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(Huffington Post)   You'll never guess what network interviewed a small small-business owner about how Obama's taking credit for her lemonade stand   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 175
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2012-07-24 02:19:51 PM  
Children interviewing children. It's like Sesame Street gone mad.
 
2012-07-24 02:21:16 PM  
Charge them for using the Public streets.
 
2012-07-24 02:22:09 PM  
Fox News has finally managed to find some business experts who can speak at an intellectual level understood by the average Fox News viewer.
 
2012-07-24 02:23:31 PM  
On Tuesday, "Fox and Friends" co-host Brian Kilmeade turned to four-year old Eliza and seven-year old Clara Sutton to ask if they enjoyed working 12 hour shifts in the textile mills, and if they wanted the mean ol' government to put them out of work
 
2012-07-24 02:24:10 PM  
I love how Focks has no trouble pulling a frankly retarded stunt like this, but Michelle Obama's anti child-obesity initiative is somehow "indoctrinating children with partisan rhetoric."

I seriously have no idea how these hypocritical assholes sleep at night.
 
2012-07-24 02:28:11 PM  
Is the lemonade stand located in a public sidewalk?

Do any of their costumers use public roads to reach them?

Did they learn the math to calculate their costs and profits at a public school?

Did their "investors" (aka mom and dad) attend a public school or university in order to attain the educational level that was key to securing their current employment and thus raising the capital to invest in the lemonade stand?

Are lemons purchased at a supermarket (can we then assume those lemons reached the supermarket in a truck that drove on a public roads)? Did their parents drive on similar roads to reach the supermarket?
 
2012-07-24 02:29:22 PM  
Not too far off from this headline nearly 20 years ago:

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2012-07-24 02:39:30 PM  
What's sadder- that a national news network would do something like this, or that the news network would think it is somehow a legitimate story?
 
2012-07-24 02:43:05 PM  
I hope in honor of their Fox guests, the girls had a special pitcher of lemonade that was made with neither government help nor interference. And I hope the Fox crew spent the whole ride back to the studio battling "freedom diarrhea" from the fetid water and bug-infested citrus.
 
2012-07-24 02:53:32 PM  
I can't imagine that this is anything but satire. But I don't watch Fox, so I wouldn't know when they are being serious.
 
2012-07-24 02:53:33 PM  

kbronsito: Is the lemonade stand located in a public sidewalk?

Do any of their costumers use public roads to reach them?

Did they learn the math to calculate their costs and profits at a public school?

Did their "investors" (aka mom and dad) attend a public school or university in order to attain the educational level that was key to securing their current employment and thus raising the capital to invest in the lemonade stand?

Are lemons purchased at a supermarket (can we then assume those lemons reached the supermarket in a truck that drove on a public roads)? Did their parents drive on similar roads to reach the supermarket?


Were the lemons grown on an orchard owned by someone who receives farm subsidies? Was the sugar the result of corporate welfare?

juanitajean.com
 
2012-07-24 03:12:29 PM  

gimmegimme: kbronsito: Is the lemonade stand located in a public sidewalk?

Do any of their costumers use public roads to reach them?

Did they learn the math to calculate their costs and profits at a public school?

Did their "investors" (aka mom and dad) attend a public school or university in order to attain the educational level that was key to securing their current employment and thus raising the capital to invest in the lemonade stand?

Are lemons purchased at a supermarket (can we then assume those lemons reached the supermarket in a truck that drove on a public roads)? Did their parents drive on similar roads to reach the supermarket?

Were the lemons grown on an orchard owned by someone who receives farm subsidies? Was the sugar the result of corporate welfare?

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Thank you. This was my first thought. Even here in Arizona, where a lot of people have lemon trees- the water is brought in via a network of dams and canals. The roads they'd sell on are paved. The police that protect them from evil limeade terrorists are around. On and on it goes.
 
2012-07-24 03:13:54 PM  
i159.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-24 03:14:02 PM  
Look, I get Obama is saying government built the roads and bridges (and they funded those with tax dollars collected from businesses and workers). But if all you needed to be a successful business was to throw a road in front of it, why are so many businesses unsuccessful? Take an unsuccessful business. It is just sitting there. All we need to do is throw a road and bridge in front of it and all of a sudden it will be successful? Nope. Absolutely not.
 
