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2012-07-24 05:54:25 PM
This reminds me of the reactions of members of cults after their leader is discovered to be farking a goat or something.
 
2012-07-24 06:08:18 PM
Unbelievable. These sports nuts are wacko.
 
2012-07-24 06:27:50 PM
Next week, "It was our Holocaust! I saw ovens glowing."

You're not helping, Tom Price.
 
2012-07-24 06:35:42 PM
If it affects you that much, I suggest you end it all now

/it's not going to get better, and you seem to be incapable of getting over it
 
2012-07-24 07:03:44 PM

WhoIsWillo: This reminds me of the reactions of members of cults after their leader is discovered to be farking a goat or something.


Yup. The more the alumni hyperventilate and scream, the more they prove why the sanctions were necessary.
 
2012-07-24 08:51:06 PM
"No, it's more like your televised R. Budd Dwyer suicide"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
 
2012-07-24 10:14:08 PM
History shows again and again how well mob "justice" works.
 
2012-07-24 10:15:37 PM
shouldn't 9/11 have been their 9/11?
 
2012-07-24 10:21:00 PM

thomps: shouldn't 9/11 have been their 9/11?


Forget it, he's rolling.
 
2012-07-24 10:33:30 PM
Penn State should thank the NCAA every day for five years for the privilege of getting to play football again. Because it's not something they deserve.
 
2012-07-24 10:42:04 PM
Penn State must be wanting to get all of it's spokespersons on Medicare Disability. It's the only explanation for how they keep shootign themselves in the foot this way.
 
2012-07-24 10:47:28 PM
perhaps we could come up with a Nittany Comet that JoePa is hiding his space ship in, distribute nikeys and purple blankies to the faithful, and let this sort itself out.
 
2012-07-24 10:49:36 PM

heap: perhaps we could come up with a Nittany Comet that JoePa is hiding his space ship in, distribute nikeys and purple blankies to the faithful, and let this sort itself out.


Well, Nike changed their slogan after that to, "Maybe you should think about it." Maybe Penn State can change theirs as well.
 
2012-07-24 10:59:06 PM
"Remember the tsunami? This is like that, only worse. And without water."
 
2012-07-24 11:12:58 PM
You know, when a father rapes and murders a random young girl we shouldn't put him in prison because his children didn't do anything wrong and you'd be depriving them of a father figure and presumably a male paycheck every week or two into the household.
 
2012-07-24 11:17:07 PM

Lsherm: "Remember the tsunami? This is like that, only worse. And without water."


And the whole earthquake/nuclear meltdown thing

/but other than that, TOTALLY LIKE THAT!
 
2012-07-24 11:35:39 PM

jaylectricity: You know, when a father rapes and murders a random young girl we shouldn't put him in prison because his children didn't do anything wrong and you'd be depriving them of a father figure and presumably a male paycheck every week or two into the household.


False metaphor is false.

This would be like throwing the man's whole social circle and their families in jail because of what the man, who was already in jail, did fourteen years ago.

None of you care about Grahm Spanier, the other two administrators, or the victims. You just can't stand it that Penn State won football games, now all you can think of is Joe Pa and football. Newsflash assholes, this isn't about football. This is Penn Staters reacting negatively to being demonized for shiat they couldn't have been involved in. 20 kids are gonna lose their scholarships for shiat that happened when they were 5 and 6 years old.

And where are the victims' funds in all this? Where are the people trying to locate and help these kids? Nowhere, because all you want is to destroy. You'd trample the victims to get close enough to huck an egg at a picture of a dead football coach because you're nothing but a blood thirsty mob with.
 
2012-07-24 11:38:12 PM
I'm not going to fall into the trap of saying this is how every Penn St. alum and fan feels or would express themselves.

I will just say that this guy is a total dick.
 
2012-07-24 11:38:36 PM

doglover: jaylectricity: You know, when a father rapes and murders a random young girl we shouldn't put him in prison because his children didn't do anything wrong and you'd be depriving them of a father figure and presumably a male paycheck every week or two into the household.

False metaphor is false.

This would be like throwing the man's whole social circle and their families in jail because of what the man, who was already in jail, did fourteen years ago.

None of you care about Grahm Spanier, the other two administrators, or the victims. You just can't stand it that Penn State won football games, now all you can think of is Joe Pa and football. Newsflash assholes, this isn't about football. This is Penn Staters reacting negatively to being demonized for shiat they couldn't have been involved in. 20 kids are gonna lose their scholarships for shiat that happened when they were 5 and 6 years old.

And where are the victims' funds in all this? Where are the people trying to locate and help these kids? Nowhere, because all you want is to destroy. You'd trample the victims to get close enough to huck an egg at a picture of a dead football coach because you're nothing but a blood thirsty mob with.


No, we just hate you because you're prettier than us,
 
2012-07-24 11:40:02 PM

doglover: This would be like throwing the man's whole social circle and their families in jail because of what the man, who was already in jail, did fourteen years ago.

None of you care about Grahm Spanier, the other two administrators, or the victims. You just can't stand it that Penn State won football games, now all you can think of is Joe Pa and football. Newsflash assholes, this isn't about football. This is Penn Staters reacting negatively to being demonized for shiat they couldn't have been involved in. 20 kids are gonna lose their scholarships for shiat that happened when they were 5 and 6 years old.

And where are the victims' funds in all this? Where are the people trying to locate and help these kids? Nowhere, because all you want is to destroy. You'd trample the victims to get close enough to huck an egg at a picture of a dead football coach because you're nothing but a blood thirsty mob with.


here you go.

www.picnic-basket.com
www.hypemaniac.com
 
2012-07-24 11:40:17 PM
The NCAA is Hitler making this is Penn State's holocaust.
 
2012-07-24 11:40:37 PM
And this guy should have kept it much more current and said something like "It's like someone just came in and started shooting at everyone at Penn State".
 
2012-07-24 11:42:26 PM

Krymson Tyde: The NCAA is Hitler making this is Penn State's holocaust.


That post was my Pricipal . Caught sayof
 
2012-07-24 11:45:46 PM

doglover: jaylectricity: You know, when a father rapes and murders a random young girl we shouldn't put him in prison because his children didn't do anything wrong and you'd be depriving them of a father figure and presumably a male paycheck every week or two into the household.

False metaphor is false.

This would be like throwing the man's whole social circle and their families in jail because of what the man, who was already in jail, did fourteen years ago.

None of you care about Grahm Spanier, the other two administrators, or the victims. You just can't stand it that Penn State won football games, now all you can think of is Joe Pa and football. Newsflash assholes, this isn't about football. This is Penn Staters reacting negatively to being demonized for shiat they couldn't have been involved in. 20 kids are gonna lose their scholarships for shiat that happened when they were 5 and 6 years old.

And where are the victims' funds in all this? Where are the people trying to locate and help these kids? Nowhere, because all you want is to destroy. You'd trample the victims to get close enough to huck an egg at a picture of a dead football coach because you're nothing but a blood thirsty mob with.


Paterno made this about football when he decided that not reporting Sandusky protected the program.

Or are you saying Paterno was an idiot for thinking this had anything to do with football? You don't seem to have much respect for the man's intellect if you think it's so farking obvious unrelated any moron, other than JoePa, could tell it had nothing to do with football.
 
2012-07-24 11:46:30 PM

doglover:
And where are the victims' funds in all this? Where are the people trying to locate and help these kids? Nowhere, because all you want is to destroy. You'd trample the victims to get close enough to huck an egg at a picture of a dead football coach because you're nothing but a blood thirsty mob with.


It's not the mob you should be worried about. It's litigation that you should be terrified of. Bloodthirsty mobs pale in comparison to money-hungry litigators.

/Does Title IX work in reverse?
 
2012-07-24 11:53:26 PM

WhoIsWillo: This reminds me of the reactions of members of cults after their leader is discovered to be farking a goat or something.


But that's a holy sacrament!
 
2012-07-25 12:04:31 AM

doglover: jaylectricity: You know, when a father rapes and murders a random young girl we shouldn't put him in prison because his children didn't do anything wrong and you'd be depriving them of a father figure and presumably a male paycheck every week or two into the household.

False metaphor is false.

This would be like throwing the man's whole social circle and their families in jail because of what the man, who was already in jail, did fourteen years ago.

None of you care about Grahm Spanier, the other two administrators, or the victims. You just can't stand it that Penn State won football games, now all you can think of is Joe Pa and football. Newsflash assholes, this isn't about football. This is Penn Staters reacting negatively to being demonized for shiat they couldn't have been involved in. 20 kids are gonna lose their scholarships for shiat that happened when they were 5 and 6 years old.

And where are the victims' funds in all this? Where are the people trying to locate and help these kids? Nowhere, because all you want is to destroy. You'd trample the victims to get close enough to huck an egg at a picture of a dead football coach because you're nothing but a blood thirsty mob with.


you know, the NCAA sanctions really weren't all THAT bad. PSU football will eventually recover.
 
2012-07-25 12:11:51 AM
The NCAA is Governor Tarkin and we're Alderaan.
 
2012-07-25 12:19:45 AM
www.bitlogic.com
 
2012-07-25 12:24:17 AM
As I have repeatedly said all up and down the Intarwebs, I am fine with everything except handing that a-hole in Tallahassee the Div. I wins record.
 
2012-07-25 12:29:39 AM

vygramul: Paterno made this about football when he decided that not reporting Sandusky protected the program.


Weaver95: you know, the NCAA sanctions really weren't all THAT bad. PSU football will eventually recover.


Troll feeding, or do y'all just like to argue?

/hope the NCAA's happy with their 30 pieces of silver
 
2012-07-25 12:33:43 AM
Oh....dear.
 
2012-07-25 12:37:50 AM

AliceBToklasLives: vygramul: Paterno made this about football when he decided that not reporting Sandusky protected the program.

Weaver95: you know, the NCAA sanctions really weren't all THAT bad. PSU football will eventually recover.

Troll feeding, or do y'all just like to argue?

/hope the NCAA's happy with their 30 pieces of silver


nah, merely fascinated by the reactions of the pro-penn state crowd.
 
2012-07-25 12:38:40 AM
Jerry Sandusky threatened to rape JoePa if he squealed to the cops.

Paterno's hands were tied. The truth will come out.
 
2012-07-25 12:40:01 AM
OK, dude, using rape metaphors to describe the slap on the wrist they got for sheltering a child rapist is pretty darned egregious. But using a 9/11 metaphor may actually top that.
 
2012-07-25 12:41:23 AM

heap: doglover: This would be like throwing the man's whole social circle and their families in jail because of what the man, who was already in jail, did fourteen years ago.

None of you care about Grahm Spanier, the other two administrators, or the victims. You just can't stand it that Penn State won football games, now all you can think of is Joe Pa and football. Newsflash assholes, this isn't about football. This is Penn Staters reacting negatively to being demonized for shiat they couldn't have been involved in. 20 kids are gonna lose their scholarships for shiat that happened when they were 5 and 6 years old.

And where are the victims' funds in all this? Where are the people trying to locate and help these kids? Nowhere, because all you want is to destroy. You'd trample the victims to get close enough to huck an egg at a picture of a dead football coach because you're nothing but a blood thirsty mob with.

here you go.

