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2012-07-25 12:07:47 AM  

Slives: I really hope I can find a troop that at least takes a neutral position on this.


That shouldn't be too hard, just ask Penn and Teller.

/Or former Mormon scouts, who probably have experiences with scouts their own age that'll make anyone blush...
 
2012-07-25 12:07:58 AM  
stiletto_the_wise: Come on... that's stretching it a bit.

I've never filled out a job application and had a check box that said "Eagle Scout".
The mortgage paperwork I had to fill out didn't ask.
Scouting has never come up in conversation with friends or co-workers, and I don't see any doors that were shut to me because I wasn't an Eagle Scout.

And to be honest, if someone did mention to me they were an Eagle Scout today, my first thought, sadly, would be, "So how's the gay bashing going?" ...even though I know better (some of my family members are Scouts).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_Scout_(Boy_Scouts_of_America)#Afte r _becoming_an_Eagle_Scout

Eagle Scouts are expected to set an example for other Scouts and to become the leaders in life that they have demonstrated themselves to be in Scouting. As such, they are disproportionately represented in the military, service academy graduates, in higher education and academia, major professions, the clergy, business and politics.[36][37] Eagle Scouts who enlist in the U.S. Armed Forces may receive advanced rank in recognition of their achievements.[38][39][40]
Adult Scouters who earned Eagle Scout as a youth may wear a square knot emblem with a red, white, and blue striped square knot above the left shirt pocket; the medal may be worn on formal occasions[23]. Eagle Scouts may join the National Eagle Scout Association (NESA), which serves as a fellowship and communications board for all Eagle Scouts.
NESA directly administers several Eagle Scout scholarships.[41] The American Legion,[42] the National Jewish Committee on Scouting,[43] and the Sons of the American Revolution[44] offer scholarships directed toward Eagle Scouts. Many colleges and universities, local businesses, churches and other organizations may offer similar scholarships.
The Distinguished Eagle Scout Award is given only to Eagle Scouts for distinguished service in their profession and the community for a period of at least 25 years after earning Eagle Scout.

It's a big farking deal.
 
2012-07-25 12:08:52 AM  
I'd say give it a few years. Right now the BSA has their hands full trying to get rid of all the grown men who like boys, so now may not be the best time to also invite in boys and adolescents who like boys. One problem at a time, I guess.
 
2012-07-25 12:09:04 AM  

diaphoresis: ... pro-hetero ...


I'm going to guess that you submitted this, because until this headline, I'd never seen "Pro-heterosexual" before.

Just for the record, you aren't very good at inventing words.
 
2012-07-25 12:09:14 AM  
I AM an Eagle Scout, and this is stupid. It's not like this is a new stance for the Scouts. These Eagle Scouts knew(or should have known) this was policy when they got their medals, and now they turn them back in? What's the point? It would make sense if it was a reversal of ideals, but it's not. Same with the Chick-Fil-A thing. Besides, what does it matter? Chick-Fil-A makes food, not pointy things to skewer gay people, their thoughts about homosexuality, or quantum physics, or is the sky really blue does not affect that. Same with the scouts. They teach real world problem solving, survival skills, integrity, and yes some religion....but who cares, they get the boys away from the TV for a little bit and make them that much better. It's not like (I will preface this with a huge MOST) they are teaching kids that "gay are bad, mmkay", they just, as a private club, decided not to allow openly gay members and leaders. Narrow line, but there it is.
 
2012-07-25 12:09:15 AM  

TOG85: I went to Life Scout during my years, never made it to Eagle, though I had started. I'm also a member of the military. As the military just recently changed from "don't ask, don't tell" to "just don't make it awkward," I would assume the boy scouts won't be too awful far behind. People may be trying to condemn them, but its still a very fine organization that teaches kids a lot, and "promotes" pyromaniacs. At least that's how it was back when I was in.

Smeggy Smurf: Of all the troops I was involved with, the military ones were the best. Anything attached to a church was a fustercluck of bullshiat church politics. Having a small detachment from SEAL Team 1 (Kodiak) as assistant scoutmasters was awesome.

