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2012-07-25 01:08:43 AM  

doglover: History shows again and again how well mob "justice" works.


You keep using that phrase as if you know what it means.
 
2012-07-25 01:09:16 AM  

Owangotang: Weaver95: Owangotang: Boy, NCAA, sure sounds like that creepy-ass Penn State University culture of overvaluing football is changing, huh? What an unforeseen occurrence? They're circling the wagons, doubling down on the retardation, and making it into an us-against-the-world narrative! People said that taking away Paterno's wins on paper did not accomplish anything but we know differently, huh NCAA?

you MIGHT want to give it a bit more time to work....

What's the point? Do you really think at some time in the future that this sort of thing will stop there? They still get to have their football! All they lose, and only temporarily, is the quality of play. Take away the program for a few years and they would have been forced to do something else.

It's just f*cking scummy and creepy. And no, I don't particularly think that Penn State would never let something like this happen again because the mechanism that led to it in the first place still exists.


And it hasn't even been a week yet....
 
2012-07-25 01:10:18 AM  

PowerSlacker: doglover: History shows again and again how well mob "justice" works.

You keep using that phrase as if you know what it means.


I guess he feels that if he keeps repeating the lie it'll somehow become true.
 
2012-07-25 01:12:28 AM  

doglover: This is Penn Staters reacting negatively to being demonized for shiat they couldn't have been involved in.



Learn to keep your house clean. Plenty of people got bombed in Baghdad that never worked for Sadaam.
 
2012-07-25 01:15:08 AM  

Owangotang: They're circling the wagons, doubling down on the retardation, and making it into an us-against-the-world narrative!


Great, gives me another reason to watch college ball - a great Saturday would be PSU and Notre Dame both going down hard, but not on little boys.
 
2012-07-25 01:16:22 AM  
They see planes crashing into towers but no one saw fit to report old man cock crashing into prepubescent boy sphincter.

It's your right to lack perspective and be stupid, but I wish you had the good sense to not go on the record.
 
2012-07-25 01:19:17 AM  

Captain_Ballbeard: doglover: This is Penn Staters reacting negatively to being demonized for shiat they couldn't have been involved in.


Learn to keep your house clean. Plenty of people got bombed in Baghdad that never worked for Sadaam.


the aspect that gets me is the 'woooh, think of the innocents!' proclamations - did anybody really lash their backs and decry the horror of the 30 deserving student athletes that will be deprived their birthright because of a punishment USC received as an institution?

and this was over reggie bush getting monetary gain he wasn't supposed to - not hiding shower room rape, for chrissakes. yet in this instance, the very idea of punishing the institution for it's institutional failures is tantamount to mob justice.
 
2012-07-25 01:23:30 AM  

Weaver95: Owangotang: Weaver95: Owangotang: Boy, NCAA, sure sounds like that creepy-ass Penn State University culture of overvaluing football is changing, huh? What an unforeseen occurrence? They're circling the wagons, doubling down on the retardation, and making it into an us-against-the-world narrative! People said that taking away Paterno's wins on paper did not accomplish anything but we know differently, huh NCAA?

you MIGHT want to give it a bit more time to work....

What's the point? Do you really think at some time in the future that this sort of thing will stop there? They still get to have their football! All they lose, and only temporarily, is the quality of play. Take away the program for a few years and they would have been forced to do something else.

It's just f*cking scummy and creepy. And no, I don't particularly think that Penn State would never let something like this happen again because the mechanism that led to it in the first place still exists.

And it hasn't even been a week yet....


Just wait until the season starts.

The crazy thing is that if Penn State and Joe Pa would have handled this the correct way from the start and turned Sandusky in, Penn State and Joe Pa would have been elevated as an institute of integrity even more than they already were. I'm talking almost god like stature. When McQuery came to Joe Pa and told him what he saw, if Joe Pa would have said "Not on my watch", and took McQuery to the police station right then and there, that statue of him would not only be still up, it would be 20 feet high, made of platinum and encrusted with the rarest of jewels.