2012-07-24 03:19:34 PM  

SlothB77: Look, I get Obama is saying government built the roads and bridges (and they funded those with tax dollars collected from businesses and workers). But if all you needed to be a successful business was to throw a road in front of it, why are so many businesses unsuccessful? Take an unsuccessful business. It is just sitting there. All we need to do is throw a road and bridge in front of it and all of a sudden it will be successful? Nope. Absolutely not.


Who says that is all you need? Who is simplifying this argument to suggest this?
 
2012-07-24 03:20:19 PM  

SlothB77: Look, I get Obama is saying government built the roads and bridges (and they funded those with tax dollars collected from businesses and workers). But if all you needed to be a successful business was to throw a road in front of it, why are so many businesses unsuccessful? Take an unsuccessful business. It is just sitting there. All we need to do is throw a road and bridge in front of it and all of a sudden it will be successful? Nope. Absolutely not.


Take a successful business and remove the road to it. Will it all of a sudden become unsuccessful? Probably.
 
2012-07-24 03:20:57 PM  
Parents who drag their kids into their politics should have them removed for abuse
 
2012-07-24 03:22:03 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Who says that is all you need? Who is simplifying this argument to suggest this?


The mysterious voice in the cornfield from "Field of Dreams", duh
 
2012-07-24 03:22:37 PM  

SlothB77: Look, I get Obama is saying government built the roads and bridges (and they funded those with tax dollars collected from businesses and workers). But if all you needed to be a successful business was to throw a road in front of it, why are so many businesses unsuccessful? Take an unsuccessful business. It is just sitting there. All we need to do is throw a road and bridge in front of it and all of a sudden it will be successful? Nope. Absolutely not.


You should have stopped after your first sentence. What would American farming be without government subsidy? What about the subsidies to wildly profitable oil companies? Further, I'll bet that oil companies love knowing that they can move their tankers through safe American waters and dock them in dredged, developed American harbors. Could people use Microsoft software if the American electricity supply were not regulated to ensure its stability?
 
2012-07-24 03:22:54 PM  
What Obama was doing in Roanoke, and what he will continue to do is delegitimize the success and hard work and risk incurred by business owners. All Obama & Co. have to do is convince slightly more than half the country entreprenuers did not earn their wealth. Then enough people in this country will support taxing entreprenuers out of existence. Then everyone will be equal and everything will be fair. Sure, instead of bringing the poor out of poverty it will bring the rich into poverty, still, everyone will be equal and everything will be fair. That's what they want. So you have to convince enough people the rich really didn't work hard to get what they got. The rich really aren't that smart. You convince people the rich are only successful because someone else helped them, then they kept all the spoils for themselves.

And as you can tell from reading Fark, Obama is very convincing. People don't believe successful entreprenuers are hard working or smart or deserving of the money they earned.
 
2012-07-24 03:25:52 PM  

SlothB77: What Obama was doing in Roanoke, and what he will continue to do is delegitimize the success and hard work and risk incurred by business owners. All Obama & Co. have to do is convince slightly more than half the country entreprenuers did not earn their wealth. Then enough people in this country will support taxing entreprenuers out of existence. Then everyone will be equal and everything will be fair. Sure, instead of bringing the poor out of poverty it will bring the rich into poverty, still, everyone will be equal and everything will be fair. That's what they want. So you have to convince enough people the rich really didn't work hard to get what they got. The rich really aren't that smart. You convince people the rich are only successful because someone else helped them, then they kept all the spoils for themselves.

And as you can tell from reading Fark, Obama is very convincing. People don't believe successful entreprenuers are hard working or smart or deserving of the money they earned.


You're totally missing the point. Is it deliberate?
 
2012-07-24 03:31:52 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Who says that is all you need? Who is simplifying this argument to suggest this?


The fact is, five people open five restaurants on a road. Two go out of business. Three become successful because they provide great food with great service in a pleasant atmosphere at a reasonable price. Let's demonize them. Their success can only be attributed to the help they got, the collective and the road. And because of that, they should pay more taxes, which will be redistributed by the government to the two restaurants on the same road that failed.
 
2012-07-24 03:34:37 PM  

gimmegimme: SlothB77: Look, I get Obama is saying government built the roads and bridges (and they funded those with tax dollars collected from businesses and workers). But if all you needed to be a successful business was to throw a road in front of it, why are so many businesses unsuccessful? Take an unsuccessful business. It is just sitting there. All we need to do is throw a road and bridge in front of it and all of a sudden it will be successful? Nope. Absolutely not.