/most important thing I learned from Scouting was the proper way to tie knots
//Mrs. Smurf loves I earned my Eagle

We had an ex-marine who was the father of another scout, he made things a blast when camping and at summer camps!


My dad had an ex-marine as a scoutmaster. Problem was that he had PTSD from Vietnam.... Yeah there are some interesting stories there.
 
2012-07-25 12:09:44 AM  

Pumpernickel bread: Being gay isn't a choice and gay adults should be able to do whatever they want with other gay adults...including get married, but I think the Boy Scouts are right here. Those that want to allow gay men to go out into the woods with preteen and teen boys seem perfectly willing to put the safety of these kids in peril in the name of political correctness. The simple truth of the matter is that if men that are known to be attracted to young men are put in a position of power over a group of them and then be permitted to take them out to secluded places, abuse of that power is bound to happen. 99% of gay men wanting to serve as scoutmasters would probably serve admirably, but undoubtedly there would be those looking to abuse that power for sexual gratification. The Jerry Sanduskys of the world would all be applying to be scoutmasters.


This,,
My daughter has a passion for photography/wedding planner/ have fun , and her first wedding was a gay one. She asked if I had a problem with that and I said no. I have no problem with gay people. I only have a problem with the "agenda' that wants to flip sexuality upside down where it's supposed to be appropriate for a gay man to be surrounded by teen boys in the middle of the woods, yet considered lunacy for a hetero male to be surrounded by teen girls in the woods. Neither one is appropriate. She understood.
 
2012-07-25 12:10:28 AM  

serial_crusher: I disagree with the stupid rules currently in action, but still stand by the organization and its principles. Sending back your Eagle is like moving to Canada because you don't like the guy that got elected as President.


You'd have more of a point if positions at the National Council were elected, or even representatively elected by proxy, based on the vote of the rank and file membership. This is more like moving to Florida because Castro named himself dictator for life. I mean, if we're going to use hyperbole by stupid metaphor, at least get the symbols right.
 
2012-07-25 12:10:50 AM  

stiletto_the_wise: BronyMedic: Being an Eagle Scout is a big deal in the adult world - it gives you an edge on getting into certain colleges, getting into education programs that are restricted access, getting certain jobs and political appointments, consideration for military rank upon enlistment, and even getting loans and financhial aid.

Come on... that's stretching it a bit.

I've never filled out a job application and had a check box that said "Eagle Scout".
The mortgage paperwork I had to fill out didn't ask.
Scouting has never come up in conversation with friends or co-workers, and I don't see any doors that were shut to me because I wasn't an Eagle Scout.

And to be honest, if someone did mention to me they were an Eagle Scout today, my first thought, sadly, would be, "So how's the gay bashing going?" ...even though I know better (some of my family members are Scouts).

That's how bad the mental association between Scouting and bigotry has gotten. This is a real PR nightmare for the 'Scouts.


I do more then my share of hiring (more like recommending to HR, but still, they have to get through me first) and I've seen more then a few list "Eagle Scout" somewhere on their CV. Next time one crosses my desk, I might just interview to ask him if he's sent it back yet. Definitely not hiring any bigots here.

/If there's one thing I can't tolerate, its intolerance.
 
2012-07-25 12:10:51 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Goes to show that Scouting does turn boys into men with good principles.


Only the ones who leave?
 
2012-07-25 12:12:00 AM  

serial_crusher: platedlizard: Mugato: So uh...do the um, Girl Scouts allow...nothing, nothing.

The Girl Scouts allow LGBTQ members and volunteers, if that's what you're asking.

All couples have to sleep in separate tents, however.

Outrage! I'm going to send back my...eagle...cookie...or whatever it is they give out.


Gold Award. I know this because my high school sweetheart earned it. Then promptly joined the Explorers and got a job at the same Boy Scout camp I worked at.
 