Now there would have been a small scandal, and more than likely some money paid out to the victims, but when the smoke cleared the school and Joe Pa would have been universally praised for putting the welfare of kids over reputation, profits and football. And also there would not have been any NCAA sanctions, instead anytime the team was talked about, it would either also be talked about or on people's minds how they put the safety of kids over all else even though it was at a great potential detriment to them. But instead they decided to go with a criminal coverup and now whenever Penn state football is talked about in the near future this will be on peoples minds.
 
2012-07-25 01:28:41 AM  

ongbok: Weaver95: Owangotang: Weaver95: Owangotang: Boy, NCAA, sure sounds like that creepy-ass Penn State University culture of overvaluing football is changing, huh? What an unforeseen occurrence? They're circling the wagons, doubling down on the retardation, and making it into an us-against-the-world narrative! People said that taking away Paterno's wins on paper did not accomplish anything but we know differently, huh NCAA?

you MIGHT want to give it a bit more time to work....

What's the point? Do you really think at some time in the future that this sort of thing will stop there? They still get to have their football! All they lose, and only temporarily, is the quality of play. Take away the program for a few years and they would have been forced to do something else.

It's just f*cking scummy and creepy. And no, I don't particularly think that Penn State would never let something like this happen again because the mechanism that led to it in the first place still exists.

And it hasn't even been a week yet....

Just wait until the season starts.

The crazy thing is that if Penn State and Joe Pa would have handled this the correct way from the start and turned Sandusky in, Penn State and Joe Pa would have been elevated as an institute of integrity even more than they already were. I'm talking almost god like stature. When McQuery came to Joe Pa and told him what he saw, if Joe Pa would have said "Not on my watch", and took McQuery to the police station right then and there, that statue of him would not only be still up, it would be 20 feet high, made of platinum and encrusted with the rarest of jewels.

Now there would have been a small scandal, and more than likely some money paid out to the victims, but when the smoke cleared the school and Joe Pa would have been universally praised for putting the welfare of kids over reputation, profits and football. And also there would not have been any NCAA sanctions, instead anytime the team was talked about, it would either also be talked about or on people's minds how they put the safety of kids over all else even though it was at a great potential detriment to them. But instead they decided to go with a criminal coverup and now whenever Penn state football is talked about in the near future this will be on peoples minds.


It's almost as if I read the exact same thing before...
 
2012-07-25 01:28:56 AM  
Imagine being a senior about to graduate with a degree from there. I'd be running as far away from that place as possible.

If the DoE drops the hammer, I'd like to see them offer regular undergrads/grad students the option to transfer and have their scholarships/grants continue to be honored. A degree from there might as well say "University of Phoenix" at this point.
 
2012-07-25 01:46:35 AM  
Like they mentioned on Outside the Lines, someone at Penn State yesterday said it was the darkest day in Penn State history. No, those days on which those boys were raped were darker, the days when Paterno and others decided to cover things up, were darker.
 
2012-07-25 01:48:49 AM  
Am I right in thinking that Frank Beamer is NCAA FBS's winningest active coach? And he'd need like 50 wins to pass JoePa in official wins?
 
2012-07-25 01:55:22 AM  

doglover: 20 kids are gonna lose their scholarships for shiat that happened when they were 5 and 6 years old.


Um, not really. Other colleges will step up if the kids are decent and looking to leave. With scholarships. Michigan already has.
 
2012-07-25 01:56:08 AM  
I have some family that won't STFU about this. "Oh it's just so unfair!" "Why punish the kids now for crimes committed over a decade ago?" "ESPN, stop coercing our players to transfer!"

GFY. Seriously. I've had enough of your selfishness. Worrying about your goddamned football program is what got you in this mess in the first place. STFU.
 
2012-07-25 02:06:42 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Like they mentioned on Outside the Lines, someone at Penn State yesterday said it was the darkest day in Penn State history. No, those days on which those boys were raped were darker, the days when Paterno and others decided to cover things up, were darker.


