Gotta say: this changes everything.
 
2012-07-25 01:03:53 AM  

Biological Ali: golem222: I am getting so sick and tired of the gay community telling people what they should and should not believe as well as think. Being gay is not a normal behavior no matter how much you try to tell me it is. Furthermore there is no reason on earth that will make me think being gay is "ok". Keep the homo out of scouts, for god sakes the organization is gay enough without having actual gays running it.

Now that's how you troll.


Yeah, that was pretty good.
 
2012-07-25 01:04:07 AM  
From the group's statement: "The BSA is a voluntary, private organization ..."

Just like Southern Baptists (except for the black guy they recently elected, OK)
The John Birch Society.
The KKK.
The Citizens' Councils.

Someone should just figure out an alternate way for boys to learn good citizenship and outdoor skills. Either that, or the integrationist forces need to get clever in their protests and rabble-rousing and really force the issue.

/"Integrationist? More like inte-gay-tionist!"
 
2012-07-25 01:04:44 AM  

Pumpernickel bread: Those that want to allow gay men to go out into the woods with preteen and teen boys seem perfectly willing to put the safety of these kids in peril in the name of political correctness.


Two words you might want to look up in the dictionary: "homosexual" and "pedophile." Please note the distinction. Two names you might want to google: "James Dale" and "Jerry Sandusky." Please note the difference between these two individuals.
 
2012-07-25 01:05:23 AM  

jimk777: Yeah, it's amazing to me how some people will on the one hand argue that gays are just normal people yet not accept that means that some are not good people either. I find it hilarious how gays or gay rights activists try to do anything to avoid the obvious point that Sandusky is either gay or bi. Yes he by definition is but so what? I just enjoy calling the activist types on their hypocrisy.


It pays to do a little research before making claims that fall outside one's own spheres of expertise. It can help one avoid making confident assertions that turn out to be laughably wrong.
 
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