2012-07-25 12:13:17 AM  

Pumpernickel bread: Being gay isn't a choice and gay adults should be able to do whatever they want with other gay adults...including get married, but I think the Boy Scouts are right here. Those that want to allow gay men to go out into the woods with preteen and teen boys seem perfectly willing to put the safety of these kids in peril in the name of political correctness. The simple truth of the matter is that if men that are known to be attracted to young men are put in a position of power over a group of them and then be permitted to take them out to secluded places, abuse of that power is bound to happen. 99% of gay men wanting to serve as scoutmasters would probably serve admirably, but undoubtedly there would be those looking to abuse that power for sexual gratification. The Jerry Sanduskys of the world would all be applying to be scoutmasters.


You have posted this exact comment in a previous discussion. It is no less intellectually dishonest then than it was when you initially posted it.
 
2012-07-25 12:13:41 AM  

Biological Ali: The more you eat the more you fart: I guess i see the point, but think it means more if something is done independently knowing u arent gonna have news stories about it....and i know of at least 4 other men that were in BSA when i was that have done the same thing.

Means more to who, precisely?


How can it "mean more" if nobody knows that highly esteemed members of a bigoted organization are opposing the organization's evil and bigotry? What make changes occur is when those highly esteemed members attack the evil at its root.

Not unlike us here on Fark solving the problems of the world and not letting anyone else know about it.
 
2012-07-25 12:13:51 AM  

BronyMedic: It's a big farking deal.


25-30 years back, far more so. Now? I'm not at the sending back my Eagle level (even though the BSA have been in frequent fight mode with my liberal church), but I'm not putting on my resume either. Because, for a whole lot of Americans (like stilleto_the_wise above mentions), 'reactionary stance' is the first thing they free-associate with Boy Scouts.
 
2012-07-25 12:13:57 AM  

BronyMedic: ...

It's a big farking deal.


OK, so a few scholarships and you get a head start on your rank if you happen to join the military. Hardly the leg up on life some people paint it as.
 
2012-07-25 12:13:58 AM  
if I hand't been fondled as a boy scout, I'd be against this.
 
2012-07-25 12:14:10 AM  
Can't gay boys just join the girl scouts and vis-versa? I'm sure the Scouts could get on board with that.
 
2012-07-25 12:14:20 AM  

RadioAaron: Aussie_As: The Jerry Sanduskys of the world would all be applying to be scoutmasters.

As if they aren't already!? Are you that delusional, or just trolling?

/A month's TF on the latter.


Well you lose, because you have attributed a statement to me I never made. You need to be pointing that one at Pumpernickel Bread. The stuff in italics is the bit where I WAS QUOTING SOMEONE ELSE. The bit NOT in italics is what I said. Please come back when you've actually got the hang of this site.

/Looking forward to my month's TF.
 
2012-07-25 12:14:28 AM  
again, i didn't last too long in scouts, so maybe my experience isn't the norm

were all of you being taken out in the woods with one single solitary adult in charge of your activities?

there were always at least 3 parents, including mothers (complete with mommy parts) involved in herding our retarded little asses around, whether it was camping or any other activity.

do gay people emit 'solitarium' from their pores that somehow changes this situation to where they're able to corral 30 9 year olds in the wilderness themselves, so they may properly roger them?
 
2012-07-25 12:14:29 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: diaphoresis: ... pro-hetero ...

I'm going to guess that you submitted this, because until this headline, I'd never seen "Pro-heterosexual" before.

Just for the record, you aren't very good at inventing words.


Just for the record, your stupid is showing. Didn't submit, and I simply shortened it using language with my life partner.
 
2012-07-25 12:14:59 AM  

stiletto_the_wise:

And to be honest, if someone did mention to me they were an Eagle Scout today, my first thought, sadly, would be, "So how's the gay bashing going?" ...even though I know better (some of my family members are Scouts).



That's like going up to a white guy and asking how the racism is going. Or a Muslim and asking how the terrorism is going. Guilt by association does not become you.
 
