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(Fox News)   Fox News proclaims to the world that Obamacare reduces the federal deficit (also the CBO, but nobody listens to those guys)   (foxnews.com ) divider line 94
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2012-07-24 11:11:06 PM  

cchris_39: KarmicDisaster: Maybe FOX is realizing that there are a lot of big money Republican owned corporations that support the healthcare act. It's just the insurance companies that don't like it because it will cut into their profits by making the insurance market more competitive. Pretty sure that there is more money behind it that opposed to it, FOX needs to get with the program.

^THS FTW.

The government wants to spend a trillion dollars (for starters).


I'm against one half of the Iraq War, too. Unfortunately, this isn't 2003 and our dissent means nothing. The money has already been cast into the desert, given to private mercenaries and used to kill brown people. =( Maybe we'll speak out next time.
 
2012-07-24 11:13:34 PM  
so vote Republican?
 
2012-07-24 11:22:35 PM  
Damn I wish that article had commenting enabled. That would have been fun to watch.
 
2012-07-24 11:28:08 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Putting aside the question of whether it will cost or save money, the real question remains whether it is the Federal government's role to provide this to its citizens. The states have the ability to determine their own fates, as Massachusetts did with RomneyCare.

It isn't a budget problem, like the Democrats want to frame it as. It is a problem of expansion of Federal powers and usurpation of individual rights.

Only the Republicans want to fight for the rights of the people. As long as both sides approach this from these completely different perspectives, America is farked.


All Americans should be guaranteed equal rights no matter the state in which they reside. I would consider not having to die from a preventable health issue to be a basic right...life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness and all of that. We have rights beyond ones listed in the Bill of Rights.

And come back to me on that Republicans want to fight for the rights of the people when they aren't fighting AGAINST me personally having equal rights. Every day of my life right now is directly impacted by Republicans and their denial of my equal rights.
 
2012-07-24 11:30:24 PM  
I was so hoping to see comments on the site. Sadly I have been denied.
 
2012-07-24 11:34:46 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: Damn I wish that article had commenting enabled. That would have been fun to watch.


I was thinking the same thing. Perhaps Freeperville picked up that article. Hmm...I'm not seeing it. Perhaps I missed it. I did, however, find some beautiful and loving eulogies to Sally Ride:

"I have to admit I was very disappointed to find out she was a lesbian."

"She made her life choices when she could. I'll give her credit that she was not a bull, but its still a pity.

Imagine what she could have done if she was normal."
 
2012-07-24 11:35:19 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Putting aside the question of whether it will cost or save money, the real question remains whether it is the Federal government's role to provide this to its citizens. The states have the ability to determine their own fates, as Massachusetts did with RomneyCare.

It isn't a budget problem, like the Democrats want to frame it as. It is a problem of expansion of Federal powers and usurpation of individual rights.

Only the Republicans want to fight for the rights of the people. As long as both sides approach this from these completely different perspectives, America is farked.


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Ah, there we go. Every time we want to start talking about promoting the general welfare, some TeaTard got to pull States Rights out their ass. States Rights, States Rights, States Rights. Let me tell you something. States Rights are good, but compared to public welfare, States Rights ain't shiat!
 
2012-07-24 11:43:31 PM  

jayhawk88: Ah, there we go. Every time we want to start talking about promoting the general welfare, some TeaTard got to pull States Rights out their ass. States Rights, States Rights, States Rights. Let me tell you something. States Rights are good, but compared to public welfare, States Rights ain't shiat!


It beat the federal marijuana law's ass.
 
2012-07-24 11:44:10 PM  
Here's the thing.. I hate Romney with a passion, but Romneycare was actually a good thing. I guess he got something right at least 1 time.
 
2012-07-24 11:45:31 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: jayhawk88: Ah, there we go. Every time we want to start talking about promoting the general welfare, some TeaTard got to pull States Rights out their ass. States Rights, States Rights, States Rights. Let me tell you something. States Rights are good, but compared to public welfare, States Rights ain't shiat!

It beat the federal marijuana law's ass.


And it put those uppity negros in their place. Why else was Strom Thurmond and Trent Lott longing for those days before Strom died?
 
2012-07-24 11:48:35 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: usurpation of individual rights


I demand my Dog-given right to be driven into bankruptcy by medical bills!!!
 
2012-07-24 11:50:12 PM  

gimmegimme: insertsnarkyusername: Damn I wish that article had commenting enabled. That would have been fun to watch.

I was thinking the same thing. Perhaps Freeperville picked up that article. Hmm...I'm not seeing it. Perhaps I missed it. I did, however, find some beautiful and loving eulogies to Sally Ride:

"I have to admit I was very disappointed to find out she was a lesbian."