They will never understand. Dead-ender U.
 
2012-07-25 02:14:49 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Like they mentioned on Outside the Lines, someone at Penn State yesterday said it was the darkest day in Penn State history. No, those days on which those boys were raped were darker, the days when Paterno and others decided to cover things up, were darker.


That was Mark Emmert.
He basically said, "There's no way this is the darkest day for PSU. The darkest day for PSU is the day children were molested. The day their assistant coach was convicted of 45 counts of molestation/rape. The day the Freeh report came out and everyone realized that their idol was a child rapist enabler."
That's paraphrasing.
 
2012-07-25 02:15:30 AM  
I'm going to believe that in the future he will reflect on that statement and regret it, because I want to have faith in humanity.
 
2012-07-25 02:17:41 AM  
if the penn state fans would just agree that it was a morally apprehensive thing of JoePa to do.... and admit the heads of their school farked up.... i think we could get over it.

but the PSU fans just keep insisting on saying that nothing was done wrong. it boggles my mind.
 
2012-07-25 02:20:10 AM  

uofacats2004: That was Mark Emmert.


Yep.
 
2012-07-25 02:26:19 AM  

uofacats2004: but the PSU fans just keep insisting on saying that nothing was done wrong. it boggles my mind.


And they keep trying to make it just about Sandusky, like it was him alone.
 
2012-07-25 02:26:39 AM  

doglover: You just can't stand it that Penn State won football games, now all you can think of is Joe Pa and football.


I don't follow college football. I can't name even one kid out of Penn State that plays in the NFL.
 
2012-07-25 02:28:31 AM  
They haven't started talking about renaming State College as "Paternotown" have they? No large orders of Flavor Aid?
 
2012-07-25 02:30:14 AM  

doglover: You just can't stand it that Penn State won football games


This non-fan of sports who stuck his head inside the Fark Sports tab out of morbid curiosity is shocked at the behavior of Penn State fans.
 
2012-07-25 02:35:36 AM  

jaylectricity: I can't name even one kid out of Penn State that plays in the NFL.


There's actually about 3 dozen, funny enough the best known one is a kicker, Robbie Gould of the Chicago Bears.

doglover: . You just can't stand it that Penn State won football games


As someone who went to Wisconsin, allow me say, bwahahahahahahahhahahahahaha yeah, no.
 
2012-07-25 03:11:16 AM  
At first, I had a "lynch 'em all" mentality, so to speak. But then I heard a radio interview with someone from Penn State, and what they said was enough to give me pause. The point was:

Universities don't molest kids - people do.
Universities don't cover up crimes - people do.

Don't punish the University - punish the people involved. All of them. But let those who had nothing to do with the crimes retain all of the opportunities college and football has to offer....


I don't have a strong opinion one way or another, but I certainly understand the frustration coming from Penn State students and faculty who have done nothing wrong but are left holding the check.
 
2012-07-25 03:11:23 AM  

BronyMedic: Penn State must be wanting to get all of it's spokespersons on Medicare Disability. It's the only explanation for how they keep shootign themselves in the foot this way.


Plus, if I read the punishments right, the NCAA didn't tell Penn Staters they had to STOP molesting children. So they've got that going for them.
 
2012-07-25 03:17:44 AM  

stoli n coke: BronyMedic: Penn State must be wanting to get all of it's spokespersons on Medicare Disability. It's the only explanation for how they keep shootign themselves in the foot this way.

Plus, if I read the punishments right, the NCAA didn't tell Penn Staters they had to STOP molesting children. So they've got that going for them.


Somebody commented in another Fark thread that the NCAA had no business getting involved because there was no NCAA rule against what Penn State did. My only response was, do you really need a rule to tell you that you can't cover up child rape?

Sadly that is an argument a lot of Penn State apologist are going with.
 
