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(National Geographic)   700-year-old toothless "Vampire" skeleton found entombed among church ruins in Bulgaria   (news.nationalgeographic.com) divider line 78
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2012-07-24 02:11:23 PM
Whoa.

We lycanthropes are a much nicer lot. We buried gramps with Snausages, Kongs, and PetCo gift certificates.
 
2012-07-24 02:19:18 PM
The skeleton had been stabbed in the chest with an iron rod

DON'T REMOVE THE ROD!
 
2012-07-24 02:26:42 PM
Fun fact - the whole point of the stake/rod through the chest isn't to kill the vampire. It's meant to nail the vampire into the ground so it can't get up.
 
2012-07-24 02:48:46 PM

RexTalionis: Fun fact - the whole point of the stake/rod through the chest isn't to kill the vampire. It's meant to nail the vampire into the ground so it can't get up.


FUNNER FACT: THAT FACT IS NOT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM "FUN".

*continues to unblinkingly stare at ceiling, drinking coffee through an IV whilst laying on a bed of garlic, unable to sleep*
 
2012-07-24 02:50:30 PM

brap: RexTalionis: Fun fact - the whole point of the stake/rod through the chest isn't to kill the vampire. It's meant to nail the vampire into the ground so it can't get up.

FUNNER FACT: THAT FACT IS NOT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM "FUN".

*continues to unblinkingly stare at ceiling, drinking coffee through an IV whilst laying on a bed of garlic, unable to sleep*


Whatever. Coffin time.
 
2012-07-24 02:51:01 PM

Walker: The skeleton had been stabbed in the chest with an iron rod

DON'T REMOVE THE ROD!



In Rod We Trust
 
2012-07-24 04:34:34 PM
I bet he wasn't sparkly.
 
2012-07-24 05:06:10 PM

The_Sponge: Walker: The skeleton had been stabbed in the chest with an iron rod

DON'T REMOVE THE ROD!


In Rod We Trust


Aw, they were about to show close ups of the rod.
 
2012-07-24 05:08:31 PM
700 year old desecrated human corpse used to get page views
 
2012-07-24 05:08:35 PM
robotandghost.com
 
2012-07-24 05:09:04 PM
This here is an argument for good traditional Christianity.
 
2012-07-24 05:10:34 PM
Does anyone really believe that the whole vampire thing started with Bram Stoker?

PSA for those of you considering reading Dracula the Un-Dead by Dacre Stoker: Don't. Just go read the original again. You'll feel more accomplished.
 
2012-07-24 05:11:32 PM
Was my ex-wife resting next to him?
 
2012-07-24 05:12:16 PM

The_Sponge: In Rod We Trust


images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-07-24 05:13:14 PM
That part of the world is just chock full of awesomely creepy shiat. One day I would love to go on a tour of Eastern European medieval crazy stuff.
 
2012-07-24 05:13:14 PM
To hell with the "vampire" skeleton... I want one of those tiny chameleons at the bottom of the page. SO CUTE!
 
2012-07-24 05:13:46 PM
Meh ... in some of the original vampire folk lore a vampire only lived for about 40 days. You know what else only lives for about 40 days? Somebody infected with rabies.

That is right a vampire is just some asshole with rabies and delusions of grandeur.
 
2012-07-24 05:14:03 PM
Here's a different report on another very disturbing find.
 
2012-07-24 05:16:53 PM

DblDad: Here's a different report on another very disturbing find.


*snerk*

/+1
 
2012-07-24 05:18:28 PM

Magnanimous_J: That part of the world is just chock full of awesomely creepy shiat. One day I would love to go on a tour of Eastern European medieval crazy stuff.


Best behave, the old ladies in small towns will put the evil eye on you.

/old traditions die hard.
 
2012-07-24 05:19:46 PM

Slaves2Darkness: Meh ... in some of the original vampire folk lore a vampire only lived for about 40 days. You know what else only lives for about 40 days? Somebody infected with rabies.

That is right a vampire is just some asshole with rabies and delusions of grandeur.


Or it could be Bath Salts....
 
2012-07-24 05:21:27 PM

Walker: The skeleton had been stabbed in the chest with an iron rod

DON'T REMOVE THE ROD!


Read this.
 