You should have stopped after your first sentence. What would American farming be without government subsidy? What about the subsidies to wildly profitable oil companies? Further, I'll bet that oil companies love knowing that they can move their tankers through safe American waters and dock them in dredged, developed American harbors. Could people use Microsoft software if the American electricity supply were not regulated to ensure its stability?


Our (government run) court system is one of the keys to our thriving business sector. Even if you have never been cheated, you can conduct business in this country with a sense that if something goes wrong you can go to our courts. Even if a judge get paid off by whomever cheated you... there are ways to appeal and there are levels of oversight that you can reach out to report a corrupt court official.

If you do business in a country with a corrupt court system, then you can basically only work with people that you personally know and trust to avoid being cheated. This means that you may not necessarily be able to buy the inputs for your business at the best cost because you can't trust that a competitor that you do not know that offers a better deal is honest and you would have no recourse if you are cheated. Being forced to do business only with people you personally know and trust cost enterprises in the developing world a ton of money every year.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-07-24 03:34:49 PM  

SlothB77: Look, I get Obama is saying government built the roads and bridges (and they funded those with tax dollars collected from businesses and workers). But if all you needed to be a successful business was to throw a road in front of it, why are so many businesses unsuccessful? Take an unsuccessful business. It is just sitting there. All we need to do is throw a road and bridge in front of it and all of a sudden it will be successful? Nope. Absolutely not.


You need to work on your troll-fu.

This will help: Link

I think you were going for a fallacy of composition there, but it could have been a straw man.
 
2012-07-24 03:36:40 PM  

SlothB77: What Obama was doing in Roanoke, and what he will continue to do is delegitimize the success and hard work and risk incurred by business owners. All Obama & Co. have to do is convince slightly more than half the country entreprenuers did not earn their wealth. Then enough people in this country will support taxing entreprenuers out of existence. Then everyone will be equal and everything will be fair. Sure, instead of bringing the poor out of poverty it will bring the rich into poverty, still, everyone will be equal and everything will be fair. That's what they want. So you have to convince enough people the rich really didn't work hard to get what they got. The rich really aren't that smart. You convince people the rich are only successful because someone else helped them, then they kept all the spoils for themselves.

And as you can tell from reading Fark, Obama is very convincing. People don't believe successful entreprenuers are hard working or smart or deserving of the money they earned.


No he's not and you know it. He's saying that the Republican mantra since Reagan has been that government is always and always will be the problem is incorrect and that government can help people succeed. Further, everyone has a stake in making America work. We all pay for roads, utilities, services, etc.

Now back to the usual Solyndra, ACORN, Muslim derp
 
2012-07-24 03:37:49 PM  

Nadie_AZ: SlothB77: Look, I get Obama is saying government built the roads and bridges (and they funded those with tax dollars collected from businesses and workers). But if all you needed to be a successful business was to throw a road in front of it, why are so many businesses unsuccessful? Take an unsuccessful business. It is just sitting there. All we need to do is throw a road and bridge in front of it and all of a sudden it will be successful? Nope. Absolutely not.

Who says that is all you need? Who is simplifying this argument to suggest this?


He sure whacked the crap outta that straw man, didn't he?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-07-24 03:38:54 PM  

SlothB77: Nadie_AZ: Who says that is all you need? Who is simplifying this argument to suggest this?

The fact is, five people open five restaurants on a road. Two go out of business. Three become successful because they provide great food with great service in a pleasant atmosphere at a reasonable price. Let's demonize them. Their success can only be attributed to the help they got, the collective and the road. And because of that, they should pay more taxes, which will be redistributed by the government to the two restaurants on the same road that failed.


Yes, let's be totally dishonest and claim that someone is saying that.
 
2012-07-24 03:48:18 PM  

vpb: SlothB77: Nadie_AZ: Who says that is all you need? Who is simplifying this argument to suggest this?

The fact is, five people open five restaurants on a road. Two go out of business. Three become successful because they provide great food with great service in a pleasant atmosphere at a reasonable price. Let's demonize them. Their success can only be attributed to the help they got, the collective and the road. And because of that, they should pay more taxes, which will be redistributed by the government to the two restaurants on the same road that failed.

Yes, let's be totally dishonest and claim that someone is saying that.


To be fair, McDonald's is getting tax exemptions that other restaurants are not. I'm not loving it.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-07-24 04:02:06 PM  

SlothB77:
And as you can tell from reading Fark, Obama is very convincing. People don't believe successful entreprenuers are hard working or smart or deserving of the money they earned.