2012-07-25 03:20:44 AM  

miltonbabbitt: , but I certainly understand the frustration coming from Penn State students and faculty who have done nothing wrong but are left holding the check.


The faculty, at least from what's gone around, have no problem with things. It's the students who are off the deep end.
 
2012-07-25 03:28:31 AM  

WhyteRaven74: miltonbabbitt: , but I certainly understand the frustration coming from Penn State students and faculty who have done nothing wrong but are left holding the check.

The faculty, at least from what's gone around, have no problem with things. It's the students who are off the deep end.


It is because for the most part the faculty didn't come to Penn State for the football team. It is the students by a large percentage who came partly to have their identity forever defined by the football team and to live vicariously through the football team. That is why you see so many of them and so many alumni going ape shiat over NCAA sanctions and anybody that says anything bad about Joe Pa.
 
2012-07-25 03:38:47 AM  

ongbok: stoli n coke: BronyMedic: Penn State must be wanting to get all of it's spokespersons on Medicare Disability. It's the only explanation for how they keep shootign themselves in the foot this way.

Plus, if I read the punishments right, the NCAA didn't tell Penn Staters they had to STOP molesting children. So they've got that going for them.

Somebody commented in another Fark thread that the NCAA had no business getting involved because there was no NCAA rule against what Penn State did. My only response was, do you really need a rule to tell you that you can't cover up child rape?

Sadly that is an argument a lot of Penn State apologist are going with.


You're not going to get through to hardcore college football fans. They are the worst kind of jocksniffers out there.
Makes me kind of glad the teams for the colleges I went to sucked. There was no hero worship of the athletic departments.
 
2012-07-25 03:39:09 AM  

WhoIsWillo: Penn State should thank the NCAA every day for five years for the privilege of getting to play football again. Because it's not something they deserve


Money protects money....always.
 
2012-07-25 04:07:10 AM  

miltonbabbitt: At first, I had a "lynch 'em all" mentality, so to speak. But then I heard a radio interview with someone from Penn State, and what they said was enough to give me pause. The point was:

Universities don't molest kids - people do.
Universities don't cover up crimes - people do.

Don't punish the University - punish the people involved. All of them. But let those who had nothing to do with the crimes retain all of the opportunities college and football has to offer....

I don't have a strong opinion one way or another, but I certainly understand the frustration coming from Penn State students and faculty who have done nothing wrong but are left holding the check.


I can understand that view. But the problem is that the university gave the football program an excessive amount of control over its own affairs. It failed to promote an environment where sport was secondary to morals, ethics, and the rule of law. That's why people describe this as an "institutional failure." Say a car company produces and sells a car that's a complete deathtrap. When people start burning to death in them the management can't fire the engineers and say, "You can't sue us. The engineers actually made the car. Not the company. They knew it was a death trap. How were we suppose to know? We're just management. We don't know how all these doo-dads work." At least I hope that doesn't happen. The point is that an organization is still responsible for knowing what its members do when using the organization's resources and an organization has to be open enough that information of this significance can easily be acknowledged and acted upon. Obviously Penn State was setup in a way that both of these qualities were lacking and even worse, they were lacking just for the sake of football. It isn't just irresponsible but it's outright dangerous. These penalties are imposed to show other programs that you can't have a terrible, misguided system in place and just get off scot-free. Hopefully this will encourage people to act appropriately in similar situations in the future.
 
2012-07-25 04:13:52 AM  

stoli n coke: You're not going to get through to hardcore college football fans.


Don't tar all, or even most, hardcore college football fans with that brush. The cult of JoePa is a pretty unique phenomenon. There are few other coaches that have ever held such tenure and power - I can only think of one, Bear Bryant, and Bobbuh if you're feeling generous. That's it. Most other coaches don't have the tenure required to build up that kind of cult, though Saban might be making some progress there (and I'm not saying he's doing it deliberately.)
 
2012-07-25 04:24:44 AM  

doglover: This would be like throwing the man's whole social circle and their families in jail because of what the man, who was already in jail, did fourteen years ago.

