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2012-07-24 07:15:59 PM

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: intelligent comment below: An android is for idiots who love spending hours a day updating firmware and all this other jazz. Like downloading apps to customize something

An iPhone just works out of the box, does everything you want it to, and no headache.

I use an Android and don't spend hours a day updating firmware...the recent ICS update advertised itself on my phone, and took about 20 mins to download and install after I hit "ok." First firmware update I've done in almost a year.

You do realize that a large number of iPhone users "jailbreak" their phones because it does NOT do everything they want it to do, right?

/Had an iPhone
//Happy with my SII
///Could switch back depending on my options next year



That's because kids love messing with their phones. Mainly to download pay apps for free

Like I said, out of the box, with no customization, iPhone beats everything.
 
2012-07-24 07:16:19 PM

Allen. The end.: Hmm. They announced it RIGHT after the close of the market. Kooky!


Every time I recall it's been on a Tuesday, right after the markets close. Normal (for them)!
 
2012-07-24 07:22:48 PM

Justin Bieber's Acne Medication: What you're saying is that Google hasn't added any compelling features to Android since 2.1 or whenever. If they had, customers would care about getting a version with those features.


I don't know. The first Android update I installed dramatically improved the text select/copy/paste usability. I didn't know I was getting that, since like I said I don't really know or care which version of Android I run at any given time, but damn if it wasn't much improved. It's possible to appreciate compelling new features without knowing the version number of the OS.

The comparison to my car's firmware is silly, because firmware has no user-facing features.

No, it's apt. People think of their cars as machines to take them places. Almost nobody thinks about the software. That's very similar to the way I think about my Droid. It's a device that lets me do useful things. I don't really give a shiat how it does these things or whether it's running Android 6.2.41a.xz.3.14_nightly_release.
 
2012-07-24 07:25:07 PM

intelligent comment below: IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: intelligent comment below:
Like I said, out of the box, with no customization, iPhone beats everything.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-24 07:25:49 PM
Meanwhile on August 16th they are going to start paying $2.65 a share dividends to shareholders like me quarterly ...... YES ! BEER MONEY !
 
2012-07-24 07:42:34 PM

carnifex2005: Justin Bieber's Acne Medication: carnifex2005: Fragmentation fatigue? Lol! People have been saying that for a couple of years and that still hasn't slowed Android adoption one bit.

But it has:

{some graph}

Gets slower every release.

That's the speed of updates, not the speed of Android adoption. People still will buy phones and frankly not care much what OS it is running. That is the beauty of Android.


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I've seen a few posts lately referring to this 'android fragmentation' issue. Is this really a thing that causes problems for people, or is it some kind of FUD from competitors? I'm asking honestly, not trying to contradict it, just wondering if it's truth because my anecdotal evidence hasn't seen it.
I have an android tablet, I 'rooted' it and put some flavor of android (other than with stock firmware) on it shortly after I got it, maybe a year ago, and haven't changed it yet... since then I've never had a problem installing any apps I've ever attempted. Granted, I don't use the tablet a lot, because I find tablets to be ridiculously inferior to computers, but still, I've installed maybe a few dozen apps while trying it out, and never found my particular 'fragment' of 'droid to be an issue.
 
2012-07-24 08:00:23 PM

interesting times: Is this really a thing that causes problems for people, or is it some kind of FUD from competitors? I'm asking honestly, not trying to contradict it, just wondering if it's truth because my anecdotal evidence hasn't seen it.


It's not such a big deal for users, especially those on popular devices. But it is a headache for developers:

"I would have preferred spending that time on more content for you, but instead I was thanklessly modifying shaders and texture formats to work on different GPUs, or pushing out patches to support new devices without crashing, or walking someone through how to fix an installation that wouldn't go through. We spent thousands on various test hardware. These are the unsung necessities of offering our apps on Android."

I'm surprised that you've had no problems with your rooted tablet. I don't have one, but from what I've read, most Android apps are not prepared to run on a tablet screen size, and so end up looking kind of dumb.
 
2012-07-24 08:18:47 PM

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: intelligent comment below: An android is for idiots who love spending hours a day updating firmware and all this other jazz. Like downloading apps to customize something

An iPhone just works out of the box, does everything you want it to, and no headache.

