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(Deadspin)   Penn State fans upset about the recent NCAA penalties have moved on from the rape metaphors and are now going full 9/11   (deadspin.com) divider line 193
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2012-07-25 05:17:32 AM  

puffy999: But SMU's "higher ups" did not simply know players were taking money, and they did not simply cover it up (even after being sanctioned by the NCAA for the same violations).... THEY WERE MAILING THE CHECKS (in SMU stationary).


And there is a parallel between SMU and Penn State that so far hasn't really been picked up on. When the paper that broke the SMU story first did so, it lost a bundle of advertising. Turns out many SMU supporters were various business owners who weren't going to let someone besmirch their beloved SMU. And a lot of people got ticked off at how dare someone try to drag SMU through the mud. Even after the NCAA declared the death penalty, these people were still ticked off. Not at SMU for destroying its own football program, but at the people who found out what was going on. The paper never recovered most of the lost advertising.
 
2012-07-25 05:19:34 AM  
When did universities exist solely to do this thing that I made up in my own mind? TELL ME THAT!!!
 
2012-07-25 05:19:39 AM  

dave2198: Also, since when did universities exist solely to develop players for professional sports? This hs always offended me. Why are my student fees and tuition dollars going to feed the NFL and NBA with talent?How does that jive with the mission of a university?


Now that's a discussion I think we need to have as a society.

I enjoy sports, but when is too much too much?
 
2012-07-25 05:22:04 AM  

WhyteRaven74: And there is a parallel between SMU and Penn State that so far hasn't really been picked up on. When the paper that broke the SMU story first did so, it lost a bundle of advertising. Turns out many SMU supporters were various business owners who weren't going to let someone besmirch their beloved SMU. And a lot of people got ticked off at how dare someone try to drag SMU through the mud. Even after the NCAA declared the death penalty, these people were still ticked off. Not at SMU for destroying its own football program, but at the people who found out what was going on. The paper never recovered most of the lost advertising.


Watching that smarmy dickhole Craig James try to defend himself, and his brothers, made me enraged. I sort-of wished Mike Leach had a voodoo doll somewhere on his person, and jabbed a needle right into the heart.
 
2012-07-25 05:24:45 AM  
Forgot to add: that's a good point regarding the SMU situation. And they're STILL mad about it...

Even though there are some pissed off people at Penn State, at least these accusations are so heinous that people likely won't go as far as SMU's apologists do (or, say, Alabama's boosters will go to oust a coach or Auburn's boosters will go to pay a player).
 
2012-07-25 05:27:05 AM  

puffy999: I enjoy sports, but when is too much too much?


Well, look at this list, and see how far you have to scroll down before you get to an NFL team
 
2012-07-25 05:29:08 AM  

BigJake: dave2198: To extend it one step further, people are borrowing out the ass, and mortgaging their futures, to go to expensive schools based solely on their love for sports.

Precious few of those schools are expensive, at least relatively speaking (Duke is, USC is, but there are few private schools in those ranks.)

dave2198: This athletic culture is responsible in no small part for many of the problems we have in higher education.

That is flatly nonsense. Even at football factories the football programs' revenues are a VERY small slice of those institutions' budgets and personnel, and at those same schools, rarely if ever a net drain.


State schools can be expensive, especially if you live out-of-state. If your family lives in Georgia, and you love 'Bama football, you can expect to pay $15k per semester.

Many athletic programs are a net drain, especially once you move away from Div. I programs. Div. I money is different, from bowl games to TV revenue to merch. Many Division II sports programs do not have those revenue streams, yet they spend like they are small Division I schools. Many athletic programs rely on student fees to close budget gaps. Many athletic programs pull funds from other departments to cover their asses. Many athletic programs are given blank checks to cover whatever they need. I have worked at a Div. II where all of the above has happened, plus some.

