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2012-07-24 11:43:50 PM
I never was a boy scout, but I did turn in my Chick Fil-A card.
 
2012-07-24 11:44:51 PM
Former Eagle Scout. I did this exact thing in protest of a gay boy in my area being tossed out of the Boy Scouts for nothing except being gay.

Wrote a scathing letter to the bsa, and enclosed in the certified-mail box was my Eagle Scout medal, badge, and patch.

Only diff is that i didnt AW about it like this guy is.
 
2012-07-24 11:46:08 PM
Why is this headline. Two sentences?
 
2012-07-24 11:46:55 PM
Since we have changed the subject of our Fark driven ridicule. Can I buy Chick-fil-a sandwiches again?
 
2012-07-24 11:47:36 PM

BKITU: I didn't grow up in an area with a significant Muslim community so I don't think there were any in my troop, but I remember enough from my various handbooks to know they would have been welcome.


heap: abb3w: WorldCitizen: They're a private organization, so they should be allowed to be bigots.

...without government support for them while they're bigots.

kinda my thoughts. they are more than welcome to private their asses out of our schools, municipal functions, and federal funding.

hell, as long as they get federal funding to the extent they do, the pretense of being 'a private organization' is a punchline to a bad joke.


THIS.

They are either private or they aren't. Using federal, state, and municipal resources, and receiving federal funding, and then claiming they can be bigoted fundy assholes because they are a private entity is bullshiat.
 
2012-07-24 11:47:52 PM

The more you eat the more you fart: Former Eagle Scout. I did this exact thing in protest of a gay boy in my area being tossed out of the Boy Scouts for nothing except being gay.

Wrote a scathing letter to the bsa, and enclosed in the certified-mail box was my Eagle Scout medal, badge, and patch.

Only diff is that i didnt AW about it like this guy is.


The thing is, if you don't make a scene about it, nothing is going to change.

Do you think the BSA actually cares if some kid returns all his badges?

They only care that they are getting bad press. So if you're not giving it to them, they're still farking homosexuals over.
 
2012-07-24 11:48:01 PM
Eagle Scout earned: Jan 1995.
Eagle Scout returned: Jan 2011
 
2012-07-24 11:48:14 PM
The amount of herp derp stupidity in the comments is pretty epic.
 
2012-07-24 11:48:25 PM
Also it is, in an 'aisle seat please' way, got-damned hilarious to see a council full of BSA leaders go into full-on Salem Witch Trials mode with one anonymous phone call accusing one unmarried father/asst scoutmaster of being gay. Seen it happen....
 
2012-07-24 11:48:32 PM

BKITU: There might be an Abrahamic preference, but I believe members of other, non-Abrahamic faiths would have been welcome as well (I'm not so certain of this as for Abrahamic theists, but fairly sure).


Trust me I look at the list of religious emblems. They got one for just about every one. They acknowledge Zoroastrianism for crying out loud. No medal but still. Still bullshiat that you can't be an atheist. I know that reverent is a part of the pledge but still.
 
2012-07-24 11:48:48 PM

BKITU: My best friend is an Eagle Scout. I have no idea whether he will be turning in his medal, but during his promotion ceremony, a sparrow landed on my shoulder and stayed there for a few minutes. This was 20 years ago.

I'm sure it's a sign, but I'm not sure of what.


I think it's a sign that birds need to rest occasionally.
 
2012-07-24 11:49:17 PM

douchebag/hater: BronyMedic: Uh, why does this thread not have the Hero tag?

That takes a lot of balls, and principles to do. The amount of your life you spend earning that Eagle Scout medal is incredible, and to willingly hand it back over their bigotry is a huge step to take.

So the 'Freedom of Association' allowed by the Constitution is wrong and leads to bigotry?

You're pretty farking stupid.


The fark are you going on about?
 