2012-07-25 12:15:01 AM  
kingmust64: I AM an Eagle Scout, and this is stupid. It's not like this is a new stance for the Scouts. These Eagle Scouts knew(or should have known) this was policy when they got their medals, and now they turn them back in? What's the point? It would make sense if it was a reversal of ideals, but it's not. Same with the Chick-Fil-A thing. Besides, what does it matter? Chick-Fil-A makes food, not pointy things to skewer gay people, their thoughts about homosexuality, or quantum physics, or is the sky really blue does not affect that. Same with the scouts. They teach real world problem solving, survival skills, integrity, and yes some religion....but who cares, they get the boys away from the TV for a little bit and make them that much better. It's not like (I will preface this with a huge MOST) they are teaching kids that "gay are bad, mmkay", they just, as a private club, decided not to allow openly gay members and leaders. Narrow line, but there it is.

I think you're missing the point here.

As a private organization with no federal funding, the Scouts are free to do and say what they want. Just like the Klan, The Aryan Nation, and the Nation of Islam are free to say and do what they want.

And, as individuals, we have the right to stand up for what we believe in, and criticise the scouts for the position they have taken. Just because they are a private group, does not give them a free pass for what they do that is discriminatory and bigoted. They deserve to be called out on that.

The reason it matters is because the push a belief that someone is flawed and evil, and worthy of being excluded from something, simply because of a trait they had no control over, and does not define who they are any more than your heterosexuality defines you. That's the tantamount issue here. They are teaching these kids and teenagers to hate someone for their sexual orientation, not the character of their being.
 
2012-07-25 12:15:04 AM  
I grew up camping almost every weekend and most of the summer, clearing land, building, gold mining, fishing, hunting... and in my circle, the scouts were all campfire rings, marshmallows and minivans full of school-type discipline. We were actually out there doing it without all the medals and tush pats. My eagle medal? Having my own commercial fishing business... teaching a series of crewmen to fish effectively... who knows. We certainly didn't need no stinking badges.
 
2012-07-25 12:15:11 AM  
You know who else returned his medals?
www.westernjournalism.com
(picture taken before said medal return but after committing heinous war crimes)
 
2012-07-25 12:16:02 AM  
I was in scouting and made it all the way up to Senior Patrol Leader, before starting an Explorer unit.
Catholic troop (troop 50 St Mary's Menasha WI if I recall)
Yes all us kids did the "circle jerk" in a tent to see who was the biggest.
Had an assistant scoutmaster "Speedy" who was looking back yes gay.
They were called "lifelong bachelors" at the time (late 70's).
But hey at least to this day I can tie my shoes and recite the words to "Kumbaya" from memory...
 
2012-07-25 12:17:04 AM  

Pumpernickel bread: Being atheist isn't a choice and atheist adults should be able to do whatever they want with other atheist adults...including get married, but I think the Boy Scouts are right here. Those that want to allow atheist men to go out into the woods with pre-religious and religious boys seem perfectly willing to put the faith of these kids in peril in the name of political correctness. The simple truth of the matter is that if men that are known to be attracted to deconverting the religious are put in a position of power over a group of them and then be permitted to take them out to secluded places, abuse of that power is bound to happen. 99% of atheist men wanting to serve as scoutmasters would probably serve admirably, but undoubtedly there would be those looking to abuse that power for philosophical gratification. The Richard Dawkinses of the world would all be applying to be scoutmasters.


FTFY.

Over a hundred Eagle Scouts have already returned their Eagle Scout badge over this policy. Doesn't seem to make the news as much, and there's far less justification for it.
 
2012-07-25 12:17:25 AM  

BronyMedic: think you're missing the point here.

As a private organization with no federal funding, the Scouts are free to do and say what they want.


as a 'private organization' that does receive federal funding, this middle ground between private and public hinging on the convenience of the stance at hand is a goddamned joke.
 
2012-07-25 12:17:33 AM  

stiletto_the_wise: BronyMedic: ...

It's a big farking deal.

OK, so a few scholarships and you get a head start on your rank if you happen to join the military. Hardly the leg up on life some people paint it as.


