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2012-07-24 11:55:52 AM  
So, the nutbar even identifies himself as the Joker.
 
2012-07-24 12:04:59 PM  
Isn't it a little disrespectful to the legal process and to the victims to call this guy Sideshow Bob?
 
2012-07-24 12:08:00 PM  

ourbigdumbmouth: Isn't it a little disrespectful to the legal process and to the victims to call this guy Sideshow Bob?


No. Everyone is dehumanizing an individual who shouldn't be considered human.
 
2012-07-24 12:11:24 PM  

ourbigdumbmouth: Isn't it a little disrespectful to the legal process and to the victims to call this guy Sideshow Bob?


No. It's disrespectful to him. And that's kinda the point.

And when are we going to hear the calls for more bomb laws?!

Why didn't his apartment blow skyhigh? If he ready wanted to kill a lot of people and he really is as smart as people are saying he would have to know they would find where he lived. And the odds of him getting away were long. So why wouldnt he place a time triggered bomb in the apartment? Somewhere between 12 & 24 hours everyone and their mother will be crowded around that pace. Cops, reporters and looky Lous will be right there. And on the off chance you do get away you could deactivate it. Doesnt make sense.

And if he had bombs why didn't he use them in the attack??
 
2012-07-24 12:12:07 PM  
I don't think people should be able to make grenades either.

Fair enough?
 
2012-07-24 12:14:30 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: ourbigdumbmouth: Isn't it a little disrespectful to the legal process and to the victims to call this guy Sideshow Bob?

No. It's disrespectful to him. And that's kinda the point.

And when are we going to hear the calls for more bomb laws?!

Why didn't his apartment blow skyhigh? If he ready wanted to kill a lot of people and he really is as smart as people are saying he would have to know they would find where he lived. And the odds of him getting away were long. So why wouldnt he place a time triggered bomb in the apartment? Somewhere between 12 & 24 hours everyone and their mother will be crowded around that pace. Cops, reporters and looky Lous will be right there. And on the off chance you do get away you could deactivate it. Doesnt make sense.

And if he had bombs why didn't he use them in the attack??


He was probably hoping to kill some cops with it.
 
2012-07-24 12:25:39 PM  

James!: He was probably hoping to kill some cops with it.


But he had guaranteed kills that the theater if he used them there. By not using them there he has to admit that he took into consideration harm to himself. That wouldn't help his insanity defense. If they really go with the "he thought he was the Joker" consideration of harming himself shouldn't have factored into the attack.

Hope they get a comic book nerd on the jury. There is no way "I was acting like the Joker" will fly with anyone that knows anything about the Joker.
 
2012-07-24 12:29:23 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: James!: He was probably hoping to kill some cops with it.

But he had guaranteed kills that the theater if he used them there. By not using them there he has to admit that he took into consideration harm to himself. That wouldn't help his insanity defense. If they really go with the "he thought he was the Joker" consideration of harming himself shouldn't have factored into the attack.

Hope they get a comic book nerd on the jury. There is no way "I was acting like the Joker" will fly with anyone that knows anything about the Joker.


I think he was planning on using the insanity defense, but he isn't actually insane. You're right though he's not as smart as he thinks he is. I doubt he'll get an insanity plea. He'll probably get the death penalty.

I think he was hoping that some cops would just break the door down at his apartment and he'd have a whole new set of bodies.
 
2012-07-24 12:31:12 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: ourbigdumbmouth: Isn't it a little disrespectful to the legal process and to the victims to call this guy Sideshow Bob?

No. It's disrespectful to him. And that's kinda the point.

And when are we going to hear the calls for more bomb laws?!

Why didn't his apartment blow skyhigh? If he ready wanted to kill a lot of people and he really is as smart as people are saying he would have to know they would find where he lived. And the odds of him getting away were long. So why wouldnt he place a time triggered bomb in the apartment? Somewhere between 12 & 24 hours everyone and their mother will be crowded around that pace. Cops, reporters and looky Lous will be right there. And on the off chance you do get away you could deactivate it. Doesnt make sense.

And if he had bombs why didn't he use them in the attack??


I think we're still unclear on his intention and whether or not he accomplished his goal.

I'm getting the impression that things didn't go as planned for Sideshow Bob.
 
2012-07-24 12:34:53 PM  

ourbigdumbmouth: Isn't it a little disrespectful to the legal process and to the victims to call this guy Sideshow Bob?


I do know it's farking retarded.
 
2012-07-24 01:02:55 PM  
I thought his name was like James or John...
 
2012-07-24 01:03:59 PM  
FTA: The grenades were wired to a control box in the kitchen, which bomb technicians disabled with the help of a remote-controlled robot that squirted water on it.

Sounds sophisticated.
 
2012-07-24 01:05:29 PM  
What a total slacker! Now Here is a guy that had over 80 explosive devices in his house.

/Nobody was blowed up in this case.
 
2012-07-24 01:05:40 PM  

xanadian: So, the nutbar even identifies himself as the Joker.


He's one of the Jokerz from Batman Beyond.
 
2012-07-24 01:06:09 PM  
Isn't it about time we put apartments on the table for discussion about making them illegal? Along with costumes.
 
2012-07-24 01:06:14 PM  
Did anyone mention that Holmes wasn't wearing body armor?

He was wearing a Blackhawk "urban assault vest" which is the Airsoft equivalent of a tactical fishing vest.
 
2012-07-24 01:07:12 PM  
CNN: following everyone else now for 30 years.
 
2012-07-24 01:07:36 PM  

Headso: I thought his name was like James or John...


Maybe you should try scrolling down the mainpage a little to see why the name in the headline was used.
 
2012-07-24 01:08:10 PM  

probesport: FTA: The grenades were wired to a control box in the kitchen, which bomb technicians disabled with the help of a remote-controlled robot that squirted water on it.

Sounds sophisticated.


A modern computer is pretty sophisticated. It doesn't stand up very well to water either.
 
2012-07-24 01:09:19 PM  
When is the gun community going to do something to prevent people like Holmes from killing innocent people?
 
2012-07-24 01:09:20 PM  
If I stare too long, I'd probably break down and cry.
 
2012-07-24 01:10:06 PM  
This shiat is pretty sad. I'm not much older than him and its awful that he killed all the people in such a heartless manner, but man..he's a goddamn kid. People are quick to condemn these folks as sick farks but you have to be really ill to want to do this.

It's kind of scary he did call himself the joker. I can't wait til they finish the investigation and release information on what he had in his house other than explosives and whatnot.

/that's why I'm always nice to the weirdos I work with
//worked with some people I was sure would shoot us all up
///davechappelle.jpg
 
2012-07-24 01:10:10 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Why didn't his apartment blow skyhigh? If he ready wanted to kill a lot of people and he really is as smart as people are saying he would have to know they would find where he lived. And the odds of him getting away were long. So why wouldnt he place a time triggered bomb in the apartment? Somewhere between 12 & 24 hours everyone and their mother will be crowded around that pace. Cops, reporters and looky Lous will be right there. And on the off chance you do get away you could deactivate it. Doesnt make sense.


He left a stereo on a timer so it'd start blaring loud music around midnight while he was at the theatre. There was an article a few days ago about a woman at his complex who went up to knock on his door and get him to turn it off; after getting no answer, she said she tried the handle, and it didn't feel locked, but she still just went back to her apartment.

If all that's accurate, then he was probably hoping to get someone to actually open the door and trigger the explosives (possibly with a crowd of disgruntled neighbours around), rather than just set them off while everyone was in their beds.
 
2012-07-24 01:10:11 PM  

Muta: When is the gun community going to do something to prevent people like Holmes from killing innocent people?


The gun community needs to get together with the good Muslims.
 
2012-07-24 01:10:32 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Hope they get a comic book nerd on the jury. There is no way "I was acting like the Joker" will fly with anyone that knows anything about the Joker.


Uh, didn't you get the memo? Comic book nerds are dangerous sociopaths. There's no way one of those people would be allowed on a jury.

Soon, some journalist will discover "The Killing Joke" and reveal what drove this previously normal young man with a promising future to commit this horrible atrocity.
 
2012-07-24 01:10:50 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: And if he had bombs why didn't he use them in the attack??


He didn't want to kill himself.
 
2012-07-24 01:11:05 PM  

Muta: When is the gun community going to do something to prevent people like Holmes from killing innocent people?


Just as soon as we get a clear shot.
 
