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2012-07-24 04:42:54 PM
Praise the good Lord for put spreads. Covered my long stock real nice like
 
2012-07-24 04:43:23 PM
damn, they didn't destroy the competition by as wide a margin as expected...that's gonna hurt their stock price...
 
2012-07-24 04:44:12 PM
Can someone sum this up with an appropriate 3-panel comic strip?
 
2012-07-24 04:46:40 PM

skullkrusher: Praise the good Lord for put spreads. Covered my long stock real nice like


Shhhhhh.....You might get accused of being a one percenter. Of not deserving your gains.
 
2012-07-24 04:47:26 PM
So this is why they don't have to pay taxes, right? I guess that makes sense then.
 
2012-07-24 04:51:01 PM
A measly EPS of $9.32 for the quarter? Those farkin' losers.
 
2012-07-24 04:51:21 PM
"Wall Street expected Apple to ship 29 million iPhones during the June quarter and actual iPhone shipments came in at just 26 million units"

Only 26 million? Ouch!
 
2012-07-24 04:54:32 PM

Joce678: "Wall Street expected Apple to ship 29 million iPhones during the June quarter and actual iPhone shipments came in at just 26 million units"

Only 26 million? Ouch!


Those failure turtles. Apple is run by failure turtles.
 
2012-07-24 04:54:51 PM
Shares down 5% in after hours
 
2012-07-24 04:55:59 PM
Yeah, I'm sure they're hurting. Poor guys.

/What do you mean those sheep can't afford to buy a new $2000 laptop, $300 phone, and $600 tablet every year? That's just half a days salary!
 
2012-07-24 04:56:16 PM

Savian: Can someone sum this up with an appropriate 3-panel comic strip?


Is four okay?

i1194.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-24 04:57:27 PM
So the Foxconn rebrander is mortal after all. (I'm posting this from my fondleslab.)
 
2012-07-24 04:58:56 PM
Keep f*cking that chicken.
 
2012-07-24 04:59:18 PM
Good time to pick up AAPL shares.. Donno why everyone freaks on lower sales right before impending new iPhone releases
 
2012-07-24 05:00:40 PM
I think it's going to be uglier next quarter. I'm selling about one iPhone for every dozen or so Android phones. The demand for the Samsung Galaxy SIII is amazing. The iPhone 5 is going to have to be something absolutely phenomenal for Apple to get their market back. This is for Verizon, mind you. AT&T's iPhone numbers are much higher, I'm sure.
 
2012-07-24 05:00:51 PM
Weird, much bigger than Big Oil companies, sitting on over a hundred billion in cash, produces gimmicky toys nobody really needs, massive outsourcer....

Liberals love em.

Whack, wiggedy whack.
 
2012-07-24 05:01:30 PM

georgeyporgey: skullkrusher: Praise the good Lord for put spreads. Covered my long stock real nice like

Shhhhhh.....You might get accused of being a one percenter. Of not deserving your gains.


hehe I'm not gonna become a 1%er by not LOSING as much money as I could have
 
2012-07-24 05:02:41 PM

georgeyporgey: skullkrusher: Praise the good Lord for put spreads. Covered my long stock real nice like

Shhhhhh.....You might get accused of being a one percenter. Of not deserving your gains.


Or worse, a speculator.
 
2012-07-24 05:03:24 PM
www.heise.de
 
2012-07-24 05:06:10 PM

instantwin: [www.heise.de image 550x335]


i don't get it. what costs $99? apples new OS versions have been $29 for a few years now. or is this like the one-button mouse thing?
 
2012-07-24 05:09:02 PM
They still made 8.8 billion dollars this quarter. Yes, made, as in profit, not revenue...

Even with the dividend, the 100+ billion dollar cash pile still grew..

Yes, a disappointed AAPL long,,

Don't cry for me, still way up.
 
2012-07-24 05:09:29 PM
Watch out Apple, there's a new player in town....

Uncle Ben's To Compete Against Apple With Brand-New Smartphone
 
2012-07-24 05:09:47 PM

FlashHarry: instantwin: [www.heise.de image 550x335]

i don't get it. what costs $99? apples new OS versions have been $29 for a few years now. or is this like the one-button mouse thing?


$29? That's way more than $0.
 
2012-07-24 05:09:59 PM
Wall Street analysts? Who are these guys? What purpose do they serve? Who cares what they think?
 
2012-07-24 05:10:48 PM
Goddamn is business analysis stupid. Shares are FALLING on the grounds that they made more than $8 billion dollars in three months.
 
2012-07-24 05:12:04 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: $29? That's way more than $0.


whoa - new operating systems from other companies are completely free? how does microsoft make any money!
 
2012-07-24 05:14:09 PM

GAT_00: Goddamn is business analysis stupid. Shares are FALLING on the grounds that they made more than $8 billion dollars in three months.


Stock prices reflect expectations. When those expectations aren't realized, the stock adjusts immediately to reflect reality combined with whatever future expectations now are.
 
2012-07-24 05:14:56 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: I think it's going to be uglier next quarter. I'm selling about one iPhone for every dozen or so Android phones. The demand for the Samsung Galaxy SIII is amazing. The iPhone 5 is going to have to be something absolutely phenomenal for Apple to get their market back. This is for Verizon, mind you. AT&T's iPhone numbers are much higher, I'm sure.


I'm not worried. I hear the iPhone 5 comes with all iTunes updates for the next decade already installed and Siri flirts with you if you order delivery for five consecutive days. There's even rumors that some exclusive models will be available that will include a strand of Steve Jobs' hair that is shellacked into the case. It makes the shape of the Apple logo.
 
2012-07-24 05:15:00 PM
you mean they beat their own estimates, but didn't beat numbers made up by people who have no real insight into the company? that's a great reason to panic. sell everything.
 
2012-07-24 05:15:11 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: FlashHarry: instantwin: [www.heise.de image 550x335]

i don't get it. what costs $99? apples new OS versions have been $29 for a few years now. or is this like the one-button mouse thing?

$29? That's way more than $0.


the only updates that cost money are the .5 up grades. So going from 12.1 to 12.2 is free, but going from 12.0 to 12.5 costs money.

But i see you don't care about that.
 
2012-07-24 05:17:46 PM

FlashHarry: i don't get it. what costs $99? apples new OS versions have been $29 for a few years now. or is this like the one-button mouse thing?


mountain lion is priced at $19.99.
 
2012-07-24 05:18:04 PM

Joce678: "Wall Street expected Apple to ship 29 million iPhones during the June quarter and actual iPhone shipments came in at just 26 million units"

Only 26 million? Ouch!


When your fame and fortune comes from non-stop growth, ouch. Apple have been here before with the original Mac. Brilliant design, excellent interface, stop innovating, sales plateau, rivals get ahead, try to sue them away, fail, plummet in the market.
 
2012-07-24 05:19:04 PM
Down $30/share because they didn't meet expectations set out by investors who more or less assume what the company should actually make.

And we wonder why banks and investment firms are usually the beginning of our financial collapses.
 
2012-07-24 05:19:42 PM

shiate: FlashHarry: i don't get it. what costs $99? apples new OS versions have been $29 for a few years now. or is this like the one-button mouse thing?

mountain lion is priced at $19.99.


even better.