2012-07-24 11:50:19 PM

BKITU: My best friend is an Eagle Scout. I have no idea whether he will be turning in his medal, but during his promotion ceremony, a sparrow landed on my shoulder and stayed there for a few minutes. This was 20 years ago.

I'm sure it's a sign, but I'm not sure of what.


4.bp.blogspot.com

On your shoulder? Awesome!
 
2012-07-24 11:50:19 PM
I'm a live and let live person. I honestly could give a fark if someone likes the cack or the crack. But, for the life of me, I'll never understand why a parent should think it's appropriate to send a teen boy or younger into the woods with a stranger/gay man.
 
2012-07-24 11:51:48 PM

serial_crusher:

The folks who are sending theirs back (ok, it's really just that one guy) are commendable. Being that dedicated to something you believe is a good thing. I'm just saying I wouldn't go that far, and I don't feel it's necessary to go that far. Ideally I'd like to change the BSA from within, but realistically I haven't been that active in my adult years.



Way more then just one guy now: http://boingboing.net/2012/07/23/eagle-scouts-stand-up-to-the-b.html
 
2012-07-24 11:52:19 PM
I went to Life Scout during my years, never made it to Eagle, though I had started. I'm also a member of the military. As the military just recently changed from "don't ask, don't tell" to "just don't make it awkward," I would assume the boy scouts won't be too awful far behind. People may be trying to condemn them, but its still a very fine organization that teaches kids a lot, and "promotes" pyromaniacs. At least that's how it was back when I was in.

Smeggy Smurf: Of all the troops I was involved with, the military ones were the best. Anything attached to a church was a fustercluck of bullshiat church politics. Having a small detachment from SEAL Team 1 (Kodiak) as assistant scoutmasters was awesome.

/most important thing I learned from Scouting was the proper way to tie knots
//Mrs. Smurf loves I earned my Eagle


We had an ex-marine who was the father of another scout, he made things a blast when camping and at summer camps!
 
2012-07-24 11:52:28 PM

CuttySupreme: I'm sick and tired of all this whining. Don't join Boy Scouts then, go start queer scouts or something.


Like baseball and the Negro League?

"Whining" wouldn't be necessary if it wasn't for bigots, but sure, blame the victim.
 
2012-07-24 11:53:26 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: The more you eat the more you fart: Former Eagle Scout. I did this exact thing in protest of a gay boy in my area being tossed out of the Boy Scouts for nothing except being gay.

Wrote a scathing letter to the bsa, and enclosed in the certified-mail box was my Eagle Scout medal, badge, and patch.

Only diff is that i didnt AW about it like this guy is.

The thing is, if you don't make a scene about it, nothing is going to change.

Do you think the BSA actually cares if some kid returns all his badges?

They only care that they are getting bad press. So if you're not giving it to them, they're still farking homosexuals over.


I guess i see the point, but think it means more if something is done independently knowing u arent gonna have news stories about it....and i know of at least 4 other men that were in BSA when i was that have done the same thing.

Less than 2% of scouts earn Eagle. It takes YEARS of work and hundreds of hours of service work, and literally thousands of hours of effort.

Turning in an Eagle Scout medal is giving back something that represents more than a decade of hard work and dedication.
 
2012-07-24 11:53:59 PM
Now with linky link: http://boingboing.net/2012/07/23/eagle-scouts-stand-up-to-the-b.html

/Why no hero tag on this thread? There should be a hero tag for each and every one of these guys that sends eagle back to those bigots.
 
2012-07-24 11:56:21 PM

CuttySupreme: I'm sick and tired of all this whining. Don't join Boy Scouts then, go start qQueer sScouts or something.


Sorry, pet peeve.
 
2012-07-24 11:56:41 PM

ununcle: I'm a live and let live person. I honestly could give a fark if someone likes the cack or the crack. But, for the life of me, I'll never understand why a parent should think it's appropriate to send a teen boy or younger into the woods with a stranger/gay man.