2012-07-24 01:11:24 PM  
"These acts of heroism and sacrifice are the essence of what military service is about -- putting your life on the line to defend those who are part of the American family," Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta said in a statement Monday.
 
2012-07-24 01:11:25 PM  
It's insane. It's just like anyone can just walk up and buy ALL the gasoline they want.
 
2012-07-24 01:11:59 PM  
One of these reporters should carry around 1000 rounds of ammo and then get back to us on how easy it would be to kill alot of people while humping 30+ pounds of ammo....hell 6000 rounds, loose, weighs 180+ pounds.

the large number of bullets sounds very very scary....but in practicality you don;t carry it around.
 
2012-07-24 01:12:01 PM  

CAADbury: Did anyone mention that Holmes wasn't wearing body armor?


You can't sensationalize a lack of body armor. Honestly, the whole story is a circus right now and it's not helping anything. This article is probably the best thing I've seen about it so far.
 
2012-07-24 01:12:39 PM  
CNN reports that Sideshow Bob.....

Drew, stop trying to make "fetch" happen! It's not going to happen!
 
2012-07-24 01:12:42 PM  

Muta: When is the gun community going to do something to prevent people like Holmes from killing innocent people?


Just as soon as Illinois passes a CCW and levels the playing field.

/Personally I think you are a farking troll.
 
2012-07-24 01:12:55 PM  
Dude was definitely thorough. That's why an insanity defense will not work.
 
2012-07-24 01:13:09 PM  

paygun: Muta: When is the gun community going to do something to prevent people like Holmes from killing innocent people?

The gun community needs to get together with the good Muslims.


And the peaceful antiabortion activists.
 
2012-07-24 01:13:22 PM  

Muta: When is the gun community going to do something to prevent people like Holmes from killing innocent people?


Well the problem is that Colorado has all guns banned and nobody can get a gun to safe the day and oh wait.
 
2012-07-24 01:13:41 PM  
Forcing the "Sideshow Bob" meme is lame, even by Fark standards.
 
2012-07-24 01:14:02 PM  

Parthenogenetic: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Hope they get a comic book nerd on the jury. There is no way "I was acting like the Joker" will fly with anyone that knows anything about the Joker.

Uh, didn't you get the memo? Comic book nerds are dangerous sociopaths. There's no way one of those people would be allowed on a jury.

Soon, some journalist will discover "The Killing Joke" and reveal what drove this previously normal young man with a promising future to commit this horrible atrocity.


I've been saying it for years. Alan Moore needs to be STOPPED.
 
2012-07-24 01:15:06 PM  

Muta: When is the gun community going to do something to prevent people like Holmes from killing innocent people?


Just give us the list of everyone who plans to do a mass killing in the U.S. in the next 10-15 years and we'll get right on that for you.
 
2012-07-24 01:15:11 PM  

James!: He was probably hoping to kill some cops with it.


Except that he told the cops about the bomb threat in his apartment. That part of this doesn't make sense to me... I remember reading one article where his downstairs neighbor said that at midnight techno-music started blasting from his apartment (and turned off at 1am), she went upstairs against recommendations from her boyfriend to bang on his door about turing the music off... there was no answer so I guess she said screw it. But that kind of makes me think this scenerio had played out between them before and perhaps she was the target of that one...

/conjecture
 
2012-07-24 01:16:44 PM  

Giltric: One of these reporters should carry around 1000 rounds of ammo and then get back to us on how easy it would be to kill alot of people while humping 30+ pounds of ammo....hell 6000 rounds, loose, weighs 180+ pounds.

the large number of bullets sounds very very scary....but in practicality you don;t carry it around.


I always wonder when they report "1000s" of rounds how much of it is .22 ammo, since that stuff is usually sold in larger quantities (like 500?). Most shooters probably have "1000s" of rounds of .22LR.
 
2012-07-24 01:16:49 PM  
If we just banned the sale of gasoline we would be much better off.
 
2012-07-24 01:17:27 PM  

Giltric: One of these reporters should carry around 1000 rounds of ammo and then get back to us on how easy it would be to kill alot of people while humping 30+ pounds of ammo....hell 6000 rounds, loose, weighs 180+ pounds.

the large number of bullets sounds very very scary....but in practicality you don;t carry it around.


no kidding. When I buy online I have to find "free shipping"... cause 1000+ rounds by mail gets expensive

 
2012-07-24 01:17:28 PM  
I approve of the last line of this headline.
 
2012-07-24 01:18:53 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: nd if he had bombs why didn't he use them in the attack??


Well, he already had the big guns. Why would he put them both to use in the same space when he could spread it out and possibly do more damage?
 
2012-07-24 01:19:28 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: ourbigdumbmouth: Isn't it a little disrespectful to the legal process and to the victims to call this guy Sideshow Bob?

No. It's disrespectful to him. And that's kinda the point.

And when are we going to hear the calls for more bomb laws?!

Why didn't his apartment blow skyhigh? If he ready wanted to kill a lot of people and he really is as smart as people are saying he would have to know they would find where he lived. And the odds of him getting away were long. So why wouldnt he place a time triggered bomb in the apartment? Somewhere between 12 & 24 hours everyone and their mother will be crowded around that pace. Cops, reporters and looky Lous will be right there. And on the off chance you do get away you could deactivate it. Doesnt make sense.

And if he had bombs why didn't he use them in the attack??


Bombs (especially the homemade kind since you can't get shrapnel grenades since they are regulated)) are not user friendly. The user of homemade IEDs has nearly as good of a chance of blowing his or her own ass up as they do of killing anyone else. Guns are the device of choice since they are largely unregulated and very safe for the user.
 
2012-07-24 01:20:01 PM  
Geez Sheeple, are we really going to do this sideshow bob thing just cuz Drew said so? Sorry Drew but it's not even remotely clever.
 
2012-07-24 01:20:08 PM  
How did he make the gasoline at home?
 
2012-07-24 01:20:21 PM  
As for the "1000s" of rounds, a kill count of 12 is pretty piss poor.

/reporters are alarmist idiots
 
Zel [TotalFark]
2012-07-24 01:20:51 PM  
Well two days ago there was that story about an attempted armed robbery in a florida internet cafe; and the elderly man with handgun training saved the day.

I think the NRA's pushing CCW with the intent of stopping these massacres. If the Aurora Cinema had not banned CCW internally, perhaps a victim would have stopped the badguy.


Or the wild multi-directional firing in the dark would have led to many more casualties... whatever.
 
2012-07-24 01:21:12 PM  

PowerSlacker: Forcing the "Sideshow Bob" meme is lame, even by Fark standards.


Agreed.
 
2012-07-24 01:21:46 PM  

PowerSlacker: Forcing the "Sideshow Bob" meme is lame, even by Fark standards.



I would have picked a different name, but I totally agree with the idea.

This guy is the typical attention-seeker who couldn't get anyone to pay attention..... so he did something stupid and affected a lot of people. It has been said that he believes he's in a movie. Why give him any attention? He wants to be famous.... even in a bad way. I would rather humiliate him as much as possible. Even if he doesn't get on the internet, someone in jail will eventually tell him what's being said about him. Let him hear jokes about his looks and actions. Make him feel as pathetic as he is....

And the hair does look idiotic. Sideshow Bob is a good match.
 
2012-07-24 01:22:11 PM  

James!: The Stealth Hippopotamus: James!: He was probably hoping to kill some cops with it.

But he had guaranteed kills that the theater if he used them there. By not using them there he has to admit that he took into consideration harm to himself. That wouldn't help his insanity defense. If they really go with the "he thought he was the Joker" consideration of harming himself shouldn't have factored into the attack.

Hope they get a comic book nerd on the jury. There is no way "I was acting like the Joker" will fly with anyone that knows anything about the Joker.

I think he was planning on using the insanity defense, but he isn't actually insane. You're right though he's not as smart as he thinks he is. I doubt he'll get an insanity plea. He'll probably get the death penalty.

I think he was hoping that some cops would just break the door down at his apartment and he'd have a whole new set of bodies.


He actually thought the police would answer a noise complaint. He must have no common sense.
 
2012-07-24 01:24:20 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Geez Sheeple, are we really going to do this sideshow bob thing just cuz Drew said so? Sorry Drew but it's not even remotely clever.


And, as Sideshow Bob himself lamented, he never actually succeeded in killing anybody...that was part of the (Simpsons) joke...he was ineffective as he was brilliant. This guy, not so much.
 
2012-07-24 01:24:28 PM  

bim1154: Muta: When is the gun community going to do something to prevent people like Holmes from killing innocent people?