/beta testing it now
 
2012-07-24 05:19:54 PM

shiate: you mean they beat their own estimates, but didn't beat numbers made up by people who have no real insight into the company? that's a great reason to panic. sell everything.


Unfortunately that's the way it works. Gets even stupider when you consider what they call the "whisper numbers".
 
2012-07-24 05:21:17 PM

FlashHarry: instantwin: [www.heise.de image 550x335]
i don't get it. what costs $99?

sprgrss:
the only updates that cost money are the .5 up grades.


Relax guys, or the foam will drop on your shiny toy.
It's just a joke for non-fanbois.
 
2012-07-24 05:21:43 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: I think it's going to be uglier next quarter. I'm selling about one iPhone for every dozen or so Android phones. The demand for the Samsung Galaxy SIII is amazing. The iPhone 5 is going to have to be something absolutely phenomenal for Apple to get their market back. This is for Verizon, mind you. AT&T's iPhone numbers are much higher, I'm sure.


I hate Apple too, but "I have a very narrow range of experience with a small part of their revenue stream and admit another gigantic and possibly game-changing product release is right around the corner but still THEY'RE FARKED" doesn't seem like sound financial advice.
 
2012-07-24 05:24:01 PM

austin_millbarge: shiate: you mean they beat their own estimates, but didn't beat numbers made up by people who have no real insight into the company? that's a great reason to panic. sell everything.

Unfortunately that's the way it works. Gets even stupider when you consider what they call the "whisper numbers".


'Because they expected greater than expected numbers' is hard to wrap your head around.
 
2012-07-24 05:24:42 PM

instantwin: It's just a joke for non-fanbois.


but i though jokes were supposed to be funny.

like this one:
img.skitch.com
 
2012-07-24 05:24:45 PM

Nem Wan: Wall Street analysts? Who are these guys? What purpose do they serve? Who cares what they think?


They're the advisors to the wealthy people (and more importantly pension and mutual funds) who own most of the large companies in America. Companies are valued by what it earn over say 10-30 years (Apple and other growing companies are at the longer end of that range, more predictable companies are at the shorter end of that range). Their collective forecasts for those earnings are valuable enough that the wealthy people basically price things at those expectations (until something like today means they will change). Big enough funds will have their own analysts, as well, but that's pretty expensive.
 
2012-07-24 05:25:28 PM

sprgrss: Fuggin Bizzy: FlashHarry: instantwin: [www.heise.de image 550x335]

i don't get it. what costs $99? apples new OS versions have been $29 for a few years now. or is this like the one-button mouse thing?

$29? That's way more than $0.

the only updates that cost money are the .5 up grades. So going from 12.1 to 12.2 is free, but going from 12.0 to 12.5 costs money.

But i see you don't care about that.

The thought is you are paying for a service pack which is free on Windows. I too have a mac. It is of my opinion and therefore I will concur that apple charges for a service pack and calls it a new OS and charges money for it.
 
2012-07-24 05:28:06 PM

mstang1988: sprgrss: Fuggin Bizzy: FlashHarry: instantwin: [www.heise.de image 550x335]

i don't get it. what costs $99? apples new OS versions have been $29 for a few years now. or is this like the one-button mouse thing?

$29? That's way more than $0.

the only updates that cost money are the .5 up grades. So going from 12.1 to 12.2 is free, but going from 12.0 to 12.5 costs money.

But i see you don't care about that.
The thought is you are paying for a service pack which is free on Windows. I too have a mac. It is of my opinion and therefore I will concur that apple charges for a service pack and calls it a new OS and charges money for it.


If you don't tell the apple associate what OS you're upgrading from you can go from just about any OS X versions to the new one with the $29 disc.
 
2012-07-24 05:28:15 PM
See? SEE!!?!

/I got nuthin...
 
2012-07-24 05:28:29 PM
LOL. these comments.
Apple haters gonna hate.
Apple could come out with a solid gold blowjob machine that converted semen to money and ran on nutsweat, and haters would still find something to hate about it.
 
2012-07-24 05:28:47 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: I think it's going to be uglier next quarter. I'm selling about one iPhone for every dozen or so Android phones. The demand for the Samsung Galaxy SIII is amazing. The iPhone 5 is going to have to be something absolutely phenomenal for Apple to get their market back. This is for Verizon, mind you. AT&T's iPhone numbers are much higher, I'm sure.


AT&T: 3.7M iphones out of 5.1M smartphones (72%)
verizon: 2.7M iphones out of 5.6M smarthpones (48%)

is there any other single vendor that makes up that much of a percentage of sales? hint: don't say 'android', android is not a vendor.
 
2012-07-24 05:29:03 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: I think it's going to be uglier next quarter. I'm selling about one iPhone for every dozen or so Android phones. The demand for the Samsung Galaxy SIII is amazing. The iPhone 5 is going to have to be something absolutely phenomenal for Apple to get their market back. This is for Verizon, mind you. AT&T's iPhone numbers are much higher, I'm sure.


They never lost their market to begin with. Their numbers have risen steadily since the first iPhone was unveiled.

And if you want to see ugly, wait til people have had time to realize what fragmentation fatigue is in the Android market. It will take a few years but just like people who realize they've been served a shiat sandwich with Windows for over 2 decades and moved to OSX, the Android fatigue will push people to the iPhone and iOS over time.
 
2012-07-24 05:30:27 PM

sprgrss: But i see you don't care about that.


CORRECT!

Have a cookie. You've earned it.
 
2012-07-24 05:30:49 PM

schattenteufel: LOL. these comments.
Apple haters gonna hate.
Apple could come out with a solid gold blowjob machine that converted semen to money and ran on nutsweat, and haters would still find something to hate about it.



People 'hate' on Apple and then a bunch of people get all bent out of shape about it. They get mad because someone insults a corporation. Now that's sad.
 
2012-07-24 05:30:51 PM

schattenteufel: LOL. these comments.
Apple haters gonna hate.
Apple could come out with a solid gold blowjob machine that converted semen to money and ran on nutsweat, and haters would still find something to hate about it.


Well, if the sumbiatch don't run on 4G, you're goddamn right! :)
 
2012-07-24 05:32:59 PM

austin_millbarge: And if you want to see ugly, wait til people have had time to realize what fragmentation fatigue is in the Android market. It will take a few years but just like people who realize they've been served a shiat sandwich with Windows for over 2 decades and moved to OSX, the Android fatigue will push people to the iPhone and iOS over time.


Meh, I've had both. I finally got the ICS update for my Galaxy SII. Some nice updates but it's not like I was pining for it for a year and I see no need to move to an SIII anytime soon.
 
2012-07-24 05:33:53 PM

NutznGum: People 'hate' on Apple and then a bunch of people get all bent out of shape about it. They get mad because someone insults a corporation. Now that's sad.


Who's getting bent out of shape? it looks like a lot of FUD was thrown around a few people were correcting it.

Attributing emotional intent to responses with dry factual information in text form says more about you than it does about them.
 
2012-07-24 05:34:34 PM
Yeah the SIII is taking the market to pieces right now. Our mobile dist clients just cannot keep up with demand.

its also interesting that the thing is the least iLookalike thing samsung has done in the space and its a bigger hit by far.

Apple will not be enjoying this at all.
 
2012-07-24 05:35:52 PM

FlashHarry: instantwin: It's just a joke for non-fanbois.

but i though jokes were supposed to be funny.