Considering how many students rely on student loans to get through school, it is irresponsible for schools to spend that money on things which will not directly benefit them. When a school raises student fees to pay for athletic endeavors, the athletic department is essentially receiving free money on the backs of the students. The students will end up paying off this loan with interest.
 
2012-07-25 05:29:12 AM  
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THEY'LL BE KILLINGS NEXT!
 
2012-07-25 05:32:46 AM  

BigJake: When did universities exist solely to do this thing that I made up in my own mind? TELL ME THAT!!!


Open your eyes.
 
2012-07-25 05:34:05 AM  

puffy999: And they're STILL mad about it...


Heh yeah. The thing with Penn State is the people who are ticked off, are completely missing the big picture. With SMU there is just the one issue, there's no larger issue with it. With Penn State you have people who are completely ignoring all the covering up and various other issues, cause Paterno was breaking NCAA rules, like the rule about player discipline. One student yesterday was saying how they shouldn't be punished because Sandusky wasn't a coach on the team after 98. I'm wondering what'll happen if an NFL player who went to Penn State pipes up and says what happened was reprehensible and that he's ashamed/enraged whatever that Paterno and others would involve themselves in a cover up as they did.
 
2012-07-25 05:36:31 AM  
They should not have taken Joe's statue down!

Just shift it so it's looking the other way...
 
2012-07-25 05:45:21 AM  

Hardy-r-r: Just shift it so it's looking the other way...


Or as a friend suggested, put it in the library to remind everyone to keep quiet.
 
2012-07-25 05:46:53 AM  

WhyteRaven74: puffy999: But SMU's "higher ups" did not simply know players were taking money, and they did not simply cover it up (even after being sanctioned by the NCAA for the same violations).... THEY WERE MAILING THE CHECKS (in SMU stationary).

And there is a parallel between SMU and Penn State that so far hasn't really been picked up on. When the paper that broke the SMU story first did so, it lost a bundle of advertising. Turns out many SMU supporters were various business owners who weren't going to let someone besmirch their beloved SMU. And a lot of people got ticked off at how dare someone try to drag SMU through the mud. Even after the NCAA declared the death penalty, these people were still ticked off. Not at SMU for destroying its own football program, but at the people who found out what was going on. The paper never recovered most of the lost advertising.


They got through it, though. The paper that reported it is still the number 1 paper in Dallas and the TV station that picked up on it has been dominant in the Dallas market for decades. It didn't really hurt them much.

I live in Texas, so let me explain that SMU is the school where rich Dallas businessmen send their kids. Back during the scandal, they liked to bluff that they had more pull in that city than they really did.
 
2012-07-25 05:48:36 AM  

dave2198: If your family lives in Georgia, and you love 'Bama football, you can expect to pay $15k per semester.

Then go to Georgia.

It's not like they don't frequently field a competitive SEC football team. If going to Alabama is that important, it's your money, so burn it if you want.

dave2198: Many Division II sports programs do not have those revenue streams, yet they spend like they are small Division I schools.


No. Given that the average DII athletic budget is less than half that of the average D1A midmajor (excluding the BCS dudes!) budget, not really.

dave2198: I have worked at a Div. II where all of the above has happened, plus some.


To be perfectly honest, I don't give a flying fark about Division II and neither does anyone else, which is why they're a budgetary drain. I don't have a problem with schools that want to shut their programs down since they actually represent more than a rounding error in their respective institutional budgets. But when (most) people rail on about college athletics, those aren't the programs they're railing against.

dave2198: Open your eyes.


Back up your ridiculous hyperbolic statements.
 
2012-07-25 05:50:03 AM  

Hardy-r-r: Just shift it so it's looking the other way...


DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER! As the one millionth person to make this joke, you've won a prize!
 
2012-07-25 05:50:39 AM  
Time for bed. See yall tomorrow maybe
 
2012-07-25 05:51:00 AM  

stoli n coke: , so let me explain that SMU is the school where rich Dallas businessmen send their kids


Which is why the outrage, well poutrage really, caused a mess for some people. It wasn't a bunch of kids crying into their frappuncinos, it was businessmen who weren't about to let anyone besmirch their beloved SMU.
 