Just as soon as Illinois passes a CCW and levels the playing field.

/Personally I think you are a farking troll.


How does Illinois CCW law prevent someone from stopping a killing spree in Colorado?

/Personally, I think you're an idiot.
 
2012-07-24 01:24:31 PM  
just once could these rampaging loons go after some banksters!?!??!
 
2012-07-24 01:24:33 PM  
actually CNN...

a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net
 
2012-07-24 01:24:50 PM  
Well duh, they were using their handy dandy chart:

www.examiner.com

They probably mistook a grenade for an AK-47.
 
2012-07-24 01:26:49 PM  

bim1154: Muta: When is the gun community going to do something to prevent people like Holmes from killing innocent people?

Just as soon as Illinois passes a CCW and levels the playing field.

/Personally I think you are a farking troll.


Same could be said for you. Colorado is a gun happy state with relatively easy CCW permitting.

The Theater, on the other hand, considered itself a gun free zone.

Aside from that, most hones analyses make it pretty clear that more guns would only have meant more casualties.

And yes, Einstein... I'm militarily trained in weapons use.
 
2012-07-24 01:27:06 PM  
The fact is there needs to be reasonable regulations on purchasing gasoline. The founding fathers had no way of knowing that just anyone can walk to a gas station and purchase 10 gallons of gas to fill their high capacity assault can.
 
2012-07-24 01:27:13 PM  
James Holmes' Goofy Behavior Sign of Psychosis or Faking It, Expert Says

Nope, not The Onion.

That's some fine psychology work there, Lou.
 
2012-07-24 01:27:29 PM  
no one cares how much you think you know about guns.
 
2012-07-24 01:27:48 PM  
Wait... so in the CNN picture which one is the AK-47? is it the AR-15 or the shotgun?
 
2012-07-24 01:28:37 PM  
Is there any problem that can't be solved with a gun?
 
2012-07-24 01:29:14 PM  

hdhale: Muta: When is the gun community going to do something to prevent people like Holmes from killing innocent people?

Just give us the list of everyone who plans to do a mass killing in the U.S. in the next 10-15 years and we'll get right on that for you.


It will be a gun owner.
 
2012-07-24 01:29:44 PM  
I find the bullshiat how an armed patron in the theatre could have taken this guy down before major casualties occurred is bullshiat.

There's no telling how people react in a situation like that. It could have been over by the time you gathered your wits enough to draw, or worse, in the darkness you would have killed other moviegoers instead of the doer.
 
2012-07-24 01:31:01 PM  

vegasj: Giltric: One of these reporters should carry around 1000 rounds of ammo and then get back to us on how easy it would be to kill alot of people while humping 30+ pounds of ammo....hell 6000 rounds, loose, weighs 180+ pounds.

the large number of bullets sounds very very scary....but in practicality you don;t carry it around.

no kidding. When I buy online I have to find "free shipping"... cause 1000+ rounds by mail gets expensive


Ah, the guy with theory that the President is secretly working the black panthers is ordering thousands of rounds. Do you get free shipping on your tinfoil hats? Is it more expensive to buy the hats pre-made, or do you make them yourself to keep your money out of the hands of big tinfoil?
 
2012-07-24 01:32:00 PM  

Jake Havechek: There's no telling how people react in a situation like that. It could have been over by the time you gathered your wits enough to draw, or worse, in the darkness you would have killed other moviegoers instead of the doer.


No, not all the time there isn't a way of telling...

but those properly carrying & who are trained for it do this.

 
2012-07-24 01:32:28 PM  

pacified: Is there any problem that can't be solved with a gun?


The Riemann Hypothesis?
 
2012-07-24 01:32:36 PM  
I think calling him Sideshow Bob will actually end up bringing more attention to him. The Simpsons have been around a long, long time and will still be with reruns and such... so Sideshow Bob will be in the collective conscious for a long time and if you associate Bob with this guy, well... he's going to be remembered even if only by association.

I stand by that calling him by his actual, very common name is actually the easiest way to make him lose notoriety if that's you're goal.
 
2012-07-24 01:32:50 PM  

vegasj: Jake Havechek: There's no telling how people react in a situation like that. It could have been over by the time you gathered your wits enough to draw, or worse, in the darkness you would have killed other moviegoers instead of the doer.

No, not all the time there isn't a way of telling...

but those properly carrying & who are trained for it do this.


That is completely different.
 
2012-07-24 01:33:11 PM  
He murdered people with guns.
 
2012-07-24 01:33:12 PM  
your*
 
2012-07-24 01:33:32 PM  

vegasj: actually CNN...

[a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net image 850x544]


You don't know the difference between thousand and thousands do you?
 
2012-07-24 01:33:49 PM  

Person: I think calling him Sideshow Bob will actually end up bringing more attention to him. The Simpsons have been around a long, long time and will still be with reruns and such... so Sideshow Bob will be in the collective conscious for a long time and if you associate Bob with this guy, well... he's going to be remembered even if only by association.

I stand by that calling him by his actual, very common name is actually the easiest way to make him lose notoriety if that's you're goal.


Because referring to suicide bombers as "homicide bombers" ended the practice, right?
 
2012-07-24 01:34:20 PM  

tukatz: PowerSlacker: Forcing the "Sideshow Bob" meme is lame, even by Fark standards.


I would have picked a different name, but I totally agree with the idea.

This guy is the typical attention-seeker who couldn't get anyone to pay attention..... so he did something stupid and affected a lot of people. It has been said that he believes he's in a movie. Why give him any attention? He wants to be famous.... even in a bad way. I would rather humiliate him as much as possible. Even if he doesn't get on the internet, someone in jail will eventually tell him what's being said about him. Let him hear jokes about his looks and actions. Make him feel as pathetic as he is....

And the hair does look idiotic. Sideshow Bob is a good match.


If you want to stop feeding the attention whore, stop posting stories about him until his trial.
 
2012-07-24 01:34:24 PM  

Headso: I thought his name was like James or John...


If he has to have a name, he'd prefer it to be multiple choice
 
2012-07-24 01:35:37 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: He murdered people with guns.


Why aren't you out solving cold cases, detective?
 
2012-07-24 01:36:00 PM  
As a proud member of the National Homemade Grenade Association, I applaud news organizations for not using imagery of homemade grenades used during this horrible tragedy to foment anti-homemade grenade hysteria.

There is no shortage of disturbed individuals out there, and no law is going to prevent them from access to homemade grenades.
 
2012-07-24 01:36:56 PM  

Jake Havechek: I find the bullshiat how an armed patron in the theatre could have taken this guy down before major casualties occurred is bullshiat.

There's no telling how people react in a situation like that. It could have been over by the time you gathered your wits enough to draw, or worse, in the darkness you would have killed other moviegoers instead of the doer.


There's a lot of probabilities about how a citizen would be able to take the guy down. It depends on where they sit, if they're among the first to get shot, if they're exposed to the tear gas or in the storm of chaos in the dark theatre and if they're able to react fast enough to the realization of "Oh shiat he has armor" since people generally aim for the torso and vitals because it has bigger mass and able to pull off a headshot before the shooter finishes them.

And I don't think nobody in the theatre was restricted from having a gun. Colorado is a very lax place for guns and they may either don't want a gun or thought "Oh nothing bad will happen".
 
2012-07-24 01:37:26 PM  

Frank N Stein: HotWingConspiracy: He murdered people with guns.

Why aren't you out solving cold cases, detective?


Also, guns don't kill you by looking at them.
 
2012-07-24 01:37:49 PM  

Felgraf: indoorplant: HERO!

[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 403x369]

Wha? What is thep oint of this photoshop?


10/10 - It has generated a lot of comments.
 
2012-07-24 01:38:07 PM  
I'm going to purchase an Ar-15 and there's not a thing you can do about. Stay mad, gun grabbers.
 
2012-07-24 01:39:18 PM  

fonebone77: probesport: FTA: The grenades were wired to a control box in the kitchen, which bomb technicians disabled with the help of a remote-controlled robot that squirted water on it.

Sounds sophisticated.

A modern computer is pretty sophisticated. It doesn't stand up very well to water either.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-07-24 01:40:04 PM  
Sounds like subby has a boner for guns. Better buy 100 more before Obama takes them all away.
 
2012-07-24 01:41:08 PM  

Frank N Stein: I'm going to purchase an Ar-15 and there's not a thing you can do about. Stay mad, gun grabbers.


They could shoot you.
 
