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(Yahoo)   Hacker: I can gain entry to almost any hotel room in minutes by spoofing the key-code. Criminals: I can gain entry to any hotel room in seconds by breaking through the door   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 174
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2012-07-24 01:20:11 PM  
Breaking down the door is a lot more conspicuous.
 
2012-07-24 01:22:42 PM  
Criminals get jail.

Hackers get job offers.
 
2012-07-24 01:30:18 PM  

pizen: Breaking down the door is a lot more conspicuous.


Even though this^, I still laughed because of this:

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-07-24 01:40:47 PM  
And I can gain entry even easier by just going to the front desk and telling them I've lost my key and would they please get me another one.
 
2012-07-24 01:45:19 PM  

Rincewind53: And I can gain entry even easier by just going to the front desk and telling them I've lost my key and would they please get me another one.


Social Engineering: Because there is no patch for human stupidity.
 
2012-07-24 01:47:50 PM  

Nogrhi: Rincewind53: And I can gain entry even easier by just going to the front desk and telling them I've lost my key and would they please get me another one.

Social Engineering: Because there is no patch for human stupidity.


Exactly. I have literally never been asked to show ID to remagnetize a hotel key card.
 
2012-07-24 01:59:34 PM  

Coolfusis: pizen: Breaking down the door is a lot more conspicuous.

Even though this^, I still laughed because of this:

[imgs.xkcd.com image 448x274]


Torture doesn't work.
 
2012-07-24 03:04:06 PM  
snarkysmachine.files.wordpress.com
How to do a quick door hack
 
2012-07-24 03:04:50 PM  

Ricardo Klement: Torture doesn't always work.


FTFY
 
2012-07-24 03:05:07 PM  
i149.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-24 03:07:04 PM  
I love these types of reports. "For $50, you can steal people's stuff! Here's how!"

Kinda like last night's NBC News story on "soft targets" in London. "We're not telling you what to bomb, but it's IMPOSSIBLE to monitor all the traffic on all these buses!"
 
2012-07-24 03:07:27 PM  

Rincewind53: Nogrhi: Rincewind53: And I can gain entry even easier by just going to the front desk and telling them I've lost my key and would they please get me another one.

Social Engineering: Because there is no patch for human stupidity.

Exactly. I have literally never been asked to show ID to remagnetize a hotel key card.


that probably only works if you are white.
 
2012-07-24 03:07:44 PM  

Godscrack: Criminals get jail.

Hackers get job offers.


From corporate criminals who get no jail.
 
2012-07-24 03:08:01 PM  

Godscrack: Criminals get jail.

Hackers get job offers.


www.eurotv.us
O RLY?
 
2012-07-24 03:08:44 PM  
Ha ha! The jokes on you. I have nothing of value.
 
2012-07-24 03:09:34 PM  
It's a lot harder to break in when the chain/slide bolt is engaged.
 
2012-07-24 03:10:05 PM  

Rufus Lee King: Rincewind53: Nogrhi: Rincewind53: And I can gain entry even easier by just going to the front desk and telling them I've lost my key and would they please get me another one.

Social Engineering: Because there is no patch for human stupidity.

Exactly. I have literally never been asked to show ID to remagnetize a hotel key card.

If that's the case, youse guys are staying at the wrong sort of hotels.


Really. I've stayed in some shiatholes, and never NOT been asked for ID to get a room key.

I also wanted to point out how geeks love to trivialize their criminal activities (be it hacking, downloading intel. property or whatever) by comparing themselves to other criminals who just use different methods. See: This headline.
 
2012-07-24 03:10:21 PM  

kbronsito: Rincewind53: Nogrhi: Rincewind53: And I can gain entry even easier by just going to the front desk and telling them I've lost my key and would they please get me another one.

Social Engineering: Because there is no patch for human stupidity.

Exactly. I have literally never been asked to show ID to remagnetize a hotel key card.

that probably only works if you are white.


Definitely true. And articulate and polite.
 
2012-07-24 03:10:28 PM  

Rincewind53: And I can gain entry even easier by just going to the front desk and telling them I've lost my key and would they please get me another one.


Failing that a clipboard and a contractor looking outfit. Also being white helps.
 
2012-07-24 03:11:20 PM  

dj_spanmaster: It's a lot harder to break in when the chain/slide bolt is engaged.


The point is that by the time you reach the parking lot to go out for dinner, they can pop your door. Unless you climb out the window when you leave?
 