25.media.tumblr.com

/sorry for too old
 
2012-07-24 05:37:34 PM

MightyPez: NutznGum: People 'hate' on Apple and then a bunch of people get all bent out of shape about it. They get mad because someone insults a corporation. Now that's sad.

Who's getting bent out of shape? it looks like a lot of FUD was thrown around a few people were correcting it.

Attributing emotional intent to responses with dry factual information in text form says more about you than it does about them.


You're right, there are no Apple fanbois anywhere, ever. No one ever whiteknights for them in Fark threads.
 
2012-07-24 05:40:57 PM

mstang1988: sprgrss: Fuggin Bizzy: FlashHarry: instantwin: [www.heise.de image 550x335]

i don't get it. what costs $99? apples new OS versions have been $29 for a few years now. or is this like the one-button mouse thing?

$29? That's way more than $0.

the only updates that cost money are the .5 up grades. So going from 12.1 to 12.2 is free, but going from 12.0 to 12.5 costs money.

But i see you don't care about that.
The thought is you are paying for a service pack which is free on Windows. I too have a mac. It is of my opinion and therefore I will concur that apple charges for a service pack and calls it a new OS and charges money for it.


Apple doesn't charge for service packs. They're called point updates (i.e. 10.7.3 to 10.7.4) and they're free in Software Update.

You're equating Windows service packs with new versions of OS X (i.e. 10.7 to 10.8). It might be because you don't have a use for the new features, it might be because you don't consider it a new version of the OS because the GUI looks the same to you.
 
2012-07-24 05:41:51 PM
I dunno know about you guys, but I develop my personal and tribal identity around which consumer products I buy.
 
2012-07-24 05:42:53 PM

instantwin: FlashHarry: instantwin: It's just a joke for non-fanbois.

but i though jokes were supposed to be funny.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 550x383]

/sorry for too old


ok, now THAT'S funny.
 
2012-07-24 05:46:21 PM
Boy, this would be a lot less interesting if analysts could read press releases.

Apple three months ago: Looking ahead to the third fiscal quarter, we expect revenue of about $34 billion and diluted earnings per share of about $8.68.

Apple today: The Company posted quarterly revenue of $35.0 billion and quarterly net profit of $8.8 billion, or $9.32 per diluted share.
 
2012-07-24 05:46:36 PM

NutznGum: MightyPez: NutznGum: People 'hate' on Apple and then a bunch of people get all bent out of shape about it. They get mad because someone insults a corporation. Now that's sad.

Who's getting bent out of shape? it looks like a lot of FUD was thrown around a few people were correcting it.

Attributing emotional intent to responses with dry factual information in text form says more about you than it does about them.

You're right, there are no Apple fanbois anywhere, ever. No one ever whiteknights for them in Fark threads.


You're getting bent out shape, because other people got bent out shape.
 
2012-07-24 05:47:06 PM
I sold my AAPL stock around ~$120 a few years ago, including a couple shares that I bought at $170. At the time, I wasn't expecting people to throw down a lot of money on smartphone and data plans amid rapidly growing unemployment, and I didn't think a $500-$700 iPad would get much traction for similar reasons (large household debt, weakening employment number, etc.). Oops.
 
2012-07-24 05:47:44 PM
Hmm. They announced it RIGHT after the close of the market. Kooky!
 
2012-07-24 05:47:53 PM

InmanRoshi: I dunno know about you guys, but I develop my personal and tribal identity around which consumer products I buy.


That's weird. My personal and tribal identities decide which consumer products I buy.

/or do they?
 
2012-07-24 05:48:17 PM

austin_millbarge: ecmoRandomNumbers: I think it's going to be uglier next quarter. I'm selling about one iPhone for every dozen or so Android phones. The demand for the Samsung Galaxy SIII is amazing. The iPhone 5 is going to have to be something absolutely phenomenal for Apple to get their market back. This is for Verizon, mind you. AT&T's iPhone numbers are much higher, I'm sure.

They never lost their market to begin with. Their numbers have risen steadily since the first iPhone was unveiled.

And if you want to see ugly, wait til people have had time to realize what fragmentation fatigue is in the Android market. It will take a few years but just like people who realize they've been served a shiat sandwich with Windows for over 2 decades and moved to OSX, the Android fatigue will push people to the iPhone and iOS over time.


Fragmentation fatigue? Lol! People have been saying that for a couple of years and that still hasn't slowed Android adoption one bit.
 
2012-07-24 05:48:37 PM
Funny the only people concerned the price is down on this news are silly people.

In at $107 and staying in for the long haul. So its down $30 bucks....its still up like $500 so i really do not care.

Wall Street has always reacted bad to good news and good to bad news from Apple.
 
2012-07-24 05:49:39 PM

gaspode: Yeah the SIII is taking the market to pieces right now. Our mobile dist clients just cannot keep up with demand.

its also interesting that the thing is the least iLookalike thing samsung has done in the space and its a bigger hit by far.

Apple will not be enjoying this at all.


They sold 26 million iphones-I don't think they care.
Android still kind of sucks.
Typing this on my S3, but there are a lot of small things on ios that are so much better then android.
 
2012-07-24 05:52:49 PM

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: NutznGum: MightyPez: NutznGum: People 'hate' on Apple and then a bunch of people get all bent out of shape about it. They get mad because someone insults a corporation. Now that's sad.

Who's getting bent out of shape? it looks like a lot of FUD was thrown around a few people were correcting it.

Attributing emotional intent to responses with dry factual information in text form says more about you than it does about them.

You're right, there are no Apple fanbois anywhere, ever. No one ever whiteknights for them in Fark threads.

You're getting bent out of shape, because other people got bent out of shape.


FTFM
 
2012-07-24 05:53:36 PM

WxGuy1: I sold my AAPL stock around ~$120 a few years ago, including a couple shares that I bought at $170. At the time, I wasn't expecting people to throw down a lot of money on smartphone and data plans amid rapidly growing unemployment, and I didn't think a $500-$700 iPad would get much traction for similar reasons (large household debt, weakening employment number, etc.). Oops.


time to take a nibble for the long haul
 
2012-07-24 05:55:05 PM

Herr Flick's Revenge:

They sold 26 million iphones-I don't think they care.
Android still kind of sucks.
Typing this on my S3, but there are a lot of small things on ios that are so much better then android.


Hey I'm just saying what I am seeing in the systems I work on and what resellers are telling us when we are in their offices. SIII alone will likely come close to matching iPhone sales over these couple of months which is a real change.
 
2012-07-24 05:55:45 PM

theurge14: mstang1988: sprgrss: Fuggin Bizzy: FlashHarry: instantwin: [www.heise.de image 550x335]

i don't get it. what costs $99? apples new OS versions have been $29 for a few years now. or is this like the one-button mouse thing?

$29? That's way more than $0.

the only updates that cost money are the .5 up grades. So going from 12.1 to 12.2 is free, but going from 12.0 to 12.5 costs money.

But i see you don't care about that.
The thought is you are paying for a service pack which is free on Windows. I too have a mac. It is of my opinion and therefore I will concur that apple charges for a service pack and calls it a new OS and charges money for it.

Apple doesn't charge for service packs. They're called point updates (i.e. 10.7.3 to 10.7.4) and they're free in Software Update.