"She made her life choices when she could. I'll give her credit that she was not a bull, but its still a pity.

Imagine what she could have done if she was normal."


That's....just sad....
 
2012-07-25 12:20:07 AM  

Lorelle: Ah, it's an AP story. That explains it.


yeah I'm sure the website guy who posted this will be promptly sacked and this will never be reported on their cable channel
 
2012-07-25 01:18:23 AM  

Stile4aly: I was so hoping to see comments on the site. Sadly I have been denied.


Don't worry, FoxNews still has their 'blog' site Nation.FoxNews.com... Where they edit an article headline "CBO: Repealing health reform increases deficit by $109 billion" to "Obama-influenced CBO: Repealing health reform increases deficit by $109 billion"... With comment goodness...
 
2012-07-25 01:26:40 AM  
Oh goody, it reduces the deficit. How?

Link

Not my favorite source, but saw this earlier. Say goodbye to recovery... why do you think the stock market has tanked since the Supreme Court decision?
 
2012-07-25 01:34:17 AM  

Stile4aly: I was so hoping to see comments on the site. Sadly I have been denied.


insertsnarkyusername: Damn I wish that article had commenting enabled. That would have been fun to watch.


Very rarely does FoxNews.com enable commenting on articles that portray the administration in a positive light. Those that do, often contain a lot of gloating from ostensibly supportive democrats/liberals/left-wingers/whatever. Those responding to them, I guess the regular fox news viewers, have proceeded to go ape shiat, typically responding to the most trolltastic gloat of them all. The whole thing turns in to a giant derp-fest of denial, poorly memorized/paraphrased talking points, and outright hatred.

It's the last place you'll find a calm, well thought-out rebuttal.


That is what you were hoping for, right?
 
2012-07-25 01:39:09 AM  

AeAe: Here's the thing.. I hate Romney with a passion, but Romneycare was actually a good thing. I guess he got something right at least 1 time.


And if Romney were actually running on that record and talking about rational solutions to job growth and deficit reduction instead of "I'm not Obama" I would give him serious consideration.

As it stands, he's a joke.
 
2012-07-25 01:51:09 AM  
CBO? Fark those guys. Everyone knows they print the numbers Obama tells them to. Unless those numbers support my conclusions, in which case they're the standard of non-partisan number-crunching.

Stupid liberals.

$20 for the person who finds a Freeper quote saying exactly this, but without sarcasm
That's $20 for about 13 seconds of work, 11 of which are for loading the page
Offer void in most places
 
2012-07-25 02:13:45 AM  

oldass31: Stile4aly: I was so hoping to see comments on the site. Sadly I have been denied.

insertsnarkyusername: Damn I wish that article had commenting enabled. That would have been fun to watch.

Very rarely does FoxNews.com enable commenting on articles that portray the administration in a positive light. Those that do, often contain a lot of gloating from ostensibly supportive democrats/liberals/left-wingers/whatever. Those responding to them, I guess the regular fox news viewers, have proceeded to go ape shiat, typically responding to the most trolltastic gloat of them all. The whole thing turns in to a giant derp-fest of denial, poorly memorized/paraphrased talking points, and outright hatred.

It's the last place you'll find a calm, well thought-out rebuttal.


That is what you were hoping for, right?


Yes, very much so.
 
2012-07-25 02:31:52 AM  
kfcplainfield.com
 
2012-07-25 02:42:41 AM  
Where would all those people in Colorado be without Obamacare NIH grants going to promising PhD students? Oh wait, they'd be "alive".
 
2012-07-25 03:01:13 AM  

oldass31: Stile4aly: I was so hoping to see comments on the site. Sadly I have been denied.

insertsnarkyusername: Damn I wish that article had commenting enabled. That would have been fun to watch.

Very rarely does FoxNews.com enable commenting on articles that portray the administration in a positive light. Those that do, often contain a lot of gloating from ostensibly supportive democrats/liberals/left-wingers/whatever. Those responding to them, I guess the regular fox news viewers, have proceeded to go ape shiat, typically responding to the most trolltastic gloat of them all. The whole thing turns in to a giant derp-fest of denial, poorly memorized/paraphrased talking points, and outright hatred.

It's the last place you'll find a calm, well thought-out rebuttal.


That is what you were hoping for, right?


And Libertarians like me love egging both sides on depending on subject.
 
2012-07-25 03:35:35 AM  

deadcrickets: oldass31: Stile4aly: I was so hoping to see comments on the site. Sadly I have been denied.

insertsnarkyusername: Damn I wish that article had commenting enabled. That would have been fun to watch.