2012-07-24 05:22:49 PM
Shoot just imagine you lived back then and were knocked out for a day or were in a slight coma you wake up thrilled to be alive only to be chased down by your family and friends and have a stake shoved thru your chest...
 
2012-07-24 05:23:25 PM
toothless "Vampire" ? What did he suck?
 
2012-07-24 05:24:25 PM
One of Vlad's victims???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_the_Impaler
 
2012-07-24 05:25:09 PM
Considering how much iron cost in those days, this was no joke to the locals. It's also possible this was royalty of some kind because he was buried under a church and the faith of the congregation was expected to keep him in his grave. Vampires were usually buried at crossroads and then forgotten in those parts.
 
2012-07-24 05:26:19 PM

TheHappTroll: toothless "Vampire" ? What did he suck?


Dick
 
2012-07-24 05:31:29 PM

Gough: One of Vlad's victims???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_the_Impaler


This is a great piece of historical fiction. Not for the squeamish but a fascinatingly possible look at the times.
 
2012-07-24 05:32:34 PM
I was reading a criminal profiler's book and he suggested that the legends of vampires and werewolves could possibly come from serial killers way back then. People finding bodies that were slaughtered in some horrific manner - that may have been the way the populace dealt with crimes like that. So far removed from out of the ordinary...
 
2012-07-24 05:34:49 PM

Alpha Sierra Foxtrot: Does anyone really believe that the whole vampire thing started with Bram Stoker?

PSA for those of you considering reading Dracula the Un-Dead by Dacre Stoker: Don't. Just go read the original again. You'll feel more accomplished.


Didn't he also write "A Sale of Two Titties?"
 
2012-07-24 05:35:27 PM
Is it just me, or does that seem more like a lump of iron, rather than a rod? Seems like it'd be tough to impale someone with.
 
2012-07-24 05:35:58 PM

TheHappTroll: toothless "Vampire" ? What did he suck?


Menses.

/sorry/sub>
 
2012-07-24 05:40:07 PM
This is now a 'hot girls from Buffy the Vampire Slayer' thread. Who'd I miss?

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2012-07-24 05:42:11 PM
The only way I'd write something about vampires is if I used some of the old, weird Slavic folktales; such as, leaving whiskey at the vampire's grave ensures it won't come back to bother you, or emptying a bag of coins on the ground will stop the vampire, because it will obsessively count each one while you get away.

Also the movie "Stigroi" is closer to any old vampire story than any vampire movie ever made.
 
2012-07-24 05:44:27 PM
"Strigoi" I mean.
 
TWX
2012-07-24 05:45:52 PM

brap: *continues to unblinkingly stare at ceiling, drinking coffee through an IV whilst laying on a bed of garlic, unable to sleep*


y'know, if you stop mainlining caffeine and pick a bed that's less pungent, you might be able to catch 40 winks...
 
TWX
2012-07-24 05:47:33 PM

verbaltoxin: The only way I'd write something about vampires is if I used some of the old, weird Slavic folktales; such as ... emptying a bag of coins on the ground will stop the vampire, because it will obsessively count each one while you get away.


For some reason, sounds like they got their vampire lore tied up with bigotry against a particular early Abrahamic religion...
 
2012-07-24 06:00:39 PM

Creoena: This is now a 'hot girls from Buffy the Vampire Slayer' thread. Who'd I miss?

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Precursor to the Buffybot, April
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and Demon Girl that picks up Xander at the hardware expo then tries to kill him
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2012-07-24 06:02:51 PM

verbaltoxin: Stigroi


you mean Strigoi
 
2012-07-24 06:06:17 PM

Creoena: This is now a 'hot girls from Buffy the Vampire Slayer' thread. Who'd I miss?

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How 'bout a hot vampire thread?

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2012-07-24 06:08:15 PM

Slaves2Darkness: Meh ... in some of the original vampire folk lore a vampire only lived for about 40 days. You know what else only lives for about 40 days? Somebody infected with rabies.

That is right a vampire is just some asshole with rabies and delusions of grandeur.


Sorry, had a little rabies scare myself - symptoms can appear from days to years after the bite.
Once the symptoms appear you go from human with a headache to spastic zombie to coma and then dead.
 