I use an Android and don't spend hours a day updating firmware...the recent ICS update advertised itself on my phone, and took about 20 mins to download and install after I hit "ok." First firmware update I've done in almost a year.

You do realize that a large number of iPhone users "jailbreak" their phones because it does NOT do everything they want it to do, right?

/Had an iPhone
//Happy with my SII
///Could switch back depending on my options next year


i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-24 08:23:01 PM

instantwin: www.heise.de


LOLWAT

/i don't even leave my machine on 24/7 any more; it boots to the login screen in a few moments while I go for coffee/take a leak, come back, log in, handle something else mundane, voila INTERNETS
 
2012-07-24 08:30:01 PM

austin_millbarge: And if you want to see ugly, wait til people have had time to realize what fragmentation fatigue is in the Android market. It will take a few years but just like people who realize they've been served a shiat sandwich with Windows for over 2 decades and moved to OSX


A big, fat, impressive 10% of them.
 
2012-07-24 08:33:03 PM

Herr Flick's Revenge: They sold shipped 26 million iphones-I don't think they care.


A small difference between sold and shipped.
 
2012-07-24 09:09:25 PM

austin_millbarge: ecmoRandomNumbers: I think it's going to be uglier next quarter. I'm selling about one iPhone for every dozen or so Android phones. The demand for the Samsung Galaxy SIII is amazing. The iPhone 5 is going to have to be something absolutely phenomenal for Apple to get their market back. This is for Verizon, mind you. AT&T's iPhone numbers are much higher, I'm sure.

They never lost their market to begin with. Their numbers have risen steadily since the first iPhone was unveiled.

And if you want to see ugly, wait til people have had time to realize what fragmentation fatigue is in the Android market. It will take a few years but just like people who realize they've been served a shiat sandwich with Windows for over 2 decades and moved to OSX, the Android fatigue will push people to the iPhone and iOS over time.


After experiencing Jellybean with Project Butter, any human would be insane to go back to iOS. Even if you can get it with a decent screen size, finally.
 
2012-07-24 09:29:01 PM

interesting times: I've seen a few posts lately referring to this 'android fragmentation' issue. Is this really a thing that causes problems for people, or is it some kind of FUD from competitors? I'm asking honestly, not trying to contradict it, just wondering if it's truth because my anecdotal evidence hasn't seen it.


This post sums it up very well. If you're not doing games, it's not going to be a problem.

And no, no-one out there sees much problem. It's being massively overblown by fanboys because it's the last thing they're desperately clinging to, that somehow it will become a problem and everyone will go running to Apple. Reality is that phones are pretty much "done" and it will be more and more a market that competes on price.
 
2012-07-24 10:26:10 PM
farkeruk:....

This post sums it up very well. If you're not doing games, it's not going to be a problem.

And no, no-one out there sees much problem. It's being massively overblown by fanboys because it's the last thing they're desperately clinging to, that somehow it will become a problem and everyone will go running to Apple. Reality is that phones are pretty much "done" and it will be more and more a market that competes on price.

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interesting and informative post in your link.. thank you and Justin Bieber's Acne Medication both for quality (and surprisingly for fark non-mocking) replies
 
2012-07-24 10:35:59 PM

carnifex2005: IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: intelligent comment below: An android is for idiots who love spending hours a day updating firmware and all this other jazz. Like downloading apps to customize something

An iPhone just works out of the box, does everything you want it to, and no headache.

I use an Android and don't spend hours a day updating firmware...the recent ICS update advertised itself on my phone, and took about 20 mins to download and install after I hit "ok." First firmware update I've done in almost a year.

You do realize that a large number of iPhone users "jailbreak" their phones because it does NOT do everything they want it to do, right?

/Had an iPhone
//Happy with my SII
///Could switch back depending on my options next year

[i.imgur.com image 453x576]



How am I telling lies?

The average user doesn't need to customize anything, I was replying to a guy who admitted he just opened up the box, and started using the phone for emails, text, calls, and angry birds. That is the exact person who has no use for a customizable OS and belongs right at home with the iPhone
 
2012-07-24 10:40:09 PM

InmanRoshi: I dunno know about you guys, but I develop my personal and tribal identity around which consumer products I buy.