You obviously haven't seen the South Park episode about Big Gay Al getting kicked out of his scout leader position.
 
2012-07-24 11:56:42 PM
Being gay isn't a choice and gay adults should be able to do whatever they want with other gay adults...including get married, but I think the Boy Scouts are right here. Those that want to allow gay men to go out into the woods with preteen and teen boys seem perfectly willing to put the safety of these kids in peril in the name of political correctness. The simple truth of the matter is that if men that are known to be attracted to young men are put in a position of power over a group of them and then be permitted to take them out to secluded places, abuse of that power is bound to happen. 99% of gay men wanting to serve as scoutmasters would probably serve admirably, but undoubtedly there would be those looking to abuse that power for sexual gratification. The Jerry Sanduskys of the world would all be applying to be scoutmasters.
 
2012-07-24 11:56:51 PM

LordJiro: The fark are you going on about?


If you google 'Freedom of Association' there's a wealth of information on it. I think that's his point. Good luck on future understanding in all your endeavors.
 
2012-07-24 11:56:54 PM
The committee, Smith said, represented "a diversity of perspectives and opinions."

No they didn't.
 
2012-07-24 11:57:24 PM

The more you eat the more you fart: I guess i see the point, but think it means more if something is done independently knowing u arent gonna have news stories about it....and i know of at least 4 other men that were in BSA when i was that have done the same thing.


Means more to who, precisely?
 
2012-07-24 11:57:24 PM
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2012-07-24 11:57:54 PM

CokeBear: serial_crusher:

The folks who are sending theirs back (ok, it's really just that one guy) are commendable. Being that dedicated to something you believe is a good thing. I'm just saying I wouldn't go that far, and I don't feel it's necessary to go that far. Ideally I'd like to change the BSA from within, but realistically I haven't been that active in my adult years.


Way more then just one guy now: http://boingboing.net/2012/07/23/eagle-scouts-stand-up-to-the-b.html


Myself included, i know of four other eagle scouts that turned in our medals more than a year ago...when a local boy was forced out of boy scouts just because he was gay.

/guess we all did it too early bc we'd be famous if we waited until now.
//or is the principle more important
 
2012-07-24 11:58:27 PM

NateAsbestos: Why is this headline. Two sentences?


i.somethingawful.com

Rorschach wrote it. Possible homosexual. Must investigate.
 
2012-07-24 11:58:35 PM

Pumpernickel bread: The Jerry Sanduskys of the world would all be are now and have always been applying to be scoutmasters, teachers, priests, or other positions where they can interact with boys.


Sorry. But that's reality.
 
2012-07-24 11:58:53 PM

The more you eat the more you fart: I guess i see the point, but think it means more if something is done independently knowing u arent gonna have news stories about it....and i know of at least 4 other men that were in BSA when i was that have done the same thing. Less than 2% of scouts earn Eagle. It takes YEARS of work and hundreds of hours of service work, and literally thousands of hours of effort. Turning in an Eagle Scout medal is giving back something that represents more than a decade of hard work and dedication.


It means more to you; it represents work and dedication to you. The BSA doesn't give a rat's ass, and it won't until the court of public opinion finds out. Thankyou for standing up for our rights, sincerely, but you need to get your name out there or the whole exercise was a waste.
 
2012-07-24 11:59:04 PM
douchebag/hater: So the 'Freedom of Association' allowed by the Constitution is wrong and leads to bigotry?

You're pretty farking stupid.


Your name describes you accurately.

No one made that argument, at all, and you're a horribly obvious troll. Now, go back to politics.
 
2012-07-24 11:59:07 PM

GAT_00: Also, again, why is this suddenly a thing? BSOA has had this policy for years.


That. It's been in place as long as I can remember. TFLW doesn't seem to recognize a private organization's power to do bigoted things. Fascinating.

Smeggy Smurf: Of all the troops I was involved with, the military ones were the best.


That. There wasn't a lot else for us to do at some of the places my dad was stationed.

