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2012-07-24 06:16:45 PM
Goes to show that Scouting does turn boys into men with good principles.
 
2012-07-24 06:32:49 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Goes to show that Scouting does turn boys into men with good principles.


SHMOOTH

Eh, I don't think homosexuality is right myself, but I do advocate free will. Of course, anyone that is for the topic, why would I be with them?

/In other words, I agrees.
 
2012-07-24 06:45:44 PM
Actually, it's more of a pro-bigotry stance, but who's counting?
 
2012-07-24 06:56:11 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Goes to show that Scouting does turn boys into men with good principles.


Heh heh. Point.
 
2012-07-24 07:45:43 PM
Don't let the door hit you on the way out...
 
2012-07-24 07:47:04 PM
Because it's as if we all needed more evidence to respect individual scouts than the club they joined?
 
2012-07-24 07:50:36 PM
My best friend is an Eagle Scout. I have no idea whether he will be turning in his medal, but during his promotion ceremony, a sparrow landed on my shoulder and stayed there for a few minutes. This was 20 years ago.

I'm sure it's a sign, but I'm not sure of what.
 
2012-07-24 07:52:25 PM

Vodka Zombie: Actually, it's more of a pro-bigotry stance, but who's counting?

 
2012-07-24 07:59:01 PM
So uh...do the um, Girl Scouts allow...nothing, nothing.
 
2012-07-24 08:00:22 PM

BKITU: My best friend is an Eagle Scout. I have no idea whether he will be turning in his medal, but during his promotion ceremony, a sparrow landed on my shoulder and stayed there for a few minutes. This was 20 years ago.

I'm sure it's a sign, but I'm not sure of what.


Keep your eye on the sparrow when the going gets narrow.
 
2012-07-24 08:05:54 PM

BKITU: My best friend is an Eagle Scout. I have no idea whether he will be turning in his medal, but during his promotion ceremony, a sparrow landed on my shoulder and stayed there for a few minutes. This was 20 years ago.

I'm sure it's a sign, but I'm not sure of what.


Probably the bird was saying, "Get outta my way! I'm migratin' here!"
 
2012-07-24 08:10:54 PM
Uh, why does this thread not have the Hero tag?

That takes a lot of balls, and principles to do. The amount of your life you spend earning that Eagle Scout medal is incredible, and to willingly hand it back over their bigotry is a huge step to take.
 
2012-07-24 08:26:17 PM

BKITU: My best friend is an Eagle Scout. I have no idea whether he will be turning in his medal, but during his promotion ceremony, a sparrow landed on my shoulder and stayed there for a few minutes. This was 20 years ago.

I'm sure it's a sign, but I'm not sure of what.



I hate to break it to you, but it probably means that you have to go to the Ball and wear glass shoes.
Sorry.

i105.photobucket.com


Research wizards throughout the multiverse have tried to stop this, or at least figure out why it happens, but they're stumped.
 
2012-07-24 08:47:09 PM
I greatly enjoyed Scouting as a kid and would like to get my son into it next year. I really hope I can find a troop that at least takes a neutral position on this. Been trying very hard to not teach him any bigotry and I sure don't need it coming from an organization I am encouraging him to join.
 
2012-07-24 08:55:09 PM

Mugato: So uh...do the um, Girl Scouts allow...nothing, nothing.


They have a DADT policy.

Also, again, why is this suddenly a thing? BSOA has had this policy for years.
 
2012-07-24 09:03:20 PM

Mugato: So uh...do the um, Girl Scouts allow...nothing, nothing.


The Girl Scouts allow LGBTQ members and volunteers, if that's what you're asking.

All couples have to sleep in separate tents, however.
 
2012-07-24 09:11:49 PM
I disagree with the stupid rules currently in action, but still stand by the organization and its principles. Sending back your Eagle is like moving to Canada because you don't like the guy that got elected as President.
 
2012-07-24 09:12:48 PM

platedlizard: Mugato: So uh...do the um, Girl Scouts allow...nothing, nothing.

The Girl Scouts allow LGBTQ members and volunteers, if that's what you're asking.

All couples have to sleep in separate tents, however.