2012-07-25 06:28:55 AM  
We are Ped State!!....where butthurt is legendary....just like 9/11 and the holocaust.
 
2012-07-25 06:33:37 AM  

heap: Captain_Ballbeard: doglover: This is Penn Staters reacting negatively to being demonized for shiat they couldn't have been involved in.


Learn to keep your house clean. Plenty of people got bombed in Baghdad that never worked for Sadaam.

the aspect that gets me is the 'woooh, think of the innocents!' proclamations - did anybody really lash their backs and decry the horror of the 30 deserving student athletes that will be deprived their birthright because of a punishment USC received as an institution?

and this was over reggie bush getting monetary gain he wasn't supposed to - not hiding shower room rape, for chrissakes. yet in this instance, the very idea of punishing the institution for it's institutional failures is tantamount to mob justice.


they were going to cry and whine no matter what happened, there's really no reason at all to listen to these people, they haven't earned the right yet to be listened to
 
2012-07-25 06:50:49 AM  

FloydA: WhoIsWillo: This reminds me of the reactions of members of cults after their leader is discovered to be farking a goat or something.

Yup. The more the alumni hyperventilate and scream, the more they prove why the sanctions were necessary.


They should have just shut down the football program for a few years on top of the sanctions. These people are a farking cancer, and this wristslap by the NCAA isn't going to change the culture of the program.
 
2012-07-25 06:57:59 AM  
So nearly everyone currently associated with Penn State is a total and complete farking douchebag then? Holy shiat.
 
2012-07-25 06:58:43 AM  

doglover: jaylectricity: You know, when a father rapes and murders a random young girl we shouldn't put him in prison because his children didn't do anything wrong and you'd be depriving them of a father figure and presumably a male paycheck every week or two into the household.

False metaphor is false.

This would be like throwing the man's whole social circle and their families in jail because of what the man, who was already in jail, did fourteen years ago.


But they deserve everything they get because they deign to support him after it's been proven he's a sadistic bastard!

...again, if you're an Evangelical Christian who thinks the world started <10,000 years ago, there was a worldwide flood, and all those fossils and stars were put there to test your faith, and you think God is caring and loving even after it's pointed out to you all the atrocities that happen in the Bible that are approved by Him...finally, for just a second, you now know how everyone else in the world views you.
 
2012-07-25 07:00:04 AM  

AdamK: they were going to cry and whine no matter what happened, there's really no reason at all to listen to these people, they haven't earned the right yet to be listened to


Keep dehumanizing people for deigning to disagree with you. That always works out so well.
 
2012-07-25 07:06:42 AM  

puffy999: Forgot to add: that's a good point regarding the SMU situation. And they're STILL mad about it...

Even though there are some pissed off people at Penn State, at least these accusations are so heinous that people likely won't go as far as SMU's apologists do (or, say, Alabama's boosters will go to oust a coach or Auburn's boosters will go to pay a player).


Yep. SMU people still defend the actual acts that got them death penaltied. Same with USC and Ohio State. Hell, even Florida A&M students defend the hazing that led to that band member's death even now.

You won't hear even the most strident Joe Paterno supporter directly defend child rape. Even those that truly don't know what supporting Paterno even now means...not one will say "Eh, it's just child rape, what the fark's the big deal?" (They will say "Why are you punishing us when it's Jerry Sandusky who did it?" but that's a different argument, and anyone trying to conflate the two is just as deluded as they are.)
 
2012-07-25 07:08:48 AM  

IlGreven: puffy999: Forgot to add: that's a good point regarding the SMU situation. And they're STILL mad about it...

Even though there are some pissed off people at Penn State, at least these accusations are so heinous that people likely won't go as far as SMU's apologists do (or, say, Alabama's boosters will go to oust a coach or Auburn's boosters will go to pay a player).