[www.picnic-basket.com image 700x700]
[www.hypemaniac.com image 550x340]


WHERE'S MY PERCOCET PUDDIN'!? Actually, a pint o'percocet poisoned Peachy Paterno ice cream from the Creamery would be more apt for the Hale Bopp joke.

If you're gonna try and be an asshole, at least learn enough about the situation to make a good joke. You think it was mistake that Howard Stern kept saying "Pennsylvania" when he, as the boss, cut checks to his employees to go specifically to New Jersey to get sound bytes for the morning show? You think his staff pulled the wrong theme song on a lark? No. They found out about bronies and did a lot of work to get 8 minutes of radio that was maximally offensive to generate ratings from them. He does this with ALL of his bits. That's why he's been in broadcasting for decades. You need good deets to troll well.

phillysportslive.com

Here. Shop some pills into this, and replace the nike shoes and your Hale Bopp joke works. Stay safe under bridge, my friend.
 
2012-07-25 12:43:18 AM

doglover:
Here. Shop some pills into this, and replace the nike shoes and your Hale Bopp joke works. Stay safe under bridge, my friend.


your delusion is tasty and fat free.

please, continue.
 
2012-07-25 12:43:30 AM

mc_madness: Jerry Sandusky threatened to rape JoePa if he squealed to the cops.

Paterno's hands were tied. The truth will come out.


And on today's episode of Fanfiction that was Not Meant to Be...
 
2012-07-25 12:44:55 AM
The most important question I've not seen addressed: Although he died in 1983, does all this raise Bear Bryant's stature any?

/not serious
//but sort of
 
2012-07-25 12:46:07 AM
I wonder if the State government will hit PSU with Cleary act violations....? it'll probably be weeks until we know how that turns out though.
 
2012-07-25 12:49:33 AM
Boy, NCAA, sure sounds like that creepy-ass Penn State University culture of overvaluing football is changing, huh? What an unforeseen occurrence? They're circling the wagons, doubling down on the retardation, and making it into an us-against-the-world narrative! People said that taking away Paterno's wins on paper did not accomplish anything but we know differently, huh NCAA?
 
2012-07-25 12:50:47 AM

ceebeecates4: doglover:
And where are the victims' funds in all this? Where are the people trying to locate and help these kids? Nowhere, because all you want is to destroy. You'd trample the victims to get close enough to huck an egg at a picture of a dead football coach because you're nothing but a blood thirsty mob with.

It's not the mob you should be worried about. It's litigation that you should be terrified of. Bloodthirsty mobs pale in comparison to money-hungry litigators.

/Does Title IX work in reverse?


What if Title IX goes to XI?
 
2012-07-25 12:52:57 AM

Owangotang: Boy, NCAA, sure sounds like that creepy-ass Penn State University culture of overvaluing football is changing, huh? What an unforeseen occurrence? They're circling the wagons, doubling down on the retardation, and making it into an us-against-the-world narrative! People said that taking away Paterno's wins on paper did not accomplish anything but we know differently, huh NCAA?


you MIGHT want to give it a bit more time to work....
 
kab
2012-07-25 12:53:36 AM
I too, think that the loss of grown men in tights throwing a leather ball around is totally like close to 3000 people dying in a terrorist attack.

totally.
 
2012-07-25 12:54:48 AM

doglover: jaylectricity: You know, when a father rapes and murders a random young girl we shouldn't put him in prison because his children didn't do anything wrong and you'd be depriving them of a father figure and presumably a male paycheck every week or two into the household.

False metaphor is false.

This would be like throwing the man's whole social circle and their families in jail because of what the man, who was already in jail, did fourteen years ago.

None of you care about Grahm Spanier, the other two administrators, or the victims. You just can't stand it that Penn State won football games, now all you can think of is Joe Pa and football. Newsflash assholes, this isn't about football. This is Penn Staters reacting negatively to being demonized for shiat they couldn't have been involved in. 20 kids are gonna lose their scholarships for shiat that happened when they were 5 and 6 years old.

And where are the victims' funds in all this? Where are the people trying to locate and help these kids? Nowhere, because all you want is to destroy. You'd trample the victims to get close enough to huck an egg at a picture of a dead football coach because you're nothing but a blood thirsty mob with.


No you farking dick hole nobody gives a fark about whether or not Penn State won football games, what people cared about was the victims and seeing everybody involved in the rape and coverup brought to justice and punished. You and people like you are the ones that only care about football, the reputation of the school and Joe Pa's name. If you cared anything about the victims or had any since of justice you would want to see everybody punished and part of that punishment for the school is to have the football program restricted because they put football, money and reputation over the well being of young kids.

And no dickhole, nobody is demonizing Penn Staters for this, they are demonizing the people at the school who let it happen. And if any Penn stater is feeling demonized by the NCAA's decision they should really sit back and take inventory of their lives and stop acting like a victim.

And no dickhole 20 people aren't losing their scholarships. All of the current scholarship players can either transfer out without penalty, stay and play, or choose not to play and keep their scholarship as long as they meet the academic requirements.

So it is dickholes like you who are trampling the real victims with this false victim hood you have surrounded yourselves with by crying about how the NCAA is ruining your football, ruining the reputation of Penn State and how Joe Pa's name is being smeared just because he let some boys get raped. You all need to get a life and a real self Identity and stop tying your self identity to a pedo enabling school and their football team.
 
2012-07-25 12:56:39 AM
Well there probably are quite a few people that wish Sandusky had needed to leap to his death from a burning highrise in 2001.....It wouldn't have prevented everything he did, but it would have made a dent.
 
2012-07-25 12:57:47 AM
"They ask me what I'd like written about me when I'm gone. I hope they write I made Penn State a better place, not just that I was a good football coach."
--Joe Paterno

Yeah, about that...
 
2012-07-25 01:01:23 AM

Owangotang: Boy, NCAA, sure sounds like that creepy-ass Penn State University culture of overvaluing football is changing, huh? What an unforeseen occurrence? They're circling the wagons, doubling down on the retardation, and making it into an us-against-the-world narrative! People said that taking away Paterno's wins on paper did not accomplish anything but we know differently, huh NCAA?


Do you think that after all of this that if somebody tells the next head coach about child rape in the showers he is going to decide to sweep it under the rug because it might hurt the football team? I think we can guarantee that is one thing that will never happen again at Penn State.
 
2012-07-25 01:04:55 AM

Godscrack: Unbelievable. These sports nuts are wacko.


It's almost as if they are fanatics or something.
 
2012-07-25 01:07:12 AM

Weaver95: Owangotang: Boy, NCAA, sure sounds like that creepy-ass Penn State University culture of overvaluing football is changing, huh? What an unforeseen occurrence? They're circling the wagons, doubling down on the retardation, and making it into an us-against-the-world narrative! People said that taking away Paterno's wins on paper did not accomplish anything but we know differently, huh NCAA?

you MIGHT want to give it a bit more time to work....


What's the point? Do you really think at some time in the future that this sort of thing will stop there? They still get to have their football! All they lose, and only temporarily, is the quality of play. Take away the program for a few years and they would have been forced to do something else.

It's just f*cking scummy and creepy. And no, I don't particularly think that Penn State would never let something like this happen again because the mechanism that led to it in the first place still exists.
 
2012-07-25 01:08:43 AM

doglover: History shows again and again how well mob "justice" works.


You keep using that phrase as if you know what it means.
 
2012-07-25 01:09:16 AM

Owangotang: Weaver95: Owangotang: Boy, NCAA, sure sounds like that creepy-ass Penn State University culture of overvaluing football is changing, huh? What an unforeseen occurrence? They're circling the wagons, doubling down on the retardation, and making it into an us-against-the-world narrative! People said that taking away Paterno's wins on paper did not accomplish anything but we know differently, huh NCAA?

you MIGHT want to give it a bit more time to work....

What's the point? Do you really think at some time in the future that this sort of thing will stop there? They still get to have their football! All they lose, and only temporarily, is the quality of play. Take away the program for a few years and they would have been forced to do something else.

It's just f*cking scummy and creepy. And no, I don't particularly think that Penn State would never let something like this happen again because the mechanism that led to it in the first place still exists.


And it hasn't even been a week yet....
 
2012-07-25 01:10:18 AM

PowerSlacker: doglover: History shows again and again how well mob "justice" works.

You keep using that phrase as if you know what it means.


I guess he feels that if he keeps repeating the lie it'll somehow become true.
 
2012-07-25 01:12:28 AM

doglover: This is Penn Staters reacting negatively to being demonized for shiat they couldn't have been involved in.



Learn to keep your house clean. Plenty of people got bombed in Baghdad that never worked for Sadaam.
 
2012-07-25 01:15:08 AM

Owangotang: They're circling the wagons, doubling down on the retardation, and making it into an us-against-the-world narrative!


Great, gives me another reason to watch college ball - a great Saturday would be PSU and Notre Dame both going down hard, but not on little boys.
 
2012-07-25 01:16:22 AM
They see planes crashing into towers but no one saw fit to report old man cock crashing into prepubescent boy sphincter.

It's your right to lack perspective and be stupid, but I wish you had the good sense to not go on the record.
 
2012-07-25 01:19:17 AM

Captain_Ballbeard: doglover: This is Penn Staters reacting negatively to being demonized for shiat they couldn't have been involved in.


Learn to keep your house clean. Plenty of people got bombed in Baghdad that never worked for Sadaam.


the aspect that gets me is the 'woooh, think of the innocents!' proclamations - did anybody really lash their backs and decry the horror of the 30 deserving student athletes that will be deprived their birthright because of a punishment USC received as an institution?

and this was over reggie bush getting monetary gain he wasn't supposed to - not hiding shower room rape, for chrissakes. yet in this instance, the very idea of punishing the institution for it's institutional failures is tantamount to mob justice.
 
2012-07-25 01:23:30 AM

Weaver95: Owangotang: Weaver95: Owangotang: Boy, NCAA, sure sounds like that creepy-ass Penn State University culture of overvaluing football is changing, huh? What an unforeseen occurrence? They're circling the wagons, doubling down on the retardation, and making it into an us-against-the-world narrative! People said that taking away Paterno's wins on paper did not accomplish anything but we know differently, huh NCAA?

you MIGHT want to give it a bit more time to work....

What's the point? Do you really think at some time in the future that this sort of thing will stop there? They still get to have their football! All they lose, and only temporarily, is the quality of play. Take away the program for a few years and they would have been forced to do something else.

It's just f*cking scummy and creepy. And no, I don't particularly think that Penn State would never let something like this happen again because the mechanism that led to it in the first place still exists.

And it hasn't even been a week yet....


Just wait until the season starts.

The crazy thing is that if Penn State and Joe Pa would have handled this the correct way from the start and turned Sandusky in, Penn State and Joe Pa would have been elevated as an institute of integrity even more than they already were. I'm talking almost god like stature. When McQuery came to Joe Pa and told him what he saw, if Joe Pa would have said "Not on my watch", and took McQuery to the police station right then and there, that statue of him would not only be still up, it would be 20 feet high, made of platinum and encrusted with the rarest of jewels.

Now there would have been a small scandal, and more than likely some money paid out to the victims, but when the smoke cleared the school and Joe Pa would have been universally praised for putting the welfare of kids over reputation, profits and football. And also there would not have been any NCAA sanctions, instead anytime the team was talked about, it would either also be talked about or on people's minds how they put the safety of kids over all else even though it was at a great potential detriment to them. But instead they decided to go with a criminal coverup and now whenever Penn state football is talked about in the near future this will be on peoples minds.
 