Maybe it's more that many people aren't idiots.

I mean, how smart is it to believe someone who benefits heavily from government spending when they claim they shouldn't have to pay for what they use?

And they know that just because someone invested some money in opening a business doesn't mean that the workers who actually built the company didn't have anything to do with it, either.
 
2012-07-24 04:02:54 PM  

djkutch: Children Retards interviewing children


FTFY
 
2012-07-24 04:02:57 PM  
img139.imageshack.us
 
2012-07-24 04:08:29 PM  

SlothB77: Nadie_AZ: Who says that is all you need? Who is simplifying this argument to suggest this?

The fact is, five people open five restaurants on a road. Two go out of business. Three become successful because they provide great food with great service in a pleasant atmosphere at a reasonable price. Let's demonize them. Their success can only be attributed to the help they got, the collective and the road. And because of that, they should pay more taxes, which will be redistributed by the government to the two restaurants on the same road that failed.


Would any of those three restaurants have even been able to open if not for the government providing the restaurant owners a toolbox they could use to grow their talents like roads that the restaurants use to bring their food and customers to the restaurant or public universities that taught them how best to start and run a business?
 
2012-07-24 04:08:40 PM  

SlothB77: The fact is, five people open five restaurants on a road. Two go out of business. Three become successful because they provide great food with great service in a pleasant atmosphere at a reasonable price. Let's demonize them. Their success can only be attributed to the help they got, the collective and the road. And because of that, they should pay more taxes, which will be redistributed by the government to the two restaurants on the same road that failed.


Some of those restaurants are actually PUSHED OUT of business by the government, you know. I opened a restaurant that sold Patriot Burgers and Freedom Fries and, every one of my combos was named after a Great Conservative Hero, and Obama's brownshirts came in and put me right out of business. They made up some bullshiat excuse about how my Reagan and Cheese didn't have their fancy "USDA" stamp on it, and how the flies kept getting in my Double Oliver North with Bacon, and how that wasn't "sanitary". *I* don't think we need more regulations like that, but what do I know? I'm just a Small Business Owner.
 
2012-07-24 04:08:57 PM  
Fox News knows their audience, people who think like 6 year olds.
 
2012-07-24 04:09:05 PM  
Steve Doocy would have interviewed the the little girls, but a judge ordered him not to speak to children.
 
2012-07-24 04:09:43 PM  

Serious Black: Would any of those three restaurants have even been able to open if not for the government providing the restaurant owners a toolbox they could use to grow their talents like roads that the restaurants use to bring their food and customers to the restaurant or public universities that taught them how best to start and run a business?


If you bring that up, that's demonizing the business.
 
2012-07-24 04:10:25 PM  
Con game.

You give the mark just enough simplified information to think he understands the game.

It's just like those stupid "Household Budget" analogies every right-wing idiot was posting on here a couple of months ago. "If you don't have the money in your bank, you don't make purchases!"

Of course, comparing a household budget to a world-wide economy is BS, but boy, those gimp-brained Fox droolers sure think they have it all figured out.
 
2012-07-24 04:10:29 PM  

pizen: SlothB77


Apparently, some near and dear to your heart thinks the Olympic Athletes didn't do it on their own, either (bonus, using Obama's logic).
 
2012-07-24 04:10:33 PM  

sprawl15: [img139.imageshack.us image 300x225]


What the hell ever happened to that show? One of the best shows on TV ever.
 
2012-07-24 04:13:11 PM  

SlothB77: Nadie_AZ: Who says that is all you need? Who is simplifying this argument to suggest this?

The fact is, five people open five restaurants on a road. Two go out of business. Three become successful because they provide great food with great service in a pleasant atmosphere at a reasonable price. Let's demonize them. Their success can only be attributed to the help they got, the collective and the road. And because of that, they should pay more taxes, which will be redistributed by the government to the two restaurants on the same road that failed.


Nobody is being demonized. Pull your head out.
 
2012-07-24 04:13:21 PM  

SlothB77: what he will continue to do is delegitimize the success and hard work and risk incurred by business owners


Except that what he said was true.

If a person has a great idea, eventually they are going to need to rely upon others to get that idea to frustration. They will probably need employees to help execute the idea. They will also need the government, may it be transportation, utilities, law enforcement, fire protection, trademarks, patents, and schools (for a new generation of employees).

If I came up with the idea for Facebook in 1995, how good do you think it would have done me if I lived in Somalia?