Outrage! I'm going to send back my...eagle...cookie...or whatever it is they give out.
 
2012-07-24 09:31:14 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Goes to show that Scouting does turn boys into men with good principles.

 
2012-07-24 09:34:53 PM
serial_crusher: I disagree with the stupid rules currently in action, but still stand by the organization and its principles. Sending back your Eagle is like moving to Canada because you don't like the guy that got elected as President.

Uh, no.

Sending back your Eagle Medal is like returning your Presidential Medal of Freedom because the Administration is doing something flippiantly idiotic. It's a major statement of protest against their bigotry. Being an Eagle Scout is a big deal in the adult world - it gives you an edge on getting into certain colleges, getting into education programs that are restricted access, getting certain jobs and political appointments, consideration for military rank upon enlistment, and even getting loans and financhial aid.

You're basically saying you accomplished one of the hardest things to do as an adolescent. It signifies that you have commited a substantial amount of years of your life, starting at the age of 11, to completeing the requirements and obtaining over 21 merit badges which each have their own individual, time consuming criteria, that you've served in multiple positions of leadership in your troop, and that you've spent hundreds of hours doing community service projects, not to mention an individual Eagle Scout project which you spend a lot of time and money doing, and has to be approved at a regional level by the BSA. And you have to be done BEFORE your 18th birthday, and have your approval for the award. Otherwise, you become inelegable. Less than 10% of Boy Scouts ever get to the point where they are even considered.

This isn't something you get just for being in Scouts until you're 18. You work your ass off to earn this thing. And it means a LOT outside of scouts.
 
2012-07-24 09:35:27 PM

serial_crusher: platedlizard: Mugato: So uh...do the um, Girl Scouts allow...nothing, nothing.

The Girl Scouts allow LGBTQ members and volunteers, if that's what you're asking.

All couples have to sleep in separate tents, however.

Outrage! I'm going to send back my...eagle...cookie...or whatever it is they give out.


Friendship bracelet, if I recall correctly from my brief stint as a Girl Scout.
 
2012-07-24 09:47:57 PM
That's an admirable thing that they're doing.

I have to say that I'm so glad I was a Girl Scout. They'll take anyone, regardless of religion or sexual orientation. I'm very proud of being associated with that organization. I wish these men returning their Eagle Medals could say the same.
 
2012-07-24 09:48:42 PM

BronyMedic: serial_crusher: I disagree with the stupid rules currently in action, but still stand by the organization and its principles. Sending back your Eagle is like moving to Canada because you don't like the guy that got elected as President.

Uh, no.

Sending back your Eagle Medal is like returning your Presidential Medal of Freedom because the Administration is doing something flippiantly idiotic. It's a major statement of protest against their bigotry. Being an Eagle Scout is a big deal in the adult world...


I meant to add that I'm an Eagle myself. Yes to all those things you said. It's hard work. I earned it fair and square, regardless of some stupid rules I don't agree with, which is why I'm not sending it back.

The folks who are sending theirs back (ok, it's really just that one guy) are commendable. Being that dedicated to something you believe is a good thing. I'm just saying I wouldn't go that far, and I don't feel it's necessary to go that far. Ideally I'd like to change the BSA from within, but realistically I haven't been that active in my adult years.
 
2012-07-24 09:57:26 PM
So, the organization in which grown men take young boys to frolic overnight in the woods and help sew things on their sashes, doesn't like gay people?
 
2012-07-24 10:04:21 PM

PhiloeBedoe: So, the organization in which grown men take young boys to frolic overnight in the woods and help sew things on their sashes, doesn't like gay people?


To be fair, nobody really cares about sewing merit badges on their sash until they make Eagle, at which point their mom freaks out about having them look presentable, and she's the one who gets stuck sewing the stuff on. So, the sewing part stays as the wimmin's work that it's supposed to be.

/ That's how it went for me anyhow.
 
2012-07-24 10:28:55 PM
serial_crusher: Ideally I'd like to change the BSA from within, but realistically I haven't been that active in my adult years.

