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2012-07-25 12:26:05 AM

untaken_name: Aussie_As: /Looking forward to my month's TF.

I doubt he's gonna make good on the promise, but I did just because I hate it when people do that.


As we say in my part of the world, cheers mate.
 
2012-07-25 12:26:18 AM

captcaveman: What a dumb bunch of morons, like returning your worthless medal will do a damn thing to change a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION that you voluntarily joined and voluntarily fought to earn a piece of metal that you don't need to be successful. You failed to read the fine print of a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION. That means they can do what they want and don't have to give a shiate about your farking opinion while still supporting it. So EAGLE scouts that are so offended by a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION that is upholding its own policies, nothing you do with your medal is going to change that. There is nothing against the law about being a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION with your own laws and standards. If you don't want to be a boy scout, don't. If you are gay male and you want to be a boy scout, you can't. That is not against the law or bigotry in any way. Create the LBGT scouts if you want to. Nothing is stopping you.


they're doing it out of HATE. cause they HATE themselves, and want to see a world where people put on diapers on THEM so they don't have to do ANYTHIGN.
 
2012-07-25 12:26:19 AM
kingmust64: All throughout my scouting days, gayness never once came up, I wasn't taught anything about it, one way or another. We concentrated on merit badges and camping. You are also associating freedoms with bigotry. I once tried to join the NAACP, much to my surprise, those racist bigots didn't let my white butt in. Kinda sounds a little like that....again, my point in the Boobies, before I sorta drifted, was that these guys knew(or should have known) the policy when they earned their Eagle Awards, now it kinda seems like grandstanding.

So an organization making it a matter of public policy to exclude certain groups of people who have done nothing wrong, and are only done that way because of an inborn characteristic which they have no control over doesn't teach children and teens to discriminate against them?

I wish I lived in a fantasy world like you. It would me much more fun.
 
2012-07-25 12:26:20 AM

captcaveman: That is not against the law or bigotry in any way.


That troll was kinda sorta plausible up until this sentence. You gotta learn when to quit, kid.
 
2012-07-25 12:26:25 AM

RadioAaron: untaken_name: I doubt he's gonna make good on the promise, but I did just because I hate it when people do that.

Atta boy. ;)


You really should not welch on your bets. You'll have a hard time finding future action if you're known as a welcher.
 
2012-07-25 12:26:42 AM

diaphoresis: Just for the record, your stupid is showing. Didn't submit, and I simply shortened it using language with my life partner.


In that case, next time, use quotation marks. Seriously, that's a stupid-as-fark word and we don't need it catching on.
 
2012-07-25 12:26:58 AM

Fano: PhiloeBedoe: So, the organization in which grown men take young boys to frolic overnight in the woods and help sew things on their sashes, doesn't like gay people?

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Hehe, very clever


WOW! that's great!
 
2012-07-25 12:27:02 AM

Pumpernickel bread: Being gay isn't a choice and gay adults should be able to do whatever they want with other gay adults...including get married, but I think the Boy Scouts are right here. Those that want to allow gay men to go out into the woods with preteen and teen boys seem perfectly willing to put the safety of these kids in peril in the name of political correctness. The simple truth of the matter is that if men that are known to be attracted to young men are put in a position of power over a group of them and then be permitted to take them out to secluded places, abuse of that power is bound to happen. 99% of gay men wanting to serve as scoutmasters would probably serve admirably, but undoubtedly there would be those looking to abuse that power for sexual gratification. The Jerry Sanduskys of the world would all be applying to be scoutmasters.


You do know that being gay doesn't mean you're a pedophile, right? Or a sexual predator? Or a rapist?
 
2012-07-25 12:27:22 AM
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2012-07-25 12:27:59 AM

untaken_name: You really should not welch on your bets. You'll have a hard time finding future action if you're known as a welcher.


I get a mulligan when I make stupid mistakes, such as quoting from the wrong post. That wasn't in your contract?
 
2012-07-25 12:28:38 AM

PhiloeBedoe: So, the organization in which grown men take young boys to frolic overnight in the woods and help sew things on their sashes, doesn't like gay people?


Gays aren't pedophiles, numbnuts.
 
2012-07-25 12:29:05 AM

BronyMedic: kingmust64: All throughout my scouting days, gayness never once came up, I wasn't taught anything about it, one way or another. We concentrated on merit badges and camping. You are also associating freedoms with bigotry. I once tried to join the NAACP, much to my surprise, those racist bigots didn't let my white butt in. Kinda sounds a little like that....again, my point in the Boobies, before I sorta drifted, was that these guys knew(or should have known) the policy when they earned their Eagle Awards, now it kinda seems like grandstanding.