2012-07-24 03:11:58 PM  

Madbassist1: Rufus Lee King: Rincewind53: Nogrhi: Rincewind53: And I can gain entry even easier by just going to the front desk and telling them I've lost my key and would they please get me another one.

Social Engineering: Because there is no patch for human stupidity.

Exactly. I have literally never been asked to show ID to remagnetize a hotel key card.

If that's the case, youse guys are staying at the wrong sort of hotels.

Really. I've stayed in some shiatholes, and never NOT been asked for ID to get a room key.

I also wanted to point out how geeks love to trivialize their criminal activities (be it hacking, downloading intel. property or whatever) by comparing themselves to other criminals who just use different methods. See: This headline.


No no no, that trick would never work at a bad hotel, it would only work at a fairly decent hotel, one where the clerks presume everyone is telling the truth.
 
2012-07-24 03:13:46 PM  

Madbassist1: Rufus Lee King: Rincewind53: Nogrhi: Rincewind53: And I can gain entry even easier by just going to the front desk and telling them I've lost my key and would they please get me another one.

Social Engineering: Because there is no patch for human stupidity.

Exactly. I have literally never been asked to show ID to remagnetize a hotel key card.

If that's the case, youse guys are staying at the wrong sort of hotels.

Really. I've stayed in some shiatholes, and never NOT been asked for ID to get a room key.

I also wanted to point out how geeks love to trivialize their criminal activities (be it hacking, downloading intel. property or whatever) by comparing themselves to other criminals who just use different methods. See: This headline.



Er... what's the criminal activity here? There's nothing criminal about simply being capable of doing it. It would only be criminal if he actually went out and actually, you know... broke in.
 
2012-07-24 03:13:55 PM  

kbronsito: Rincewind53: Nogrhi: Rincewind53: And I can gain entry even easier by just going to the front desk and telling them I've lost my key and would they please get me another one.

Social Engineering: Because there is no patch for human stupidity.

Exactly. I have literally never been asked to show ID to remagnetize a hotel key card.

that probably only works if you are white.


I get asked every time. Last I checked, I'm white.
 
2012-07-24 03:14:11 PM  

Nogrhi: Rincewind53: And I can gain entry even easier by just going to the front desk and telling them I've lost my key and would they please get me another one.

Social Engineering: Because there is no patch for human stupidity.


True - but....

The front desk is almost certainly under CCTV surveillance and the person at the desk is likely to remember some specifics about you when they find the dead body in the room the next morning.
 
2012-07-24 03:15:03 PM  

ha-ha-guy: dj_spanmaster: It's a lot harder to break in when the chain/slide bolt is engaged.

The point is that by the time you reach the parking lot to go out for dinner, they can pop your door. Unless you climb out the window when you leave?


Doesn't everyone?
 
2012-07-24 03:15:32 PM  
Well duh. A cashier acting as a confederate can get your credit card information by second-swiping it in a recording device. More news please....
 
2012-07-24 03:15:35 PM  

Rincewind53: No no no, that trick would never work at a bad hotel, it would only work at a fairly decent hotel, one where the clerks presume everyone is telling the truth.


Trick is to dress and act like you belong there.
 
2012-07-24 03:15:43 PM  

China White Tea: Madbassist1: Rufus Lee King: Rincewind53: Nogrhi: Rincewind53: And I can gain entry even easier by just going to the front desk and telling them I've lost my key and would they please get me another one.

Social Engineering: Because there is no patch for human stupidity.

Exactly. I have literally never been asked to show ID to remagnetize a hotel key card.

If that's the case, youse guys are staying at the wrong sort of hotels.

Really. I've stayed in some shiatholes, and never NOT been asked for ID to get a room key.

I also wanted to point out how geeks love to trivialize their criminal activities (be it hacking, downloading intel. property or whatever) by comparing themselves to other criminals who just use different methods. See: This headline.


Er... what's the criminal activity here? There's nothing criminal about simply being capable of doing it. It would only be criminal if he actually went out and actually, you know... broke in.


DMCA probably criminalizes the knowledge of how to do it
 
2012-07-24 03:15:51 PM  
I'm pretty sure the hacker in this article can get in the room faster than breaking down the door, should his claims be legitimate (and I have no reason to think otherwise).

/does "hacker" even mean anything anymore?
 
2012-07-24 03:16:42 PM  
Hacker: I can gain entry to almost any hotel room in minutes by spoofing the key-code.
Criminals: I can gain entry to any hotel room in seconds by breaking through the door


I can pick most locks with a credit card?
 