None of you care about Grahm Spanier, the other two administrators, or the victims. You just can't stand it that Penn State won football games, now all you can think of is Joe Pa and football. Newsflash assholes, this isn't about football. This is Penn Staters reacting negatively to being demonized for shiat they couldn't have been involved in. 20 kids are gonna lose their scholarships for shiat that happened when they were 5 and 6 years old.

And where are the victims' funds in all this? Where are the people trying to locate and help these kids? Nowhere, because all you want is to destroy. You'd trample the victims to get close enough to huck an egg at a picture of a dead football coach because you're nothing but a blood thirsty mob with.


Don't attempt to be rational when people have their pitchforks. Usually you just end up getting stabbed.
 
2012-07-25 04:27:43 AM  

puffy999: rational


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2012-07-25 04:34:53 AM  

puffy999: doglover: This would be like throwing the man's whole social circle and their families in jail because of what the man, who was already in jail, did fourteen years ago.

None of you care about Grahm Spanier, the other two administrators, or the victims. You just can't stand it that Penn State won football games, now all you can think of is Joe Pa and football. Newsflash assholes, this isn't about football. This is Penn Staters reacting negatively to being demonized for shiat they couldn't have been involved in. 20 kids are gonna lose their scholarships for shiat that happened when they were 5 and 6 years old.

And where are the victims' funds in all this? Where are the people trying to locate and help these kids? Nowhere, because all you want is to destroy. You'd trample the victims to get close enough to huck an egg at a picture of a dead football coach because you're nothing but a blood thirsty mob with.

Don't attempt to be rational when people have their pitchforks. Usually you just end up getting stabbed.


SMU was given a 3 year death penalty because the higher ups knew players were taking money under the table and did nothing.

The higher-ups at Penn State knew one of their coaching staff had commited multiple felonies against children and did nothing for more than a decade.

Through their silence, they showed they lack the integrity to be considered a respected organization.

As for the 10 scholarships (only 10. During SMU's punishment, they weren't allowed to give out ANY athletic scholarships), those players will likely get picked up by another school, even if it is Division II.

Something tells me the 10 kids that will get the boot won't be that high on the depth chart anyway, so a future in the NFL was probably unlikely already.
 
2012-07-25 04:38:40 AM  

heap: doglover: This would be like throwing the man's whole social circle and their families in jail because of what the man, who was already in jail, did fourteen years ago.

None of you care about Grahm Spanier, the other two administrators, or the victims. You just can't stand it that Penn State won football games, now all you can think of is Joe Pa and football. Newsflash assholes, this isn't about football. This is Penn Staters reacting negatively to being demonized for shiat they couldn't have been involved in. 20 kids are gonna lose their scholarships for shiat that happened when they were 5 and 6 years old.

And where are the victims' funds in all this? Where are the people trying to locate and help these kids? Nowhere, because all you want is to destroy. You'd trample the victims to get close enough to huck an egg at a picture of a dead football coach because you're nothing but a blood thirsty mob with.

here you go.

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Yeah. Just do it.
 
2012-07-25 04:41:44 AM  

ongbok: what people cared about was the victims and seeing everybody involved in the rape and coverup brought to justice and punished. You and people like you are the ones that only care about football, the reputation of the school and Joe Pa's name.


Actually, isn't that what this thread is about? The football program and Joe Pa's name? Isn't that who is being punished?

I keep reading doglover's comment and I don't see a vehement defense of Joe Paterno, I see a critical analysis of large groups of people WHO ARE, IN FACT, MORE INTERESTED IN JOE PATERNO THAN THE VICTIMS.

ongbok: If you cared anything about the victims or had any since of justice you would want to see everybody punished


I do. And, I assume based off of his comments, so does doglover.

ongbok: part of that punishment for the school is to have the football program restricted because they put football, money and reputation over the well being of young kids.