You're equating Windows service packs with new versions of OS X (i.e. 10.7 to 10.8). It might be because you don't have a use for the new features, it might be because you don't consider it a new version of the OS because the GUI looks the same to you.

I'm well aware of what you are talking about. Windows delivers new function in service packs much like OSX delivers in the 10.7 to 10.8 updates. It just depends on what a company calls a new OS level and when they charge for it. Take Windows XP. The functionality it supported from release to the most recent service pack is vastly different. Again, I love my Mac but I do feel the 10.7 to 10.8 type updates are the equivalent of a Windows SP.
 
2012-07-24 06:02:55 PM

instantwin: [www.heise.de image 550x335]


You ARE aware that currently it costs $129 to go from Windows NT 6.0 to 6.1, and it will cost another $40 to upgrade from version 6.1 to 6.2, don't you? That's a tad bit more expensive than the OS X 10.5 to 10.6 ($29) to 10.7 ($29) to 10.8 ($19) total upgrade cost of a Mac user during the same time period. If you look at the features changed between Vista and Windows 8 compared to the Leopard to Mountain Lion changes, it's a roughly similar level of upgrade (setting aside the start screen added to Win 8, which is a large, albeit dubious, change).
 
2012-07-24 06:09:09 PM

carnifex2005: Fragmentation fatigue? Lol! People have been saying that for a couple of years and that still hasn't slowed Android adoption one bit.


But it has:

cdn.androidpolice.com

Gets slower every release.
 
2012-07-24 06:12:57 PM

Justin Bieber's Acne Medication: carnifex2005: Fragmentation fatigue? Lol! People have been saying that for a couple of years and that still hasn't slowed Android adoption one bit.

But it has:

[cdn.androidpolice.com image 850x459]

Gets slower every release.


That's the speed of updates, not the speed of Android adoption. People still will buy phones and frankly not care much what OS it is running. That is the beauty of Android.
 
2012-07-24 06:13:12 PM

Mad_Radhu: instantwin: [www.heise.de image 550x335]

You ARE aware that currently it costs $129 to go from Windows NT 6.0 to 6.1, and it will cost another $40 to upgrade from version 6.1 to 6.2, don't you? That's a tad bit more expensive than the OS X 10.5 to 10.6 ($29) to 10.7 ($29) to 10.8 ($19) total upgrade cost of a Mac user during the same time period. If you look at the features changed between Vista and Windows 8 compared to the Leopard to Mountain Lion changes, it's a roughly similar level of upgrade (setting aside the start screen added to Win 8, which is a large, albeit dubious, change).
The thing about Windows is a new version seems to come out about the time my previous computer has become obsolete. Buy a new machine with the OS installed. It's cheap. Not that I have a problem with Apple products, just that I'm cheap and I'm used to Windows. $300 for a new box is hard to beat.

 
2012-07-24 06:19:44 PM

Cooper420: Down $30/share because they didn't meet expectations set out by investors who more or less assume what the company should actually make.

And we wonder why banks and investment firms are usually the beginning of our financial collapses.


This is why I do not favor publicly traded companies any longer. They essentially dabble into fortune telling, and the investors react to said fortune telling. Then, when the prediction turns out to be 97% accurate, everyone reacts like it's the end of the world. Nevermind that you MADE MONEY. Nevermind the fact your business grew. No, it's just not some weird hypothetical number you pulled out of your ass. Meanwhile, your company has gone to shiat because you put all your resources, stretched your business too thin, and pissed off too many customers to meet an IMAGINARY NUMBER. Fark. That. SHIAT.
 
2012-07-24 06:22:48 PM

mstang1988: I'm well aware of what you are talking about. Windows delivers new function in service packs much like OSX delivers in the 10.7 to 10.8 updates. It just depends on what a company calls a new OS level and when they charge for it. Take Windows XP. The functionality it supported from release to the most recent service pack is vastly different. Again, I love my Mac but I do feel the 10.7 to 10.8 type updates are the equivalent of a Windows SP.


What majorly changed between XP Gold and SP3? They added some settings for default programs, added a firewall, added NX bit support, changed the loading screen, and made using WiFi not suck as hard. These changes really didn't have any major effect on the look or feel of XP, at least not compared with going from this:

macgateway.com

to this:

3.bp.blogspot.com

During roughly the same timeframe as the XP to Vista lifecycle. Sure there were some changes with XP, but not a whole lot that your typical user would notice like they would things like Mission Control, Launchpad, AirDrop, Lion Recovery, or the new trackpad gestures added in the last Lion update. In terms of major features, Vista SP 2 to Win 7 is probably about the same as Snow Leopard to Lion (or Leopard to Lion, if you are looking at a similar time period between major updates)
 
2012-07-24 06:26:50 PM

Thunderpipes: Weird, much bigger than Big Oil companies, sitting on over a hundred billion in cash, produces gimmicky toys nobody really needs, massive outsourcer....

Liberals love em.

Whack, wiggedy whack.



I know! Why don't liberals like oil companies? It's not like oil companies are responsible for massive pollution, fund scientific studies denying man made global warming, and sit on the largest profits while complaining about regulation and taxes. Stupid libtards!
 
2012-07-24 06:29:24 PM

intelligent comment below: Thunderpipes: Weird, much bigger than Big Oil companies, sitting on over a hundred billion in cash, produces gimmicky toys nobody really needs, massive outsourcer....

Liberals love em.

Whack, wiggedy whack.


I know! Why don't liberals like oil companies? It's not like oil companies are responsible for massive pollution, fund scientific studies denying man made global warming, and sit on the largest profits while complaining about regulation and taxes. Stupid libtards!


That's funny because...
 
2012-07-24 06:30:28 PM

carnifex2005: People still will buy phones and frankly not care much what OS it is running. That is the beauty of Android.


How the heck is that "beautiful?"
 
2012-07-24 06:30:36 PM

blipponaut: The thing about Windows is a new version seems to come out about the time my previous computer has become obsolete. Buy a new machine with the OS installed. It's cheap. Not that I have a problem with Apple products, just that I'm cheap and I'm used to Windows. $300 for a new box is hard to beat.


That used to be true ten years ago, but with the 3 year Windows release cycle combined with processor speeds hitting a bit of a ceiling, where a quad core i7 system is crazy fast, but excluding gaming and high end content creation, that new box isn't all that noticeably faster than a fast Core 2 Duo. I can see a lot of people who bought a decent computer 3 years ago still being able to get a lot of life out of it with some RAM and hard drive upgrades. An SSD especially breathes new life into a lot of older systems.
 
2012-07-24 06:32:00 PM
As someone who works on both, all I'm saying is, if you have an Apple, you had better damn well pony up for AppleCare, because if something dies inside that MacBook or iMac, yer farked. It's not like replacing anything in a Windows tower. Link
 
2012-07-24 06:36:56 PM

mstang1988: I love my Mac but I do feel the 10.7 to 10.8 type updates are the equivalent of a Windows SP.



As opposed to Windows Vista -> Windows 7 -> Windows 8
 
2012-07-24 06:37:39 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: I think it's going to be uglier next quarter. I'm selling about one iPhone for every dozen or so Android phones. The demand for the Samsung Galaxy SIII is amazing. The iPhone 5 is going to have to be something absolutely phenomenal for Apple to get their market back. This is for Verizon, mind you. AT&T's iPhone numbers are much higher, I'm sure.