Oh, and this is not meant to diminish the amount of work it takes to become an Eagle Scout. I've seen it--it's a lot of work and dedication. It's just that---well, if I had it, I wouldn't put it on my resume if I was looking for a job in San Francisco :-)
 
2012-07-25 12:18:21 AM  

CuttySupreme: I'm sick and tired of all this whining. Don't join Boy Scouts then, go start queer scouts or something.


This isn't about whether or not we can join or not. See, I am 1) Straight, 2) Too old for the scouts, and 3) Wasn't interested in them even when I was a kid.

My beef is that they are using -our- money and -our- resources to do -their- bigoted fundy thing.
Got why I have a beef now?
 
2012-07-25 12:18:52 AM  

BronyMedic: Less than 10% of Boy Scouts ever get to the point where they are even considered.


As of 2000, it was 2%. And a little over half of that 2% don't make the cut. I was one of the ones that got close but didn't make the cut (though three other members of my patrol (typ. 7 or 8 members, five were the same every year) got Eagle, and my troop usually had a new eagle every 8 or 9 months...T592 was something of a supertroop).

/csb...
 
2012-07-25 12:19:27 AM  

ununcle: Pumpernickel bread: Being gay isn't a choice and gay adults should be able to do whatever they want with other gay adults...including get married, but I think the Boy Scouts are right here. Those that want to allow gay men to go out into the woods with preteen and teen boys seem perfectly willing to put the safety of these kids in peril in the name of political correctness. The simple truth of the matter is that if men that are known to be attracted to young men are put in a position of power over a group of them and then be permitted to take them out to secluded places, abuse of that power is bound to happen. 99% of gay men wanting to serve as scoutmasters would probably serve admirably, but undoubtedly there would be those looking to abuse that power for sexual gratification. The Jerry Sanduskys of the world would all be applying to be scoutmasters.

This,,
My daughter has a passion for photography/wedding planner/ have fun , and her first wedding was a gay one. She asked if I had a problem with that and I said no. I have no problem with gay people. I only have a problem with the "agenda' that wants to flip sexuality upside down where it's supposed to be appropriate for a gay man to be surrounded by teen boys in the middle of the woods, yet considered lunacy for a hetero male to be surrounded by teen girls in the woods. Neither one is appropriate. She understood.


Then either you or Pumpernickel bread should be able to demonstrate that problems result from the British "Scout Association" due to that organization's failure to prohibit membership of homosexual individuals. Please do so.
 
2012-07-25 12:19:29 AM  

Aussie_As: /Looking forward to my month's TF.


On snap. You're right.

You're still not eligible to win, but yeah, good catch. Sorry to mix you up in all of this.
 
2012-07-25 12:19:55 AM  
Don't like it? Go start your own club and leave ours alone.
 
2012-07-25 12:19:58 AM  

serial_crusher: BronyMedic: serial_crusher: I disagree with the stupid rules currently in action, but still stand by the organization and its principles. Sending back your Eagle is like moving to Canada because you don't like the guy that got elected as President.

Uh, no.

Sending back your Eagle Medal is like returning your Presidential Medal of Freedom because the Administration is doing something flippiantly idiotic. It's a major statement of protest against their bigotry. Being an Eagle Scout is a big deal in the adult world...

I meant to add that I'm an Eagle myself. Yes to all those things you said. It's hard work. I earned it fair and square, regardless of some stupid rules I don't agree with, which is why I'm not sending it back.

The folks who are sending theirs back (ok, it's really just that one guy) are commendable. Being that dedicated to something you believe is a good thing. I'm just saying I wouldn't go that far, and I don't feel it's necessary to go that far. Ideally I'd like to change the BSA from within, but realistically I haven't been that active in my adult years.


FTA: Koerth-Baker said she is continuing to get more letters from men who have resigned from the Eagle Scouts. "I actually have another half-dozen letters that I'm going to post later this week," she said.
 
2012-07-25 12:20:34 AM  

Alleyoop: Don't like it? Go start your own club and leave ours alone.


step away from the tax teat, and your wish may be granted.
 
2012-07-25 12:21:13 AM  

Aussie_As: /Looking forward to my month's TF.