I used to, but I got tired of the endless warfare and conflict - so I moved to the Amazon and joined an actual tribe of savages. It's really a lot simpler.
 
2012-07-24 10:42:34 PM

intelligent comment below: carnifex2005: IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: intelligent comment below: An android is for idiots who love spending hours a day updating firmware and all this other jazz. Like downloading apps to customize something

An iPhone just works out of the box, does everything you want it to, and no headache.

I use an Android and don't spend hours a day updating firmware...the recent ICS update advertised itself on my phone, and took about 20 mins to download and install after I hit "ok." First firmware update I've done in almost a year.

You do realize that a large number of iPhone users "jailbreak" their phones because it does NOT do everything they want it to do, right?

/Had an iPhone
//Happy with my SII
///Could switch back depending on my options next year

[i.imgur.com image 453x576]


How am I telling lies?

The average user doesn't need to customize anything, I was replying to a guy who admitted he just opened up the box, and started using the phone for emails, text, calls, and angry birds. That is the exact person who has no use for a customizable OS and belongs right at home with the iPhone


I agree with you. That was for the person who said that Androids were for idiots who have to tweak it.
 
kab
2012-07-24 10:49:11 PM

InmanRoshi: I dunno know about you guys, but I develop my personal and tribal identity around which consumer products I buy.


Not only that, but I will vehemently defend the honor of my choice in pocket size communication devices until all nay-sayers are vanquished, or just move onto another topic. Because it's really... serious farking business, and these companies CARE about me personally.
 
2012-07-24 10:52:53 PM

carnifex2005: intelligent comment below: carnifex2005: IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: intelligent comment below: An android is for idiots who love spending hours a day updating firmware and all this other jazz. Like downloading apps to customize something

An iPhone just works out of the box, does everything you want it to, and no headache.

I use an Android and don't spend hours a day updating firmware...the recent ICS update advertised itself on my phone, and took about 20 mins to download and install after I hit "ok." First firmware update I've done in almost a year.

You do realize that a large number of iPhone users "jailbreak" their phones because it does NOT do everything they want it to do, right?

/Had an iPhone
//Happy with my SII
///Could switch back depending on my options next year

[i.imgur.com image 453x576]


How am I telling lies?

The average user doesn't need to customize anything, I was replying to a guy who admitted he just opened up the box, and started using the phone for emails, text, calls, and angry birds. That is the exact person who has no use for a customizable OS and belongs right at home with the iPhone

I agree with you. That was for the person who said that Androids were for idiots who have to tweak it.


That's exactly what people use the Android for. That's why you find hundreds of thousands of posts on forums with the latest firmware and apps to customize anything and everything. Out of the box the Android doesn't come close to measuring up to the iPhone. Which is why it has such a huge tweaking culture. You can keep digging yourself in a hole here if you want to keep replying
 
2012-07-24 11:26:52 PM

intelligent comment below: carnifex2005: intelligent comment below: carnifex2005: IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: intelligent comment below: An android is for idiots who love spending hours a day updating firmware and all this other jazz. Like downloading apps to customize something

An iPhone just works out of the box, does everything you want it to, and no headache.

I use an Android and don't spend hours a day updating firmware...the recent ICS update advertised itself on my phone, and took about 20 mins to download and install after I hit "ok." First firmware update I've done in almost a year.

You do realize that a large number of iPhone users "jailbreak" their phones because it does NOT do everything they want it to do, right?

/Had an iPhone
//Happy with my SII
///Could switch back depending on my options next year

[i.imgur.com image 453x576]


How am I telling lies?

The average user doesn't need to customize anything, I was replying to a guy who admitted he just opened up the box, and started using the phone for emails, text, calls, and angry birds. That is the exact person who has no use for a customizable OS and belongs right at home with the iPhone

I agree with you. That was for the person who said that Androids were for idiots who have to tweak it.

That's exactly what people use the Android for. That's why you find hundreds of thousands of posts on forums with the latest firmware and apps to customize anything and everything. Out of the box the Android doesn't come close to measuring up to the iPhone. Which is why it has such a huge tweaking culture. You can keep digging yourself in a hole here if you want to keep replying


And you're an idiot if you think that is why it is killing iOS in total usage.
 