2012-07-25 01:28:41 AM

ongbok: Weaver95: Owangotang: Weaver95: Owangotang: Boy, NCAA, sure sounds like that creepy-ass Penn State University culture of overvaluing football is changing, huh? What an unforeseen occurrence? They're circling the wagons, doubling down on the retardation, and making it into an us-against-the-world narrative! People said that taking away Paterno's wins on paper did not accomplish anything but we know differently, huh NCAA?

you MIGHT want to give it a bit more time to work....

What's the point? Do you really think at some time in the future that this sort of thing will stop there? They still get to have their football! All they lose, and only temporarily, is the quality of play. Take away the program for a few years and they would have been forced to do something else.

It's just f*cking scummy and creepy. And no, I don't particularly think that Penn State would never let something like this happen again because the mechanism that led to it in the first place still exists.

And it hasn't even been a week yet....

Just wait until the season starts.

The crazy thing is that if Penn State and Joe Pa would have handled this the correct way from the start and turned Sandusky in, Penn State and Joe Pa would have been elevated as an institute of integrity even more than they already were. I'm talking almost god like stature. When McQuery came to Joe Pa and told him what he saw, if Joe Pa would have said "Not on my watch", and took McQuery to the police station right then and there, that statue of him would not only be still up, it would be 20 feet high, made of platinum and encrusted with the rarest of jewels.

Now there would have been a small scandal, and more than likely some money paid out to the victims, but when the smoke cleared the school and Joe Pa would have been universally praised for putting the welfare of kids over reputation, profits and football. And also there would not have been any NCAA sanctions, instead anytime the team was talked about, it would either also be talked about or on people's minds how they put the safety of kids over all else even though it was at a great potential detriment to them. But instead they decided to go with a criminal coverup and now whenever Penn state football is talked about in the near future this will be on peoples minds.


It's almost as if I read the exact same thing before...
 
2012-07-25 01:28:56 AM
Imagine being a senior about to graduate with a degree from there. I'd be running as far away from that place as possible.

If the DoE drops the hammer, I'd like to see them offer regular undergrads/grad students the option to transfer and have their scholarships/grants continue to be honored. A degree from there might as well say "University of Phoenix" at this point.
 
2012-07-25 01:46:35 AM
Like they mentioned on Outside the Lines, someone at Penn State yesterday said it was the darkest day in Penn State history. No, those days on which those boys were raped were darker, the days when Paterno and others decided to cover things up, were darker.
 
2012-07-25 01:48:49 AM
Am I right in thinking that Frank Beamer is NCAA FBS's winningest active coach? And he'd need like 50 wins to pass JoePa in official wins?
 
2012-07-25 01:55:22 AM

doglover: 20 kids are gonna lose their scholarships for shiat that happened when they were 5 and 6 years old.


Um, not really. Other colleges will step up if the kids are decent and looking to leave. With scholarships. Michigan already has.
 
2012-07-25 01:56:08 AM
I have some family that won't STFU about this. "Oh it's just so unfair!" "Why punish the kids now for crimes committed over a decade ago?" "ESPN, stop coercing our players to transfer!"

GFY. Seriously. I've had enough of your selfishness. Worrying about your goddamned football program is what got you in this mess in the first place. STFU.
 
2012-07-25 02:06:42 AM

WhyteRaven74: Like they mentioned on Outside the Lines, someone at Penn State yesterday said it was the darkest day in Penn State history. No, those days on which those boys were raped were darker, the days when Paterno and others decided to cover things up, were darker.


They will never understand. Dead-ender U.
 
2012-07-25 02:14:49 AM

WhyteRaven74: Like they mentioned on Outside the Lines, someone at Penn State yesterday said it was the darkest day in Penn State history. No, those days on which those boys were raped were darker, the days when Paterno and others decided to cover things up, were darker.


That was Mark Emmert.
He basically said, "There's no way this is the darkest day for PSU. The darkest day for PSU is the day children were molested. The day their assistant coach was convicted of 45 counts of molestation/rape. The day the Freeh report came out and everyone realized that their idol was a child rapist enabler."
That's paraphrasing.
 
2012-07-25 02:15:30 AM
I'm going to believe that in the future he will reflect on that statement and regret it, because I want to have faith in humanity.
 
2012-07-25 02:17:41 AM
if the penn state fans would just agree that it was a morally apprehensive thing of JoePa to do.... and admit the heads of their school farked up.... i think we could get over it.

but the PSU fans just keep insisting on saying that nothing was done wrong. it boggles my mind.
 
2012-07-25 02:20:10 AM

uofacats2004: That was Mark Emmert.


Yep.
 
2012-07-25 02:26:19 AM

uofacats2004: but the PSU fans just keep insisting on saying that nothing was done wrong. it boggles my mind.


And they keep trying to make it just about Sandusky, like it was him alone.
 
2012-07-25 02:26:39 AM

doglover: You just can't stand it that Penn State won football games, now all you can think of is Joe Pa and football.


I don't follow college football. I can't name even one kid out of Penn State that plays in the NFL.
 
2012-07-25 02:28:31 AM
They haven't started talking about renaming State College as "Paternotown" have they? No large orders of Flavor Aid?
 
2012-07-25 02:30:14 AM

doglover: You just can't stand it that Penn State won football games


This non-fan of sports who stuck his head inside the Fark Sports tab out of morbid curiosity is shocked at the behavior of Penn State fans.
 
2012-07-25 02:35:36 AM

jaylectricity: I can't name even one kid out of Penn State that plays in the NFL.


There's actually about 3 dozen, funny enough the best known one is a kicker, Robbie Gould of the Chicago Bears.

doglover: . You just can't stand it that Penn State won football games


As someone who went to Wisconsin, allow me say, bwahahahahahahahhahahahahaha yeah, no.
 
2012-07-25 03:11:16 AM
At first, I had a "lynch 'em all" mentality, so to speak. But then I heard a radio interview with someone from Penn State, and what they said was enough to give me pause. The point was:

Universities don't molest kids - people do.
Universities don't cover up crimes - people do.

Don't punish the University - punish the people involved. All of them. But let those who had nothing to do with the crimes retain all of the opportunities college and football has to offer....


I don't have a strong opinion one way or another, but I certainly understand the frustration coming from Penn State students and faculty who have done nothing wrong but are left holding the check.
 
2012-07-25 03:11:23 AM

BronyMedic: Penn State must be wanting to get all of it's spokespersons on Medicare Disability. It's the only explanation for how they keep shootign themselves in the foot this way.


Plus, if I read the punishments right, the NCAA didn't tell Penn Staters they had to STOP molesting children. So they've got that going for them.
 
2012-07-25 03:17:44 AM

stoli n coke: BronyMedic: Penn State must be wanting to get all of it's spokespersons on Medicare Disability. It's the only explanation for how they keep shootign themselves in the foot this way.

Plus, if I read the punishments right, the NCAA didn't tell Penn Staters they had to STOP molesting children. So they've got that going for them.


Somebody commented in another Fark thread that the NCAA had no business getting involved because there was no NCAA rule against what Penn State did. My only response was, do you really need a rule to tell you that you can't cover up child rape?

Sadly that is an argument a lot of Penn State apologist are going with.
 
2012-07-25 03:20:44 AM

miltonbabbitt: , but I certainly understand the frustration coming from Penn State students and faculty who have done nothing wrong but are left holding the check.


The faculty, at least from what's gone around, have no problem with things. It's the students who are off the deep end.
 
2012-07-25 03:28:31 AM

WhyteRaven74: miltonbabbitt: , but I certainly understand the frustration coming from Penn State students and faculty who have done nothing wrong but are left holding the check.

The faculty, at least from what's gone around, have no problem with things. It's the students who are off the deep end.


It is because for the most part the faculty didn't come to Penn State for the football team. It is the students by a large percentage who came partly to have their identity forever defined by the football team and to live vicariously through the football team. That is why you see so many of them and so many alumni going ape shiat over NCAA sanctions and anybody that says anything bad about Joe Pa.
 
2012-07-25 03:38:47 AM

ongbok: stoli n coke: BronyMedic: Penn State must be wanting to get all of it's spokespersons on Medicare Disability. It's the only explanation for how they keep shootign themselves in the foot this way.

Plus, if I read the punishments right, the NCAA didn't tell Penn Staters they had to STOP molesting children. So they've got that going for them.

Somebody commented in another Fark thread that the NCAA had no business getting involved because there was no NCAA rule against what Penn State did. My only response was, do you really need a rule to tell you that you can't cover up child rape?

Sadly that is an argument a lot of Penn State apologist are going with.


You're not going to get through to hardcore college football fans. They are the worst kind of jocksniffers out there.
Makes me kind of glad the teams for the colleges I went to sucked. There was no hero worship of the athletic departments.
 
2012-07-25 03:39:09 AM

WhoIsWillo: Penn State should thank the NCAA every day for five years for the privilege of getting to play football again. Because it's not something they deserve


Money protects money....always.
 
2012-07-25 04:07:10 AM

miltonbabbitt: At first, I had a "lynch 'em all" mentality, so to speak. But then I heard a radio interview with someone from Penn State, and what they said was enough to give me pause. The point was:

Universities don't molest kids - people do.
Universities don't cover up crimes - people do.

Don't punish the University - punish the people involved. All of them. But let those who had nothing to do with the crimes retain all of the opportunities college and football has to offer....

I don't have a strong opinion one way or another, but I certainly understand the frustration coming from Penn State students and faculty who have done nothing wrong but are left holding the check.


I can understand that view. But the problem is that the university gave the football program an excessive amount of control over its own affairs. It failed to promote an environment where sport was secondary to morals, ethics, and the rule of law. That's why people describe this as an "institutional failure." Say a car company produces and sells a car that's a complete deathtrap. When people start burning to death in them the management can't fire the engineers and say, "You can't sue us. The engineers actually made the car. Not the company. They knew it was a death trap. How were we suppose to know? We're just management. We don't know how all these doo-dads work." At least I hope that doesn't happen. The point is that an organization is still responsible for knowing what its members do when using the organization's resources and an organization has to be open enough that information of this significance can easily be acknowledged and acted upon. Obviously Penn State was setup in a way that both of these qualities were lacking and even worse, they were lacking just for the sake of football. It isn't just irresponsible but it's outright dangerous. These penalties are imposed to show other programs that you can't have a terrible, misguided system in place and just get off scot-free. Hopefully this will encourage people to act appropriately in similar situations in the future.
 
2012-07-25 04:13:52 AM

stoli n coke: You're not going to get through to hardcore college football fans.


Don't tar all, or even most, hardcore college football fans with that brush. The cult of JoePa is a pretty unique phenomenon. There are few other coaches that have ever held such tenure and power - I can only think of one, Bear Bryant, and Bobbuh if you're feeling generous. That's it. Most other coaches don't have the tenure required to build up that kind of cult, though Saban might be making some progress there (and I'm not saying he's doing it deliberately.)
 
2012-07-25 04:24:44 AM

doglover: This would be like throwing the man's whole social circle and their families in jail because of what the man, who was already in jail, did fourteen years ago.