Yep. SMU people still defend the actual acts that got them death penaltied. Same with USC and Ohio State. Hell, even Florida A&M students defend the hazing that led to that band member's death even now.

You won't hear even the most strident Joe Paterno supporter directly defend child rape. Even those that truly don't know what supporting Paterno even now means...not one will say "Eh, it's just child rape, what the fark's the big deal?" (They will say "Why are you punishing us when it's Jerry Sandusky who did it?" but that's a different argument, and anyone trying to conflate the two is just as deluded as they are.)


Not really.

These people are vile.
 
2012-07-25 07:26:15 AM  

doglover: You just can't stand it that Penn State won football games, now all you can think of is Joe Pa and football.


He was shiat coach, didn't win anything since 98.
 
2012-07-25 07:26:29 AM  

doglover: jaylectricity: You know, when a father rapes and murders a random young girl we shouldn't put him in prison because his children didn't do anything wrong and you'd be depriving them of a father figure and presumably a male paycheck every week or two into the household.

False metaphor is false.

This would be like throwing the man's whole social circle and their families in jail because of what the man, who was already in jail, did fourteen years ago.

None of you care about Grahm Spanier, the other two administrators, or the victims. You just can't stand it that Penn State won football games, now all you can think of is Joe Pa and football. Newsflash assholes, this isn't about football. This is Penn Staters reacting negatively to being demonized for shiat they couldn't have been involved in. 20 kids are gonna lose their scholarships for shiat that happened when they were 5 and 6 years old.

And where are the victims' funds in all this? Where are the people trying to locate and help these kids? Nowhere, because all you want is to destroy. You'd trample the victims to get close enough to huck an egg at a picture of a dead football coach because you're nothing but a blood thirsty mob with.


Not quite subtle enough.
 
2012-07-25 07:43:55 AM  

IlGreven: puffy999: Forgot to add: that's a good point regarding the SMU situation. And they're STILL mad about it...

Even though there are some pissed off people at Penn State, at least these accusations are so heinous that people likely won't go as far as SMU's apologists do (or, say, Alabama's boosters will go to oust a coach or Auburn's boosters will go to pay a player).

Yep. SMU people still defend the actual acts that got them death penaltied. Same with USC and Ohio State. Hell, even Florida A&M students defend the hazing that led to that band member's death even now.

You won't hear even the most strident Joe Paterno supporter directly defend child rape. Even those that truly don't know what supporting Paterno even now means...not one will say "Eh, it's just child rape, what the fark's the big deal?" (They will say "Why are you punishing us when it's Jerry Sandusky who did it?" but that's a different argument, and anyone trying to conflate the two is just as deluded as they are.)


The SMU stuff, while against NCAA rules, was not a crime. Same with Ohio State and USC. The Florida A&M case is still an open investigation, so charges are not out of the question.

While no Penn State supporters are defending Sandusky for what he did, they are going to the mat to defend someone who KNEW he had a serial child rapist working for him, and did not call the police the second he found out, opting instead to do nothing.

Paterno may have won some games, but his action in this case revealed him to be nothing more than a goddamn coward who was more worried about embarassing his program and, thus, his own legend.

There's a question I've asked a lot of Paterno faithful and still haven't gotten an answer to. If the head coach at your kid's high school or junior high behaved the same way, would you be so willing to forgive?

Of course not. You'd be pissed, and rightfully so. But so many people got so wrapped up in their hero worship of Paterno, they can't see him for the kind of man he really was.
 
2012-07-25 07:46:19 AM  
The best thing about all these Penn State threads? I don't have to stumble across random trolling morans to add to my "farking retard" Ignore list. They all come running to one location, making it so much easier.