I doubt he's gonna make good on the promise, but I did just because I hate it when people do that.
 
2012-07-25 12:21:51 AM  

Aussie_As: Because Jerry Sandusky is so gay. The wife of 45 years, how totally gay that was.


Okay so he's bi. Either that or closeted for 45 years which sounds a lot more likely. By definition the only thing gay means is wanting to have sex with other males. That's it. Whether you're a pedo or are into some specific fetish not does not affect whether you are gay, straight or bi. The only thing that affects it is what gender(s) you have sex with. That's it.
 
2012-07-25 12:21:54 AM  
Here's my Scouting experience: Became a Cub Scout at nine, a Boy Scout at twelve. My Scoutmaster's son took three years to make Eagle, and when he did, Daddy Scoutmaster disbanded the troop, with with only a few months before I'd have made Eagle. Sure, I was Scribe, Quartermaster and Senior Assistant Scoutmaster, but feeling cheated out of making Eagle sometimes gives me pangs even today, fifty years later.
 
2012-07-25 12:22:00 AM  

Slives: I greatly enjoyed Scouting as a kid and would like to get my son into it next year. I really hope I can find a troop that at least takes a neutral position on this. Been trying very hard to not teach him any bigotry and I sure don't need it coming from an organization I am encouraging him to join.


Good for you. I assuming he doesn't attend church either. Letting him wait until after the age of consent to choose a religion is the right way to go. Kudos!
 
2012-07-25 12:22:09 AM  

Dimensio: No possible rational nor honest interpretation of BronyMedic's statement could allow for the conclusion that you have speculated. Did you ask such a question because you are irrational, or did you ask it because you are dishonest?


Dude, look at his username. It's not subtle.

If somebody is posting purely for the purpose of negative attention, just don't give them any. Or if you must reply, reply with something scathingly clever that turns their trolling against them.

Right now he's checking and rechecking the thread to see if people are taking him seriously, and your post just made him happier. Knock it off.
 
2012-07-25 12:22:13 AM  

untaken_name: I doubt he's gonna make good on the promise, but I did just because I hate it when people do that.


Atta boy. ;)
 
2012-07-25 12:22:26 AM  

BronyMedic:

And, as individuals, we have the right to stand up for what we believe in, and criticise the scouts for the position they have taken. Just because they are a private group, does not give them a free pass for what they do that is discriminatory and bigoted. They deserve to be called out on that.

The reason it matters is because the push a belief that someone is flawed and evil, and worthy of being excluded from something, simply because of a trait they had no control over, and does not define who they are any more than your heterosexuality defines you. That's the tantamount issue here. They are teaching these kids and teenagers to hate someone for their sexual orientation, not the character of their being.


All throughout my scouting days, gayness never once came up, I wasn't taught anything about it, one way or another. We concentrated on merit badges and camping. You are also associating freedoms with bigotry. I once tried to join the NAACP, much to my surprise, those racist bigots didn't let my white butt in. Kinda sounds a little like that....again, my point in the Boobies, before I sorta drifted, was that these guys knew(or should have known) the policy when they earned their Eagle Awards, now it kinda seems like grandstanding.
 
2012-07-25 12:22:38 AM  

Pumpernickel bread: Being gay isn't a choice and gay adults should be able to do whatever they want with other gay adults...including get married, but I think the Boy Scouts are right here. Those that want to allow gay men to go out into the woods with preteen and teen boys seem perfectly willing to put the safety of these kids in peril in the name of political correctness. The simple truth of the matter is that if men that are known to be attracted to young men are put in a position of power over a group of them and then be permitted to take them out to secluded places, abuse of that power is bound to happen. 99% of gay men wanting to serve as scoutmasters would probably serve admirably, but undoubtedly there would be those looking to abuse that power for sexual gratification. The Jerry Sanduskys of the world would all be applying to be scoutmasters.


Upon reviewing my history, I have discovered that I am mistaken; you did not post your previous comment in a previous discussion. Instead, another poster presented a similar argument in a previous discussion. However, your repetition of that argument remains intellectually dishonest, unless you are able to demonstrate that problems result in the British Scouting Association, which does not prohibit homosexual membership.
 