Good luck with that. The structure of the BSA is that of an organization which not only condones religious fundamentalism, but actively works to encourage it. Local member organizations are given a blank slate to run out those who are not religious - Atheists and Agnostics - and it's a rather uncomfortable position for anyone who is NOT a Christian due to their close ties with local churches. On the surface, the BSA tries to appear all inclusive and tolerant, but once you're in, the reality is quite different.
 
2012-07-24 10:39:02 PM

BronyMedic: serial_crusher: Ideally I'd like to change the BSA from within, but realistically I haven't been that active in my adult years.

Good luck with that. The structure of the BSA is that of an organization which not only condones religious fundamentalism, but actively works to encourage it. Local member organizations are given a blank slate to run out those who are not religious - Atheists and Agnostics - and it's a rather uncomfortable position for anyone who is NOT a Christian theist due to their close ties with local churches. On the surface, the BSA tries to appear all inclusive and tolerant, but once you're in, the reality is quite different.


Plenty of Jewish scouts out there. I didn't grow up in an area with a significant Muslim community so I don't think there were any in my troop, but I remember enough from my various handbooks to know they would have been welcome.

There might be an Abrahamic preference, but I believe members of other, non-Abrahamic faiths would have been welcome as well (I'm not so certain of this as for Abrahamic theists, but fairly sure).
 
2012-07-24 10:45:54 PM

BronyMedic: Good luck with that. The structure of the BSA is that of an organization which not only condones religious fundamentalism, but actively works to encourage it. Local member organizations are given a blank slate to run out those who are not religious - Atheists and Agnostics - and it's a rather uncomfortable position for anyone who is NOT a Christian due to their close ties with local churches.


i can't speak to any national aspects, as...well...i didn't last long enough....but at the local level i partook of the boyscout's splendor, it wasn't even a matter of 'running out the non christians', it was a subset of a group of pentecostal churches that wanted to run out anybody who wouldn't jabber and flail along with them.

tying knots? i'm cool.
starting fires? alright.
making leather bracelets? getting borderline on my arts and crafts phobia, but ok.
jabbering for jesus? erm....i'll be over....there.
 
2012-07-24 10:47:04 PM
They're a private organization, so they should be allowed to be bigots. It's just unfortunate that it's a youth organization teaching and enforcing bigotry on children. I really hate to see kids discriminated against or made to feel less than human. At that age, that can be extremely emotionally scarring.
 
2012-07-24 10:55:24 PM
BKITU: Plenty of Jewish scouts out there. I didn't grow up in an area with a significant Muslim community so I don't think there were any in my troop, but I remember enough from my various handbooks to know they would have been welcome.

Many of the local troops are parternered with protestant churches, or run through them as ministries of that church as well as attached to the BSA.
 
2012-07-24 11:07:54 PM
Lots of my friends (Mormons) got their Eagle, and it is a big deal and a LOT of work. I respect any young man who puts in the service, time, effort, and sacrifice. It speaks volumes about his character. It also says a lot to send back something he worked so hard for in protest.

Also, what BarkingUnicorn said.
 
2012-07-24 11:10:18 PM

WorldCitizen: They're a private organization, so they should be allowed to be bigots.


...without government support for them while they're bigots.
 
2012-07-24 11:15:07 PM

abb3w: WorldCitizen: They're a private organization, so they should be allowed to be bigots.

...without government support for them while they're bigots.


kinda my thoughts. they are more than welcome to private their asses out of our schools, municipal functions, and federal funding.

hell, as long as they get federal funding to the extent they do, the pretense of being 'a private organization' is a punchline to a bad joke.
 
2012-07-24 11:17:33 PM

heap: abb3w: WorldCitizen: They're a private organization, so they should be allowed to be bigots.

...without government support for them while they're bigots.

kinda my thoughts. they are more than welcome to private their asses out of our schools, municipal functions, and federal funding.

hell, as long as they get federal funding to the extent they do, the pretense of being 'a private organization' is a punchline to a bad joke.


Well, yes, this. They should be cut off from the use and funding of anything public if they are going to have discriminatory membership practices. They should have to be bigots on their own dime and using their own resources.
 