The iPhone 5 will be the most awesomest phone ever made. Its name has 5 in it ffs. No other phone has that.

/Galaxy SIII owner
 
2012-07-24 06:37:47 PM

Justin Bieber's Acne Medication: carnifex2005: People still will buy phones and frankly not care much what OS it is running. That is the beauty of Android.

How the heck is that "beautiful?"


Do you care what version of firmware your car's computer runs? Do you want to care, or would you rather just drive somewhere to do something? I'm a software developer for a fortune 82 company. Day in and day out it's my job to think about our product versions, the differences between them, and how those differences impact customers.

When I pick up my Droid, I just want to text my wife, check FB to see what my friends are up to, and shoot some birds at some pigs. I honestly have no idea what version of Android I'm running, and I don't care as long as it works. That's how it's beautiful.
 
2012-07-24 06:39:15 PM

oh_please: As someone who works on both, all I'm saying is, if you have an Apple, you had better damn well pony up for AppleCare, because if something dies inside that MacBook or iMac, yer farked. It's not like replacing anything in a Windows tower. Link


Yeah, the new iMacs are a huge pain, and you can't do ANYTHING with the MacBook Airs. I do have to say that my wife's white Macbook was really easy to do a hard drive and RAM upgrade on, however. I just popped off the bottom of the case and both were easily accessible.
 
2012-07-24 06:39:51 PM

Ed Finnerty: intelligent comment below: Thunderpipes: Weird, much bigger than Big Oil companies, sitting on over a hundred billion in cash, produces gimmicky toys nobody really needs, massive outsourcer....

Liberals love em.

Whack, wiggedy whack.


I know! Why don't liberals like oil companies? It's not like oil companies are responsible for massive pollution, fund scientific studies denying man made global warming, and sit on the largest profits while complaining about regulation and taxes. Stupid libtards!

That's funny because...



That's funny because... banks are ALSO loved by libtards! What a coincidence!
 
2012-07-24 06:40:57 PM

WxGuy1: I sold my AAPL stock around ~$120 a few years ago, including a couple shares that I bought at $170. At the time, I wasn't expecting people to throw down a lot of money on smartphone and data plans amid rapidly growing unemployment


Even the worst depressions happen on the margins. Easy to forget that reading the usual Fark thread full of whiners.
 
2012-07-24 06:42:00 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: When I pick up my Droid, I just want to text my wife, check FB to see what my friends are up to, and shoot some birds at some pigs. I honestly have no idea what version of Android I'm running, and I don't care as long as it works. That's how it's beautiful.



Strange, the iPhone is perfect for someone like you.
 
2012-07-24 06:48:12 PM

intelligent comment below: Fuggin Bizzy: When I pick up my Droid, I just want to text my wife, check FB to see what my friends are up to, and shoot some birds at some pigs. I honestly have no idea what version of Android I'm running, and I don't care as long as it works. That's how it's beautiful.


Strange, the iPhone is perfect for someone like you.


Strange. I was about to say "Strange, the Android is perfect for someone like you".
 
2012-07-24 06:48:43 PM

intelligent comment below: Fuggin Bizzy: When I pick up my Droid, I just want to text my wife, check FB to see what my friends are up to, and shoot some birds at some pigs. I honestly have no idea what version of Android I'm running, and I don't care as long as it works. That's how it's beautiful.

Strange, the iPhone is perfect for someone like you.


I guess that's an insult. Is that an insult? Have I been insulted here?

iPhones weren't available on Verizon for a long time, and during that time AT&T didn't have a presence in Montana. But like I said, I'm a tech worker so a smart phone is a must-have accessory, Also, I keep telling myself I'm going to learn to write Android apps for professional development (and then I keep not having time, but that's a different story), I'm a Windows PC user instead of a Mac user, and AFAIK you can't develop for iPhones on a Windows PC. So...ya dig?

I'm very, very technical - I just don't want to work all the farking time.
 
2012-07-24 06:51:15 PM

schattenteufel: LOL. these comments.
Apple haters gonna hate.
Apple could come out with a solid gold blowjob machine that converted semen to money and ran on nutsweat, and haters would still find something to hate about it.


Yeah, it would crash the price of gold!
 
2012-07-24 06:51:26 PM
Apple post huge Q2 miss; EPS climbs to $9.32 on $35 billion in revenue

i.imgur.com

and

i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-24 06:53:51 PM

schattenteufel: LOL. these comments.
Apple haters gonna hate.
Apple could come out with a solid gold blowjob machine that converted semen to money and ran on nutsweat, and haters would still find something to hate about it.


meh, the ability to run emulators basically determines value on the internet
 
2012-07-24 06:59:16 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: intelligent comment below: Fuggin Bizzy: When I pick up my Droid, I just want to text my wife, check FB to see what my friends are up to, and shoot some birds at some pigs. I honestly have no idea what version of Android I'm running, and I don't care as long as it works. That's how it's beautiful.

Strange, the iPhone is perfect for someone like you.

I guess that's an insult. Is that an insult? Have I been insulted here?

iPhones weren't available on Verizon for a long time, and during that time AT&T didn't have a presence in Montana. But like I said, I'm a tech worker so a smart phone is a must-have accessory, Also, I keep telling myself I'm going to learn to write Android apps for professional development (and then I keep not having time, but that's a different story), I'm a Windows PC user instead of a Mac user, and AFAIK you can't develop for iPhones on a Windows PC. So...ya dig?

I'm very, very technical - I just don't want to work all the farking time.



It's not an insult

An android is for idiots who love spending hours a day updating firmware and all this other jazz. Like downloading apps to customize something

An iPhone just works out of the box, does everything you want it to, and no headache.
 
2012-07-24 07:01:04 PM
Fuggin Bizzy: ...you can't develop for iPhones on a Windows PC. So...ya dig?

I did not know that. I assumed that since iOS is written in C and any Mac that a developer would be using these days would be a newer Intel based machine, that you could write it on a Windows machine too. Is there some hardware of software reason that I am not aware of that prevents this or is this just Apple being a dick?
 
2012-07-24 07:02:26 PM
Android is way better than iPhone, the iPhone is for trendy people and people that can't figure out technology.
 
2012-07-24 07:03:45 PM

intelligent comment below: does everything you want it to


It does less than a droid because Apple is fascist and treats its users like children.
 
2012-07-24 07:04:15 PM

intelligent comment below: An android is for idiots who love spending hours a day updating firmware and all this other jazz. Like downloading apps to customize something

An iPhone just works out of the box, does everything you want it to, and no headache.


I use an Android and don't spend hours a day updating firmware...the recent ICS update advertised itself on my phone, and took about 20 mins to download and install after I hit "ok." First firmware update I've done in almost a year.

You do realize that a large number of iPhone users "jailbreak" their phones because it does NOT do everything they want it to do, right?

/Had an iPhone
//Happy with my SII
///Could switch back depending on my options next year
 
2012-07-24 07:08:51 PM

sprgrss: Fuggin Bizzy: FlashHarry: instantwin: [www.heise.de image 550x335]

i don't get it. what costs $99? apples new OS versions have been $29 for a few years now. or is this like the one-button mouse thing?