2012-07-25 12:23:06 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Biological Ali: The more you eat the more you fart: I guess i see the point, but think it means more if something is done independently knowing u arent gonna have news stories about it....and i know of at least 4 other men that were in BSA when i was that have done the same thing.

Means more to who, precisely?

How can it "mean more" if nobody knows that highly esteemed members of a bigoted organization are opposing the organization's evil and bigotry? What make changes occur is when those highly esteemed members attack the evil at its root.

Not unlike us here on Fark solving the problems of the world and not letting anyone else know about it.


I suspect that he was treating this action as if it were an act of charity rather than protest. "It means more if nobody knows you did it" kind of applies to charitable actions, in that we consider them more meaningful if they were done just for the sake of doing them rather than getting positive attention.

With protest, however, an act which nobody hears about is not inherently better than one which is. All that would accomplish is making the protest less effective.
 
2012-07-25 12:23:20 AM  

jimk777: Okay so he's bi. Either that or closeted for 45 years which sounds a lot more likely.


or maybe he's a goddamned pedophile.
 
2012-07-25 12:24:10 AM  
What a dumb bunch of morons, like returning your worthless medal will do a damn thing to change a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION that you voluntarily joined and voluntarily fought to earn a piece of metal that you don't need to be successful. You failed to read the fine print of a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION. That means they can do what they want and don't have to give a shiate about your farking opinion while still supporting it. So EAGLE scouts that are so offended by a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION that is upholding its own policies, nothing you do with your medal is going to change that. There is nothing against the law about being a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION with your own laws and standards. If you don't want to be a boy scout, don't. If you are gay male and you want to be a boy scout, you can't. That is not against the law or bigotry in any way. Create the LBGT scouts if you want to. Nothing is stopping you.
 
2012-07-25 12:24:26 AM  
There are straight Eagle Scouts?
 
2012-07-25 12:24:54 AM  

serial_crusher: PhiloeBedoe: So, the organization in which grown men take young boys to frolic overnight in the woods and help sew things on their sashes, doesn't like gay people?

To be fair, nobody really cares about sewing merit badges on their sash until they make Eagle, at which point their mom freaks out about having them look presentable, and she's the one who gets stuck sewing the stuff on. So, the sewing part stays as the wimmin's work that it's supposed to be.

/ That's how it went for me anyhow.


Had to sew 'em myself. Same with my regular uniform insignia. Wasn't a big deal, though as a result, I was one of the few Scouts who actually had shirt pockets that worked.

/ Whoever thought it was a good idea to put temporary insignia on a pocket while disallowing velcro needs to have their head examined.
 
2012-07-25 12:25:17 AM  

captcaveman: What a dumb bunch of morons, like returning your worthless medal will do a damn thing to change a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION that you voluntarily joined and voluntarily fought to earn a piece of metal that you don't need to be successful. You failed to read the fine print of a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION. That means they can do what they want and don't have to give a shiate about your farking opinion while still supporting it. So EAGLE scouts that are so offended by a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION that is upholding its own policies, nothing you do with your medal is going to change that. There is nothing against the law about being a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION with your own laws and standards. If you don't want to be a boy scout, don't. If you are gay male and you want to be a boy scout, you can't. That is not against the law or bigotry in any way. Create the LBGT scouts if you want to. Nothing is stopping you.


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2012-07-25 12:25:40 AM  

Skywolf Philosopher: BarkingUnicorn: Goes to show that Scouting does turn boys into men with good principles.

SHMOOTH

Eh, I don't think homosexuality is right myself, but I do advocate free will. Of course, anyone that is for the topic, why would I be with them?

/In other words, I agrees.


What do you mean by "I don't think homosexuality is right myself"? I'm assuming that if you are not gay that you would not practice homosexuality, and therefore it does not affect you. If this is the case how are your thoughts or feelings regarding homosexuality relevent?
 
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