2012-07-24 01:41:22 PM  

vegasj: actually CNN...

[a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net image 850x544]


I am right there with you, but that pic uses the littlest bullet out there.

This is what 1000 rounds of Nato 5.56 looks like. It weighs 28 pounds.

www.slickguns.com
 
2012-07-24 01:41:25 PM  

Muta: hdhale: Muta: When is the gun community going to do something to prevent people like Holmes from killing innocent people?

Just give us the list of everyone who plans to do a mass killing in the U.S. in the next 10-15 years and we'll get right on that for you.

It will be a gun owner.


It will also be someone with a penis. We must ban penises.
 
2012-07-24 01:41:54 PM  

vegasj: actually CNN...

[a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net image 850x544]


Without any reference to the depth of that tray and the size of those boxes, it is quite possible that both images are correct.

/Straws, you are grasping at them.
 
2012-07-24 01:41:55 PM  
If this dude would've tried this shiat while I was watching a first run feature, I would've walked up and snatched that gun out of his hand, shoved it up his ass, and pulled the trigger until it goes click. Popcorn is expensive, man. Nobody farks with my popcorn.
 
2012-07-24 01:42:58 PM  
www.armoryblog.com

Alton Brown gearing up for what will undoubtably be a massacre.
 
2012-07-24 01:43:37 PM  

PowerSlacker: Forcing the "Sideshow Bob" meme is lame, even by Fark standards.


How about we call him "asshat"? No one around here calls people asshat anymore.

TFH: CNN reports that Sideshow Bob Asshat had 30 homemade grenades and gasoline in his apartment ready to blow. Naturally CNN gives you big scary gun photos that might kill you if you stare too long

Headline still works.
 
2012-07-24 01:43:56 PM  
Remember: In America, if you want to keep @ssholes with zero firearms training from being able to shoot 70 people to death, YOU'RE THE CRAZY ONE. What a country!
 
2012-07-24 01:44:13 PM  

griffer: I approve of the last line of this headline.


Shut your hole.
 
2012-07-24 01:44:15 PM  

Funbags: As a proud member of the National Homemade Grenade Association, I applaud news organizations for not using imagery of homemade grenades used during this horrible tragedy to foment anti-homemade grenade hysteria.

There is no shortage of disturbed individuals out there, and no law is going to prevent them from access to homemade grenades.


upload.wikimedia.org
Does not approve
 
2012-07-24 01:46:48 PM  

PowerSlacker: Forcing the "Sideshow Bob" meme is lame, even by Fark standards.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-24 01:46:56 PM  

doubled99: It's insane. It's just like anyone can just walk up and buy ALL the gasoline they want.


kvinesknows: If we just banned the sale of gasoline we would be much better off.


Frank N Stein: The fact is there needs to be reasonable regulations on purchasing gasoline. The founding fathers had no way of knowing that just anyone can walk to a gas station and purchase 10 gallons of gas to fill their high capacity assault can.


Okay, who issued this retarded talking point?
 
2012-07-24 01:46:58 PM  

Jake Havechek: I find the bullshiat how an armed patron in the theatre could have taken this guy down before major casualties occurred is bullshiat.

There's no telling how people react in a situation like that. It could have been over by the time you gathered your wits enough to draw, or worse, in the darkness you would have killed other moviegoers instead of the doer.


Yup thats all true. So instead of attempting to stop him, just lay down and die like a good boy. Thx!!
 
2012-07-24 01:47:50 PM  

griffer: vegasj: actually CNN...

[a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net image 850x544]

I am right there with you, but that pic uses the littlest bullet out there.

This is what 1000 rounds of Nato 5.56 looks like. It weighs 28 pounds.

[www.slickguns.com image 320x324]


Also, the caption says thousands of rounds but the realistic pic shows slightly over one thousand.
 
2012-07-24 01:47:54 PM  

griffer: This is what 1000 rounds of Nato 5.56 looks like. It weighs 28 pounds.


Why did they switch to wussy rounds? 7.62x51mm NATO better.
 
2012-07-24 01:48:10 PM  

xanadian: ourbigdumbmouth: Isn't it a little disrespectful to the legal process and to the victims to call this guy Sideshow Bob?

No. Everyone is dehumanizing an individual who shouldn't be considered human.


So, you're saying that the best way of dealing with someone who's mentally ill, is to sh*t kick them whenever possible.

Nothing like stigmatizing mental illness. Perhaps we can get some leeches and bleed the evil out of them.
 
2012-07-24 01:48:39 PM  

img.photobucket.com

2nd Amendment Hero



But seriously, those people that got killed should have been carrying scoped rifles that day.
 
2012-07-24 01:48:42 PM  
Are people here really implying that guns should be banned because of this assclown? I guess some people are too blind to see the ramifications of such an action. Maybe they think a law would make guns disappear or something or perhaps they trust in people so much they assume no one would dare sell a gun if they were illegal. Maybe they also believe criminals and dangerous people would stop using guns if they become illegal.
 
2012-07-24 01:49:52 PM  

Madbassist1: Jake Havechek: I find the bullshiat how an armed patron in the theatre could have taken this guy down before major casualties occurred is bullshiat.

There's no telling how people react in a situation like that. It could have been over by the time you gathered your wits enough to draw, or worse, in the darkness you would have killed other moviegoers instead of the doer.

Yup thats all true. So instead of attempting to stop him, just lay down and die like a good boy. Thx!!


Most shooting sprees last under 5 minutes, so figure it out, Superman. Like most people you would have pissed your pants and ran.
 
2012-07-24 01:50:11 PM  
Here's the futility of this exercise.

Columbine happened in Colorado, people SCREAMED we need tougher gun laws, some posturing was made, people forgot, nothing changed.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

You need 140 hours of classroom instruction to become a Real Estate agent.

You need to take multiple tests of a graduated license before you can drive a car.

But a gun?
 
2012-07-24 01:50:29 PM  
I'm just glad it was bullets instead of gasoline if it had to happen at all. In one office I worked we filled plastic milk jugs with water and left them at the coffee stations since we didn't have running water at them or any support staff. Most of us could carry 3 to 4 gallons in each hand. He looks pretty weak so maybe 6 gallons unless he packed some on his back in addition. He could have easily splattered a gallon at the exit door, got to another exit door to herd them in and tossed the rest into the air to splatter throughout the theatre except for one to throw at the biggest clump of people trying to get out of any other available exits. The body count would be pretty high I think and the injuries would be life-long hell. The only thing worse than seeing bodies that have drowned and have been under for a while is bodies that have been burned.

This douche had issues and he would have found a way even if he couldn't have gotten his paws on a firearm. I can't fathom what would make someone want to do this.
 
2012-07-24 01:50:52 PM  

Madbassist1: Jake Havechek: I find the bullshiat how an armed patron in the theatre could have taken this guy down before major casualties occurred is bullshiat.

There's no telling how people react in a situation like that. It could have been over by the time you gathered your wits enough to draw, or worse, in the darkness you would have killed other moviegoers instead of the doer.

Yup thats all true. So instead of attempting to stop him, just lay down and die like a good boy. Thx!!


Or run. The survivors had to run from the legal gun owner.
 
2012-07-24 01:51:46 PM  
All hail Aurora!

Where despite Colorado's CCW laws you can't carry a gun publicly. Thanks to hissy fit panties over their heads lib-tards reacting to gang violence that plagues Aurora (oops, didn't the MSM tell you that?)

Neither did the State Media tell you about the act of bravery in Aurora of an armed man who capped a violent perp's as, killed him dead after he came gunning for the people in a church and only killed two before he was dropped like a stone.

But you can't publicly carry in Aurora, you just said so.

That's right, but off-duty police can, and you're not police so your options are to run and cower. Because Aurora doesn't trust you with the 2nd Amendment.

When the sign says no guns allowed, that means only the bad guys will have guns
 
2012-07-24 01:52:45 PM  
Guns are for pussies.
 
2012-07-24 01:53:39 PM  

Precision Boobery: James Holmes' Goofy Behavior Sign of Psychosis or Faking It, Expert Says

Nope, not The Onion.

That's some fine psychology work there, Lou.


Yeah, talking heads talking out of their asses. The host says that the jail said that he wasn't on drugs, but the jail has actually made no such statement (not that I can find). He may have been putting on an act, but it's hard to fake blown pupils, which is what he had. His pupils were at least three times larger than they should have been for the light level in that room. He was most definitely drugged.