None of you care about Grahm Spanier, the other two administrators, or the victims. You just can't stand it that Penn State won football games, now all you can think of is Joe Pa and football. Newsflash assholes, this isn't about football. This is Penn Staters reacting negatively to being demonized for shiat they couldn't have been involved in. 20 kids are gonna lose their scholarships for shiat that happened when they were 5 and 6 years old.

And where are the victims' funds in all this? Where are the people trying to locate and help these kids? Nowhere, because all you want is to destroy. You'd trample the victims to get close enough to huck an egg at a picture of a dead football coach because you're nothing but a blood thirsty mob with.


Don't attempt to be rational when people have their pitchforks. Usually you just end up getting stabbed.
 
2012-07-25 04:27:43 AM

puffy999: rational


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2012-07-25 04:34:53 AM

puffy999: doglover: This would be like throwing the man's whole social circle and their families in jail because of what the man, who was already in jail, did fourteen years ago.

None of you care about Grahm Spanier, the other two administrators, or the victims. You just can't stand it that Penn State won football games, now all you can think of is Joe Pa and football. Newsflash assholes, this isn't about football. This is Penn Staters reacting negatively to being demonized for shiat they couldn't have been involved in. 20 kids are gonna lose their scholarships for shiat that happened when they were 5 and 6 years old.

And where are the victims' funds in all this? Where are the people trying to locate and help these kids? Nowhere, because all you want is to destroy. You'd trample the victims to get close enough to huck an egg at a picture of a dead football coach because you're nothing but a blood thirsty mob with.

Don't attempt to be rational when people have their pitchforks. Usually you just end up getting stabbed.


SMU was given a 3 year death penalty because the higher ups knew players were taking money under the table and did nothing.

The higher-ups at Penn State knew one of their coaching staff had commited multiple felonies against children and did nothing for more than a decade.

Through their silence, they showed they lack the integrity to be considered a respected organization.

As for the 10 scholarships (only 10. During SMU's punishment, they weren't allowed to give out ANY athletic scholarships), those players will likely get picked up by another school, even if it is Division II.

Something tells me the 10 kids that will get the boot won't be that high on the depth chart anyway, so a future in the NFL was probably unlikely already.
 
2012-07-25 04:38:40 AM

heap: doglover: This would be like throwing the man's whole social circle and their families in jail because of what the man, who was already in jail, did fourteen years ago.

None of you care about Grahm Spanier, the other two administrators, or the victims. You just can't stand it that Penn State won football games, now all you can think of is Joe Pa and football. Newsflash assholes, this isn't about football. This is Penn Staters reacting negatively to being demonized for shiat they couldn't have been involved in. 20 kids are gonna lose their scholarships for shiat that happened when they were 5 and 6 years old.

And where are the victims' funds in all this? Where are the people trying to locate and help these kids? Nowhere, because all you want is to destroy. You'd trample the victims to get close enough to huck an egg at a picture of a dead football coach because you're nothing but a blood thirsty mob with.

here you go.

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Yeah. Just do it.
 
2012-07-25 04:41:44 AM

ongbok: what people cared about was the victims and seeing everybody involved in the rape and coverup brought to justice and punished. You and people like you are the ones that only care about football, the reputation of the school and Joe Pa's name.


Actually, isn't that what this thread is about? The football program and Joe Pa's name? Isn't that who is being punished?

I keep reading doglover's comment and I don't see a vehement defense of Joe Paterno, I see a critical analysis of large groups of people WHO ARE, IN FACT, MORE INTERESTED IN JOE PATERNO THAN THE VICTIMS.

ongbok: If you cared anything about the victims or had any since of justice you would want to see everybody punished


I do. And, I assume based off of his comments, so does doglover.

ongbok: part of that punishment for the school is to have the football program restricted because they put football, money and reputation over the well being of young kids.


"They," of course, being the dead former coach and a bunch of people who either are professionally disgraced, retired, or somehow STILL EMPLOYED BY PENN STATE? For some reason, I think that should be a bigger issue than taking away scholarships. But, as someone who doesn't give a fark about Penn State, and someone who thinks people deserve to be punished for their actions instead of people who are a generation removed from these crimes.
And, as I've said in many, many threads, take everyone in the football program and fire them, and everyone between the President and the head coaching position who has been around since the late 1990s, and force the resignation of the board of directors/trustees for the school. You know, punishment for people who may have been involved.

ongbok: And no dickhole, nobody is demonizing Penn Staters for this, they are demonizing the people at the school who let it happen.


A lot of people are demonizing the school itself, NOT the people who let this happen. Yes, if someone is butthurt because "they" feel offended... well, I agree with you.

ongbok: And no dickhole 20 people aren't losing their scholarships. All of the current scholarship players can either transfer out without penalty, stay and play, or choose not to play and keep their scholarship as long as they meet the academic requirements.


So, the NCAA is going to spread those 20 scholarships out to other member institutions? Ergo, there ARE NOT 20 fewer scholarships offered by division 1 NCAA football teams in the next few years because of this decision?

ongbok: So it is dickholes like you who are trampling the real victims with this false victim hood you have surrounded yourselves with by crying about how the NCAA is ruining your football, ruining the reputation of Penn State and how Joe Pa's name is being smeared just because he let some boys get raped. You all need to get a life and a real self Identity and stop tying your self identity to a pedo enabling school and their football team.


I don't think doglover gives two shiats about Penn State. Frankly, neither do I.

But you sure showed a lot of class, taking everything he said and blowing it so far out of context that it would be like a World War II historian parsing quotes together in order to try to make Hitler look like a Jewish supporter, all the while using the world you learned last week at the Needles Gas & Gulp.
 
2012-07-25 04:42:50 AM

stoli n coke: SMU was given a 3 year death penalty because the higher ups knew players were taking money under the table and did nothing.

The higher-ups at Penn State knew one of their coaching staff had commited multiple felonies against children and did nothing for more than a decade.

Through their silence, they showed they lack the integrity to be considered a respected organization.

As for the 10 scholarships (only 10. During SMU's punishment, they weren't allowed to give out ANY athletic scholarships), those players will likely get picked up by another school, even if it is Division II.

Something tells me the 10 kids that will get the boot won't be that high on the depth chart anyway, so a future in the NFL was probably unlikely already.


First of all, SMU received a one year death penalty. One. SMU voluntarily cancelled the next season because they basically wouldn't have been able to field a team anyway and they wouldn't have had any home games (away games were allowed.) They returned to playing full seasons in the third year.

Secondly, no one is going to get booted. Current players are allowed to transfer immediately to another school and begin play immediately, even if that school is already at its maximum scholarship limit (though the schools taking them in are allowed only one player each this way.) Furthermore, any Penn State players that wish to continue at Penn State without playing football at all must be allowed to continue there on scholarship. The current players will be fine.
 
2012-07-25 04:43:53 AM

doglover: jaylectricity: You know, when a father rapes and murders a random young girl we shouldn't put him in prison because his children didn't do anything wrong and you'd be depriving them of a father figure and presumably a male paycheck every week or two into the household.

False metaphor is false.

This would be like throwing the man's whole social circle and their families in jail because of what the man, who was already in jail, did fourteen years ago.

None of you care about Grahm Spanier, the other two administrators, or the victims. You just can't stand it that Penn State won football games, now all you can think of is Joe Pa and football. Newsflash assholes, this isn't about football. This is Penn Staters reacting negatively to being demonized for shiat they couldn't have been involved in. 20 kids are gonna lose their scholarships for shiat that happened when they were 5 and 6 years old.

And where are the victims' funds in all this? Where are the people trying to locate and help these kids? Nowhere, because all you want is to destroy. You'd trample the victims to get close enough to huck an egg at a picture of a dead football coach because you're nothing but a blood thirsty mob with.


You are the problem. You are why these sanctions absolutely had to happen.

The cult must be broken to prevent such atrocities from happening in the future.
 
2012-07-25 04:44:15 AM

puffy999: people who are a generation removed from these crimes.


And who, pray tell, is that? It's not the current players.
 
2012-07-25 04:45:12 AM
quick and dirty:

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2012-07-25 05:00:32 AM

ongbok: That is why you see so many of them and so many alumni going ape shiat over NCAA sanctions and anybody that says anything bad about Joe Pa.


Yep.
 
2012-07-25 05:05:40 AM
Oh, and the following is a fair, reasonable punishment that would have actually had "the powers that be" pay for their crimes (though only one or two things could be "enforced" by the NCAA itself):

1) Joe Paterno vacates wins from the years when, had the Sandusky thing been handled properly, he would likely have not been at Penn State. This does NOT go as far back as 1998, but I'm thinking around 2003-2005, when he was about as close as ever to being out on his ass (until the news actually broke).

2) Penn State University's athletic department should have been fined in excess of $100 million, with the school itself being fined ANOTHER $100 million. THIS would have sent a message to other universities that this kind of behavior won't be allowed, and that programs had better come clean when something like this happens. And since there are reasons to believe this went beyond the athletic department, the fines go beyond the athletic department. In reality, this is a far scarier punishment than the loss of 20 scholarships for most programs.

3) Loss of bowl games for 3 seasons, because bowl games are "bonuses" that are offered, not "given." No reduction in scholarships (players weren't involved), and no ban from the BigT1e2n championship game. Hell, if you're going to make someone in a position of power be slightly fearful, force Penn State to hire two or three fewer coaches for each season than the rest of the NCAA.

4) Again, fire EVERYBODY who was involved with the program when Sandusky may have been around, with an emphasis on LEADERSHIP positions. Again, this must go all the way to the leadership of the university itself.

Other options should have been on the table ahead of a reduction in scholarships and the many years of vacated wins; for example, how about the "television ban" that the NCAA would use from time to time? It makes it harder to recruit, but they can still field a full team and compete in a new era.
Hell, since this whole issue is about making "society" feel better (again, this isn't about the victims or the great villains), how about we take away one hallmark of the Penn State football brand itself? Consider changing the Nittany Lions nickname and mascot, but that's just a consideration... FORCE updates to their uniform, though, that takes away the traditional clean blue and white, one of the most recognizable uniforms in the sport. Change the shade of blue for the rest of time (but in a way much more noticeable than what UCLA did a few years ago); worse yet, force them to go with some "electric blue" color or some crap that Nike comes up with, putting a giant fake lion on their helmets, alarm clock numbers (like Oregon), and the whole nine yards. You can't destroy the school or the athletic department (though some want to), but you can at least TRY to take away the imagery that's been associated with that school for the whole of Joe Paterno's career.

Another suggestion that was floated around, which I felt was somewhat intriguing BUT would not punish anyone who was actually involved with the cover up (and would actually provide an unfair advantage to a handful of teams in conference), would be to give a one year ban on Penn State home games (or a restriction on fans allowed in the stadium).
 
2012-07-25 05:09:09 AM

BigJake: stoli n coke: You're not going to get through to hardcore college football fans.

Don't tar all, or even most, hardcore college football fans with that brush. The cult of JoePa is a pretty unique phenomenon. There are few other coaches that have ever held such tenure and power - I can only think of one, Bear Bryant, and Bobbuh if you're feeling generous. That's it. Most other coaches don't have the tenure required to build up that kind of cult, though Saban might be making some progress there (and I'm not saying he's doing it deliberately.)