2012-07-24 06:09:39 PM

rickycal78:
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Mummy Girl
[www.wearysloth.com image 321x240]

Precursor to the Buffybot, April
[mimg.ugo.com image 288x288]

and Demon Girl that picks up Xander at the hardware expo then tries to kill him
[img2-3.timeinc.net image 270x270]


Meh I was going to put April but forgot. I forgot about the other three
 
2012-07-24 06:10:46 PM
Jesus, NatGeo! Enough with the Javascript pop-ins. One, fine. Three gets me pissy.
 
2012-07-24 06:11:43 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com

Researchers believe the above image to be an accurate reproduction of the individual in life.

/most vampires turn entirely to dust and leave no skeleton
 
2012-07-24 06:11:47 PM

DblDad: Here's a different report on another very disturbing find.


Starting reading the article before seeing anything else on the page (including the web site name).
You got me. Good one.
 
2012-07-24 06:17:07 PM

Osomatic: Is it just me, or does that seem more like a lump of iron, rather than a rod? Seems like it'd be tough to impale someone with.


That iron rod has been rusting away for 700 years. After 700 years look so good you will not.

Pretty cool find. Lots of books talk about what people would do with suspected undead, but it's fascinating to see actual evidence.
 
2012-07-24 06:17:26 PM

washington-babylon: Walker: The skeleton had been stabbed in the chest with an iron rod

DON'T REMOVE THE ROD!

Read this.


I read it. That was scurry. See what happens when you remove the rod!
 
2012-07-24 06:27:31 PM

Tsar_Bomba1: I was reading a criminal profiler's book and he suggested that the legends of vampires and werewolves could possibly come from serial killers way back then. People finding bodies that were slaughtered in some horrific manner - that may have been the way the populace dealt with crimes like that. So far removed from out of the ordinary...


Vampirism was actually an allusion to STDS and sex. It was considered improper to speak openly in texts about sex, so the biting on the neck was just a way of saying they had sex. Its also where other parts of the lore come from... IE you have to invite a vampire into your home... same thing, they're saying you willingly allow strangers into your home for sex, being a slut is a choice you made.

Like most old folk tales, it was meant to scare people into behaving. In this case to stop you from whoring around town and catching bad diseases.
 
2012-07-24 06:37:26 PM

Walker: washington-babylon: Walker: The skeleton had been stabbed in the chest with an iron rod

DON'T REMOVE THE ROD!

Read this.

I read it. That was scurry. See what happens when you remove the rod!


Yep. Can't wait to see where they take the storyline.
 
2012-07-24 06:41:43 PM
As stated above, I would also love to travel to this part of Europe. Anyone here ever been to Bulgaria? I have an aunt who went a while ago and if I remember correctly, she didn't have a good trip. Granted, she is a lesbian from the US so (I am completely guessing here) perhaps that had something to do with it. I bet the women there are nice looking, but I'd reckon not a lot of gay pride over there?
 
2012-07-24 06:43:52 PM
Wonder if it was a Hungarian

t3.gstatic.com
 
2012-07-24 06:44:10 PM
img2.imagesbn.com
 
2012-07-24 06:48:13 PM
This story lacks bite.
 
2012-07-24 06:51:10 PM
Came for Dracula, Dead and Loving It!
/leaving disappointed
 
2012-07-24 06:59:59 PM

Alonjar: Vampirism was actually an allusion to STDS and sex.


Yeah, but I thought the bite in the older stories was on the inner thigh and not the neck so as to make the sexual references more obvious. At least that's what I read somewhere a decade or so ago.
 
2012-07-24 07:03:51 PM
Klingon vampire

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2012-07-24 07:28:36 PM

Alonjar: Tsar_Bomba1: I was reading a criminal profiler's book and he suggested that the legends of vampires and werewolves could possibly come from serial killers way back then. People finding bodies that were slaughtered in some horrific manner - that may have been the way the populace dealt with crimes like that. So far removed from out of the ordinary...

Vampirism was actually an allusion to STDS and sex. It was considered improper to speak openly in texts about sex, so the biting on the neck was just a way of saying they had sex. Its also where other parts of the lore come from... IE you have to invite a vampire into your home... same thing, they're saying you willingly allow strangers into your home for sex, being a slut is a choice you made.

Like most old folk tales, it was meant to scare people into behaving. In this case to stop you from whoring around town and catching bad diseases.


While that is partially true, vampirism was also used to explain a number of medical conditions that were unknown at the time. Things like porphyria, rabies, varied other diseases and the comatose that woke up.