$29? That's way more than $0.

the only updates that cost money are the .5 up grades. So going from 12.1 to 12.2 is free, but going from 12.0 to 12.5 costs money.

But i see you don't care about that.


For every Apple joke that you might biatch about like this, there are a dozen Windows jokes that are just as untrue.
 
2012-07-24 07:09:52 PM

intelligent comment below: It's not an insult


Whew. Good to hear, thanks. Hard to tell on the interwebulators.
 
2012-07-24 07:14:31 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: Do you care what version of firmware your car's computer runs? Do you want to care, or would you rather just drive somewhere to do something? I'm a software developer for a fortune 82 company. Day in and day out it's my job to think about our product versions, the differences between them, and how those differences impact customers.

When I pick up my Droid, I just want to text my wife, check FB to see what my friends are up to, and shoot some birds at some pigs. I honestly have no idea what version of Android I'm running, and I don't care as long as it works. That's how it's beautiful.


What you're saying is that Google hasn't added any compelling features to Android since 2.1 or whenever. If they had, customers would care about getting a version with those features.

The comparison to my car's firmware is silly, because firmware has no user-facing features.
 
2012-07-24 07:15:59 PM

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: intelligent comment below: An android is for idiots who love spending hours a day updating firmware and all this other jazz. Like downloading apps to customize something

An iPhone just works out of the box, does everything you want it to, and no headache.

I use an Android and don't spend hours a day updating firmware...the recent ICS update advertised itself on my phone, and took about 20 mins to download and install after I hit "ok." First firmware update I've done in almost a year.

You do realize that a large number of iPhone users "jailbreak" their phones because it does NOT do everything they want it to do, right?

/Had an iPhone
//Happy with my SII
///Could switch back depending on my options next year



That's because kids love messing with their phones. Mainly to download pay apps for free

Like I said, out of the box, with no customization, iPhone beats everything.
 
2012-07-24 07:16:19 PM

Allen. The end.: Hmm. They announced it RIGHT after the close of the market. Kooky!


Every time I recall it's been on a Tuesday, right after the markets close. Normal (for them)!
 
2012-07-24 07:22:48 PM

Justin Bieber's Acne Medication: What you're saying is that Google hasn't added any compelling features to Android since 2.1 or whenever. If they had, customers would care about getting a version with those features.


I don't know. The first Android update I installed dramatically improved the text select/copy/paste usability. I didn't know I was getting that, since like I said I don't really know or care which version of Android I run at any given time, but damn if it wasn't much improved. It's possible to appreciate compelling new features without knowing the version number of the OS.

The comparison to my car's firmware is silly, because firmware has no user-facing features.

No, it's apt. People think of their cars as machines to take them places. Almost nobody thinks about the software. That's very similar to the way I think about my Droid. It's a device that lets me do useful things. I don't really give a shiat how it does these things or whether it's running Android 6.2.41a.xz.3.14_nightly_release.
 
2012-07-24 07:25:07 PM

intelligent comment below: IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: intelligent comment below:
Like I said, out of the box, with no customization, iPhone beats everything.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-24 07:25:49 PM
Meanwhile on August 16th they are going to start paying $2.65 a share dividends to shareholders like me quarterly ...... YES ! BEER MONEY !
 
2012-07-24 07:42:34 PM

carnifex2005: Justin Bieber's Acne Medication: carnifex2005: Fragmentation fatigue? Lol! People have been saying that for a couple of years and that still hasn't slowed Android adoption one bit.

But it has:

{some graph}

Gets slower every release.

That's the speed of updates, not the speed of Android adoption. People still will buy phones and frankly not care much what OS it is running. That is the beauty of Android.


-----

I've seen a few posts lately referring to this 'android fragmentation' issue. Is this really a thing that causes problems for people, or is it some kind of FUD from competitors? I'm asking honestly, not trying to contradict it, just wondering if it's truth because my anecdotal evidence hasn't seen it.
I have an android tablet, I 'rooted' it and put some flavor of android (other than with stock firmware) on it shortly after I got it, maybe a year ago, and haven't changed it yet... since then I've never had a problem installing any apps I've ever attempted. Granted, I don't use the tablet a lot, because I find tablets to be ridiculously inferior to computers, but still, I've installed maybe a few dozen apps while trying it out, and never found my particular 'fragment' of 'droid to be an issue.
 
2012-07-24 08:00:23 PM

interesting times: Is this really a thing that causes problems for people, or is it some kind of FUD from competitors? I'm asking honestly, not trying to contradict it, just wondering if it's truth because my anecdotal evidence hasn't seen it.


It's not such a big deal for users, especially those on popular devices. But it is a headache for developers:

"I would have preferred spending that time on more content for you, but instead I was thanklessly modifying shaders and texture formats to work on different GPUs, or pushing out patches to support new devices without crashing, or walking someone through how to fix an installation that wouldn't go through. We spent thousands on various test hardware. These are the unsung necessities of offering our apps on Android."

I'm surprised that you've had no problems with your rooted tablet. I don't have one, but from what I've read, most Android apps are not prepared to run on a tablet screen size, and so end up looking kind of dumb.
 
2012-07-24 08:18:47 PM

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: intelligent comment below: An android is for idiots who love spending hours a day updating firmware and all this other jazz. Like downloading apps to customize something

An iPhone just works out of the box, does everything you want it to, and no headache.

I use an Android and don't spend hours a day updating firmware...the recent ICS update advertised itself on my phone, and took about 20 mins to download and install after I hit "ok." First firmware update I've done in almost a year.

You do realize that a large number of iPhone users "jailbreak" their phones because it does NOT do everything they want it to do, right?

/Had an iPhone
//Happy with my SII
///Could switch back depending on my options next year


i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-24 08:23:01 PM

instantwin: www.heise.de


LOLWAT

/i don't even leave my machine on 24/7 any more; it boots to the login screen in a few moments while I go for coffee/take a leak, come back, log in, handle something else mundane, voila INTERNETS
 
2012-07-24 08:30:01 PM

austin_millbarge: And if you want to see ugly, wait til people have had time to realize what fragmentation fatigue is in the Android market. It will take a few years but just like people who realize they've been served a shiat sandwich with Windows for over 2 decades and moved to OSX


A big, fat, impressive 10% of them.
 
2012-07-24 08:33:03 PM

Herr Flick's Revenge: They sold shipped 26 million iphones-I don't think they care.


A small difference between sold and shipped.
 
2012-07-24 09:09:25 PM

austin_millbarge: ecmoRandomNumbers: I think it's going to be uglier next quarter. I'm selling about one iPhone for every dozen or so Android phones. The demand for the Samsung Galaxy SIII is amazing. The iPhone 5 is going to have to be something absolutely phenomenal for Apple to get their market back. This is for Verizon, mind you. AT&T's iPhone numbers are much higher, I'm sure.

They never lost their market to begin with. Their numbers have risen steadily since the first iPhone was unveiled.

And if you want to see ugly, wait til people have had time to realize what fragmentation fatigue is in the Android market. It will take a few years but just like people who realize they've been served a shiat sandwich with Windows for over 2 decades and moved to OSX, the Android fatigue will push people to the iPhone and iOS over time.


After experiencing Jellybean with Project Butter, any human would be insane to go back to iOS. Even if you can get it with a decent screen size, finally.
 