Smeggy Smurf: Anything attached to a church was a fustercluck of bullshiat church politics.


Only was involved with one church-based troop; rather large Catholic church in a suburb in the Northeast. The only politics involved whenever the Catholic school where we met was upset that they had to compete for cafeteria time on Monday nights. Sorry, debate club, you're going to have to meet on Thursdays....

One of the troops I was in overseas was sponsored by a minority men's organization; I think they weren't terribly happy that only a few of us weren't white. (I'm an interesting racial and ethnic mix.)

Smeggy Smurf: Having a small detachment from SEAL Team 1 (Kodiak) as assistant scoutmasters was awesome.


I bet. Heard some interesting stories from crusty vets....Vietnam, a few who'd been in Iran when the Shah fell, etc.

Smeggy Smurf: /most important thing I learned from Scouting was the proper way to tie knots


I'm sure my skills have deteriorated. But I also learned how to cook well enough to make a halfway decent meal.

Smeggy Smurf: //Mrs. Smurf loves I earned my Eagle


My wife couldn't care less. She was a Brownie at one point.
 
2012-07-24 11:59:21 PM

The more you eat the more you fart: Former Eagle Scout. I did this exact thing in protest of a gay boy in my area being tossed out of the Boy Scouts for nothing except being gay.

Wrote a scathing letter to the bsa, and enclosed in the certified-mail box was my Eagle Scout medal, badge, and patch.

Only diff is that i didnt AW about it like this guy is.


While it's commendable that you did this without trying to gain publicity for the act, I believe that bringing it to the public's attention is just bad publicity that the BSA wouldn't want. So even if these people are AW's for it, it is serving a good purpose.
 
2012-07-24 11:59:35 PM
On the internet, everyone has earned their Eagle.

Who knew?
 
2012-07-24 11:59:42 PM

Pumpernickel bread: Those that want to allow gay men to go out into the woods with preteen and teen boys seem perfectly willing to put the safety of these kids in peril in the name of political correctness.


So all gay men are predators. Got it.
 
2012-07-24 11:59:46 PM
Saying pro-heterosexual is like saying pro-life. Being pro-homosexual rights is not being anti-heterosexual. Hetero's lose nothing by allowing civil rights to gays.
 
2012-07-24 11:59:53 PM

Pumpernickel bread: Being gay isn't a choice and gay adults should be able to do whatever they want with other gay adults...including get married, but I think the Boy Scouts are right here. Those that want to allow gay men to go out into the woods with preteen and teen boys seem perfectly willing to put the safety of these kids in peril in the name of political correctness. The simple truth of the matter is that if men that are known to be attracted to young men are put in a position of power over a group of them and then be permitted to take them out to secluded places, abuse of that power is bound to happen. 99% of gay men wanting to serve as scoutmasters would probably serve admirably, but undoubtedly there would be those looking to abuse that power for sexual gratification. The Jerry Sanduskys of the world would all be applying to be scoutmasters.


Because Jerry Sandusky is so gay. The wife of 45 years, how totally gay that was.
 
2012-07-25 12:00:01 AM
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Oh Canteen Boy you rascal!
 
2012-07-25 12:00:25 AM

BronyMedic: Being an Eagle Scout is a big deal in the adult world - it gives you an edge on getting into certain colleges, getting into education programs that are restricted access, getting certain jobs and political appointments, consideration for military rank upon enlistment, and even getting loans and financhial aid.


Come on... that's stretching it a bit.

I've never filled out a job application and had a check box that said "Eagle Scout".
The mortgage paperwork I had to fill out didn't ask.
Scouting has never come up in conversation with friends or co-workers, and I don't see any doors that were shut to me because I wasn't an Eagle Scout.

And to be honest, if someone did mention to me they were an Eagle Scout today, my first thought, sadly, would be, "So how's the gay bashing going?" ...even though I know better (some of my family members are Scouts).