As far as cautionary tales go, vampirism was used as a cautionary tale against more than promiscuity, it was a warning to stay faithful to the church. Witchcraft, suicide, being unbaptised, and rebelling against the church were all ways that you could become a vampire.
 
2012-07-24 07:34:37 PM
www.biography.com

Took the stake out.

/Love that movie!
 
2012-07-24 07:44:00 PM

caddisfly: [img2.imagesbn.com image 300x450]


That book scared the bejeezus out of me! "Something is murdering my men." Creeeepy.
 
2012-07-24 07:52:10 PM

Granolabar: caddisfly: [img2.imagesbn.com image 300x450]

That book scared the bejeezus out of me! "Something is murdering my men." Creeeepy.


Hard to believe such a great book made for such an awful movie- death by synthesizer and horrible special effects. Hope they remake it soon. All of F. Paul Wilson's books are good, especially the Repairman Jack series and the Adversary Cycle (the Keep is the first in that series).
 
2012-07-24 07:55:20 PM
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2012-07-24 08:10:24 PM
Mostly unrelated, but..

I was playing poker in Vegas a few months ago at the Venetian, late night. There seemed to be a lot of eastern European types in town that weekend, and I wound up at a table with six of them. Thick accents. Any one of them would be right at home playing a generic Russian Mafia type. Despite the appearance, the guys were friendly, and they liked to gamble.

So we're in a hand together and my starting cards were shiat. It's cheap, so I'm still in for the moment. Betting stays light, then a guy two seats to the right of me bets strong. I fold, holding nothing of value.

The action continues around until we get to the fellow one to the right of the raiser, who's been staring at me and shaking his head since I folded. I finally ask what's up, and he replies:

"Why did you trust him? He's *farking Bulgarian*!" And he promptly raises the raiser.


I've thought about that statement several times since, and I'm still not sure what my take-away was. But the second raiser won the hand, so.. Maybe he's on to something. fark those untrustworthy Bulgarians, eh?

/foreign relations are odd at the poker table.
 
2012-07-24 08:27:43 PM

verbaltoxin: The only way I'd write something about vampires is if I used some of the old, weird Slavic folktales; such as, leaving whiskey at the vampire's grave ensures it won't come back to bother you,....



Leave some whisky at my grave and I promise not to haunt you..
 
2012-07-24 09:42:03 PM

Slaves2Darkness: Meh ... in some of the original vampire folk lore a vampire only lived for about 40 days. You know what else only lives for about 40 days? Somebody infected with rabies.

That is right a vampire is just some asshole with rabies and delusions of grandeur.


For rabies, the time from when behavioral abnormalities begin to death is usually more like 2 to 5 days. By the time the victim starts acting psychotic the infection is extremely advanced and has already caused a lot of damage.
 
2012-07-24 10:10:49 PM

Alpha Sierra Foxtrot: Does anyone really believe that the whole vampire thing started with Bram Stoker?

PSA for those of you considering reading Dracula the Un-Dead by Dacre Stoker: Don't. Just go read the original again. You'll feel more accomplished.


I was living with a friend when "Bram Stoker's Dracula" came out. She was so psyched about seeing it that she bought the original book and read it through, so she'd get as much out of it as possible.

I didn't go with her to the premier, for reasons that are unimportant here, but stayed home and played cards. I knew she was home when I heard the back door slam. Then I heard another sound. She'd thrown her wad of keys and fobs at the kitchen table, a small enamelled job, and it skipped off and sailed the length of the house, almost into the room where I was at the end of the hall. When I stepped out, I saw her standing in the kitchen with her fists balled and trembling at her sides.

"I don't know *whose* 'Dracula' I just saw," she growled, then shouted, "but it was NOT. BRAM. STOKER'S!"
 
2012-07-24 10:26:58 PM
Scoff if you must, but the stake in the chest obviously worked. He didn't rise out of his grave to terrorize the countryside.
 
2012-07-24 10:45:33 PM
Just had 5 teeth pulled so I'm getting a .......iron rod through the heart out of this?
 
2012-07-24 10:48:49 PM

Old_Chief_Scott: Gough: One of Vlad's victims???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_the_Impaler

This is a great piece of historical fiction. Not for the squeamish but a fascinatingly possible look at the times.