2012-07-24 03:16:54 PM  

China White Tea: Er... what's the criminal activity here? There's nothing criminal about simply being capable of doing it. It would only be criminal if he actually went out and actually, you know... broke in.


You keep on thinking that when you go show that cop your shiny new lockpick set, dumbass.
 
2012-07-24 03:16:56 PM  
Most hotels I stay in have solid doors, large integrated lock sets, and solid jambs. I don't think you could easily kick one of those in like you could most residential doors.
 
2012-07-24 03:17:37 PM  
Hotels generally have some pretty beefy doors on their rooms. I've stayed at a pretty wide range of them, and I wouldn't want to have to kick through a solid wood door.

I get asked for ID probably 80% of the time when I lock my key in the room.
 
2012-07-24 03:17:38 PM  
Relevant


/obscure?
//I mean what are the odds of one of the 500,000 fark users having seen this totally indie movie with a bunch of no name actors...
 
2012-07-24 03:17:38 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: kbronsito: Rincewind53: Nogrhi: Rincewind53: And I can gain entry even easier by just going to the front desk and telling them I've lost my key and would they please get me another one.

Social Engineering: Because there is no patch for human stupidity.

Exactly. I have literally never been asked to show ID to remagnetize a hotel key card.

that probably only works if you are white.

I get asked every time. Last I checked, I'm white.


But are you white white or Irish white? Some of us still go by the old rules.
 
2012-07-24 03:18:14 PM  
The staff can get in and out whenever the hell they want. What's your point? If I wanted to rob hotel rooms I'd apply for a job as a janitor or bell boy or something.
 
2012-07-24 03:19:02 PM  
I was at a secuirty presentation by Kevin Mitnick who demonstrated a device literally up his sleeve which could clone many common door access proxy badges just by getting close enough to a pocket or belt hook where they were openly displayed. Then within seconds gain entry via those cloned credentials.

If the vendors were smart, they'd use PKI-based cards that don't give up their credentials to any request from a reader without the requester presenting a known cert.
 
2012-07-24 03:19:05 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: kbronsito: Rincewind53: Nogrhi: Rincewind53: And I can gain entry even easier by just going to the front desk and telling them I've lost my key and would they please get me another one.

Social Engineering: Because there is no patch for human stupidity.

Exactly. I have literally never been asked to show ID to remagnetize a hotel key card.

that probably only works if you are white.

I get asked every time. Last I checked, I'm white.




i.imgur.com

Um ... we've been meaning to talk to you.
 
2012-07-24 03:19:16 PM  

Madbassist1: China White Tea: Er... what's the criminal activity here? There's nothing criminal about simply being capable of doing it. It would only be criminal if he actually went out and actually, you know... broke in.

You keep on thinking that when you go show that cop your shiny new lockpick set, dumbass.


United States
In the United States, laws concerning possession of lock picks vary from state to state. Generally, possession and use of lock picks is considered equivalent to the possession of a crowbar or any other tool that may or may not be used in a burglary. Illegal possession of lock picks is generally prosecuted as a felony under the category of possession of burglary tools or similar statutes. In many states, simple possession is completely legal as their statutes require proof of intent.
In California, locksmiths must be licensed by the state.[1] However possession by laymen may be legal there and in most states, as illegal possession must be coupled with felonious or malicious intent.[2] This is also the case in Utah,[3] Massachusetts, Maine, New Hampshire, Washington, Washington D.C.,[citation needed] New York, and Arizona.[4]
 
2012-07-24 03:19:38 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: kbronsito: Rincewind53: Nogrhi: Rincewind53: And I can gain entry even easier by just going to the front desk and telling them I've lost my key and would they please get me another one.

Social Engineering: Because there is no patch for human stupidity.

Exactly. I have literally never been asked to show ID to remagnetize a hotel key card.

that probably only works if you are white.

I get asked every time. Last I checked, I'm white.


How's it been since you checked?
 
2012-07-24 03:19:43 PM  
Hooker: I can gain entry to almost any hotel room in minutes by blowing the key-holder.
 
2012-07-24 03:19:53 PM  

Madbassist1: China White Tea: Er... what's the criminal activity here? There's nothing criminal about simply being capable of doing it. It would only be criminal if he actually went out and actually, you know... broke in.

You keep on thinking that when you go show that cop your shiny new lockpick set, dumbass.


I have lockpicks. They are not illegal to own. Using them illegally can upgrade the severity of an offense or add additional charges (possession of burglary tools), but there's nothing illegal about owning some thin bits of metal.
 