Very rarely does FoxNews.com enable commenting on articles that portray the administration in a positive light. Those that do, often contain a lot of gloating from ostensibly supportive democrats/liberals/left-wingers/whatever. Those responding to them, I guess the regular fox news viewers, have proceeded to go ape shiat, typically responding to the most trolltastic gloat of them all. The whole thing turns in to a giant derp-fest of denial, poorly memorized/paraphrased talking points, and outright hatred.

It's the last place you'll find a calm, well thought-out rebuttal.


That is what you were hoping for, right?

And Libertarians like me love egging both sides on depending on subject.


Smoke another bowl Republican.
 
2012-07-25 05:43:09 AM  
Budget office: Obama's health law reduces deficit
Published July 24, 2012
Associated Press
 
2012-07-25 07:02:04 AM  
Republicans have insisted that "Obamacare" will actually raise deficits -- by "trillions," according to presidential candidate Mitt Romney. But that's not so, the Congressional Budget Office said.

Obama campaigned in 2008 on the idea that he was gonna try to reform Health Care in the US to make sure more people were covered, that Insurance companies couldn't deny coverage on a whim or technicality and most importantly get a handle on cost rising out of control.

Thirty million uninsured people will be covered by 2022, or about 3 million fewer than projected this spring before the court ruling, the report said.

The CBO confirms the truth of this and yet Republicans continue to lie and spin including their presumptive nominee, Mittens Warbucks.

No Shame. No Brain. No Plan. Ladies and gentlemen, your 2012 GOP.

*golf clap*
 
2012-07-25 07:23:21 AM  
Forcing everyone to pay insurance companies to breath air. Individual Mandate. (Mandate means mandatory. )

I suppose if you get rid of programs like Medicaid and Medicare it will reduce the deficit. ("Get rid" means keep the money they took from our paychecks and cut the programs.)

After they keep our money, we are expected to pay private insurance companies for the right to live, incase we need health care. Healthcare priced by greedy insane people.

Imagine the service we will get from companies that we are forced to pay.

Forced to pay under the penalty of an Excise Tax imposed by the IRS. Don't pay the tax? Well, even the most ignorant among us understand that the IRS can imprison people who don't pay.
 
2012-07-25 07:41:44 AM  
MITT: Barack...I am your father!

BARACK: NOOOOOOOO

MITT: Also...re the dancing horse...you...you might want to sit down for this one.
 
2012-07-25 07:58:39 AM  
The CBO has alternately said one thing then another on ObamaCare. It just depends on which set of figures you tell them they have to look at even when those figures may not reflect reality.

Oh the CBO also said it puts 4 billion in new taxes on employers. That's one way to create jobs...

At the unemployment office.
 
2012-07-25 08:35:28 AM  

Chimperror2: Where would all those people in Colorado be without Obamacare NIH grants going to promising PhD students? Oh wait, they'd be "alive".


Wha? So we shouldn't fund PhD students because one of them was crazy? Or are you actually suggesting that education made him crazy?

/please tell me my sarcasm detector is on the fritz
 
2012-07-25 08:57:48 AM  

httc84: why do you think the stock market has tanked since the Supreme Court decision?


Stock closing on June 28, 2012

Dow Jones Industrial Average ( DJIA ) Close - 12602.26
Nasdaq Stock Market Close - 2849.49
S&P 500 Close - 1329.04

Stock closing on July 25, 2012:

Dow Jones Industrial Average - 12,617.32
Nasdaq Stock market: 2,862.99
S&P 500 Close: 1,338.31

Wow, such a steep drop.
 
2012-07-25 09:15:28 AM  
Instead, they assumed that many states would eventually cut deals with the federal government to expand their programs to some degree.

Gee, ya don't say. I mean, it is ALMOST as if all the hubub about this law isn't really about the substance of the law itself and is instead about some external factor.
 
2012-07-25 09:21:37 AM  

Mrtraveler01: AverageAmericanGuy: Putting aside the question of whether it will cost or save money, the real question remains whether it is the Federal government's role to provide this to its citizens. The states have the ability to determine their own fates, as Massachusetts did with RomneyCare.

It isn't a budget problem, like the Democrats want to frame it as. It is a problem of expansion of Federal powers and usurpation of individual rights.

Only the Republicans want to fight for the rights of the people. As long as both sides approach this from these completely different perspectives, America is farked.

I never got this.

It's ok for a state to force me to buy a private sector product (insurance) but yet it's not ok for the federal government to force me to buy the same private sector product?

And of course the answer is going to be "well that's because it's the federal government doing it", which leads me to this next question, isn't it basically the same concept but involving a different entity?