His mental status was not under consideration in yesterday's proceedings. All that happened yesterday was a determination of sufficient evidence to proceed with a case against him. Any evaluation of his mental status will come after his arraignment next Monday. The judge will probably order it then.
 
2012-07-24 01:53:45 PM  

MattyFridays: Here's the futility of this exercise.

Columbine happened in Colorado, people SCREAMED we need tougher gun laws, some posturing was made, people forgot, nothing changed.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

You need 140 hours of classroom instruction to become a Real Estate agent.

You need to take multiple tests of a graduated license before you can drive a car.

But a gun?


How many cases of real estate fraud happen through the real estate agent not disclosing what they legally have to disclose to the buyer...how many car accidents...both are highly regulated right?

Didn;t we just see an era where real estate agents and licnesed regulated brokers claimed the purchaser could afford the balloon payment of 40k when it comes due?
 
2012-07-24 01:54:42 PM  

PowerSlacker: tukatz: PowerSlacker: Forcing the "Sideshow Bob" meme is lame, even by Fark standards.


I would have picked a different name, but I totally agree with the idea.

This guy is the typical attention-seeker who couldn't get anyone to pay attention..... so he did something stupid and affected a lot of people. It has been said that he believes he's in a movie. Why give him any attention? He wants to be famous.... even in a bad way. I would rather humiliate him as much as possible. Even if he doesn't get on the internet, someone in jail will eventually tell him what's being said about him. Let him hear jokes about his looks and actions. Make him feel as pathetic as he is....

And the hair does look idiotic. Sideshow Bob is a good match.

If you want to stop feeding the attention whore, stop posting stories about him until his trial.


I understand he doesn't have access to the Intarwebs, (or a FARK handle) while he's in jail.

Don't clutter up that purty little head with worry.
 
2012-07-24 01:54:44 PM  

ImmaHoopyFrood: I'm just glad it was bullets instead of gasoline if it had to happen at all. In one office I worked we filled plastic milk jugs with water and left them at the coffee stations since we didn't have running water at them or any support staff. Most of us could carry 3 to 4 gallons in each hand. He looks pretty weak so maybe 6 gallons unless he packed some on his back in addition. He could have easily splattered a gallon at the exit door, got to another exit door to herd them in and tossed the rest into the air to splatter throughout the theatre except for one to throw at the biggest clump of people trying to get out of any other available exits. The body count would be pretty high I think and the injuries would be life-long hell. The only thing worse than seeing bodies that have drowned and have been under for a while is bodies that have been burned.

This douche had issues and he would have found a way even if he couldn't have gotten his paws on a firearm. I can't fathom what would make someone want to do this.


Dude idolized Inglorious Basterds.
 
2012-07-24 01:55:20 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: When the sign says no guns allowed, that means only the bad guys will have guns


He was prepared for return fire.
 
2012-07-24 01:56:02 PM  
Face it, bullet-heads - Sideshow Bob SHOT all those innocent people - with a gun. He didn't blow them up with homemade grenades.
Stop throwing a sniveling sh*t-fit every time the news media posts a picture of one.
 
2012-07-24 01:57:18 PM  

oldfarthenry: Face it, bullet-heads - Sideshow Bob SHOT all those innocent people - with a gun. He didn't blow them up with homemade grenades.
Stop throwing a sniveling sh*t-fit every time the news media posts a picture of one.


It's bizarre, normally they fill up these threads masturbating to their own pictures. Now just the image of a gun is leftist propaganda to them.
 
2012-07-24 01:58:50 PM  

Muta: When is the gun community going to do something to prevent people like Holmes from killing innocent people?


Yeah.

And I'd just like to point out that grenades are already highly illegal but this guy somehow had 30 of them.

I'm sure gun laws would have stopped him from procuring any...
 
2012-07-24 01:59:54 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: All hail Aurora!

Where despite Colorado's CCW laws you can't carry a gun publicly. Thanks to hissy fit panties over their heads lib-tards reacting to gang violence that plagues Aurora (oops, didn't the MSM tell you that?)

Neither did the State Media tell you about the act of bravery in Aurora of an armed man who capped a violent perp's as, killed him dead after he came gunning for the people in a church and only killed two before he was dropped like a stone.

But you can't publicly carry in Aurora, you just said so.

That's right, but off-duty police can, and you're not police so your options are to run and cower. Because Aurora doesn't trust you with the 2nd Amendment.

When the sign says no guns allowed, that means only the bad guys will have guns


6/10 the word "perp" ruined it for me
 
2012-07-24 02:00:13 PM  

Kerr Avon: griffer: This is what 1000 rounds of Nato 5.56 looks like. It weighs 28 pounds.

Why did they switch to wussy rounds? 7.62x51mm NATO better.


Difference between griffer and a journalist?

I took the 5 seconds to confirm what the M&P15 chambered.

HotWingConspiracy: [img.photobucket.com image 351x512]

2nd Amendment Hero

But seriously, those people that got killed should have been carrying scoped rifles that day.


The police credit armed civilians returning fire. These citizens provided suppression fire that reduced the casualties that day. But I am sure you don't remember that.


No, Al_Ed.
 
2012-07-24 02:00:37 PM  

Kerr Avon: Why did they switch to wussy rounds? 7.62x51mm NATO better.


7/10
 
2012-07-24 02:00:59 PM  

Mr. Breeze: Muta: When is the gun community going to do something to prevent people like Holmes from killing innocent people?

Yeah.

And I'd just like to point out that grenades are already highly illegal but this guy somehow had 30 of them.

I'm sure gun laws would have stopped him from procuring any...


TFA points out the fact that they were homemade grenades.
 
2012-07-24 02:01:11 PM  

Frank N Stein: [www.armoryblog.com image 300x401]

Alton Brown gearing up for what will undoubtably be a massacre.


Is that a civie SCAR or a Magpull....can't tell.
 
2012-07-24 02:01:16 PM  
PowerSlacker 2012-07-24 01:34:20 PM

tukatz: PowerSlacker: Forcing the "Sideshow Bob" meme is lame, even by Fark standards.


I would have picked a different name, but I totally agree with the idea.

This guy is the typical attention-seeker who couldn't get anyone to pay attention..... so he did something stupid and affected a lot of people. It has been said that he believes he's in a movie. Why give him any attention? He wants to be famous.... even in a bad way. I would rather humiliate him as much as possible. Even if he doesn't get on the internet, someone in jail will eventually tell him what's being said about him. Let him hear jokes about his looks and actions. Make him feel as pathetic as he is....

And the hair does look idiotic. Sideshow Bob is a good match.

If you want to stop feeding the attention whore, stop posting stories about him until his trial.



Jesus christ are you farking serious?
 
2012-07-24 02:02:40 PM  

Muta: hdhale: Muta: When is the gun community going to do something to prevent people like Holmes from killing innocent people?

Just give us the list of everyone who plans to do a mass killing in the U.S. in the next 10-15 years and we'll get right on that for you.

It will be a gun owner.


Timothy McVeigh didn't use a gun dillweed.
 
2012-07-24 02:02:59 PM  

Muta: hdhale: Muta: When is the gun community going to do something to prevent people like Holmes from killing innocent people?

Just give us the list of everyone who plans to do a mass killing in the U.S. in the next 10-15 years and we'll get right on that for you.

It will be a gun owner.


...Killing non-gun owners. Whack jobs as a rule go for soft targets. I never intend to be a soft target, whether I'm carrying or I have enough security around that I don't need to carry.
 
2012-07-24 02:03:29 PM  

griffer: The police credit armed civilians returning fire. These citizens provided suppression fire that reduced the casualties that day. But I am sure you don't remember that.


I'm sure that's comforting to the dead. Somehow I imagine they'd rather just not get shot by a legal gun owner.
 
2012-07-24 02:03:43 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: Mr. Breeze: Muta: When is the gun community going to do something to prevent people like Holmes from killing innocent people?

Yeah.

And I'd just like to point out that grenades are already highly illegal but this guy somehow had 30 of them.

I'm sure gun laws would have stopped him from procuring any...

TFA points out the fact that they were homemade grenades.


I know, but homemade or not they are still illegal.
 
2012-07-24 02:05:41 PM  

babygoat: doubled99: It's insane. It's just like anyone can just walk up and buy ALL the gasoline they want.

kvinesknows: If we just banned the sale of gasoline we would be much better off.

Frank N Stein: The fact is there needs to be reasonable regulations on purchasing gasoline. The founding fathers had no way of knowing that just anyone can walk to a gas station and purchase 10 gallons of gas to fill their high capacity assault can.