So an organization making it a matter of public policy to exclude certain groups of people who have done nothing wrong, and are only done that way because of an inborn characteristic which they have no control over doesn't teach children and teens to discriminate against them?

I wish I lived in a fantasy world like you. It would me much more fun.


Hence the now bolded NAACP crack, dude. Good for the goose is NOT good for the gander?
 
2012-07-25 12:29:14 AM

heap: jimk777: Okay so he's bi. Either that or closeted for 45 years which sounds a lot more likely.

or maybe he's a goddamned pedophile.


I bet he buggers the young lads during the Order of the Arrow ceremony, while dressed as an Indian, of course.
 
2012-07-25 12:29:21 AM

Alleyoop: Don't like it? Go start your own club and leave ours alone.


For what reason do you support and endorse irrational bigotry?
 
2012-07-25 12:30:07 AM

jimk777: Aussie_As: Because Jerry Sandusky is so gay. The wife of 45 years, how totally gay that was.

Okay so he's bi. Either that or closeted for 45 years which sounds a lot more likely. By definition the only thing gay means is wanting to have sex with other males. That's it. Whether you're a pedo or are into some specific fetish not does not affect whether you are gay, straight or bi. The only thing that affects it is what gender(s) you have sex with. That's it.


So by your logic, the Girl Guides and the Brownies need to be throwing out any straight men involved with these organisations? Because they are attracted to grown women? Riiiiight.
 
2012-07-25 12:30:31 AM

Alleyoop: Don't like it? Go start your own club and leave ours alone.


Just as soon as this "private" club stops taking public money.
 
2012-07-25 12:30:32 AM

thatboyoverthere:
My dad had an ex-marine as a scoutmaster. Problem was that he had PTSD from Vietnam.... Yeah there are some interesting stories there.


Ah hah, I can imagine that. Luckily, the father of the other scout's most previous deployment had been Desert Storm, so nothing near as gruesome as I imagine those were.
 
2012-07-25 12:31:03 AM

heap: jimk777: Okay so he's bi. Either that or closeted for 45 years which sounds a lot more likely.

or maybe he's a goddamned pedophile.


I haven't read anything about Sandusky having sex with little girls. This probably is too difficult a concept for you to handle but age has nothing to do with gender. Sandusky is a gay or bi pedophile. Pedophilia is simply the form of sex he wants not the gender he wants it with.
 
2012-07-25 12:31:32 AM

kingmust64: Hence the now bolded NAACP crack, dude. Good for the goose is NOT good for the gander?


White people can join the NAACP. You fail.
 
2012-07-25 12:31:36 AM

captcaveman: What a dumb bunch of morons, like returning your worthless medal will do a damn thing to change a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION that you voluntarily joined and voluntarily fought to earn a piece of metal that you don't need to be successful. You failed to read the fine print of a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION. That means they can do what they want and don't have to give a shiate about your farking opinion while still supporting it. So EAGLE scouts that are so offended by a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION that is upholding its own policies, nothing you do with your medal is going to change that. There is nothing against the law about being a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION with your own laws and standards. If you don't want to be a boy scout, don't. If you are gay male and you want to be a boy scout, you can't. That is not against the law or bigotry in any way. Create the LBGT scouts if you want to. Nothing is stopping you.


The Boy Scouts of America's policy of prohibiting membership by homosexuals is, in fact, "bigotry". Your claim, therefore is a lie.
 
2012-07-25 12:31:49 AM

Mistymtnhop: What do you mean by "I don't think homosexuality is right myself"?


i just assumed 'skywolf' was fark's resident name changing furry. redskychaserstormweirdothemagificent, or whatever. that wouldn't even be on a top 10 weirdest things said list if it were the case.
 
2012-07-25 12:31:57 AM

kingmust64: Hence the now bolded NAACP crack, dude. Good for the goose is NOT good for the gander?


Probably be funnier if there weren't, you know, many hundreds of white members of the NAACP, and I didn't know more than one personally...
 
2012-07-25 12:32:33 AM

BronyMedic: Local member organizations are given a blank slate to run out those who are not religious - Atheists and Agnostics - and it's a rather uncomfortable position for anyone who is NOT a Christian due to their close ties with local churches.