I'm sure there's a Federalist paper that covers this. Conservatives loves those things.
 
2012-07-25 09:51:19 AM  

theknuckler_33: Mrtraveler01: AverageAmericanGuy: Putting aside the question of whether it will cost or save money, the real question remains whether it is the Federal government's role to provide this to its citizens. The states have the ability to determine their own fates, as Massachusetts did with RomneyCare.

It isn't a budget problem, like the Democrats want to frame it as. It is a problem of expansion of Federal powers and usurpation of individual rights.

Only the Republicans want to fight for the rights of the people. As long as both sides approach this from these completely different perspectives, America is farked.

I never got this.

It's ok for a state to force me to buy a private sector product (insurance) but yet it's not ok for the federal government to force me to buy the same private sector product?

And of course the answer is going to be "well that's because it's the federal government doing it", which leads me to this next question, isn't it basically the same concept but involving a different entity?

I'm sure there's a Federalist paper that covers this. Conservatives loves those things.


You're never forced to buy insurance by the state. Only if you license a car and you don't/can't put down a bond for the minimum amount. I can go to DMV right now and give them the minimum bond amount and not ever buy auto insurance.

Obamacare is s imply a way to get 95% of the people to cover 100% of the people. It's a tax increase any way you look at it. It's insididious because of the way it usurps power to accomplish the increase.and the way it will attempt to control costs. They wll control the protocols, approved drugs, approved insurance, "cadillac plan" (read that as anything more than the minimum) and everything in between. "Death panels", No. FDA protocol panels that say "Stage IV stomach cancer is treated with these approved drogs: Nothing else is covered." Yes.
 
2012-07-25 10:09:21 AM  
Here's my question. Are there really middle class folks out there who have jobs that offer medical insurance that turn it down? I can't believe there are that many people in this category...
 
2012-07-25 11:11:20 AM  

KJUW89: Here's my question. Are there really middle class folks out there who have jobs that offer medical insurance that turn it down? I can't believe there are that many people in this category...


i've had to turn down health insurance from every single job i've had my entire adult life. with a BA of course the best paying job i've ever had was salaried but considering the hours i was expected to put in, i was barely making $10 an hr. insurance at that place started at almost $400 a month.

and now i own my own business so of course health insurance is even less of a priority. if it weren't for the mandate, i would likely try to skate by having zero coverage until i qualified for medicare or something.

and of course before you go looking to criticize my choices in relation to the question, bear in mind i haven't been under the delusion that i was anything as lofty as middle class for a very, very long time
 
2012-07-25 11:30:24 AM  

Chimperror2: You're never forced to buy insurance by the state. Only if you license a car and you don't/can't put down a bond for the minimum amount. I can go to DMV right now and give them the minimum bond amount and not ever buy auto insurance.


Unless you live in Massachusetts. Then you're forced to buy health insurance or face a tax penalty.

Say, where have I heard this before?
 
2012-07-25 12:04:08 PM  

DeusMeh: KJUW89: Here's my question. Are there really middle class folks out there who have jobs that offer medical insurance that turn it down? I can't believe there are that many people in this category...

i've had to turn down health insurance from every single job i've had my entire adult life. with a BA of course the best paying job i've ever had was salaried but considering the hours i was expected to put in, i was barely making $10 an hr. insurance at that place started at almost $400 a month.

and now i own my own business so of course health insurance is even less of a priority. if it weren't for the mandate, i would likely try to skate by having zero coverage until i qualified for medicare or something.

and of course before you go looking to criticize my choices in relation to the question, bear in mind i haven't been under the delusion that i was anything as lofty as middle class for a very, very long time


So if you don't identify yourself as "middle class" then this doesn't really apply in your situation. Not that that's bad, I'm just trying to wrap my head around the whole "this is a tax on the middle class" when 99% (I believe) of the middle class already has insurance, so they don't have to change anything. I'd like to believe that you would appreciate having health insurance, and sincerely hope ObamaCare helps with that.
 
2012-07-25 12:12:03 PM  
Stupidity! Stupidity everywhere! These dumbshiats should have started this BEFORE people were calling it Obamacare. Seriously. The Republicans owned this.

It was their initial idea and their guy Romney had it working just fine in Massachusetts. Instead they didn't want to think it out and let Obama have: healthcare reform, deficit reduction & his name permanently on the legislation to take the credit for it's many benefits.

I want to be a Republican strategist. Karl Rove is a complete asshole, but at least he knew politics. I feel like the current batch have no idea what's going on.
 