Okay, who issued this retarded talking point?


sideshow bob of course
 
2012-07-24 02:06:35 PM  

oldfarthenry: Face it, bullet-heads - Sideshow Bob SHOT all those innocent people - with a gun. He didn't blow them up with homemade grenades.
Stop throwing a sniveling sh*t-fit every time the news media posts a picture of one.


He was also breathing while he did it, like some gun owners do.

It's probably more related to the movie, anyone who goes to the movies is a terrorist.
 
2012-07-24 02:06:44 PM  

ourbigdumbmouth: Isn't it a little disrespectful to the legal process and to the victims to call this guy Sideshow Bob?


images.askmen.com

And why are you bringing ME into this??
 
2012-07-24 02:08:09 PM  
How come they haven't used his middle name yet?
/only for president killers?
 
2012-07-24 02:08:21 PM  

xanadian: ourbigdumbmouth: Isn't it a little disrespectful to the legal process and to the victims to call this guy Sideshow Bob?

No. Everyone is dehumanizing an individual who shouldn't be considered human.


Because The Joker is so much more human than Sideshow Bob?

Call him what you'd like. I'm sure he'll appreciate the joke if he ever hears it. Either way, he's got the recognition he wanted; you still lose.
 
2012-07-24 02:08:34 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: griffer: The police credit armed civilians returning fire. These citizens provided suppression fire that reduced the casualties that day. But I am sure you don't remember that.

I'm sure that's comforting to the dead. Somehow I imagine they'd rather just not get shot by a legal gun owner.


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

AAAAAAAAAhahahahahahahahahahahaahhaha!

You're sweet in your naivete.
 
2012-07-24 02:08:55 PM  
if this guy was any kind of real mastermind he would have frozen the gasoline into bullet shapes, packed his own rounds and fired gas bullets at everyone
 
2012-07-24 02:11:52 PM  

Mr. Breeze: CapeFearCadaver: Mr. Breeze: Muta: When is the gun community going to do something to prevent people like Holmes from killing innocent people?

Yeah.

And I'd just like to point out that grenades are already highly illegal but this guy somehow had 30 of them.

I'm sure gun laws would have stopped him from procuring any...

TFA points out the fact that they were homemade grenades.

I know, but homemade or not they are still illegal.


It's also illegal to take guns into a movie theatre and kill people...
:P
 
2012-07-24 02:14:39 PM  

Fano: Dude idolized Inglorious Basterds.


Are you thinking he might have gotten some of his farked up motive from IB and maybe mixed it with the whole Batman villian thing?
 
2012-07-24 02:15:20 PM  

Honest Bender: How did he make the gasoline at home?



Dinosaurs.
 
2012-07-24 02:15:45 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: Mr. Breeze: CapeFearCadaver: Mr. Breeze: Muta: When is the gun community going to do something to prevent people like Holmes from killing innocent people?

Yeah.

And I'd just like to point out that grenades are already highly illegal but this guy somehow had 30 of them.

I'm sure gun laws would have stopped him from procuring any...

TFA points out the fact that they were homemade grenades.

I know, but homemade or not they are still illegal.

It's also illegal to take guns into a movie theatre and kill people...
:P


FTFY
 
2012-07-24 02:16:24 PM  

oldfarthenry: Face it, bullet-heads - Sideshow Bob SHOT all those innocent people - with a gun. He didn't blow them up with homemade grenades.

No, but he tried. Did you not RTFA?
He tried to kill people with guns and homemade bombs. He was unsuccesful with the bombs. Bombs made with gasoline.

He tried to kill people with gasoline so all you gasoline-heads need to shut up while we ban that dangerous scourge known as gasoline.
Oh, wait. Homemade bombs made with anything are already illegal.
How is it possible that he made bombs if that is illegal?
I thought making things illegal prevented them from happening.

You can hate guns all you like. It won't make you any safer. (hating the gun owners is just bad form on your part)
Not riding in cars will be more likely to improve your safety than banning guns.
Anybody got the numbers on auto deaths vs gun deaths?
 
2012-07-24 02:18:16 PM  

PowerSlacker: Forcing the "Sideshow Bob" meme is lame, even by Fark standards.


I think Sideshow Bob fits James Holmes perfectly, and not just because of the hair. They're both highly educated, secretive, homicidal...
 
2012-07-24 02:18:17 PM  

IrateShadow: CAADbury: Did anyone mention that Holmes wasn't wearing body armor?

You can't sensationalize a lack of body armor. Honestly, the whole story is a circus right now and it's not helping anything. This article is probably the best thing I've seen about it so far.


Thanks for that, interesting read. I tried to read Cullen's book Columbine but just couldn't make it through. It was so damn upsetting and finally had to admit I couldn't take anymore. I have tremendous respect for him as a journalist and writer.
 
2012-07-24 02:18:36 PM  

IAMTHEINTARWEBS: oldfarthenry: Face it, bullet-heads - Sideshow Bob SHOT all those innocent people - with a gun. He didn't blow them up with homemade grenades.
No, but he tried. Did you not RTFA?
He tried to kill people with guns and homemade bombs. He was unsuccesful with the bombs. Bombs made with gasoline.

He tried to kill people with gasoline so all you gasoline-heads need to shut up while we ban that dangerous scourge known as gasoline.
Oh, wait. Homemade bombs made with anything are already illegal.
How is it possible that he made bombs if that is illegal?
I thought making things illegal prevented them from happening.

You can hate guns all you like. It won't make you any safer. (hating the gun owners is just bad form on your part)
Not riding in cars will be more likely to improve your safety than banning guns.
Anybody got the numbers on auto deaths vs gun deaths?


While we are at it, how about sword/blade deaths vs gun deaths and let's go historically.
 
2012-07-24 02:18:54 PM  

green4mice: How come they haven't used his middle name yet?
/only for president killers?


I think that only applies to, yes, Presidents, and when the killings take place over time, like John Wayne Gacy. You do it all at once, you dont' get to use your middle name.
 
2012-07-24 02:19:12 PM  
This is all Heath Ledger's fault!
 
2012-07-24 02:19:25 PM  
Only in America could someone kill 12 people and wound multiple others and yet the bleeding hearts are worried about his feelings and feeling sorry for the KILLER and not the victims. What. The. fark.
 
2012-07-24 02:19:33 PM  
first, this is how you do the joker:
img837.imageshack.us


And for the rest of you that responded to my post. Did you not notice I put "if he thought about harming himself then It's going to hurt his Joker defense??". Because every last one of you said "he didn't use the bombs because he would get hurt.

As for those that told me about the stereo, thanks
 
2012-07-24 02:20:02 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: griffer: The police credit armed civilians returning fire. These citizens provided suppression fire that reduced the casualties that day. But I am sure you don't remember that.

I'm sure that's comforting to the dead. Somehow I imagine they'd rather just not get shot by a legal gun owner.


1. Firearms will never be banned in this country. Even if they were, they would be smuggled in from elsewhere and the whack jobs would have more soft targets to hit, not less.
2. People are broken, not the weapons. We need to spend more on mental health in this country and a whole lot less on nitwittery firearms regulations that make one weapon legal, but another one of the same caliber and capacity illegal simply because the designer made it with plastic and not wood.
3. Stop playing the "piles of dead bodies, think of the children!" card. It stopped working a decade ago. You sound like an "anti-abortion no matter what" protestor.
 
2012-07-24 02:20:15 PM  
However, the cops got around his booby traps in 24 hours, so they weren't as brilliant as the moron thought they were.
 
2012-07-24 02:21:17 PM  

PowerSlacker: Forcing the "Sideshow Bob" meme is lame, even by Fark standards.


blessthe40oz.com

I'm against it, mainly because I think it's wrong to associate someone so heinous with something so beloved as The Simpsons. Also, if he's a fan, for all we know he might like the nickname.
 
2012-07-24 02:21:47 PM  
We might have actually been able to prevent this tragedy if we didn't pay so much attention to you 4th amendment zealots. What do you need all that privacy for anyway? Building bombs? Hiding your small penises from prying eyes?

/it's not a troll if it's directed at the sort of dickheads who will advocate for a loss of our constitutional rights (remember the Patriot Act - never support legislation timed to ride on emotion following a tragedy. If it "must pass now", it shouldn't even be considered)
 
2012-07-24 02:22:22 PM  

keepitcherry: Only in America could someone kill 12 people and wound multiple others and yet the bleeding hearts are worried about his feelings and feeling sorry for the KILLER and not the victims. What. The. fark.