My troop met in the gymnasium of a Presbyterian church. Most of the membership was Other (Oregon's not exactly a religious place in general), then Episcopalian, Jewish, or Lutheran, in roughly that order of prevalence. It'd be news to me if anybody in my troop actually attended the church we met in except when invited to attend on Scout Sunday, in which a few would go through the motions with our host church to be polite (hey, where else are you going to get free rent for a troop in the 5-15 patrol range?). It would actually be news to me if anyone from my troop actually attended the church we met in regularly. Or any religious service at all outside that once-a-year instance.
 
2012-07-25 12:33:03 AM

jimk777: Sandusky is a gay or bi pedophile.


Careful... your bigotry is showing.
 
2012-07-25 12:33:10 AM
How far along in this merit-badge-obtaining process does one get, typically, when he learns to construct his closet?
 
2012-07-25 12:33:44 AM

jimk777: heap: jimk777: Okay so he's bi. Either that or closeted for 45 years which sounds a lot more likely.

or maybe he's a goddamned pedophile.

I haven't read anything about Sandusky having sex with little girls. This probably is too difficult a concept for you to handle but age has nothing to do with gender. Sandusky is a gay or bi pedophile. Pedophilia is simply the form of sex he wants not the gender he wants it with.


FAIL
under 18 (16-17 in some juristdictions) there is NO classification of who you're having sex with.
 
2012-07-25 12:33:45 AM

RadioAaron: kingmust64: Hence the now bolded NAACP crack, dude. Good for the goose is NOT good for the gander?

White people can join the NAACP. You fail.


Not in South Texas. LULAC either. also, joke.
 
2012-07-25 12:33:48 AM

jimk777: I haven't read anything about Sandusky having sex with little girls


i haven't seen anything about sandusky having sex with men, either.

to say he's 'closeted' is implicit - he's a goddamned pedophile. there is no out of the closet for pedophilia, there's just jail for being a sick twisted fark.

that has shiat nor shinola to do with 'gay'. gay men have sex with other men. not children. conflating the two is deliberately goofy.
 
2012-07-25 12:34:18 AM

Dimensio: Then either you or Pumpernickel bread should be able to demonstrate that problems result from the British "Scout Association" due to that organization's failure to prohibit membership of homosexual individuals. Please do so.


I don't know what you mean.
 
2012-07-25 12:34:20 AM

kingmust64: I AM an Eagle Scout, and this is stupid. It's not like this is a new stance for the Scouts. These Eagle Scouts knew(or should have known) this was policy when they got their medals, and now they turn them back in? What's the point? It would make sense if it was a reversal of ideals, but it's not. Same with the Chick-Fil-A thing. Besides, what does it matter? Chick-Fil-A makes food, not pointy things to skewer gayblack people, their thoughts about homosexualityAfricans, or quantum physics, or is the sky really blue does not affect that. Same with the scouts. They teach real world problem solving, survival skills, integrity, and yes some religion....but who cares, they get the boys away from the TV for a little bit and make them that much better. It's not like (I will preface this with a huge MOST) they are teaching kids that "gaynegros are bad, mmkay", they just, as a private club, decided not to allow openly gaynegro members and leaders. Narrow line, but there it is.


FTFY
 
2012-07-25 12:34:55 AM

kingmust64: also, joke troll.


Go away.
 
2012-07-25 12:35:24 AM

Dimensio: captcaveman: What a dumb bunch of morons, like returning your worthless medal will do a damn thing to change a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION that you voluntarily joined and voluntarily fought to earn a piece of metal that you don't need to be successful. You failed to read the fine print of a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION. That means they can do what they want and don't have to give a shiate about your farking opinion while still supporting it. So EAGLE scouts that are so offended by a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION that is upholding its own policies, nothing you do with your medal is going to change that. There is nothing against the law about being a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION with your own laws and standards. If you don't want to be a boy scout, don't. If you are gay male and you want to be a boy scout, you can't. That is not against the law or bigotry in any way. Create the LBGT scouts if you want to. Nothing is stopping you.

The Boy Scouts of America's policy of prohibiting membership by homosexuals is, in fact, "bigotry". Your claim, therefore is a lie.


Its still a private organization. Your argument is invalid.
 
2012-07-25 12:36:26 AM

Skywolf Philosopher: Eh, I don't think homosexuality is right myself, but I do advocate free will.


If you believe people should be allowed to live their lives to suit their preferences, you do not believe homosexuality is wrong. You just need to admit it to yourself.
 
2012-07-25 12:37:16 AM

BronyMedic: serial_crusher: I disagree with the stupid rules currently in action, but still stand by the organization and its principles. Sending back your Eagle is like moving to Canada because you don't like the guy that got elected as President.