2012-07-25 12:27:01 AM

theurge14: mstang1988: sprgrss: Fuggin Bizzy: FlashHarry: instantwin: [www.heise.de image 550x335]

i don't get it. what costs $99? apples new OS versions have been $29 for a few years now. or is this like the one-button mouse thing?

$29? That's way more than $0.

the only updates that cost money are the .5 up grades. So going from 12.1 to 12.2 is free, but going from 12.0 to 12.5 costs money.

But i see you don't care about that.
The thought is you are paying for a service pack which is free on Windows. I too have a mac. It is of my opinion and therefore I will concur that apple charges for a service pack and calls it a new OS and charges money for it.

Apple doesn't charge for service packs. They're called point updates (i.e. 10.7.3 to 10.7.4) and they're free in Software Update.

You're equating Windows service packs with new versions of OS X (i.e. 10.7 to 10.8). It might be because you don't have a use for the new features, it might be because you don't consider it a new version of the OS because the GUI looks the same to you.


The Windows and Mac ones are mixed up not because Apple charges for OS upgrades. OSX is both cheap and has no DRM, so you can just borrow a DVD if you don't care about that sort of thing. Apple users are saying, "Not Again" because OSX upgrades tend to require new hardware. Motorola to PPC, no OS9 support in Jag, PPC to Intel, lack of Rosetta support in Leopard, massive architectural changes to Lion that slow down even modern hardware, etc.

I still prefer OSX to Windows though. Having to boot Windows generally means I'm not going to have a good day. But I only do that about twice a year.
 
2012-07-25 01:07:25 AM

carnifex2005: And you're an idiot if you think that is why it is killing iOS in total usage.



No, it's because the kids always flock to the "newest" thing, and the iPhone is a few years old.

You're a small minority who love tweaking with phones like other nerds love overclocking computers.

Apple still has almost 30% of the market share. It's being killed by what, exactly? Apple is successful when it carves out a niche, it was never designed to control a dominant market share in anything.
 
2012-07-25 01:12:06 AM

someahole: massive architectural changes to Lion that slow down even modern hardware, etc.


Really? My 3.06 GHz C2D iMac has been running as fast or faster with Lion than it did with Snow Leopard. Of course, I'm also running with 16 GB of RAM, so that may be helping, as UNIX based OSes can never get enough RAM.

/My fingers are crossed that Mountain Lion will be a smooth upgrade tomorrow.
 
2012-07-25 01:26:46 AM

Mad_Radhu: someahole: massive architectural changes to Lion that slow down even modern hardware, etc.

Really? My 3.06 GHz C2D iMac has been running as fast or faster with Lion than it did with Snow Leopard. Of course, I'm also running with 16 GB of RAM, so that may be helping, as UNIX based OSes can never get enough RAM.

/My fingers are crossed that Mountain Lion will be a smooth upgrade tomorrow.


farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2012-07-25 02:41:40 AM

FlashHarry: Fuggin Bizzy: $29? That's way more than $0.

whoa - new operating systems from other companies are completely free? how does microsoft make any money!


Linux: Updates and new OS's are free. Updates vigorously.

M$: Updates are free, new OS's aren't. Updates are at least once a week.

AAPL: Updates are free, new OS's aren't.
 
2012-07-25 03:15:16 AM

dforkus: They still made 8.8 billion dollars this quarter. Yes, made, as in profit, not revenue...

Even with the dividend, the 100+ billion dollar cash pile still grew..

Yes, a disappointed AAPL long,,

Don't cry for me, still way up.


To put that in perspective my employer was in the S&P 500 before the crash and we had a market cap of 7.2B. AAPL is big enough that one quarters profit would buy another large company with enough left over to buy a fleet of G6's.
 
2012-07-25 05:42:38 AM

robodog: dforkus: They still made 8.8 billion dollars this quarter. Yes, made, as in profit, not revenue...

Even with the dividend, the 100+ billion dollar cash pile still grew..

Yes, a disappointed AAPL long,,

Don't cry for me, still way up.

To put that in perspective my employer was in the S&P 500 before the crash and we had a market cap of 7.2B. AAPL is big enough that one quarters profit would buy another large company with enough left over to buy a fleet of G6's.


world-viewer.com

They weren't all that expensive.
 