2012-07-24 11:30:33 PM

Skywolf Philosopher: BarkingUnicorn: Goes to show that Scouting does turn boys into men with good principles.

SHMOOTH

Eh, I don't think homosexuality is right myself I'm not gay or nothin', but I do advocate free will. Of course, anyone that is for the topic, why would I be with them?

/In other words, I agrees.


Fixed for accuracy.
 
2012-07-24 11:33:24 PM

BronyMedic: serial_crusher: I disagree with the stupid rules currently in action, but still stand by the organization and its principles. Sending back your Eagle is like moving to Canada because you don't like the guy that got elected as President.

Uh, no.

Sending back your Eagle Medal is like returning your Presidential Medal of Freedom because the Administration is doing something flippiantly idiotic. It's a major statement of protest against their bigotry. Being an Eagle Scout is a big deal in the adult world - it gives you an edge on getting into certain colleges, getting into education programs that are restricted access, getting certain jobs and political appointments, consideration for military rank upon enlistment, and even getting loans and financhial aid.

You're basically saying you accomplished one of the hardest things to do as an adolescent. It signifies that you have commited a substantial amount of years of your life, starting at the age of 11, to completeing the requirements and obtaining over 21 merit badges which each have their own individual, time consuming criteria, that you've served in multiple positions of leadership in your troop, and that you've spent hundreds of hours doing community service projects, not to mention an individual Eagle Scout project which you spend a lot of time and money doing, and has to be approved at a regional level by the BSA. And you have to be done BEFORE your 18th birthday, and have your approval for the award. Otherwise, you become inelegable. Less than 10% of Boy Scouts ever get to the point where they are even considered.

This isn't something you get just for being in Scouts until you're 18. You work your ass off to earn this thing. And it means a LOT outside of scouts.


Well stated.
 
2012-07-24 11:34:40 PM
Of all the troops I was involved with, the military ones were the best. Anything attached to a church was a fustercluck of bullshiat church politics. Having a small detachment from SEAL Team 1 (Kodiak) as assistant scoutmasters was awesome.

/most important thing I learned from Scouting was the proper way to tie knots
//Mrs. Smurf loves I earned my Eagle
 
2012-07-24 11:34:57 PM
Great. Now where is my son going to go to tie sailor knots and wear neckerchiefs?
 
2012-07-24 11:35:19 PM

PhiloeBedoe: So, the organization in which grown men take young boys to frolic overnight in the woods and help sew things on their sashes, doesn't like gay people?


i.ytimg.com

Hehe, very clever
 
2012-07-24 11:35:44 PM

Vodka Zombie: Actually, it's more of a pro-bigotry stance, but who's counting?


This. I'm pro heterosexual. I'm also pro homosexual. Being one doesn't exclude the other.

/pissed off at anti-gay-marriage types whose only opposition seems based on their own misunderstanding that legalising gay marriage and making it compulsory for everyone are somehow the same thing.
 
2012-07-24 11:36:44 PM

BKITU: BronyMedic: serial_crusher: Ideally I'd like to change the BSA from within, but realistically I haven't been that active in my adult years.

Good luck with that. The structure of the BSA is that of an organization which not only condones religious fundamentalism, but actively works to encourage it. Local member organizations are given a blank slate to run out those who are not religious - Atheists and Agnostics - and it's a rather uncomfortable position for anyone who is NOT a Christian theist due to their close ties with local churches. On the surface, the BSA tries to appear all inclusive and tolerant, but once you're in, the reality is quite different.

Plenty of Jewish scouts out there. I didn't grow up in an area with a significant Muslim community so I don't think there were any in my troop, but I remember enough from my various handbooks to know they would have been welcome.

There might be an Abrahamic preference, but I believe members of other, non-Abrahamic faiths would have been welcome as well (I'm not so certain of this as for Abrahamic theists, but fairly sure).


I've been aware of a few mosques, Hindu temples, Buddhist temples, and Sikh temples sponsoring Boy Scout troops. They're all welcomed without question.
 
2012-07-24 11:37:33 PM

Skywolf Philosopher: I don't think homosexuality is right myself,



I don't think anyone should marry outside their race
 
2012-07-24 11:39:11 PM
I would send my eagle scout award back, but I was abused and run out of scouting before I got one.

so.....

that.
 