Many school programs have a cult following, even if they shuffle coaches around, especially in the south. Alabama, Florida State... many schools in Texas. Most Division I programs have a rabid following among students and alumni, and many of them frequently place athletics above academics. I believe Alabama cancels all Friday classes preceding home football games so people can essentially tailgate all day long. KU students attempted to have classes cancelled the day after the Final Four game, since students would be hungover. Thankfully, the administration wouldn't hear it. However, many other schools would have caved to that pressure.

Also, this phenomenon goes beyond just football. I could see this playing out the same way in the Duke or Kentucky men's basketball programs.

We are at the point where people are choosing the school they want to attend based solely on the reputation of their sports programs. They might as well choose their school based on the hotness of the cheerleaders.

To extend it one step further, people are borrowing out the ass, and mortgaging their futures, to go to expensive schools based solely on their love for sports. This athletic culture is responsible in no small part for many of the problems we have in higher education.
 
2012-07-25 05:12:17 AM

stoli n coke: SMU was given a 3 year death penalty because the higher ups knew players were taking money under the table and did nothing.


For comparison's sake, let's clearly ignore the difference between molestation and paying players...

But SMU's "higher ups" did not simply know players were taking money, and they did not simply cover it up (even after being sanctioned by the NCAA for the same violations).... THEY WERE MAILING THE CHECKS (in SMU stationary).

On that note, if Jerry Sandusky was holding pervert sex parties with the football coaches and leadership of the athletic department, yeah I would ABSOLUTELY support the idea of the death penalty for a few years.

... Incidentally, I'd NOT be all that surprised to learn that it actually went down that way...
 
2012-07-25 05:15:31 AM

stoli n coke: puffy999: doglover: This would be like throwing the man's whole social circle and their families in jail because of what the man, who was already in jail, did fourteen years ago.

None of you care about Grahm Spanier, the other two administrators, or the victims. You just can't stand it that Penn State won football games, now all you can think of is Joe Pa and football. Newsflash assholes, this isn't about football. This is Penn Staters reacting negatively to being demonized for shiat they couldn't have been involved in. 20 kids are gonna lose their scholarships for shiat that happened when they were 5 and 6 years old.

And where are the victims' funds in all this? Where are the people trying to locate and help these kids? Nowhere, because all you want is to destroy. You'd trample the victims to get close enough to huck an egg at a picture of a dead football coach because you're nothing but a blood thirsty mob with.

Don't attempt to be rational when people have their pitchforks. Usually you just end up getting stabbed.

SMU was given a 3 year death penalty because the higher ups knew players were taking money under the table and did nothing.

The higher-ups at Penn State knew one of their coaching staff had commited multiple felonies against children and did nothing for more than a decade.

Through their silence, they showed they lack the integrity to be considered a respected organization.

As for the 10 scholarships (only 10. During SMU's punishment, they weren't allowed to give out ANY athletic scholarships), those players will likely get picked up by another school, even if it is Division II.

Something tells me the 10 kids that will get the boot won't be that high on the depth chart anyway, so a future in the NFL was probably unlikely already.


Also, since when did universities exist solely to develop players for professional sports? This hs always offended me. Why are my student fees and tuition dollars going to feed the NFL and NBA with talent?How does that jive with the mission of a university?
 
2012-07-25 05:15:37 AM
Seriously... I'm actually kind-of creeped by that idea, because it would explain why they went to such lengths to cover this and why an early investigator (what, deputy DA?) would disappear after trying to destroy his hard drive.

Damnit I need to stop working around a conspiracy nut.
 
2012-07-25 05:15:44 AM

dave2198: To extend it one step further, people are borrowing out the ass, and mortgaging their futures, to go to expensive schools based solely on their love for sports.


Precious few of those schools are expensive, at least relatively speaking (Duke is, USC is, but there are few private schools in those ranks.)

dave2198: This athletic culture is responsible in no small part for many of the problems we have in higher education.


That is flatly nonsense. Even at football factories the football programs' revenues are a VERY small slice of those institutions' budgets and personnel, and at those same schools, rarely if ever a net drain.
 
2012-07-25 05:17:24 AM

dave2198: Also, since when did universities exist solely to develop players for professional sports?


lmao
 
2012-07-25 05:17:32 AM

puffy999: But SMU's "higher ups" did not simply know players were taking money, and they did not simply cover it up (even after being sanctioned by the NCAA for the same violations).... THEY WERE MAILING THE CHECKS (in SMU stationary).


And there is a parallel between SMU and Penn State that so far hasn't really been picked up on. When the paper that broke the SMU story first did so, it lost a bundle of advertising. Turns out many SMU supporters were various business owners who weren't going to let someone besmirch their beloved SMU. And a lot of people got ticked off at how dare someone try to drag SMU through the mud. Even after the NCAA declared the death penalty, these people were still ticked off. Not at SMU for destroying its own football program, but at the people who found out what was going on. The paper never recovered most of the lost advertising.
 
2012-07-25 05:19:34 AM
When did universities exist solely to do this thing that I made up in my own mind? TELL ME THAT!!!
 
2012-07-25 05:19:39 AM

dave2198: Also, since when did universities exist solely to develop players for professional sports? This hs always offended me. Why are my student fees and tuition dollars going to feed the NFL and NBA with talent?How does that jive with the mission of a university?


Now that's a discussion I think we need to have as a society.

I enjoy sports, but when is too much too much?
 
2012-07-25 05:22:04 AM

WhyteRaven74: And there is a parallel between SMU and Penn State that so far hasn't really been picked up on. When the paper that broke the SMU story first did so, it lost a bundle of advertising. Turns out many SMU supporters were various business owners who weren't going to let someone besmirch their beloved SMU. And a lot of people got ticked off at how dare someone try to drag SMU through the mud. Even after the NCAA declared the death penalty, these people were still ticked off. Not at SMU for destroying its own football program, but at the people who found out what was going on. The paper never recovered most of the lost advertising.


Watching that smarmy dickhole Craig James try to defend himself, and his brothers, made me enraged. I sort-of wished Mike Leach had a voodoo doll somewhere on his person, and jabbed a needle right into the heart.
 
2012-07-25 05:24:45 AM
Forgot to add: that's a good point regarding the SMU situation. And they're STILL mad about it...

Even though there are some pissed off people at Penn State, at least these accusations are so heinous that people likely won't go as far as SMU's apologists do (or, say, Alabama's boosters will go to oust a coach or Auburn's boosters will go to pay a player).
 
2012-07-25 05:27:05 AM

puffy999: I enjoy sports, but when is too much too much?


Well, look at this list, and see how far you have to scroll down before you get to an NFL team
 
2012-07-25 05:29:08 AM

BigJake: dave2198: To extend it one step further, people are borrowing out the ass, and mortgaging their futures, to go to expensive schools based solely on their love for sports.

Precious few of those schools are expensive, at least relatively speaking (Duke is, USC is, but there are few private schools in those ranks.)

dave2198: This athletic culture is responsible in no small part for many of the problems we have in higher education.

That is flatly nonsense. Even at football factories the football programs' revenues are a VERY small slice of those institutions' budgets and personnel, and at those same schools, rarely if ever a net drain.


State schools can be expensive, especially if you live out-of-state. If your family lives in Georgia, and you love 'Bama football, you can expect to pay $15k per semester.

Many athletic programs are a net drain, especially once you move away from Div. I programs. Div. I money is different, from bowl games to TV revenue to merch. Many Division II sports programs do not have those revenue streams, yet they spend like they are small Division I schools. Many athletic programs rely on student fees to close budget gaps. Many athletic programs pull funds from other departments to cover their asses. Many athletic programs are given blank checks to cover whatever they need. I have worked at a Div. II where all of the above has happened, plus some.

Considering how many students rely on student loans to get through school, it is irresponsible for schools to spend that money on things which will not directly benefit them. When a school raises student fees to pay for athletic endeavors, the athletic department is essentially receiving free money on the backs of the students. The students will end up paying off this loan with interest.
 
2012-07-25 05:29:12 AM
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THEY'LL BE KILLINGS NEXT!
 
2012-07-25 05:32:46 AM

BigJake: When did universities exist solely to do this thing that I made up in my own mind? TELL ME THAT!!!


Open your eyes.
 
2012-07-25 05:34:05 AM

puffy999: And they're STILL mad about it...


Heh yeah. The thing with Penn State is the people who are ticked off, are completely missing the big picture. With SMU there is just the one issue, there's no larger issue with it. With Penn State you have people who are completely ignoring all the covering up and various other issues, cause Paterno was breaking NCAA rules, like the rule about player discipline. One student yesterday was saying how they shouldn't be punished because Sandusky wasn't a coach on the team after 98. I'm wondering what'll happen if an NFL player who went to Penn State pipes up and says what happened was reprehensible and that he's ashamed/enraged whatever that Paterno and others would involve themselves in a cover up as they did.
 
2012-07-25 05:36:31 AM
They should not have taken Joe's statue down!

Just shift it so it's looking the other way...
 
2012-07-25 05:45:21 AM

Hardy-r-r: Just shift it so it's looking the other way...


Or as a friend suggested, put it in the library to remind everyone to keep quiet.
 
2012-07-25 05:46:53 AM

WhyteRaven74: puffy999: But SMU's "higher ups" did not simply know players were taking money, and they did not simply cover it up (even after being sanctioned by the NCAA for the same violations).... THEY WERE MAILING THE CHECKS (in SMU stationary).

And there is a parallel between SMU and Penn State that so far hasn't really been picked up on. When the paper that broke the SMU story first did so, it lost a bundle of advertising. Turns out many SMU supporters were various business owners who weren't going to let someone besmirch their beloved SMU. And a lot of people got ticked off at how dare someone try to drag SMU through the mud. Even after the NCAA declared the death penalty, these people were still ticked off. Not at SMU for destroying its own football program, but at the people who found out what was going on. The paper never recovered most of the lost advertising.


They got through it, though. The paper that reported it is still the number 1 paper in Dallas and the TV station that picked up on it has been dominant in the Dallas market for decades. It didn't really hurt them much.

I live in Texas, so let me explain that SMU is the school where rich Dallas businessmen send their kids. Back during the scandal, they liked to bluff that they had more pull in that city than they really did.
 
2012-07-25 05:48:36 AM

dave2198: If your family lives in Georgia, and you love 'Bama football, you can expect to pay $15k per semester.

Then go to Georgia.

It's not like they don't frequently field a competitive SEC football team. If going to Alabama is that important, it's your money, so burn it if you want.

dave2198: Many Division II sports programs do not have those revenue streams, yet they spend like they are small Division I schools.


No. Given that the average DII athletic budget is less than half that of the average D1A midmajor (excluding the BCS dudes!) budget, not really.

dave2198: I have worked at a Div. II where all of the above has happened, plus some.


To be perfectly honest, I don't give a flying fark about Division II and neither does anyone else, which is why they're a budgetary drain. I don't have a problem with schools that want to shut their programs down since they actually represent more than a rounding error in their respective institutional budgets. But when (most) people rail on about college athletics, those aren't the programs they're railing against.

dave2198: Open your eyes.


Back up your ridiculous hyperbolic statements.
 
2012-07-25 05:50:03 AM

Hardy-r-r: Just shift it so it's looking the other way...


DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER! As the one millionth person to make this joke, you've won a prize!
 
2012-07-25 05:50:39 AM
Time for bed. See yall tomorrow maybe
 
2012-07-25 05:51:00 AM

stoli n coke: , so let me explain that SMU is the school where rich Dallas businessmen send their kids


Which is why the outrage, well poutrage really, caused a mess for some people. It wasn't a bunch of kids crying into their frappuncinos, it was businessmen who weren't about to let anyone besmirch their beloved SMU.
 