/plonk
//plonk
///and plonk again
 
2012-07-25 07:48:04 AM  

miltonbabbitt: At first, I had a "lynch 'em all" mentality, so to speak. But then I heard a radio interview with someone from Penn State, and what they said was enough to give me pause. The point was:

Universities don't molest kids - people do.
Universities don't cover up crimes - people do.

Don't punish the University - punish the people involved. All of them. But let those who had nothing to do with the crimes retain all of the opportunities college and football has to offer....

I don't have a strong opinion one way or another, but I certainly understand the frustration coming from Penn State students and faculty who have done nothing wrong but are left holding the check.


You can't say that. Read this thread - rationality has no place here. I've stated over and over that blanket punishments of people not involved are wrong and that every person actually involved should be prosecuted, jailed, banned from working an NCAA institution for life, etc, and I get called an apologist for wanting actual justice instead of this mob crap. The people here are no better than the assclown Penn Staters, just on the other side of the issue.
 
2012-07-25 07:49:59 AM  

Godscrack: Unbelievable. These sports nuts are wacko.


They're almost as bad as the people hoping to see an athletic program burnt to the ground as revenge for having been picked on by jocks when they were in school.
 
2012-07-25 07:51:28 AM  
And just when I thought Penn State fans were going to keep quiet and just show support for their football team, they go and totally redeem themselves and go full "SEAN PENN"

You never go full Sean Penn, you just never recover
 
2012-07-25 07:52:43 AM  

consider this: Godscrack: Unbelievable. These sports nuts are wacko.

They're almost as bad as the people hoping to see an athletic program burnt to the ground as revenge for having been picked on by jocks when they were in school justice for actively participating in a child rape cover up for over a decade.


Just a matter of perception I suppose.
 
2012-07-25 07:53:33 AM  
When they took down the statue of Paterno a group of students gathered and chanted "We are Penn State". That in a nutshell sums up the problem I have with them. When the allies freed Aushwitz did a group of germans gather outside and chant We are Nazi Germany?

Somebody had to Godwin this biatch.
 
2012-07-25 07:58:03 AM  
"It was our crucifixion. I felt the Centurion's spear puncture my side."

Father, forgive them for (they are dumbass sports fans and) they know not what they do.
 
2012-07-25 07:59:22 AM  

Your Average Witty Fark User: I have some family that won't STFU about this. "Oh it's just so unfair!" "Why punish the kids now for crimes committed over a decade ago?" "ESPN, stop coercing our players to transfer!"

GFY. Seriously. I've had enough of your selfishness. Worrying about your goddamned football program is what got you in this mess in the first place. STFU.


My boyfriend and I have been having this same discussion - his refusal to look at this situation as an institutional coverup and not a one time mistake makes me wonder why the fark I am with him...

There is no farking birth right to attend Penn State - if this was the only institution of higher learning or the only place these farkwits could play football, then maybe, just maybe, I would feel a little different. Since they can can go elsewhere (it is not like Penn State is the local community college's football team) no one is being deprived by the NCAA of a chance to go to college. It has just made it less attractive to play there since it is not the paragon of virtue that it once was and you won't get to go to a bowl game. At least they don't have to be butt raped as a condition of their scholarship...
 
2012-07-25 07:59:47 AM  
Great. At this growing rate of retardation Penn State will have suicide bombers exploding the Sandusky bathroom.

...right after yelling WE ARE PENN STATE!

[explosion]
 
2012-07-25 08:09:50 AM  
[westboro_bapist_protesters_GODHATESPENNSTATE.jpg]
 
2012-07-25 08:10:02 AM  
College sports is entertainment. It serves no other purpose. Drain the money from it.
 
2012-07-25 08:11:44 AM  

Wild Eyed and Wicked: My boyfriend and I have been having this same discussion - his refusal to look at this situation as an institutional coverup and not a one time mistake makes me wonder why the fark I am with him...


You sound like a sensible, intelligent woman...

/Don't watch sports on teevee.
 