2012-07-24 09:29:01 PM

interesting times: I've seen a few posts lately referring to this 'android fragmentation' issue. Is this really a thing that causes problems for people, or is it some kind of FUD from competitors? I'm asking honestly, not trying to contradict it, just wondering if it's truth because my anecdotal evidence hasn't seen it.


This post sums it up very well. If you're not doing games, it's not going to be a problem.

And no, no-one out there sees much problem. It's being massively overblown by fanboys because it's the last thing they're desperately clinging to, that somehow it will become a problem and everyone will go running to Apple. Reality is that phones are pretty much "done" and it will be more and more a market that competes on price.
 
2012-07-24 10:26:10 PM
farkeruk:....

This post sums it up very well. If you're not doing games, it's not going to be a problem.

And no, no-one out there sees much problem. It's being massively overblown by fanboys because it's the last thing they're desperately clinging to, that somehow it will become a problem and everyone will go running to Apple. Reality is that phones are pretty much "done" and it will be more and more a market that competes on price.

----
interesting and informative post in your link.. thank you and Justin Bieber's Acne Medication both for quality (and surprisingly for fark non-mocking) replies
 
2012-07-24 10:35:59 PM

carnifex2005: IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: intelligent comment below: An android is for idiots who love spending hours a day updating firmware and all this other jazz. Like downloading apps to customize something

An iPhone just works out of the box, does everything you want it to, and no headache.

I use an Android and don't spend hours a day updating firmware...the recent ICS update advertised itself on my phone, and took about 20 mins to download and install after I hit "ok." First firmware update I've done in almost a year.

You do realize that a large number of iPhone users "jailbreak" their phones because it does NOT do everything they want it to do, right?

/Had an iPhone
//Happy with my SII
///Could switch back depending on my options next year

[i.imgur.com image 453x576]



How am I telling lies?

The average user doesn't need to customize anything, I was replying to a guy who admitted he just opened up the box, and started using the phone for emails, text, calls, and angry birds. That is the exact person who has no use for a customizable OS and belongs right at home with the iPhone
 
2012-07-24 10:40:09 PM

InmanRoshi: I dunno know about you guys, but I develop my personal and tribal identity around which consumer products I buy.


I used to, but I got tired of the endless warfare and conflict - so I moved to the Amazon and joined an actual tribe of savages. It's really a lot simpler.
 
2012-07-24 10:42:34 PM

intelligent comment below: carnifex2005: IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: intelligent comment below: An android is for idiots who love spending hours a day updating firmware and all this other jazz. Like downloading apps to customize something

An iPhone just works out of the box, does everything you want it to, and no headache.

I use an Android and don't spend hours a day updating firmware...the recent ICS update advertised itself on my phone, and took about 20 mins to download and install after I hit "ok." First firmware update I've done in almost a year.

You do realize that a large number of iPhone users "jailbreak" their phones because it does NOT do everything they want it to do, right?

/Had an iPhone
//Happy with my SII
///Could switch back depending on my options next year

[i.imgur.com image 453x576]


How am I telling lies?

The average user doesn't need to customize anything, I was replying to a guy who admitted he just opened up the box, and started using the phone for emails, text, calls, and angry birds. That is the exact person who has no use for a customizable OS and belongs right at home with the iPhone


I agree with you. That was for the person who said that Androids were for idiots who have to tweak it.
 
kab
2012-07-24 10:49:11 PM

InmanRoshi: I dunno know about you guys, but I develop my personal and tribal identity around which consumer products I buy.


Not only that, but I will vehemently defend the honor of my choice in pocket size communication devices until all nay-sayers are vanquished, or just move onto another topic. Because it's really... serious farking business, and these companies CARE about me personally.
 
2012-07-24 10:52:53 PM

carnifex2005: intelligent comment below: carnifex2005: IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: intelligent comment below: An android is for idiots who love spending hours a day updating firmware and all this other jazz. Like downloading apps to customize something

An iPhone just works out of the box, does everything you want it to, and no headache.

I use an Android and don't spend hours a day updating firmware...the recent ICS update advertised itself on my phone, and took about 20 mins to download and install after I hit "ok." First firmware update I've done in almost a year.

You do realize that a large number of iPhone users "jailbreak" their phones because it does NOT do everything they want it to do, right?

/Had an iPhone
//Happy with my SII
///Could switch back depending on my options next year

[i.imgur.com image 453x576]


How am I telling lies?

The average user doesn't need to customize anything, I was replying to a guy who admitted he just opened up the box, and started using the phone for emails, text, calls, and angry birds. That is the exact person who has no use for a customizable OS and belongs right at home with the iPhone

I agree with you. That was for the person who said that Androids were for idiots who have to tweak it.


That's exactly what people use the Android for. That's why you find hundreds of thousands of posts on forums with the latest firmware and apps to customize anything and everything. Out of the box the Android doesn't come close to measuring up to the iPhone. Which is why it has such a huge tweaking culture. You can keep digging yourself in a hole here if you want to keep replying
 
2012-07-24 11:26:52 PM

intelligent comment below: carnifex2005: intelligent comment below: carnifex2005: IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: intelligent comment below: An android is for idiots who love spending hours a day updating firmware and all this other jazz. Like downloading apps to customize something

An iPhone just works out of the box, does everything you want it to, and no headache.

I use an Android and don't spend hours a day updating firmware...the recent ICS update advertised itself on my phone, and took about 20 mins to download and install after I hit "ok." First firmware update I've done in almost a year.

You do realize that a large number of iPhone users "jailbreak" their phones because it does NOT do everything they want it to do, right?

/Had an iPhone
//Happy with my SII
///Could switch back depending on my options next year

[i.imgur.com image 453x576]


How am I telling lies?

The average user doesn't need to customize anything, I was replying to a guy who admitted he just opened up the box, and started using the phone for emails, text, calls, and angry birds. That is the exact person who has no use for a customizable OS and belongs right at home with the iPhone

I agree with you. That was for the person who said that Androids were for idiots who have to tweak it.

That's exactly what people use the Android for. That's why you find hundreds of thousands of posts on forums with the latest firmware and apps to customize anything and everything. Out of the box the Android doesn't come close to measuring up to the iPhone. Which is why it has such a huge tweaking culture. You can keep digging yourself in a hole here if you want to keep replying


And you're an idiot if you think that is why it is killing iOS in total usage.
 
2012-07-25 12:27:01 AM

theurge14: mstang1988: sprgrss: Fuggin Bizzy: FlashHarry: instantwin: [www.heise.de image 550x335]

i don't get it. what costs $99? apples new OS versions have been $29 for a few years now. or is this like the one-button mouse thing?

$29? That's way more than $0.

the only updates that cost money are the .5 up grades. So going from 12.1 to 12.2 is free, but going from 12.0 to 12.5 costs money.

But i see you don't care about that.
The thought is you are paying for a service pack which is free on Windows. I too have a mac. It is of my opinion and therefore I will concur that apple charges for a service pack and calls it a new OS and charges money for it.

Apple doesn't charge for service packs. They're called point updates (i.e. 10.7.3 to 10.7.4) and they're free in Software Update.

You're equating Windows service packs with new versions of OS X (i.e. 10.7 to 10.8). It might be because you don't have a use for the new features, it might be because you don't consider it a new version of the OS because the GUI looks the same to you.