2012-07-25 06:28:55 AM
We are Ped State!!....where butthurt is legendary....just like 9/11 and the holocaust.
 
2012-07-25 06:33:37 AM

heap: Captain_Ballbeard: doglover: This is Penn Staters reacting negatively to being demonized for shiat they couldn't have been involved in.


Learn to keep your house clean. Plenty of people got bombed in Baghdad that never worked for Sadaam.

the aspect that gets me is the 'woooh, think of the innocents!' proclamations - did anybody really lash their backs and decry the horror of the 30 deserving student athletes that will be deprived their birthright because of a punishment USC received as an institution?

and this was over reggie bush getting monetary gain he wasn't supposed to - not hiding shower room rape, for chrissakes. yet in this instance, the very idea of punishing the institution for it's institutional failures is tantamount to mob justice.


they were going to cry and whine no matter what happened, there's really no reason at all to listen to these people, they haven't earned the right yet to be listened to
 
2012-07-25 06:50:49 AM

FloydA: WhoIsWillo: This reminds me of the reactions of members of cults after their leader is discovered to be farking a goat or something.

Yup. The more the alumni hyperventilate and scream, the more they prove why the sanctions were necessary.


They should have just shut down the football program for a few years on top of the sanctions. These people are a farking cancer, and this wristslap by the NCAA isn't going to change the culture of the program.
 
2012-07-25 06:57:59 AM
So nearly everyone currently associated with Penn State is a total and complete farking douchebag then? Holy shiat.
 
2012-07-25 06:58:43 AM

doglover: jaylectricity: You know, when a father rapes and murders a random young girl we shouldn't put him in prison because his children didn't do anything wrong and you'd be depriving them of a father figure and presumably a male paycheck every week or two into the household.

False metaphor is false.

This would be like throwing the man's whole social circle and their families in jail because of what the man, who was already in jail, did fourteen years ago.


But they deserve everything they get because they deign to support him after it's been proven he's a sadistic bastard!

...again, if you're an Evangelical Christian who thinks the world started <10,000 years ago, there was a worldwide flood, and all those fossils and stars were put there to test your faith, and you think God is caring and loving even after it's pointed out to you all the atrocities that happen in the Bible that are approved by Him...finally, for just a second, you now know how everyone else in the world views you.
 
2012-07-25 07:00:04 AM

AdamK: they were going to cry and whine no matter what happened, there's really no reason at all to listen to these people, they haven't earned the right yet to be listened to


Keep dehumanizing people for deigning to disagree with you. That always works out so well.
 
2012-07-25 07:06:42 AM

puffy999: Forgot to add: that's a good point regarding the SMU situation. And they're STILL mad about it...

Even though there are some pissed off people at Penn State, at least these accusations are so heinous that people likely won't go as far as SMU's apologists do (or, say, Alabama's boosters will go to oust a coach or Auburn's boosters will go to pay a player).


Yep. SMU people still defend the actual acts that got them death penaltied. Same with USC and Ohio State. Hell, even Florida A&M students defend the hazing that led to that band member's death even now.

You won't hear even the most strident Joe Paterno supporter directly defend child rape. Even those that truly don't know what supporting Paterno even now means...not one will say "Eh, it's just child rape, what the fark's the big deal?" (They will say "Why are you punishing us when it's Jerry Sandusky who did it?" but that's a different argument, and anyone trying to conflate the two is just as deluded as they are.)
 
2012-07-25 07:08:48 AM

IlGreven: puffy999: Forgot to add: that's a good point regarding the SMU situation. And they're STILL mad about it...

Even though there are some pissed off people at Penn State, at least these accusations are so heinous that people likely won't go as far as SMU's apologists do (or, say, Alabama's boosters will go to oust a coach or Auburn's boosters will go to pay a player).

Yep. SMU people still defend the actual acts that got them death penaltied. Same with USC and Ohio State. Hell, even Florida A&M students defend the hazing that led to that band member's death even now.

You won't hear even the most strident Joe Paterno supporter directly defend child rape. Even those that truly don't know what supporting Paterno even now means...not one will say "Eh, it's just child rape, what the fark's the big deal?" (They will say "Why are you punishing us when it's Jerry Sandusky who did it?" but that's a different argument, and anyone trying to conflate the two is just as deluded as they are.)


Not really.

These people are vile.
 
2012-07-25 07:26:15 AM

doglover: You just can't stand it that Penn State won football games, now all you can think of is Joe Pa and football.


He was shiat coach, didn't win anything since 98.
 
2012-07-25 07:26:29 AM

doglover: jaylectricity: You know, when a father rapes and murders a random young girl we shouldn't put him in prison because his children didn't do anything wrong and you'd be depriving them of a father figure and presumably a male paycheck every week or two into the household.

False metaphor is false.

This would be like throwing the man's whole social circle and their families in jail because of what the man, who was already in jail, did fourteen years ago.

None of you care about Grahm Spanier, the other two administrators, or the victims. You just can't stand it that Penn State won football games, now all you can think of is Joe Pa and football. Newsflash assholes, this isn't about football. This is Penn Staters reacting negatively to being demonized for shiat they couldn't have been involved in. 20 kids are gonna lose their scholarships for shiat that happened when they were 5 and 6 years old.

And where are the victims' funds in all this? Where are the people trying to locate and help these kids? Nowhere, because all you want is to destroy. You'd trample the victims to get close enough to huck an egg at a picture of a dead football coach because you're nothing but a blood thirsty mob with.


Not quite subtle enough.
 
2012-07-25 07:43:55 AM

IlGreven: puffy999: Forgot to add: that's a good point regarding the SMU situation. And they're STILL mad about it...

Even though there are some pissed off people at Penn State, at least these accusations are so heinous that people likely won't go as far as SMU's apologists do (or, say, Alabama's boosters will go to oust a coach or Auburn's boosters will go to pay a player).

Yep. SMU people still defend the actual acts that got them death penaltied. Same with USC and Ohio State. Hell, even Florida A&M students defend the hazing that led to that band member's death even now.

You won't hear even the most strident Joe Paterno supporter directly defend child rape. Even those that truly don't know what supporting Paterno even now means...not one will say "Eh, it's just child rape, what the fark's the big deal?" (They will say "Why are you punishing us when it's Jerry Sandusky who did it?" but that's a different argument, and anyone trying to conflate the two is just as deluded as they are.)


The SMU stuff, while against NCAA rules, was not a crime. Same with Ohio State and USC. The Florida A&M case is still an open investigation, so charges are not out of the question.

While no Penn State supporters are defending Sandusky for what he did, they are going to the mat to defend someone who KNEW he had a serial child rapist working for him, and did not call the police the second he found out, opting instead to do nothing.

Paterno may have won some games, but his action in this case revealed him to be nothing more than a goddamn coward who was more worried about embarassing his program and, thus, his own legend.

There's a question I've asked a lot of Paterno faithful and still haven't gotten an answer to. If the head coach at your kid's high school or junior high behaved the same way, would you be so willing to forgive?

Of course not. You'd be pissed, and rightfully so. But so many people got so wrapped up in their hero worship of Paterno, they can't see him for the kind of man he really was.
 
2012-07-25 07:46:19 AM
The best thing about all these Penn State threads? I don't have to stumble across random trolling morans to add to my "farking retard" Ignore list. They all come running to one location, making it so much easier.

/plonk
//plonk
///and plonk again
 
2012-07-25 07:48:04 AM

miltonbabbitt: At first, I had a "lynch 'em all" mentality, so to speak. But then I heard a radio interview with someone from Penn State, and what they said was enough to give me pause. The point was:

Universities don't molest kids - people do.
Universities don't cover up crimes - people do.

Don't punish the University - punish the people involved. All of them. But let those who had nothing to do with the crimes retain all of the opportunities college and football has to offer....

I don't have a strong opinion one way or another, but I certainly understand the frustration coming from Penn State students and faculty who have done nothing wrong but are left holding the check.


You can't say that. Read this thread - rationality has no place here. I've stated over and over that blanket punishments of people not involved are wrong and that every person actually involved should be prosecuted, jailed, banned from working an NCAA institution for life, etc, and I get called an apologist for wanting actual justice instead of this mob crap. The people here are no better than the assclown Penn Staters, just on the other side of the issue.
 
2012-07-25 07:49:59 AM

Godscrack: Unbelievable. These sports nuts are wacko.


They're almost as bad as the people hoping to see an athletic program burnt to the ground as revenge for having been picked on by jocks when they were in school.
 
2012-07-25 07:51:28 AM
And just when I thought Penn State fans were going to keep quiet and just show support for their football team, they go and totally redeem themselves and go full "SEAN PENN"

You never go full Sean Penn, you just never recover
 
2012-07-25 07:52:43 AM

consider this: Godscrack: Unbelievable. These sports nuts are wacko.

They're almost as bad as the people hoping to see an athletic program burnt to the ground as revenge for having been picked on by jocks when they were in school justice for actively participating in a child rape cover up for over a decade.


Just a matter of perception I suppose.
 
2012-07-25 07:53:33 AM
When they took down the statue of Paterno a group of students gathered and chanted "We are Penn State". That in a nutshell sums up the problem I have with them. When the allies freed Aushwitz did a group of germans gather outside and chant We are Nazi Germany?

Somebody had to Godwin this biatch.
 
2012-07-25 07:58:03 AM
"It was our crucifixion. I felt the Centurion's spear puncture my side."

Father, forgive them for (they are dumbass sports fans and) they know not what they do.
 
2012-07-25 07:59:22 AM

Your Average Witty Fark User: I have some family that won't STFU about this. "Oh it's just so unfair!" "Why punish the kids now for crimes committed over a decade ago?" "ESPN, stop coercing our players to transfer!"

GFY. Seriously. I've had enough of your selfishness. Worrying about your goddamned football program is what got you in this mess in the first place. STFU.


My boyfriend and I have been having this same discussion - his refusal to look at this situation as an institutional coverup and not a one time mistake makes me wonder why the fark I am with him...

There is no farking birth right to attend Penn State - if this was the only institution of higher learning or the only place these farkwits could play football, then maybe, just maybe, I would feel a little different. Since they can can go elsewhere (it is not like Penn State is the local community college's football team) no one is being deprived by the NCAA of a chance to go to college. It has just made it less attractive to play there since it is not the paragon of virtue that it once was and you won't get to go to a bowl game. At least they don't have to be butt raped as a condition of their scholarship...
 
2012-07-25 07:59:47 AM
Great. At this growing rate of retardation Penn State will have suicide bombers exploding the Sandusky bathroom.

...right after yelling WE ARE PENN STATE!

[explosion]
 
2012-07-25 08:09:50 AM
[westboro_bapist_protesters_GODHATESPENNSTATE.jpg]
 
2012-07-25 08:10:02 AM
College sports is entertainment. It serves no other purpose. Drain the money from it.
 
2012-07-25 08:11:44 AM

Wild Eyed and Wicked: My boyfriend and I have been having this same discussion - his refusal to look at this situation as an institutional coverup and not a one time mistake makes me wonder why the fark I am with him...


You sound like a sensible, intelligent woman...

/Don't watch sports on teevee.
 