Sure, in the end you need the person with the great idea. But many of these people have gotten big heads. Their idea doesn't mean shiat without a stable place for commerce with a good pool of local talent to draw upon.
 
2012-07-24 04:13:29 PM  

SlothB77: And as you can tell from reading Fark, Obama is very convincing. People don't believe successful entreprenuers are hard working or smart or deserving of the money they earned.


Horse shiat. That isn't what people think and you either farking know it and are completely disingenuous or are one of the most ignorant farks around.

It cracks me up how these Republican politicians go around saying government is the enemy WHILE THEY ARE RUNNING FOR GOVERNMENT. People like you give them your vote, thinking you will benefit, when all they are getting into power for is to consolidate more wealth and power in the hands of the already wealthy and powerful.

They only want to remove the parts of government that stop or slow down their mad power and wealth grabs; regulations and laws that are designed to prevent them from bending the rest of us over and sticking us all eight inches dry while they raid our pensions and bank accounts. These people are not on your side. And they LOVE government if it is sending people to war or invading wombs and bedrooms.

Rich Republicans would like people to believe that they ALL got there on their own, with no help whatsoever, when virtually NONE of them did. They benefited either from inheritances from their forebears or community/government aid.
 
2012-07-24 04:13:46 PM  

SlothB77: What Obama was doing in Roanoke, and what he will continue to do is delegitimize the success and hard work and risk incurred by business owners. All Obama & Co. have to do is convince slightly more than half the country entreprenuers did not earn their wealth. Then enough people in this country will support taxing entreprenuers out of existence. Then everyone will be equal and everything will be fair. Sure, instead of bringing the poor out of poverty it will bring the rich into poverty, still, everyone will be equal and everything will be fair. That's what they want. So you have to convince enough people the rich really didn't work hard to get what they got. The rich really aren't that smart. You convince people the rich are only successful because someone else helped them, then they kept all the spoils for themselves.

And as you can tell from reading Fark, Obama is very convincing. People don't believe successful entreprenuers are hard working or smart or deserving of the money they earned.


I had forgotten that there were no entrepreneurs prior to the Bush tax cuts since they simply cannot exist at that tax rate.
 
2012-07-24 04:13:46 PM  
Her lemonade's probably tasteless and watery anyway.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-07-24 04:14:12 PM  
If you think about it, why is it that people who own companies get credit for building them? I don't just mean that they rely on the government creating an environment where it is possible to run a business. They didn't build anything. They may have provided the capital that allowed employees to build a company. If they ran the company instead of hiring someone else to do it they may even have provided some leadership, but they didn't build it, their employees built it.

From the way conservatives talk, the employees who built the company are just leaches who should be grateful that the man who does all the work lets them have a job as charity.

Conservatives are a lot like Marxists in a way. Marxists tried to give labor 100% of the credit and ignored the role of capital, and conservatives do the exact opposite.
 
2012-07-24 04:14:21 PM  

SlothB77: What Obama was doing in Roanoke, and what he will continue to do is delegitimize the success and hard work and risk incurred by business owners


How does one have a reasonable debate with a Republican when they intentionally miss the point.

/Or they are all retarded
 
2012-07-24 04:15:28 PM  

what_now: Some of those restaurants are actually PUSHED OUT of business by the government, you know. I opened a restaurant that sold Patriot Burgers and Freedom Fries and, every one of my combos was named after a Great Conservative Hero, and Obama's brownshirts came in and put me right out of business. They made up some bullshiat excuse about how my Reagan and Cheese didn't have their fancy "USDA" stamp on it, and how the flies kept getting in my Double Oliver North with Bacon, and how that wasn't "sanitary". *I* don't think we need more regulations like that, but what do I know? I'm just a Small Business Owner.


You know what I miss? The Charlton Heston "Just Try To Pry 'Em Out Of Our Cold Hands" Frappes (or "Milkshakes" for those in the uncivilized regions)
 
2012-07-24 04:15:44 PM  
You Libs are gonna look pretty silly when we find out those girls grew the lemons in their backyard and used rain water.
 
2012-07-24 04:16:52 PM  
"Clara, how do you feel about the President saying that you needed help to start this business?
"Our help came from our investors, our dad and stepmom, along with other friends and family."


Unsuprisingly enough, Brian Kilmeade got outsmarted by a pair of five year-olds.
 
2012-07-24 04:17:11 PM  
Cute entrepreneurs! What have you lib Farkers done lately?

"We've tried nothing, man, and we're all out of ideas!"
 
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