"They," of course, being the dead former coach and a bunch of people who either are professionally disgraced, retired, or somehow STILL EMPLOYED BY PENN STATE? For some reason, I think that should be a bigger issue than taking away scholarships. But, as someone who doesn't give a fark about Penn State, and someone who thinks people deserve to be punished for their actions instead of people who are a generation removed from these crimes.
And, as I've said in many, many threads, take everyone in the football program and fire them, and everyone between the President and the head coaching position who has been around since the late 1990s, and force the resignation of the board of directors/trustees for the school. You know, punishment for people who may have been involved.

ongbok: And no dickhole, nobody is demonizing Penn Staters for this, they are demonizing the people at the school who let it happen.


A lot of people are demonizing the school itself, NOT the people who let this happen. Yes, if someone is butthurt because "they" feel offended... well, I agree with you.

ongbok: And no dickhole 20 people aren't losing their scholarships. All of the current scholarship players can either transfer out without penalty, stay and play, or choose not to play and keep their scholarship as long as they meet the academic requirements.


So, the NCAA is going to spread those 20 scholarships out to other member institutions? Ergo, there ARE NOT 20 fewer scholarships offered by division 1 NCAA football teams in the next few years because of this decision?

ongbok: So it is dickholes like you who are trampling the real victims with this false victim hood you have surrounded yourselves with by crying about how the NCAA is ruining your football, ruining the reputation of Penn State and how Joe Pa's name is being smeared just because he let some boys get raped. You all need to get a life and a real self Identity and stop tying your self identity to a pedo enabling school and their football team.


I don't think doglover gives two shiats about Penn State. Frankly, neither do I.

But you sure showed a lot of class, taking everything he said and blowing it so far out of context that it would be like a World War II historian parsing quotes together in order to try to make Hitler look like a Jewish supporter, all the while using the world you learned last week at the Needles Gas & Gulp.
 
2012-07-25 04:42:50 AM  

stoli n coke: SMU was given a 3 year death penalty because the higher ups knew players were taking money under the table and did nothing.

The higher-ups at Penn State knew one of their coaching staff had commited multiple felonies against children and did nothing for more than a decade.

Through their silence, they showed they lack the integrity to be considered a respected organization.

As for the 10 scholarships (only 10. During SMU's punishment, they weren't allowed to give out ANY athletic scholarships), those players will likely get picked up by another school, even if it is Division II.

Something tells me the 10 kids that will get the boot won't be that high on the depth chart anyway, so a future in the NFL was probably unlikely already.


First of all, SMU received a one year death penalty. One. SMU voluntarily cancelled the next season because they basically wouldn't have been able to field a team anyway and they wouldn't have had any home games (away games were allowed.) They returned to playing full seasons in the third year.

Secondly, no one is going to get booted. Current players are allowed to transfer immediately to another school and begin play immediately, even if that school is already at its maximum scholarship limit (though the schools taking them in are allowed only one player each this way.) Furthermore, any Penn State players that wish to continue at Penn State without playing football at all must be allowed to continue there on scholarship. The current players will be fine.
 
2012-07-25 04:43:53 AM  

doglover: jaylectricity: You know, when a father rapes and murders a random young girl we shouldn't put him in prison because his children didn't do anything wrong and you'd be depriving them of a father figure and presumably a male paycheck every week or two into the household.

False metaphor is false.

This would be like throwing the man's whole social circle and their families in jail because of what the man, who was already in jail, did fourteen years ago.

None of you care about Grahm Spanier, the other two administrators, or the victims. You just can't stand it that Penn State won football games, now all you can think of is Joe Pa and football. Newsflash assholes, this isn't about football. This is Penn Staters reacting negatively to being demonized for shiat they couldn't have been involved in. 20 kids are gonna lose their scholarships for shiat that happened when they were 5 and 6 years old.

And where are the victims' funds in all this? Where are the people trying to locate and help these kids? Nowhere, because all you want is to destroy. You'd trample the victims to get close enough to huck an egg at a picture of a dead football coach because you're nothing but a blood thirsty mob with.