2012-07-25 08:13:29 AM
I just heard Penn States Marching band has been suspended for playing in A Minor
 
2012-07-25 08:14:52 AM

puffy999: I keep reading doglover's comment and I don't see a vehement defense of Joe Paterno, I see a critical analysis of large groups of people WHO ARE, IN FACT, MORE INTERESTED IN JOE PATERNO THAN THE VICTIMS.


Why should we be any different than the people in State College. You know, those folks who rioted when Paterno was fired, the dopes on campus who were simply AGHAST when the penalties were handed down Monday, or this fellow who compared the SANCTIONS to a massive terrorist attack that killed over 3000 people. Not the crimes, mind you, the sanctions. Against the football team.

This is a Paterno conversation because that's the only thing those people care about.
 
2012-07-25 08:14:59 AM

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: So nearly everyone currently associated with Penn State is a total and complete farking douchebag then? Holy shiat.


I honestly think it's just the ones that stay in central PA. We had a couple in my grad department at ECU (one was a history major, one was a meteorology major, never fully understood why he was going for an MA in maritime history). They were fine folks, but they finished up long before this mess hit the fan.
 
2012-07-25 08:15:47 AM

Godscrack: Unbelievable. These sports nuts are wacko.


Ya. The fact that we're almost up to 20 threads on the subject since Friday alone kinda points that out.
 
2012-07-25 08:25:45 AM
akuma976:

I just heard Penn States Marching band has been suspended for playing in A Minor

omgwtfbbq ... THE BAND WAS IN ON IT, TOO (clicky clicky)

/ Penn State team intro FTL
 
2012-07-25 08:30:35 AM

doglover: jaylectricity: You know, when a father rapes and murders a random young girl we shouldn't put him in prison because his children didn't do anything wrong and you'd be depriving them of a father figure and presumably a male paycheck every week or two into the household.

False metaphor is false.

This would be like throwing the man's whole social circle and their families in jail because of what the man, who was already in jail, did fourteen years ago.

None of you care about Grahm Spanier, the other two administrators, or the victims. You just can't stand it that Penn State won football games, now all you can think of is Joe Pa and football. Newsflash assholes, this isn't about football. This is Penn Staters reacting negatively to being demonized for shiat they couldn't have been involved in. 20 kids are gonna lose their scholarships for shiat that happened when they were 5 and 6 years old.

And where are the victims' funds in all this? Where are the people trying to locate and help these kids? Nowhere, because all you want is to destroy. You'd trample the victims to get close enough to huck an egg at a picture of a dead football coach because you're nothing but a blood thirsty mob with.


0/10
 
2012-07-25 08:39:19 AM

IlGreven: AdamK: they were going to cry and whine no matter what happened, there's really no reason at all to listen to these people, they haven't earned the right yet to be listened to

Keep dehumanizing people for deigning to disagree with you. That always works out so well.


if ignoring people is dehumanizing then most of the internet is dog
 
2012-07-25 08:43:22 AM
we need to redirect marksmen from colorado to psu....
 
2012-07-25 08:47:51 AM
I've come around in this. I was squarely in the "don't punish the group for the actions of the few" crowd but my mind had been changed.

The bad actors in this case were acting to protect the University from possible harm. If we insulate the university from harm, others may think it is worth jumping on the grenade in the future.

The NCAA has to show that covering up misdeeds in order to protect the university is going to hurt the university so no one is tempted to cover up anything this horrible ever again.
 
2012-07-25 08:58:27 AM

Krymson Tyde: "They ask me what I'd like written about me when I'm gone. I hope they write I made Penn State a better place, not just that I was a good football coach."
--Joe Paterno

Yeah, about that...


Exactly. The rabid fans of Penn State are the best "shove-your-face-in-shiat" example of how Joe Paterno's legacy is a complete an abysmal failure.

Well, that and the rape of children.

/There you go, doglover
//Really dig your nose into it.
 
2012-07-25 09:00:05 AM
fark Penn St. and all their farktard fans. It's just a game, you mongoloids. Kids were raped, if you're going to use the 9/11 analogy,use it right. These kids' anus were the tower and sandusky's cock was the plane.
 
2012-07-25 09:09:28 AM

dletter: I'm not going to fall into the trap of saying this is how every Penn St. alum and fan feels or would express themselves.

I will just say that this guy is a total dick.


This alum thanks you and agrees that the guy in the article is a total dick.

Not that I agree with how the sanctioning was handled, but it's just a farking game. The reactions of some of these students really piss me off. Get your education, get drunk at the bars, bang some girls (or guys if that's your thing) and move on with life.
 
2012-07-25 09:09:40 AM

stoli n coke: puffy999: doglover: This would be like throwing the man's whole social circle and their families in jail because of what the man, who was already in jail, did fourteen years ago.

None of you care about Grahm Spanier, the other two administrators, or the victims. You just can't stand it that Penn State won football games, now all you can think of is Joe Pa and football. Newsflash assholes, this isn't about football. This is Penn Staters reacting negatively to being demonized for shiat they couldn't have been involved in. 20 kids are gonna lose their scholarships for shiat that happened when they were 5 and 6 years old.

And where are the victims' funds in all this? Where are the people trying to locate and help these kids? Nowhere, because all you want is to destroy. You'd trample the victims to get close enough to huck an egg at a picture of a dead football coach because you're nothing but a blood thirsty mob with.

Don't attempt to be rational when people have their pitchforks. Usually you just end up getting stabbed.

SMU was given a 3 year death penalty because the higher ups knew players were taking money under the table and did nothing.

The higher-ups at Penn State knew one of their coaching staff had commited multiple felonies against children and did nothing for more than a decade.

Through their silence, they showed they lack the integrity to be considered a respected organization.

As for the 10 scholarships (only 10. During SMU's punishment, they weren't allowed to give out ANY athletic scholarships), those players will likely get picked up by another school, even if it is Division II.

Something tells me the 10 kids that will get the boot won't be that high on the depth chart anyway, so a future in the NFL was probably unlikely already.


Don't try to be rational when people are blindly defending the cover up of child rape.
 
2012-07-25 09:12:55 AM
Football isn't really the problem I have. It is the God that JoePa was considered by these people.

I grew up in Lexington, I know about the religion that is college sports, but the name on the front of the jersey is what is important. The coaches come and go. The man brought shame to your institution so the defense of him is what is mind numbing.
 
2012-07-25 09:15:36 AM

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: IlGreven: puffy999: Forgot to add: that's a good point regarding the SMU situation. And they're STILL mad about it...

Even though there are some pissed off people at Penn State, at least these accusations are so heinous that people likely won't go as far as SMU's apologists do (or, say, Alabama's boosters will go to oust a coach or Auburn's boosters will go to pay a player).

Yep. SMU people still defend the actual acts that got them death penaltied. Same with USC and Ohio State. Hell, even Florida A&M students defend the hazing that led to that band member's death even now.

You won't hear even the most strident Joe Paterno supporter directly defend child rape. Even those that truly don't know what supporting Paterno even now means...not one will say "Eh, it's just child rape, what the fark's the big deal?" (They will say "Why are you punishing us when it's Jerry Sandusky who did it?" but that's a different argument, and anyone trying to conflate the two is just as deluded as they are.)

Not really.

These people are vile.


"@Renizzle06 I say fark the victims. Again." -Ahab Basabla, PSU winner
 
2012-07-25 09:29:20 AM
The poor, poor victims of Penn State are definitely all those fans who won't get to watch their team in the Little Caesar's Pizza Bowl the next four years.
 
2012-07-25 09:39:06 AM
Oh my gosh, there are some irrational people on a college campus? Quick, pull out that broad brush and make sure everyone knows they're all like that!
 
2012-07-25 09:39:57 AM

Icetech3: we need to redirect marksmen from colorado to psu....


It's been done. Link
 
2012-07-25 09:40:07 AM

doglover: History shows again and again how well mob "justice" works.


The only mob Ive seen laying down mob justice were rioters at Penn State taking out a news van for daring to try to report bad things about JoePa from happy valley.
 
2012-07-25 09:43:08 AM

born_yesterday: stoli n coke: puffy999: doglover: This would be like throwing the man's whole social circle and their families in jail because of what the man, who was already in jail, did fourteen years ago.

None of you care about Grahm Spanier, the other two administrators, or the victims. You just can't stand it that Penn State won football games, now all you can think of is Joe Pa and football. Newsflash assholes, this isn't about football. This is Penn Staters reacting negatively to being demonized for shiat they couldn't have been involved in. 20 kids are gonna lose their scholarships for shiat that happened when they were 5 and 6 years old.

And where are the victims' funds in all this? Where are the people trying to locate and help these kids? Nowhere, because all you want is to destroy. You'd trample the victims to get close enough to huck an egg at a picture of a dead football coach because you're nothing but a blood thirsty mob with.

Don't attempt to be rational when people have their pitchforks. Usually you just end up getting stabbed.

SMU was given a 3 year death penalty because the higher ups knew players were taking money under the table and did nothing.

The higher-ups at Penn State knew one of their coaching staff had commited multiple felonies against children and did nothing for more than a decade.

Through their silence, they showed they lack the integrity to be considered a respected organization.

As for the 10 scholarships (only 10. During SMU's punishment, they weren't allowed to give out ANY athletic scholarships), those players will likely get picked up by another school, even if it is Division II.

Something tells me the 10 kids that will get the boot won't be that high on the depth chart anyway, so a future in the NFL was probably unlikely already.

Don't try to be rational when people are blindly defending the cover up of child rape.


The scholarship reduction applies to incoming recruits. The current players were given the option to transfer without sitting out a year, play for Penn State or continue their education on scholarship without playing. But don't let facts get in the way of your whargarble.
 
2012-07-25 09:47:47 AM
Gov Corbett should have his name right there with Paterno. He sat on the case while taking money from second mile contributors. SHAME
 
2012-07-25 09:51:23 AM
I reckon he could have said something different such as " It was like watching the OJ verdict and they found him guilty!"
 
2012-07-25 10:00:39 AM

dave2198: BigJake: dave2198: To extend it one step further, people are borrowing out the ass, and mortgaging their futures, to go to expensive schools based solely on their love for sports.

Precious few of those schools are expensive, at least relatively speaking (Duke is, USC is, but there are few private schools in those ranks.)

dave2198: This athletic culture is responsible in no small part for many of the problems we have in higher education.

That is flatly nonsense. Even at football factories the football programs' revenues are a VERY small slice of those institutions' budgets and personnel, and at those same schools, rarely if ever a net drain.

State schools can be expensive, especially if you live out-of-state. If your family lives in Georgia, and you love 'Bama football, you can expect to pay $15k per semester.


Anyone dumb enough to pick a college based on their sports affiliation should either suffer the consequences of paying that much or just not be given loans in the first place.
 
2012-07-25 10:15:07 AM

doglover: jaylectricity: You know, when a father rapes and murders a random young girl we shouldn't put him in prison because his children didn't do anything wrong and you'd be depriving them of a father figure and presumably a male paycheck every week or two into the household.

False metaphor is false.

This would be like throwing the man's whole social circle and their families in jail because of what the man, who was already in jail, did fourteen years ago.