Uh, no.

Sending back your Eagle Medal is like returning your Presidential Medal of Freedom because the Administration is doing something flippiantly idiotic. It's a major statement of protest against their bigotry. Being an Eagle Scout is a big deal in the adult world - it gives you an edge on getting into certain colleges, getting into education programs that are restricted access, getting certain jobs and political appointments, consideration for military rank upon enlistment, and even getting loans and financhial aid.

You're basically saying you accomplished one of the hardest things to do as an adolescent. It signifies that you have commited a substantial amount of years of your life, starting at the age of 11, to completeing the requirements and obtaining over 21 merit badges which each have their own individual, time consuming criteria, that you've served in multiple positions of leadership in your troop, and that you've spent hundreds of hours doing community service projects, not to mention an individual Eagle Scout project which you spend a lot of time and money doing, and has to be approved at a regional level by the BSA. And you have to be done BEFORE your 18th birthday, and have your approval for the award. Otherwise, you become inelegable. Less than 10% of Boy Scouts ever get to the point where they are even considered.

This isn't something you get just for being in Scouts until you're 18. You work your ass off to earn this thing. And it means a LOT outside of scouts.


I think the Army will even bump you up to E-2, giving you a 4 month advantage over your peers!
 
2012-07-25 12:37:41 AM
good.
 
2012-07-25 12:38:04 AM

kingmust64: also, joke.


netlor.ru
 
2012-07-25 12:38:18 AM

Skywolf Philosopher: I don't think homosexuality is right myself



It's right if you're a homosexual.
 
2012-07-25 12:38:59 AM

jimk777: heap: jimk777: Okay so he's bi. Either that or closeted for 45 years which sounds a lot more likely.

or maybe he's a goddamned pedophile.

I haven't read anything about Sandusky having sex with little girls. This probably is too difficult a concept for you to handle but age has nothing to do with gender. Sandusky is a gay or bi pedophile. Pedophilia is simply the form of sex he wants not the gender he wants it with.


Pedophilia, like rape, is non-consensual. It's not about sex. It's about violation and power. Mixing it up with a regular discussion about homosexuality is simply offensive to all non-pedophiles and non-rapists, because what you say about gay men and boys would by definition apply to straight men and girls.
 
2012-07-25 12:39:47 AM

kingmust64: RadioAaron: kingmust64: Hence the now bolded NAACP crack, dude. Good for the goose is NOT good for the gander?

White people can join the NAACP. You fail.

Not in South Texas. LULAC either. also, joke.


That is an absolute lie.
 
2012-07-25 12:40:02 AM
Funny the people here calling the scouts bigots are bigots against Christians. Hypocrites.
 
2012-07-25 12:40:15 AM

Lawnchair: BronyMedic: serial_crusher: Ideally I'd like to change the BSA from within, but realistically I haven't been that active in my adult years.

Good luck with that. The structure of the BSA is that of an organization which not only condones religious fundamentalism, but actively works to encourage it. Local member organizations are given a blank slate to run out those who are not religious - Atheists and Agnostics - and it's a rather uncomfortable position for anyone who is NOT a Christian due to their close ties with local churches. On the surface, the BSA tries to appear all inclusive and tolerant, but once you're in, the reality is quite different.

It somewhat varies by region. But, in a lot of the country, the LDS has run the show since the early 90s. They've pretty much taken over BSA district/council leadership around here (a not-notably-Mormon part of the country), partially because no one else really cares enough to volunteer, and partially because they have a lot of sons involved per capita.

So, in some ways they've actually toned down the evangelical fundamentalism that was strong was I was a boy in the 80s. If half the leaders are LDS and a third of the boys are, they aren't going to sit for much non-LDS-theology, but also can't really get too LDS-y, either. So, they instead focus more on generally conservative politics (anti-gay, anti-agnostic, 2nd Amendment NRA brochures, etc).


The bigoted BS is just that, the 2nd amendment stuff is COMPETELY within the purview of scouting. Remeber that boyscouts was a small offshoot of lord Powell's attempts to teach basic scouting techniques including survival, cooking, tracking, hunting and sharpshooting to both uneducated working class folks and near worthless gentry officers. Basically it's a paramilitary organization dedicated to teaching the youth the skills they would need to be good front line soldiers.
 
2012-07-25 12:40:34 AM

phrawgh: Slives: I greatly enjoyed Scouting as a kid and would like to get my son into it next year. I really hope I can find a troop that at least takes a neutral position on this. Been trying very hard to not teach him any bigotry and I sure don't need it coming from an organization I am encouraging him to join.