You are the problem. You are why these sanctions absolutely had to happen.

The cult must be broken to prevent such atrocities from happening in the future.
 
2012-07-25 04:44:15 AM  

puffy999: people who are a generation removed from these crimes.


And who, pray tell, is that? It's not the current players.
 
2012-07-25 04:45:12 AM  
quick and dirty:

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2012-07-25 05:00:32 AM  

ongbok: That is why you see so many of them and so many alumni going ape shiat over NCAA sanctions and anybody that says anything bad about Joe Pa.


Yep.
 
2012-07-25 05:05:40 AM  
Oh, and the following is a fair, reasonable punishment that would have actually had "the powers that be" pay for their crimes (though only one or two things could be "enforced" by the NCAA itself):

1) Joe Paterno vacates wins from the years when, had the Sandusky thing been handled properly, he would likely have not been at Penn State. This does NOT go as far back as 1998, but I'm thinking around 2003-2005, when he was about as close as ever to being out on his ass coontil the news actually broke).

2) Penn State University's athletic department should have been fined in excess of $100 million, with the school itself being fined ANOTHER $100 million. THIS would have sent a message to other universities that this kind of behavior won't be allowed, and that programs had better come clean when something like this happens. And since there are reasons to believe this went beyond the athletic department, the fines go beyond the athletic department. In reality, this is a far scarier punishment than the loss of 20 scholarships for most programs.

3) Loss of bowl games for 3 seasons, because bowl games are "bonuses" that are offered, not "given." No reduction in scholarships (players weren't involved), and no ban from the BigT1e2n championship game. Hell, if you're going to make someone in a position of power be slightly fearful, force Penn State to hire two or three fewer coaches for each season than the rest of the NCAA.

4) Again, fire EVERYBODY who was involved with the program when Sandusky may have been around, with an emphasis on LEADERSHIP positions. Again, this must go all the way to the leadership of the university itself.

Other options should have been on the table ahead of a reduction in scholarships and the many years of vacated wins; for example, how about the "television ban" that the NCAA would use from time to time? It makes it harder to recruit, but they can still field a full team and compete in a new era.
Hell, since this whole issue is about making "society" feel better (again, this isn't about the victims or the great villains), how about we take away one hallmark of the Penn State football brand itself? Consider changing the Nittany Lions nickname and mascot, but that's just a consideration... FORCE updates to their uniform, though, that takes away the traditional clean blue and white, one of the most recognizable uniforms in the sport. Change the shade of blue for the rest of time (but in a way much more noticeable than what UCLA did a few years ago); worse yet, force them to go with some "electric blue" color or some crap that Nike comes up with, putting a giant fake lion on their helmets, alarm clock numbers (like Oregon), and the whole nine yards. You can't destroy the school or the athletic department (though some want to), but you can at least TRY to take away the imagery that's been associated with that school for the whole of Joe Paterno's career.

Another suggestion that was floated around, which I felt was somewhat intriguing BUT would not punish anyone who was actually involved with the cover up (and would actually provide an unfair advantage to a handful of teams in conference), would be to give a one year ban on Penn State home games (or a restriction on fans allowed in the stadium).
 
2012-07-25 05:09:09 AM  

BigJake: stoli n coke: You're not going to get through to hardcore college football fans.

Don't tar all, or even most, hardcore college football fans with that brush. The cult of JoePa is a pretty unique phenomenon. There are few other coaches that have ever held such tenure and power - I can only think of one, Bear Bryant, and Bobbuh if you're feeling generous. That's it. Most other coaches don't have the tenure required to build up that kind of cult, though Saban might be making some progress there (and I'm not saying he's doing it deliberately.)


Many school programs have a cult following, even if they shuffle coaches around, especially in the south. Alabama, Florida State... many schools in Texas. Most Division I programs have a rabid following among students and alumni, and many of them frequently place athletics above academics. I believe Alabama cancels all Friday classes preceding home football games so people can essentially tailgate all day long. KU students attempted to have classes cancelled the day after the Final Four game, since students would be hungover. Thankfully, the administration wouldn't hear it. However, many other schools would have caved to that pressure.