None of you care about Grahm Spanier, the other two administrators, or the victims. You just can't stand it that Penn State won football games, now all you can think of is Joe Pa and football. Newsflash assholes, this isn't about football. This is Penn Staters reacting negatively to being demonized for shiat they couldn't have been involved in. 20 kids are gonna lose their scholarships for shiat that happened when they were 5 and 6 years old.

And where are the victims' funds in all this? Where are the people trying to locate and help these kids? Nowhere, because all you want is to destroy. You'd trample the victims to get close enough to huck an egg at a picture of a dead football coach because you're nothing but a blood thirsty mob with.


2/10.
 
2012-07-25 10:19:26 AM

elguerodiablo: The scholarship reduction applies to incoming recruits. The current players were given the option to transfer without sitting out a year, play for Penn State or continue their education on scholarship without playing. But don't let facts get in the way of your whargarble.


But if you actually look at the facts, you may conclude that the punishment is reasonable and even makes a lot of sense.

Where's the fun in that?
 
2012-07-25 10:20:07 AM
There isn't a violin tiny enough to serenade these people as they deserve.
 
2012-07-25 10:24:52 AM
except that it's not. 9/11 changed everything, this will change nothing...
 
2012-07-25 10:31:27 AM

sniderman: The best thing about all these Penn State threads? I don't have to stumble across random trolling morans to add to my "farking retard" Ignore list. They all come running to one location, making it so much easier.

/plonk
//plonk
///and plonk again


Strange, when I do mine, it says 'Ni', 'Ping', 'Neee-Wom', and 'Ekke Ekke Ekke Ekke Ptangya Ziiinnggggggg'.
 
2012-07-25 10:33:57 AM

Karma Curmudgeon: There isn't a violin tiny enough to serenade these people as they deserve.


It would require a violin so tiny, the Higgs Boson could play it.
 
2012-07-25 10:36:31 AM
Penn State fan's reaction illustrates precisely why the NCAA had to impose sanctions against the university as they did.
 
2012-07-25 10:37:11 AM

Iowan73: doglover: jaylectricity: You know, when a father rapes and murders a random young girl we shouldn't put him in prison because his children didn't do anything wrong and you'd be depriving them of a father figure and presumably a male paycheck every week or two into the household.

False metaphor is false.

This would be like throwing the man's whole social circle and their families in jail because of what the man, who was already in jail, did fourteen years ago.

None of you care about Grahm Spanier, the other two administrators, or the victims. You just can't stand it that Penn State won football games, now all you can think of is Joe Pa and football. Newsflash assholes, this isn't about football. This is Penn Staters reacting negatively to being demonized for shiat they couldn't have been involved in. 20 kids are gonna lose their scholarships for shiat that happened when they were 5 and 6 years old.

And where are the victims' funds in all this? Where are the people trying to locate and help these kids? Nowhere, because all you want is to destroy. You'd trample the victims to get close enough to huck an egg at a picture of a dead football coach because you're nothing but a blood thirsty mob with.

2/10.


Looks like we found IAmRight's alt.
 
2012-07-25 10:42:59 AM
Fascinating. If someone were tip over Jay Paterno's trash can and light a lawn flamingo on fire at his house tonight, I'm sure some locals would invoke My Lai comparisons with no hesitation.
 
2012-07-25 10:44:40 AM
I seriously have no idea what education these people received at PSU. It seems so different from mine.
 
2012-07-25 10:46:03 AM

Killer Cars: Fascinating. If someone were tip over Jay Paterno's trash can and light a lawn flamingo on fire at his house tonight, I'm sure some locals would invoke My Lai comparisons with no hesitation.


Remember the Maine! Remember for JoPa!!!!

Jooooooooooopaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

/asshats
 
2012-07-25 10:47:30 AM
I wonder if the NCAA Bowl sanctions include the Senior Bowl? That really isn't a team bowl but more individual player.
 
2012-07-25 10:51:51 AM
www.lunchtimedoodles.com
 
2012-07-25 11:05:25 AM
My personal favorite new narrative is "They're jealous of our football success."

Yes I'm sure Iowa, Michigan, and Ohio State are all oh so jealous of your football success. Oh wait, Lloyd Carr and Jim Tressel owned Paterno on the field. Kirk Ferentz has a nice win streak going and Bielma clearly had Wisconsin a trajectory superior to PSU's. PSU hasn't done shiat in the B1G, no championships since 1986 and the team that went to the 2006 Orange Bowl is the one worthwhile team they fielded in the 2000s. None of the programs that take football seriously in the B1G fear PSU. Western PA Coal Country talent has withered and PSU hasn't built enough recruiting pipelines to compensate. Even before the sanctions, PSU would have been lucky to average 9 wins over the next decade. They were at best the 4th strongest program in the B1G and likely the fifth strongest.
 
2012-07-25 11:14:17 AM

jaylectricity: You know, when a father rapes and murders a random young girl we shouldn't put him in prison because his children didn't do anything wrong and you'd be depriving them of a father figure and presumably a male paycheck every week or two into the household.


Why you gotta bring up Glenn Beck at a time like this?
 
2012-07-25 11:19:06 AM
I am concerned about the quality of the education these students are receiving if they are still incapable of understanding that the NCAA sanctions leveled against their school were not for Sandusky's crimes against children, but instead for the long term, ongoing coverup and facilitation of Sandusky's crimes against children.

Come to think of it, there are several people in this thread who haven't yet figured it out.
 
2012-07-25 11:43:34 AM
Meh, their team hasn't been any good for ages anyway.
 
2012-07-25 11:55:57 AM

Weaver95: I wonder if the State government will hit PSU with Clery act violations....? it'll probably be weeks until we know how that turns out though.


i believe that's the feds, not the state, that will disappoint you with their inaction in regards to the clery act violations.
 
2012-07-25 12:09:24 PM

Icetech3: we need to redirect marksmen from colorado to psu....


This is a four-year punishment, and people in Colorado can't correctly count to four.

cdn.bleacherreport.net
 
2012-07-25 12:23:37 PM
At some point you people need to move on. PENN state was punished severely, Sandusky is in Jail and Paterno is dead. There is 0 use in blaming the current students at the school who had a total of NOTHING to do with the situation.
 
2012-07-25 12:49:48 PM

Warlordtrooper: At some point you people need to move on. PENN state was punished severely, Sandusky is in Jail and Paterno is dead. There is 0 use in blaming the current students at the school who had a total of NOTHING to do with the situation.


...so what are the current students losing?
 
2012-07-25 01:38:47 PM

RockChalkH1N1: Warlordtrooper: At some point you people need to move on. PENN state was punished severely, Sandusky is in Jail and Paterno is dead. There is 0 use in blaming the current students at the school who had a total of NOTHING to do with the situation.

...so what are the current students losing?


Don't bother, if they haven't realized that there is a clause that allows the athletes to transfer without penalty, they'll never realize it.
 
2012-07-25 01:38:50 PM

Warlordtrooper: At some point you people need to move on. PENN state was punished severely, Sandusky is in Jail and Paterno is dead. There is 0 use in blaming the current students at the school who had a total of NOTHING to do with the situation.


Nobody is blaming the current students for anything other than saying stupid things that sound like culture worship when the subject is brought up.
 
2012-07-25 01:50:02 PM

Warlordtrooper: At some point you people need to move on. PENN state was punished severely, Sandusky is in Jail and Paterno is dead. There is 0 use in blaming the current students at the school who had a total of NOTHING to do with the situation.


You're right. They have nothing to do with it. So they're not harmed by sanctions.
 
2012-07-25 02:12:37 PM
QB McGloin, in the ESPN article: "This team has taken on more adversity than any team has faced in history, which is a testament to our commitment to our team's character, our fans, and our university."

Way to learn absolutely nothing from this scandal, McGloin. And what is this bullshiat about "more adversity than any team in history"? What exactly has this team accomplished other than existing during a time of great humiliation for Penn State?
 
2012-07-25 02:16:03 PM

Warlordtrooper: At some point you people need to move on. PENN state was punished severely, Sandusky is in Jail and Paterno is dead. There is 0 use in blaming the current students at the school who had a total of NOTHING to do with the situation.


And how is anybody blaming the current students for anything?

People are blaming the school for being complicit in a coverup of child rape to protect the football team, and are want the institution to be held responsible for that.

This is the problem right here. Penn State students and alumni have their self identity so wrapped up with the school, football and Joe Pa, that anything said or done to any of those three, they will claim is an attack on them also.
 
2012-07-25 02:23:08 PM

Warlordtrooper: At some point you people need to move on. PENN state was punished severely, Sandusky is in Jail and Paterno is dead. There is 0 use in blaming the current students at the school who had a total of NOTHING to do with the situation.


It seems to me that the culture of reverence towards the football team is actually a source of the problem. If people treated the football program as "just another thing the university does," then the administrators would have taken action as soon as they found out about Sandusky. Unfortunately, the administrators were more worried about the football program getting a bad reputation, so they tried to cover it up.

It's analogous to the pedophile priests scandal, in a way. The church hierarchy was more concerned with looking good than with being good, and that made the abuse possible.

Imagine if there had been a TA in the math department abusing kids. The administration would have come down hard on that person as soon as they found out, because nobody worships the math department. It's a good math department, but it's not a subject of reverence. If the alumni had the same attitude towards the football team as they have towards the math department, Sandusky would have been arrested ages ago.

So yeah, I do think the students had something to do with the problem. They turned football into a quasi-religion that could not be questioned, and that attitude was what allowed the abuse to continue.
 
2012-07-25 03:27:53 PM

tortilla burger: QB McGloin, in the ESPN article: "This team has taken on more adversity than any team has faced in history, which is a testament to our commitment to our team's character, our fans, and our university."

Way to learn absolutely nothing from this scandal, McGloin. And what is this bullshiat about "more adversity than any team in history"? What exactly has this team accomplished other than existing during a time of great humiliation for Penn State?


Marshall University Football in the 70's wants QB McGloin to fark off, and know that he is an epic douchebag and a whiny little baby.

Now THAT, that was character.

Not yours.
 
2012-07-25 08:59:56 PM

Wild Eyed and Wicked: Your Average Witty Fark User: I have some family that won't STFU about this. "Oh it's just so unfair!" "Why punish the kids now for crimes committed over a decade ago?" "ESPN, stop coercing our players to transfer!"

GFY. Seriously. I've had enough of your selfishness. Worrying about your goddamned football program is what got you in this mess in the first place. STFU.

My boyfriend and I have been having this same discussion - his refusal to look at this situation as an institutional coverup and not a one time mistake makes me wonder why the fark I am with him...

There is no farking birth right to attend Penn State - if this was the only institution of higher learning or the only place these farkwits could play football, then maybe, just maybe, I would feel a little different. Since they can can go elsewhere (it is not like Penn State is the local community college's football team) no one is being deprived by the NCAA of a chance to go to college. It has just made it less attractive to play there since it is not the paragon of virtue that it once was and you won't get to go to a bowl game. At least they don't have to be butt raped as a condition of their scholarship...


You've hit the nail right on the head. All of these goddamned people think PSU is a birthright. It's as if they've been personally attacked with the sanctions. If I have to explain one more time that reduced scholarships does not equal reduced opportunity, I'm going to vomit. You don't HAVE to have a scholarship to play football. You can pay your own goddamned way. Additionally, if you're good enough to get a scholarship to PSU, you're probably good enough to get a scholarship to another college.
 
2012-07-28 02:02:23 AM
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It's like when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!
 
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