2012-07-25 06:03:55 AM

GAT_00: Goddamn is business analysis stupid. Shares are FALLING on the grounds that they made more than $8 billion dollars in three months.


I know this has been explained to you many times, but stock prices are the value of the expected free cash flows of a company. If those numbers dip then the value of the stock will decrease. Your system makes no sense, if I expected a company to have $1 Trillion dollars in free cash flows but only had $0.8 Trillion, then I had over valued the stock and the price will decrease.
 
2012-07-25 08:07:00 AM

intelligent comment below: You're a small minority who love tweaking with phones like other nerds love overclocking computers.

Apple still has almost 30% of the market share. It's being killed by what, exactly? Apple is successful when it carves out a niche, it was never designed to control a dominant market share in anything.


Haha. Yeah, keep thinking that.

Here's the nub of it: I'm pretty anti-Apple, but I told my wife to go into Vodafone and try out the phones and pick the one she liked. She liked the Galaxy S2. The S2 was £26/month instead of £36/month for the iPhone 4S.

My father-in-law wanted a phone with occassional internet. He paid cash for the phone and got a Desire S for about £225. Cheapest iPhone? £360.

And here's the problem: this is going to get worse for Apple because phones are now evolving very slowly. I have a Nexus S and there's not enough in the S2 or S3 that mean I'll sign up for another 2 year contract. TBH if my Nexus S died, I'd probably pay cash for the same phone, sim free. That means that being able to sell premium phones is going to get to be more difficult, in the same way that selling high megapixel cameras is.
 
2012-07-25 11:08:59 AM

Mad_Radhu: During roughly the same timeframe as the XP to Vista lifecycle.


Lifecycle?

Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
Release date: 8-28-2009
End of support: 7-25-2012
Total "lifecycle":

Windows XP
Release date: 8-24-2001
End of support: 4-8-2014
Total "lifecycle": 12+ years

Number of paid Apple "upgrades" from 2001 through Lion in order to continue to get security patches today: 6

Total cost: Since machines purchased in 2001 were obsoleted in Leopard, and PowerPC machines bought with Leopard were obsoleted AGAIN in Snow Leopard, you would have had to buy two new machines plus point upgrades to get to Lion and still receive security updates today.
 
2012-07-25 11:16:54 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: I think it's going to be uglier next quarter. I'm selling about one iPhone for every dozen or so Android phones. The demand for the Samsung Galaxy SIII is amazing. The iPhone 5 is going to have to be something absolutely phenomenal for Apple to get their market back. This is for Verizon, mind you. AT&T's iPhone numbers are much higher, I'm sure.


Most people are holding out for the next iphone. As it is I have many a friend in the wireless industry on the front lines selling phones and their iPhones still outsell Android on a daily basis. as much as I have a disdain for iOS which is not moving forward but regressing it still sells out.


/analysts are morons. Listening to the radio this morning and one guy was going on about how disappointed he was that Apple didn't hit their goal. Yet they racked in all that cash, it just boggles my mind and it makes me realize why we are so greedy as a culture.
 
2012-07-25 01:40:30 PM
InmanRoshi: I dunno know about you guys, but I develop my personal and tribal identity around which consumer products I buy.

Almost as silly as people who develop their personal and tribal identity around blind hatred of some consumer product or company.
 
2012-07-25 04:39:50 PM

intelligent comment below: The average user doesn't need to customize anything, I was replying to a guy who admitted he just opened up the box, and started using the phone for emails, text, calls, and angry birds. That is the exact person who has no use for a customizable OS and belongs right at home with the iPhone


Again, I had an iPhone through the 3s. Some of the reasons why I left the iPhone for the SII:

- iPhone is slower
- iPhone wasn't even offered on the carrier I chose to go with at the time (a $40+/mo difference alone)
- iPhone has a smaller screen
- iPhone doesn't have self-upgradeable SIM's, I have to pay $$$ to get extra built-in storage
- Have to use iTunes to load music onto it (unless it's changed, haven't paid attention in a while)

In essence, when it comes to calls, texts, emails and apps, I get the same experience in the Android "eco-system" as I did in the iOS one, but on a better phone that costs me less.
 
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