The Windows and Mac ones are mixed up not because Apple charges for OS upgrades. OSX is both cheap and has no DRM, so you can just borrow a DVD if you don't care about that sort of thing. Apple users are saying, "Not Again" because OSX upgrades tend to require new hardware. Motorola to PPC, no OS9 support in Jag, PPC to Intel, lack of Rosetta support in Leopard, massive architectural changes to Lion that slow down even modern hardware, etc.

I still prefer OSX to Windows though. Having to boot Windows generally means I'm not going to have a good day. But I only do that about twice a year.
 
2012-07-25 01:07:25 AM

carnifex2005: And you're an idiot if you think that is why it is killing iOS in total usage.



No, it's because the kids always flock to the "newest" thing, and the iPhone is a few years old.

You're a small minority who love tweaking with phones like other nerds love overclocking computers.

Apple still has almost 30% of the market share. It's being killed by what, exactly? Apple is successful when it carves out a niche, it was never designed to control a dominant market share in anything.
 
2012-07-25 01:12:06 AM

someahole: massive architectural changes to Lion that slow down even modern hardware, etc.


Really? My 3.06 GHz C2D iMac has been running as fast or faster with Lion than it did with Snow Leopard. Of course, I'm also running with 16 GB of RAM, so that may be helping, as UNIX based OSes can never get enough RAM.

/My fingers are crossed that Mountain Lion will be a smooth upgrade tomorrow.
 
2012-07-25 01:26:46 AM

Mad_Radhu: someahole: massive architectural changes to Lion that slow down even modern hardware, etc.

Really? My 3.06 GHz C2D iMac has been running as fast or faster with Lion than it did with Snow Leopard. Of course, I'm also running with 16 GB of RAM, so that may be helping, as UNIX based OSes can never get enough RAM.

/My fingers are crossed that Mountain Lion will be a smooth upgrade tomorrow.


farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2012-07-25 02:41:40 AM

FlashHarry: Fuggin Bizzy: $29? That's way more than $0.

whoa - new operating systems from other companies are completely free? how does microsoft make any money!


Linux: Updates and new OS's are free. Updates vigorously.

M$: Updates are free, new OS's aren't. Updates are at least once a week.

AAPL: Updates are free, new OS's aren't.
 
2012-07-25 03:15:16 AM

dforkus: They still made 8.8 billion dollars this quarter. Yes, made, as in profit, not revenue...

Even with the dividend, the 100+ billion dollar cash pile still grew..

Yes, a disappointed AAPL long,,

Don't cry for me, still way up.


To put that in perspective my employer was in the S&P 500 before the crash and we had a market cap of 7.2B. AAPL is big enough that one quarters profit would buy another large company with enough left over to buy a fleet of G6's.
 
2012-07-25 05:42:38 AM

robodog: dforkus: They still made 8.8 billion dollars this quarter. Yes, made, as in profit, not revenue...

Even with the dividend, the 100+ billion dollar cash pile still grew..

Yes, a disappointed AAPL long,,

Don't cry for me, still way up.

To put that in perspective my employer was in the S&P 500 before the crash and we had a market cap of 7.2B. AAPL is big enough that one quarters profit would buy another large company with enough left over to buy a fleet of G6's.


world-viewer.com

They weren't all that expensive.
 
2012-07-25 06:03:55 AM

GAT_00: Goddamn is business analysis stupid. Shares are FALLING on the grounds that they made more than $8 billion dollars in three months.


I know this has been explained to you many times, but stock prices are the value of the expected free cash flows of a company. If those numbers dip then the value of the stock will decrease. Your system makes no sense, if I expected a company to have $1 Trillion dollars in free cash flows but only had $0.8 Trillion, then I had over valued the stock and the price will decrease.
 
2012-07-25 08:07:00 AM

intelligent comment below: You're a small minority who love tweaking with phones like other nerds love overclocking computers.

Apple still has almost 30% of the market share. It's being killed by what, exactly? Apple is successful when it carves out a niche, it was never designed to control a dominant market share in anything.


Haha. Yeah, keep thinking that.

Here's the nub of it: I'm pretty anti-Apple, but I told my wife to go into Vodafone and try out the phones and pick the one she liked. She liked the Galaxy S2. The S2 was £26/month instead of £36/month for the iPhone 4S.

My father-in-law wanted a phone with occassional internet. He paid cash for the phone and got a Desire S for about £225. Cheapest iPhone? £360.

And here's the problem: this is going to get worse for Apple because phones are now evolving very slowly. I have a Nexus S and there's not enough in the S2 or S3 that mean I'll sign up for another 2 year contract. TBH if my Nexus S died, I'd probably pay cash for the same phone, sim free. That means that being able to sell premium phones is going to get to be more difficult, in the same way that selling high megapixel cameras is.
 
2012-07-25 11:08:59 AM

Mad_Radhu: During roughly the same timeframe as the XP to Vista lifecycle.


Lifecycle?

Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
Release date: 8-28-2009
End of support: 7-25-2012
Total "lifecycle":

Windows XP
Release date: 8-24-2001
End of support: 4-8-2014
Total "lifecycle": 12+ years

Number of paid Apple "upgrades" from 2001 through Lion in order to continue to get security patches today: 6

Total cost: Since machines purchased in 2001 were obsoleted in Leopard, and PowerPC machines bought with Leopard were obsoleted AGAIN in Snow Leopard, you would have had to buy two new machines plus point upgrades to get to Lion and still receive security updates today.
 
2012-07-25 11:16:54 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: I think it's going to be uglier next quarter. I'm selling about one iPhone for every dozen or so Android phones. The demand for the Samsung Galaxy SIII is amazing. The iPhone 5 is going to have to be something absolutely phenomenal for Apple to get their market back. This is for Verizon, mind you. AT&T's iPhone numbers are much higher, I'm sure.


Most people are holding out for the next iphone. As it is I have many a friend in the wireless industry on the front lines selling phones and their iPhones still outsell Android on a daily basis. as much as I have a disdain for iOS which is not moving forward but regressing it still sells out.


/analysts are morons. Listening to the radio this morning and one guy was going on about how disappointed he was that Apple didn't hit their goal. Yet they racked in all that cash, it just boggles my mind and it makes me realize why we are so greedy as a culture.
 
2012-07-25 01:40:30 PM
InmanRoshi: I dunno know about you guys, but I develop my personal and tribal identity around which consumer products I buy.

Almost as silly as people who develop their personal and tribal identity around blind hatred of some consumer product or company.
 
2012-07-25 04:39:50 PM

intelligent comment below: The average user doesn't need to customize anything, I was replying to a guy who admitted he just opened up the box, and started using the phone for emails, text, calls, and angry birds. That is the exact person who has no use for a customizable OS and belongs right at home with the iPhone


Again, I had an iPhone through the 3s. Some of the reasons why I left the iPhone for the SII:

- iPhone is slower
- iPhone wasn't even offered on the carrier I chose to go with at the time (a $40+/mo difference alone)
- iPhone has a smaller screen
- iPhone doesn't have self-upgradeable SIM's, I have to pay $$$ to get extra built-in storage
- Have to use iTunes to load music onto it (unless it's changed, haven't paid attention in a while)

In essence, when it comes to calls, texts, emails and apps, I get the same experience in the Android "eco-system" as I did in the iOS one, but on a better phone that costs me less.
 
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