2012-07-24 03:20:09 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Nogrhi: Rincewind53: And I can gain entry even easier by just going to the front desk and telling them I've lost my key and would they please get me another one.

Social Engineering: Because there is no patch for human stupidity.

True - but....

The front desk is almost certainly under CCTV surveillance and the person at the desk is likely to remember some specifics about you when they find the dead body in the room the next morning.


Whoa, whoa! I'm just wanna rip off some luggage. What's this sh*t about a dead body, Mr. Psycho?
 
2012-07-24 03:21:08 PM  

dj_spanmaster: It's a lot harder to break in when the chain/slide bolt is engaged.


If you are breaking in when the person is in the room you are doing it wrong.
 
2012-07-24 03:21:16 PM  

KFBR392: Relevant


/obscure?
//I mean what are the odds of one of the 500,000 fark users having seen this totally indie movie with a bunch of no name actors...


I love this movie. Seriously.
 
2012-07-24 03:21:46 PM  
Most hotel doors would actually be pretty damn hard to knock in. They're usually solid wood or steel with a steel frame. Or maybe that's just the kind of joints I stay in.
 
2012-07-24 03:21:51 PM  

Girion47: Madbassist1: China White Tea: Er... what's the criminal activity here? There's nothing criminal about simply being capable of doing it. It would only be criminal if he actually went out and actually, you know... broke in.

You keep on thinking that when you go show that cop your shiny new lockpick set, dumbass.

United States
In the United States, laws concerning possession of lock picks vary from state to state. Generally, possession and use of lock picks is considered equivalent to the possession of a crowbar or any other tool that may or may not be used in a burglary. Illegal possession of lock picks is generally prosecuted as a felony under the category of possession of burglary tools or similar statutes. In many states, simple possession is completely legal as their statutes require proof of intent.
In California, locksmiths must be licensed by the state.[1] However possession by laymen may be legal there and in most states, as illegal possession must be coupled with felonious or malicious intent.[2] This is also the case in Utah,[3] Massachusetts, Maine, New Hampshire, Washington, Washington D.C.,[citation needed] New York, and Arizona.[4]


What's your farking point? That the law is subjective? That means it's up to the cop if there is intent? You idiots go quoting laws like they're gospel and it's obvious you've never actually been involved with the court system.

This is not a troll.
 
2012-07-24 03:21:53 PM  
img395.imageshack.us

Most human problems can be solved by the appropriate charge of high explosives.
 
2012-07-24 03:23:07 PM  

Madbassist1: Girion47: Madbassist1: China White Tea: Er... what's the criminal activity here? There's nothing criminal about simply being capable of doing it. It would only be criminal if he actually went out and actually, you know... broke in.

You keep on thinking that when you go show that cop your shiny new lockpick set, dumbass.

United States
In the United States, laws concerning possession of lock picks vary from state to state. Generally, possession and use of lock picks is considered equivalent to the possession of a crowbar or any other tool that may or may not be used in a burglary. Illegal possession of lock picks is generally prosecuted as a felony under the category of possession of burglary tools or similar statutes. In many states, simple possession is completely legal as their statutes require proof of intent.
In California, locksmiths must be licensed by the state.[1] However possession by laymen may be legal there and in most states, as illegal possession must be coupled with felonious or malicious intent.[2] This is also the case in Utah,[3] Massachusetts, Maine, New Hampshire, Washington, Washington D.C.,[citation needed] New York, and Arizona.[4]

What's your farking point? That the law is subjective? That means it's up to the cop if there is intent? You idiots go quoting laws like they're gospel and it's obvious you've never actually been involved with the court system.

This is not a troll.


My farking point is I can buy a lockpick set, show it to a cop, and he'll probably ask why the fark I'm bothering him and to go away. A cop doesn't give a shiat if you have a set of tools, only if you use them in an illegal fashion
 
2012-07-24 03:25:12 PM  

Rapmaster2000: JohnAnnArbor: kbronsito: Rincewind53: Nogrhi: Rincewind53: And I can gain entry even easier by just going to the front desk and telling them I've lost my key and would they please get me another one.

Social Engineering: Because there is no patch for human stupidity.

Exactly. I have literally never been asked to show ID to remagnetize a hotel key card.

that probably only works if you are white.

I get asked every time. Last I checked, I'm white.

But are you white white or Irish white? Some of us still go by the old rules.


This.

He could be Italian-white. Or wears a trucker hat with a confederate flag on it.
While being white opens a lot of doors, there are some limits.
 
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