That's how bad the mental association between Scouting and bigotry has gotten. This is a real PR nightmare for the 'Scouts.
 
2012-07-25 12:01:40 AM
well I'm against Scouts cause they're anti drugs.
 
2012-07-25 12:01:43 AM
My fraternity (Honors, not social or Professional) is a fraternity of Eagle Scouts (Link) and while we are not associated with the BSA in any formal manner, we do disagree with their stance. Our Founders have even stated that should a student come to us, having earned his Eagle but having been kicked out for being gay, we would have accepted him. (As for being kicked out prior to earning, not sure.)

That, and the Council in Minnesota that stands against this policy is kinda cool too.
 
2012-07-25 12:01:45 AM

MurphyMurphy: On the internet, everyone has earned their Eagle.

Who knew?


Yeah, shiat, I've only heard about Outside from the wikipedia page.
 
2012-07-25 12:02:26 AM

Aussie_As: The Jerry Sanduskys of the world would all be applying to be scoutmasters.


As if they aren't already!? Are you that delusional, or just trolling?

/A month's TF on the latter.
 
2012-07-25 12:04:34 AM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: Don't let the door hit you on the way out...


Rather snide response to members of the Scouting community who are actually using that strong spine earning Eagle builds.
 
2012-07-25 12:04:46 AM

BronyMedic: serial_crusher: Ideally I'd like to change the BSA from within, but realistically I haven't been that active in my adult years.

Good luck with that. The structure of the BSA is that of an organization which not only condones religious fundamentalism, but actively works to encourage it. Local member organizations are given a blank slate to run out those who are not religious - Atheists and Agnostics - and it's a rather uncomfortable position for anyone who is NOT a Christian due to their close ties with local churches. On the surface, the BSA tries to appear all inclusive and tolerant, but once you're in, the reality is quite different.


I would just like to state this varies from troop to troop, council to council. Some have busybody bible-bashing leaders, others don't give a fark.
 
2012-07-25 12:05:02 AM
Clearly a lot of ethnic or religious groups have been beaten, bullied and killed much more than gays have so why the big deal? Why are gays suddenly such a special cause? It's like the latest fad cause. Save the children, save the cheerleader, save the gays.
 
2012-07-25 12:05:41 AM
It is nice to see people standing up against religious hate.

Hopefully they will continue this stand against their own churches if they belong to one of the many hateful ones.
 
2012-07-25 12:06:40 AM
Looks like Farkers have learned a new word: bigot.

I have no problem with either: BSA having a pro-hetero stance, nor the Eagle Scouts sending back their medals. We all make choices in life and our lives are made better, worse or unchanged by them. In this case, the symbolic gesture will only make the Eagle Scouts feel better by making a stand for what they believe, but ultimately will not make their lives any better or worse.

Sorry Farkers, but on this one you're just trolling...
 
2012-07-25 12:07:03 AM

douchebag/hater: BronyMedic: Uh, why does this thread not have the Hero tag?

That takes a lot of balls, and principles to do. The amount of your life you spend earning that Eagle Scout medal is incredible, and to willingly hand it back over their bigotry is a huge step to take.

So the 'Freedom of Association' allowed by the Constitution is wrong and leads to bigotry?

You're pretty farking stupid.


No possible rational nor honest interpretation of BronyMedic's statement could allow for the conclusion that you have speculated. Did you ask such a question because you are irrational, or did you ask it because you are dishonest?
 
2012-07-25 12:07:15 AM

douchebag/hater: BronyMedic: Uh, why does this thread not have the Hero tag?

That takes a lot of balls, and principles to do. The amount of your life you spend earning that Eagle Scout medal is incredible, and to willingly hand it back over their bigotry is a huge step to take.

So the 'Freedom of Association' allowed by the Constitution is wrong and leads to bigotry?

You're pretty farking stupid.


Nice strawman you've built yourself there. No one said a farking thing about the constitution.
 
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