2012-07-24 11:40:02 PM
Meh.

Who cares? Kids do stupid stuff, even Eagle Scouts.
 
2012-07-24 11:40:55 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Goes to show that Scouting does turn boys into men with good principles.


Agreed.

And for the record the Girl Scouts are NOT homophobic jerks.

/camp counselor in college
//directors were married in England
///slept in separate tents while girls were around but wore rings and it was never an issue, especially since NO counselor was allowed to be alone with a girl EVER anyway.
////feel sorry for the Boy Scouts who fought for what was right
 
2012-07-24 11:42:06 PM
I'm sick and tired of all this whining. Don't join Boy Scouts then, go start queer scouts or something.
 
2012-07-24 11:42:11 PM

BronyMedic: serial_crusher: Ideally I'd like to change the BSA from within, but realistically I haven't been that active in my adult years.

Good luck with that. The structure of the BSA is that of an organization which not only condones religious fundamentalism, but actively works to encourage it. Local member organizations are given a blank slate to run out those who are not religious - Atheists and Agnostics - and it's a rather uncomfortable position for anyone who is NOT a Christian due to their close ties with local churches. On the surface, the BSA tries to appear all inclusive and tolerant, but once you're in, the reality is quite different.


It somewhat varies by region. But, in a lot of the country, the LDS has run the show since the early 90s. They've pretty much taken over BSA district/council leadership around here (a not-notably-Mormon part of the country), partially because no one else really cares enough to volunteer, and partially because they have a lot of sons involved per capita.

So, in some ways they've actually toned down the evangelical fundamentalism that was strong was I was a boy in the 80s. If half the leaders are LDS and a third of the boys are, they aren't going to sit for much non-LDS-theology, but also can't really get too LDS-y, either. So, they instead focus more on generally conservative politics (anti-gay, anti-agnostic, 2nd Amendment NRA brochures, etc).
 
2012-07-24 11:42:37 PM

BronyMedic: Uh, why does this thread not have the Hero tag?

That takes a lot of balls, and principles to do. The amount of your life you spend earning that Eagle Scout medal is incredible, and to willingly hand it back over their bigotry is a huge step to take.


So the 'Freedom of Association' allowed by the Constitution is wrong and leads to bigotry?

You're pretty farking stupid.
 
2012-07-24 11:43:33 PM
What type of backwater redneck moron wants to be in the boy scouts anyway?

Let them keep sodomizing themselves.
 
2012-07-24 11:43:44 PM

BronyMedic: serial_crusher: I disagree with the stupid rules currently in action, but still stand by the organization and its principles. Sending back your Eagle is like moving to Canada because you don't like the guy that got elected as President.

Uh, no.

Sending back your Eagle Medal is like returning your Presidential Medal of Freedom because the Administration is doing something flippiantly idiotic. It's a major statement of protest against their bigotry. Being an Eagle Scout is a big deal in the adult world - it gives you an edge on getting into certain colleges, getting into education programs that are restricted access, getting certain jobs and political appointments, consideration for military rank upon enlistment, and even getting loans and financhial aid.

You're basically saying you accomplished one of the hardest things to do as an adolescent. It signifies that you have commited a substantial amount of years of your life, starting at the age of 11, to completeing the requirements and obtaining over 21 merit badges which each have their own individual, time consuming criteria, that you've served in multiple positions of leadership in your troop, and that you've spent hundreds of hours doing community service projects, not to mention an individual Eagle Scout project which you spend a lot of time and money doing, and has to be approved at a regional level by the BSA. And you have to be done BEFORE your 18th birthday, and have your approval for the award. Otherwise, you become inelegable. Less than 10% of Boy Scouts ever get to the point where they are even considered.

This isn't something you get just for being in Scouts until you're 18. You work your ass off to earn this thing. And it means a LOT outside of scouts.


Hear hear!

I am really disapointed with the BSA decision on this, but I feel like the organization has been very anti-homosexual for a longtime now and I dont think turning in my medal would really do anything to change their minds.
 
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