2012-07-25 12:19:29 PM  

KJUW89: DeusMeh: KJUW89: Here's my question. Are there really middle class folks out there who have jobs that offer medical insurance that turn it down? I can't believe there are that many people in this category...

i've had to turn down health insurance from every single job i've had my entire adult life. with a BA of course the best paying job i've ever had was salaried but considering the hours i was expected to put in, i was barely making $10 an hr. insurance at that place started at almost $400 a month.

and now i own my own business so of course health insurance is even less of a priority. if it weren't for the mandate, i would likely try to skate by having zero coverage until i qualified for medicare or something.

and of course before you go looking to criticize my choices in relation to the question, bear in mind i haven't been under the delusion that i was anything as lofty as middle class for a very, very long time

So if you don't identify yourself as "middle class" then this doesn't really apply in your situation. Not that that's bad, I'm just trying to wrap my head around the whole "this is a tax on the middle class" when 99% (I believe) of the middle class already has insurance, so they don't have to change anything. I'd like to believe that you would appreciate having health insurance, and sincerely hope ObamaCare helps with that.


i think the primary falsehood we have to address is, we as a nation don't quite have a middle class anymore. and as far as class mobility goes, you're much likelier to slide down than to climb up
 
2012-07-25 01:50:09 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Putting aside the question of whether it will cost or save money, the real question remains whether it is the Federal government's role to provide this to its citizens. The states have the ability to determine their own fates, as Massachusetts did with RomneyCare.

It isn't a budget problem, like the Democrats want to frame it as. It is a problem of expansion of Federal powers and usurpation of individual rights.

Only the Republicans want to fight for the rights of the people. As long as both sides approach this from these completely different perspectives, America is farked.


Except the people that can't get covered, they don't want to fight for their rights. More just a fark you I got mine.
 
2012-07-25 03:43:32 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Putting aside the question of whether it will cost or save money, the real question remains whether it is the Federal government's role to provide this to its citizens. The states have the ability to determine their own fates, as Massachusetts did with RomneyCare.

It isn't a budget problem, like the Democrats want to frame it as. It is a problem of expansion of Federal powers and usurpation of individual rights.

Only the Republicans want to fight for the rights of the people. As long as both sides approach this from these completely different perspectives, America is farked.


So the Republican's want to fight for our rights, huh? So how do you explain the Patriot Act etc? Cause let me tell you, I take much greater issue with the government spying on people than I do with the government telling me I have to buy health insurance. Also please explain how DOMA is fighting for people's rights.
 
2012-07-25 04:02:22 PM  

Mrtraveler01: AverageAmericanGuy: Putting aside the question of whether it will cost or save money, the real question remains whether it is the Federal government's role to provide this to its citizens. The states have the ability to determine their own fates, as Massachusetts did with RomneyCare.

It isn't a budget problem, like the Democrats want to frame it as. It is a problem of expansion of Federal powers and usurpation of individual rights.

Only the Republicans want to fight for the rights of the people. As long as both sides approach this from these completely different perspectives, America is farked.

I never got this.

It's ok for a state to force me to buy a private sector product (insurance) but yet it's not ok for the federal government to force me to buy the same private sector product?

And of course the answer is going to be "well that's because it's the federal government doing it", which leads me to this next question, isn't it basically the same concept but involving a different entity?


ok, the way i understand it is that it's b/c you can leave the state? or something like that? it's farking retarded no matter what way you look at it.
 
2012-07-25 05:08:54 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Putting aside the question of whether it will cost or save money, the real question remains whether it is the Federal government's role to provide this to its citizens. The states have the ability to determine their own fates, as Massachusetts did with RomneyCare.

It isn't a budget problem, like the Democrats want to frame it as. It is a problem of expansion of Federal powers and usurpation of individual rights.

Only the Republicans want to fight for the rights of the people. As long as both sides approach this from these completely different perspectives, America is farked.


1/10

You try to sound serious, like you truly believe what you're typing. Ultimately, the stupidity of what you're saying gives up the ruse. Someone who says:

Only the Republicans want to fight for the rights of the people

is obviously to addle-brained to theorize on the Federal government's role in people's lives. I'm sorry, but you must be this tall to ride this ride.
 
2012-07-25 05:15:56 PM  

Stile4aly: AeAe: Here's the thing.. I hate Romney with a passion, but Romneycare was actually a good thing. I guess he got something right at least 1 time.

And if Romney were actually running on that record and talking about rational solutions to job growth and deficit reduction instead of "I'm not Obama" I would give him serious consideration.

As it stands, he's a joke.


It's funny that one of the few good things he's done (has he done anything else than just Romneycare? The Olympics possibly?), he's distancing himself from.
 
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