Who the fark is worried about his feelings? Or are you just making that up to win Asshole Of The Day: FARK Division, dickweed?
 
2012-07-24 02:25:44 PM  

Frank N Stein: I'm going to purchase an Ar-15 and there's not a thing you can do about. Stay mad, gun grabbers.


You'll shoot your eye out!
 
2012-07-24 02:26:50 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Madbassist1: Jake Havechek: I find the bullshiat how an armed patron in the theatre could have taken this guy down before major casualties occurred is bullshiat.

There's no telling how people react in a situation like that. It could have been over by the time you gathered your wits enough to draw, or worse, in the darkness you would have killed other moviegoers instead of the doer.

Yup thats all true. So instead of attempting to stop him, just lay down and die like a good boy. Thx!!

Or run. The survivors had to run from the legal gun owner.


Ok, I'll bite. So, poof! Guns are illegal. What happens when this guy shoots up a movie theater then? Or do you actually think gun laws would keep him from buying guns? Yes, they would be slightly more difficult to purchase. And since he's obviously someone that would be deterred by an inconvenience, I guess he'd move on to his next idea right?
 
2012-07-24 02:27:21 PM  

IAMTHEINTARWEBS: oldfarthenry: Face it, bullet-heads - Sideshow Bob SHOT all those innocent people - with a gun. He didn't blow them up with homemade grenades.
No, but he tried. Did you not RTFA?
He tried to kill people with guns and homemade bombs. He was unsuccesful with the bombs. Bombs made with gasoline.

He tried to kill people with gasoline so all you gasoline-heads need to shut up while we ban that dangerous scourge known as gasoline.
Oh, wait. Homemade bombs made with anything are already illegal.
How is it possible that he made bombs if that is illegal?
I thought making things illegal prevented them from happening.

You can hate guns all you like. It won't make you any safer. (hating the gun owners is just bad form on your part)
Not riding in cars will be more likely to improve your safety than banning guns.
Anybody got the numbers on auto deaths vs gun deaths?


READ-MY-F**KING-POST - I didn't say anything about hating or banning guns. I just sick of assholes who freak-out at the `liberal' media for posting photos of guns when referring to a mass-shooting.
 
2012-07-24 02:27:35 PM  

probesport: CapeFearCadaver: Mr. Breeze: CapeFearCadaver: Mr. Breeze: Muta: When is the gun community going to do something to prevent people like Holmes from killing innocent people?

Yeah.

And I'd just like to point out that grenades are already highly illegal but this guy somehow had 30 of them.

I'm sure gun laws would have stopped him from procuring any...

TFA points out the fact that they were homemade grenades.

I know, but homemade or not they are still illegal.

It's also illegal to take guns into a movie theatre and kill people...
:P

FTFY


While correct, the particular Cinema where this took place had a no firearms policy in place. So, illegal on all counts.
 
2012-07-24 02:27:40 PM  

Jake Havechek: keepitcherry: Only in America could someone kill 12 people and wound multiple others and yet the bleeding hearts are worried about his feelings and feeling sorry for the KILLER and not the victims. What. The. fark.

Who the fark is worried about his feelings? Or are you just making that up to win Asshole Of The Day: FARK Division, dickweed?


Oh please, if he were going for that award he'd be in the politics or business tab.
 
2012-07-24 02:28:42 PM  

LL316: HotWingConspiracy: Madbassist1: Jake Havechek: I find the bullshiat how an armed patron in the theatre could have taken this guy down before major casualties occurred is bullshiat.

There's no telling how people react in a situation like that. It could have been over by the time you gathered your wits enough to draw, or worse, in the darkness you would have killed other moviegoers instead of the doer.

Yup thats all true. So instead of attempting to stop him, just lay down and die like a good boy. Thx!!

Or run. The survivors had to run from the legal gun owner.

Ok, I'll bite. So, poof! Guns are illegal. What happens when this guy shoots up a movie theater then? Or do you actually think gun laws would keep him from buying guns? Yes, they would be slightly more difficult to purchase. And since he's obviously someone that would be deterred by an inconvenience, I guess he'd move on to his next idea right?


I never advocated for a gun ban. Try again.
 
2012-07-24 02:29:42 PM  

ourbigdumbmouth: Isn't it a little disrespectful to the legal process and to the victims to call this guy Sideshow Bob?


No. I look at it like what Mel Brooks did in The Producers with Springtime for Hitler. Make the guy out to be an idiot. He wants to known as The Joker, a name that exudes infamy. So instead let's give him the last nickname he'd want. It's like in The Green Mile. The Sam Rockwall character wanted to be known as Billy the Kid. He got furious when the guards called him Wild Bill, so of course that became his new nickname.
 
2012-07-24 02:32:58 PM  

hdhale: HotWingConspiracy: griffer: The police credit armed civilians returning fire. These citizens provided suppression fire that reduced the casualties that day. But I am sure you don't remember that.

I'm sure that's comforting to the dead. Somehow I imagine they'd rather just not get shot by a legal gun owner.

1. Firearms will never be banned in this country. Even if they were, they would be smuggled in from elsewhere and the whack jobs would have more soft targets to hit, not less.


I've never advocated a ban.

2. People are broken, not the weapons. We need to spend more on mental health in this country

I like that suddenly this is just common knowledge amongst gun owners. I especially like that they mostly align with the party that hates healthcare and thinks that mental people are just grifters.

3. Stop playing the "piles of dead bodies, think of the children!" card. It stopped working a decade ago. You sound like an "anti-abortion no matter what" protestor.

It's a pendulum. Do you really think people and politicians are going to sit around and let this happen every few months in perpetuity? Harsh regs are coming, and we'll all be better off for it.
 
2012-07-24 02:38:43 PM  

Jake Havechek: keepitcherry: Only in America could someone kill 12 people and wound multiple others and yet the bleeding hearts are worried about his feelings and feeling sorry for the KILLER and not the victims. What. The. fark.

Who the fark is worried about his feelings? Or are you just making that up to win Asshole Of The Day: FARK Division, dickweed?


If the dude is really farked up in the head and has serious mental illness, then yes, I do feel sorry for him. And I am also 100% ok with removing him from society forever.
 
2012-07-24 02:39:17 PM  
"Naturally CNN gives you big scary gun photos that might kill you if you stare too long"

Yeah, how DARE they post a picture of the gun he used to kill 12 people, that is, like, so unfair to guns that have not been used to kill people!

/huh?
 
2012-07-24 02:40:19 PM  
Giving the guy a name - any name - only makes him more immortal. Remember that guy who shot up that theater? Oh! Sideshow Bob! Remember the people who died in that theater shooting? ....No, I can't quite remember. Which shooting again? No, doesn't ring any bells.

Stop making it about the shooter. Besides, professionalism dictates using the name given to the court. Not that fark should be professional and all, but that fark should be above childish slap fighting.

/welcometofark.jpeg
 
2012-07-24 02:40:32 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: He murdered people with guns.


Actually I think he murdered people without guns. He shot them using a gun though.
 
2012-07-24 02:41:24 PM  
I like that this troll still uses 'gun owners' as a homogeneous bloc composed of a single stereotype.

Harsh regs, bro.

Harsh.

Shine your boots, they need to look sharp like your Sam Brown belt.
 
2012-07-24 02:43:51 PM  
WienerButt: This shiat is pretty sad. I'm not much older than him and its awful that he killed all the people in such a heartless manner, but man..he's a goddamn kid.

I find sincerity coming from someone who goes by WienerButt to be pretty goddamned amusing.
 
2012-07-24 02:44:10 PM  

griffer: I like that this troll still uses 'gun owners' as a homogeneous bloc composed of a single stereotype.

Harsh regs, bro.

Harsh.

Shine your boots, they need to look sharp like your Sam Brown belt.


You seem to be completely incapable of addressing anything I've said. Go suck your gun, freak.
 
2012-07-24 02:44:21 PM  
Every time I see this guy and his dopey hair and that spaced-out look on his face, I imagine his thought process when dying his hair only involved how cool and "movie-like" it would look to have orange hair with guns blazing away (he probably even imagined a slight breeze blowing through his curly locks, forgetting that the gas mask would cover up most of his hair). He never thought about how it would look in a courtroom with 4 days of stubble on his chin and dark circles under his bulging eyes. Or, if he did think about the courtoom, he neglected to consider that every weird-o bad guy in a blockbuster comic-book movie has about three hours of hair and makeup before they start fiming every day; Heath Ledger's Joker had that crazed, smeared look, which was actually carefully applied make-up augmented by professional lighting and costumes. This guy really thought that this event was going to be just like a scene from a movie and he would have that insane yet heroic look that great actors and movie technicians can convey. Pathetic.
 