Ooooh! That sounds right up my alley. I love good, well-researched historical fiction (Gary Jennings, anyone?). Thanks for the tip.

/Supposedly have some Romanian gypsy in my blood.
//I've been known to look like I'm giving the evil eye
 
2012-07-24 11:15:40 PM
Ah, vampires. The bane of folk who didn't realize that dead bodies have many nasty ways of decay, and that various diseases/afflictions can cause bizarre physical symptoms and behavior.
 
2012-07-24 11:46:56 PM

Alonjar: Tsar_Bomba1: I was reading a criminal profiler's book and he suggested that the legends of vampires and werewolves could possibly come from serial killers way back then. People finding bodies that were slaughtered in some horrific manner - that may have been the way the populace dealt with crimes like that. So far removed from out of the ordinary...

Vampirism was actually an allusion to STDS and sex. It was considered improper to speak openly in texts about sex, so the biting on the neck was just a way of saying they had sex. Its also where other parts of the lore come from... IE you have to invite a vampire into your home... same thing, they're saying you willingly allow strangers into your home for sex, being a slut is a choice you made.

Like most old folk tales, it was meant to scare people into behaving. In this case to stop you from whoring around town and catching bad diseases.


Then the rod of iron is simply a way of saying, "gird thy manhood in sheep intestine before impaling evil"?
 
2012-07-25 02:02:57 AM

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: "I don't know *whose* 'Dracula' I just saw," she growled, then shouted, "but it was NOT. BRAM. STOKER'S!"


That was pretty close to my reaction, too. That flick was absolute crap and had nothing to do with Bram Stoker's novel. Plus, Keanu Reeves? That was insult added to injury.
 
2012-07-25 06:51:06 AM

El Brujo: As stated above, I would also love to travel to this part of Europe. Anyone here ever been to Bulgaria? I have an aunt who went a while ago and if I remember correctly, she didn't have a good trip. Granted, she is a lesbian from the US so (I am completely guessing here) perhaps that had something to do with it. I bet the women there are nice looking, but I'd reckon not a lot of gay pride over there?


I spent 2 weeks working on an archeological dig in Bulgaria - no vampire skeletons, unfortunately - in the city of Stara Zagora. Great experience. And the head of the program was most definitely gay. Look up Balkan Heritage Museum. Highly recommend it for an interesting way to see a less traveled area
 
2012-07-25 08:01:15 AM

SharkInfested: El Brujo: As stated above, I would also love to travel to this part of Europe. Anyone here ever been to Bulgaria? I have an aunt who went a while ago and if I remember correctly, she didn't have a good trip. Granted, she is a lesbian from the US so (I am completely guessing here) perhaps that had something to do with it. I bet the women there are nice looking, but I'd reckon not a lot of gay pride over there?

I spent 2 weeks working on an archeological dig in Bulgaria - no vampire skeletons, unfortunately - in the city of Stara Zagora. Great experience. And the head of the program was most definitely gay. Look up Balkan Heritage Museum. Highly recommend it for an interesting way to see a less traveled area


They still planting 'vampires' at the crossroads? I hear the remote villages still execute and bury criminals at the crossroads for fear they'll come back.
 
2012-07-25 09:01:22 AM

octopied: Ah, vampires. The bane of folk who didn't realize that dead bodies have many nasty ways of decay, and that various diseases/afflictions can cause bizarre physical symptoms and behavior.


Thank goodness that's all in the past, and no modern societies indulge in baseless superstition, wallow in ignorance, or proudly reject science.
 
2012-07-25 09:23:01 AM
Any ancient manuscripts found around the tomb?

4.bp.blogspot.com

Surprised I'm the first one in with this. Good book.
 
2012-07-25 10:15:47 AM
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If there is ever to be one crazy you don't stick your dick into, it would be this.
 
2012-07-25 01:33:46 PM
Stake dinner, eh?

//CSB time
wierd vampire. go to youtube, type in coffin creek. watch the motel 13 videos.
am the older cranky vampire with glasses.
see how many Fark lines you can find in there.
//endCSB
 
2012-07-25 05:11:28 PM

octopied: Ah, vampires. The bane of folk who didn't realize that dead bodies have many nasty ways of decay, and that various diseases/afflictions can cause bizarre physical symptoms and behavior.


This is an excellent read on all things vampire:

Link
 
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