Also, this phenomenon goes beyond just football. I could see this playing out the same way in the Duke or Kentucky men's basketball programs.

We are at the point where people are choosing the school they want to attend based solely on the reputation of their sports programs. They might as well choose their school based on the hotness of the cheerleaders.

To extend it one step further, people are borrowing out the ass, and mortgaging their futures, to go to expensive schools based solely on their love for sports. This athletic culture is responsible in no small part for many of the problems we have in higher education.
 
2012-07-25 05:12:17 AM  

stoli n coke: SMU was given a 3 year death penalty because the higher ups knew players were taking money under the table and did nothing.


For comparison's sake, let's clearly ignore the difference between molestation and paying players...

But SMU's "higher ups" did not simply know players were taking money, and they did not simply cover it up (even after being sanctioned by the NCAA for the same violations).... THEY WERE MAILING THE CHECKS (in SMU stationary).

On that note, if Jerry Sandusky was holding pervert sex parties with the football coaches and leadership of the athletic department, yeah I would ABSOLUTELY support the idea of the death penalty for a few years.

... Incidentally, I'd NOT be all that surprised to learn that it actually went down that way...
 
2012-07-25 05:15:31 AM  

stoli n coke: puffy999: doglover: This would be like throwing the man's whole social circle and their families in jail because of what the man, who was already in jail, did fourteen years ago.

None of you care about Grahm Spanier, the other two administrators, or the victims. You just can't stand it that Penn State won football games, now all you can think of is Joe Pa and football. Newsflash assholes, this isn't about football. This is Penn Staters reacting negatively to being demonized for shiat they couldn't have been involved in. 20 kids are gonna lose their scholarships for shiat that happened when they were 5 and 6 years old.

And where are the victims' funds in all this? Where are the people trying to locate and help these kids? Nowhere, because all you want is to destroy. You'd trample the victims to get close enough to huck an egg at a picture of a dead football coach because you're nothing but a blood thirsty mob with.

Don't attempt to be rational when people have their pitchforks. Usually you just end up getting stabbed.

SMU was given a 3 year death penalty because the higher ups knew players were taking money under the table and did nothing.

The higher-ups at Penn State knew one of their coaching staff had commited multiple felonies against children and did nothing for more than a decade.

Through their silence, they showed they lack the integrity to be considered a respected organization.

As for the 10 scholarships (only 10. During SMU's punishment, they weren't allowed to give out ANY athletic scholarships), those players will likely get picked up by another school, even if it is Division II.

Something tells me the 10 kids that will get the boot won't be that high on the depth chart anyway, so a future in the NFL was probably unlikely already.


Also, since when did universities exist solely to develop players for professional sports? This hs always offended me. Why are my student fees and tuition dollars going to feed the NFL and NBA with talent?How does that jive with the mission of a university?
 
2012-07-25 05:15:37 AM  
Seriously... I'm actually kind-of creeped by that idea, because it would explain why they went to such lengths to cover this and why an early investigator (what, deputy DA?) would disappear after trying to destroy his hard drive.

Damnit I need to stop working around a conspiracy nut.
 
2012-07-25 05:15:44 AM  

dave2198: To extend it one step further, people are borrowing out the ass, and mortgaging their futures, to go to expensive schools based solely on their love for sports.


Precious few of those schools are expensive, at least relatively speaking (Duke is, USC is, but there are few private schools in those ranks.)

dave2198: This athletic culture is responsible in no small part for many of the problems we have in higher education.


That is flatly nonsense. Even at football factories the football programs' revenues are a VERY small slice of those institutions' budgets and personnel, and at those same schools, rarely if ever a net drain.
 
2012-07-25 05:17:24 AM  

dave2198: Also, since when did universities exist solely to develop players for professional sports?


lmao
 
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