Good for you. I assuming he doesn't attend church either. Letting him wait until after the age of consent to choose a religion is the right way to go. Kudos!


you don't think it might be bigotry of your own to categorically state that all churches espouse bigotry?
 
2012-07-25 12:41:44 AM

captcaveman: Dimensio: captcaveman: What a dumb bunch of morons, like returning your worthless medal will do a damn thing to change a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION that you voluntarily joined and voluntarily fought to earn a piece of metal that you don't need to be successful. You failed to read the fine print of a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION. That means they can do what they want and don't have to give a shiate about your farking opinion while still supporting it. So EAGLE scouts that are so offended by a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION that is upholding its own policies, nothing you do with your medal is going to change that. There is nothing against the law about being a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION with your own laws and standards. If you don't want to be a boy scout, don't. If you are gay male and you want to be a boy scout, you can't. That is not against the law or bigotry in any way. Create the LBGT scouts if you want to. Nothing is stopping you.

The Boy Scouts of America's policy of prohibiting membership by homosexuals is, in fact, "bigotry". Your claim, therefore is a lie.

Its still a private organization. Your argument is invalid.


Actually, its not.
 
2012-07-25 12:41:55 AM

Aussie_As: jimk777: heap: jimk777: Okay so he's bi. Either that or closeted for 45 years which sounds a lot more likely.

or maybe he's a goddamned pedophile.

I haven't read anything about Sandusky having sex with little girls. This probably is too difficult a concept for you to handle but age has nothing to do with gender. Sandusky is a gay or bi pedophile. Pedophilia is simply the form of sex he wants not the gender he wants it with.

Pedophilia, like rape, is non-consensual. It's not about sex. It's about violation and power. Mixing it up with a regular discussion about homosexuality is simply offensive to all non-pedophiles and non-rapists, because what you say about gay men and boys would by definition apply to straight men and girls.


I'm pretty sure rape is at least a little bit about sex. I mean, it does involve having sex with someone.
 
2012-07-25 12:42:46 AM

DempseySR26: Funny the people here calling the scouts bigots are bigots against Christians. Hypocrites.


This.
 
2012-07-25 12:43:26 AM
My troop never talked religion, or any of this stuff. We also only wore the uniforms at meetings, never in public, thank god. It was pretty much all about camping, and was pretty awesome. I was on the cusp of being an Eagle scout, even did my project, but can't recall what I never got around to.

/whitewater rafting, fishing, backpacking
//no talk about bigotry
 
2012-07-25 12:43:33 AM
DempseySR26: Funny the people here calling the scouts bigots are bigots against Christians. Hypocrites.

I don't care if you're Christian, Islamic, Jewish, or worship Celestia herself.

Your beliefs don't give you a blank check to actively and unquestioningly exclude or discriminate against anyone for inborn characteristics - be it race, sexual orientation, or ethnic origin. And it's not intolerance to speak out against anyone who would publically hide behind their percieved righteousness and holiness to spout out such nonsense.
 
2012-07-25 12:43:42 AM
People are just a bunch of braying donkeys with a myopic understanding of life. Who the fark cares about social constructs, morons, that's who. Because they are so farking pathetically stupid, small, and narrow minded that they want to make huge significant differences out of what is essentially nothing of meaning.
 
2012-07-25 12:44:46 AM

ununcle: Dimensio: Then either you or Pumpernickel bread should be able to demonstrate that problems result from the British "Scout Association" due to that organization's failure to prohibit membership of homosexual individuals. Please do so.

I don't know what you mean.


The British "Boy Scouts of America" analog organization, "The Scouting Association", does not prohibit homosexuals from serving as members. If your concerns are valid, then you should be able to cite data from that British organization as supporting evidence.
 
2012-07-25 12:45:33 AM

Aussie_As: jimk777: heap: jimk777: Okay so he's bi. Either that or closeted for 45 years which sounds a lot more likely.

or maybe he's a goddamned pedophile.

I haven't read anything about Sandusky having sex with little girls. This probably is too difficult a concept for you to handle but age has nothing to do with gender. Sandusky is a gay or bi pedophile. Pedophilia is simply the form of sex he wants not the gender he wants it with.

Pedophilia, like rape, is non-consensual. It's not about sex. It's about violation and power. Mixing it up with a regular discussion about homosexuality is simply offensive to all non-pedophiles and non-rapists, because what you say about gay men and boys would by definition apply to straight men and girls.


homosexuality isn't about sex either. it's about getting aides!

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