2012-07-25 08:13:29 AM  
I just heard Penn States Marching band has been suspended for playing in A Minor
 
2012-07-25 08:14:52 AM  

puffy999: I keep reading doglover's comment and I don't see a vehement defense of Joe Paterno, I see a critical analysis of large groups of people WHO ARE, IN FACT, MORE INTERESTED IN JOE PATERNO THAN THE VICTIMS.


Why should we be any different than the people in State College. You know, those folks who rioted when Paterno was fired, the dopes on campus who were simply AGHAST when the penalties were handed down Monday, or this fellow who compared the SANCTIONS to a massive terrorist attack that killed over 3000 people. Not the crimes, mind you, the sanctions. Against the football team.

This is a Paterno conversation because that's the only thing those people care about.
 
2012-07-25 08:14:59 AM  

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: So nearly everyone currently associated with Penn State is a total and complete farking douchebag then? Holy shiat.


I honestly think it's just the ones that stay in central PA. We had a couple in my grad department at ECU (one was a history major, one was a meteorology major, never fully understood why he was going for an MA in maritime history). They were fine folks, but they finished up long before this mess hit the fan.
 
2012-07-25 08:15:47 AM  

Godscrack: Unbelievable. These sports nuts are wacko.


Ya. The fact that we're almost up to 20 threads on the subject since Friday alone kinda points that out.
 
2012-07-25 08:25:45 AM  
akuma976:

I just heard Penn States Marching band has been suspended for playing in A Minor

omgwtfbbq ... THE BAND WAS IN ON IT, TOO (clicky clicky)

/ Penn State team intro FTL
 
2012-07-25 08:30:35 AM  

doglover: jaylectricity: You know, when a father rapes and murders a random young girl we shouldn't put him in prison because his children didn't do anything wrong and you'd be depriving them of a father figure and presumably a male paycheck every week or two into the household.

False metaphor is false.

This would be like throwing the man's whole social circle and their families in jail because of what the man, who was already in jail, did fourteen years ago.

None of you care about Grahm Spanier, the other two administrators, or the victims. You just can't stand it that Penn State won football games, now all you can think of is Joe Pa and football. Newsflash assholes, this isn't about football. This is Penn Staters reacting negatively to being demonized for shiat they couldn't have been involved in. 20 kids are gonna lose their scholarships for shiat that happened when they were 5 and 6 years old.

And where are the victims' funds in all this? Where are the people trying to locate and help these kids? Nowhere, because all you want is to destroy. You'd trample the victims to get close enough to huck an egg at a picture of a dead football coach because you're nothing but a blood thirsty mob with.


0/10
 
2012-07-25 08:39:19 AM  

IlGreven: AdamK: they were going to cry and whine no matter what happened, there's really no reason at all to listen to these people, they haven't earned the right yet to be listened to

Keep dehumanizing people for deigning to disagree with you. That always works out so well.


if ignoring people is dehumanizing then most of the internet is dog
 
2012-07-25 08:43:22 AM  
we need to redirect marksmen from colorado to psu....
 
2012-07-25 08:47:51 AM  
I've come around in this. I was squarely in the "don't punish the group for the actions of the few" crowd but my mind had been changed.

The bad actors in this case were acting to protect the University from possible harm. If we insulate the university from harm, others may think it is worth jumping on the grenade in the future.

The NCAA has to show that covering up misdeeds in order to protect the university is going to hurt the university so no one is tempted to cover up anything this horrible ever again.
 
2012-07-25 08:58:27 AM  

Krymson Tyde: "They ask me what I'd like written about me when I'm gone. I hope they write I made Penn State a better place, not just that I was a good football coach."
--Joe Paterno

Yeah, about that...


Exactly. The rabid fans of Penn State are the best "shove-your-face-in-shiat" example of how Joe Paterno's legacy is a complete an abysmal failure.

Well, that and the rape of children.

/There you go, doglover
//Really dig your nose into it.
 
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