2012-07-24 02:50:05 PM  

Bontesla: I think we're still unclear on his intention and whether or not he accomplished his goal.


So if I'm reading you right, he had nuclear bombs? Are they still working on evacuating that entire area?

I heard he was with the Occupy movement, and that George Soros personally recommended to him the AR15 clip that ended up jamming.
 
2012-07-24 02:50:31 PM  

Giltric:

How many cases of real estate fraud happen through the real estate agent not disclosing what they legally have to disclose to the buyer...how many car accidents...both are highly regulated right?

Didn;t we just see an era where real estate agents and licnesed regulated brokers claimed the purchaser could afford the balloon payment of 40k when it comes due?


Difference between a bad real estate deal and this - you can walk away from a bad real estate deal. You'll be a little worse for wear, but you can survive it.

Try telling that to the woman who lost her 6-year old daughter and will never walk again.

As for sitting in a classroom for gun safety - people who now give flying lessons are given a set of rules and behaviors to look for from people. Why not the same for gun instructors?
 
2012-07-24 02:53:06 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: I've never advocated a ban.


Then what are you adovacting other that shrieking at the horror?

HotWingConspiracy: I like that suddenly this is just common knowledge amongst gun owners. I especially like that they mostly align with the party that hates healthcare and thinks that mental people are just grifters.


I like that this troll still uses 'gun owners' as a homogeneous bloc composed of a single stereotype.

I am a socially liberal gun owner. I am an atheist, and a rationalist. I support mental health and I have personally benefited from mental health treatment.

So keep going with your BIG OL BRUSH.

HotWingConspiracy: Harsh regs are coming, and we'll all be better off for it.


Describe these regs, of prescient one.

What will they be? Ban crappy beta mags, when there already a million+ out there? Ban bulk ammo purchases? Watch the NRA (which I do not support) crush that.

More laws to make it illegal to carry guns in public places? Cause the one was in force totally stopped him.

Tighter screening and interviewing? Fine. But it wouldn't have flagged a per-med student with no record.

Competency exams? I support these, but it just would have made him a better shooter.

And finally, I have no intention of committing suicide, but you really show the humanitarian in you.

I think this is more about you wanting the government to step in a control the world so you aren't so scared and horrified by it.

Suck to see that the human condition is in fact, horrid. People are ignorant, hateful, scrabbling things, on the whole, who have to struggle not to be.

You can't stand what you see, because you are afraid it is the same as what stares back at you in the mirror in the morning.


Now, let's see what makes it through your ears of cloth.
 
2012-07-24 02:53:33 PM  

griffer: No, Al_Ed.


I see so little of you anymore I need to work in every shot I can!
 
2012-07-24 02:55:16 PM  

MattyFridays: As for sitting in a classroom for gun safety - people who now give flying lessons are given a set of rules and behaviors to look for from people. Why not the same for gun instructors?


I have no problem with this.

I had to qualify to drive my car.

There are more accidental shootings than Aurora, by far, this will help. But I think it would only have the Aurora criminal a better shooter.
 
2012-07-24 02:55:45 PM  

griffer: I like that this troll still uses 'gun owners' as a homogeneous bloc composed of a single stereotype.

I am a socially liberal gun owner. I am an atheist, and a rationalist. I support mental health and I have personally benefited from mental health treatment.

So keep going with your BIG OL BRUSH.

HotWingConspiracy: Harsh regs are coming, and we'll all be better off for it.

Describe these regs, of prescient one.

What will they be? Ban crappy beta mags, when there already a million+ out there? Ban bulk ammo purchases? Watch the NRA (which I do not support) crush that.

More laws to make it illegal to carry guns in public places? Cause the one was in force totally stopped him.

Tighter screening and interviewing? Fine. But it wouldn't have flagged a per-med student with no record.

Competency exams? I support these, but it just would have made him a better shooter.

And finally, I have no intention of committing suicide, but you really show the humanitarian in you.

I think this is more about you wanting the government to step in a control the world so you aren't so scared and horrified by it.

Suck to see that the human condition is in fact, horrid. People are ignorant, hateful, scrabbling things, on the whole, who have to struggle not to be.

You can't stand what you see, because you are afraid it is the same as what stares back at you in the mirror in the morning.


Now, let's see what makes it through your ears of cloth.



God help me, I can't believe I'm going to say this...

Well put, griffer...well put, indeed.

*takes rape shower*
 
2012-07-24 02:56:02 PM  

MattyFridays: Giltric:

How many cases of real estate fraud happen through the real estate agent not disclosing what they legally have to disclose to the buyer...how many car accidents...both are highly regulated right?

Didn;t we just see an era where real estate agents and licnesed regulated brokers claimed the purchaser could afford the balloon payment of 40k when it comes due?

Difference between a bad real estate deal and this - you can walk away from a bad real estate deal. You'll be a little worse for wear, but you can survive it.

Try telling that to the woman who lost her 6-year old daughter and will never walk again.

As for sitting in a classroom for gun safety - people who now give flying lessons are given a set of rules and behaviors to look for from people. Why not the same for gun instructors?


While we're at it how about a license to breed?

Who takes their 6 year old or a 3 year old to a R rated violent movie at midnight.

Theres no telling what all this violence on TV and in movies and misogynistic lyrics in songs could do to a child.

She could have been the next theater killer.
 
2012-07-24 02:56:41 PM  

MattyFridays: As for sitting in a classroom for gun safety - people who now give flying lessons are given a set of rules and behaviors to look for from people. Why not the same for gun instructors?


Because flying isn't an enumerated constitutional right. Owning weapons (including firearms) is a protected individual right, so you've got to have a damn good reason to prevent someone from exercising it.
 
2012-07-24 02:57:27 PM  

griffer: HotWingConspiracy: I've never advocated a ban.

Then what are you adovacting other that shrieking at the horror?


You're not very bright.

HotWingConspiracy: I like that suddenly this is just common knowledge amongst gun owners. I especially like that they mostly align with the party that hates healthcare and thinks that mental people are just grifters.

I like that this troll still uses 'gun owners' as a homogeneous bloc composed of a single stereotype.

I am a socially liberal gun owner. I am an atheist, and a rationalist. I support mental health and I have personally benefited from mental health treatment.

So keep going with your BIG OL BRUSH.


You're not very bright.

HotWingConspiracy: Harsh regs are coming, and we'll all be better off for it.

Describe these regs, of prescient one.

What will they be? Ban crappy beta mags, when there already a million+ out there? Ban bulk ammo purchases? Watch the NRA (which I do not support) crush that.

More laws to make it illegal to carry guns in public places? Cause the one was in force totally stopped him.

Tighter screening and interviewing? Fine. But it wouldn't have flagged a per-med student with no record.

Competency exams? I support these, but it just would have made him a better shooter.

And finally, I have no intention of committing suicide, but you really show the humanitarian in you.

I think this is more about you wanting the government to step in a control the world so you aren't so scared and horrified by it.

Suck to see that the human condition is in fact, horrid. People are ignorant, hateful, scrabbling things, on the whole, who have to struggle not to be.

You can't stand what you see, because you are afraid it is the same as what stares back at you in the mirror in the morning.


Now, let's see what makes it through your ears of cloth.


I come to Fark for armchair psychology from windbags, so thanks.
 
2012-07-24 03:02:54 PM  
You're not very bright?

Stop, I got a stitch in my side.

Run along, little troll.
 
2012-07-24 03:06:20 PM  

griffer: You're not very bright?

Stop, I got a stitch in my side.


It's probably a manifestation of the pain caused by your abandonment issues. Since we're playing Dr. and all.
 
2012-07-24 03:06:42 PM  
I think the biggest danger to a free society are the ones that get a knee jerk reaction to sensationalist news media pieces and think "something needs to be done!"
 
2012-07-24 03:07:52 PM  

MattyFridays: Giltric:

How many cases of real estate fraud happen through the real estate agent not disclosing what they legally have to disclose to the buyer...how many car accidents...both are highly regulated right?

Didn;t we just see an era where real estate agents and licnesed regulated brokers claimed the purchaser could afford the balloon payment of 40k when it comes due?

Difference between a bad real estate deal and this - you can walk away from a bad real estate deal. You'll be a little worse for wear, but you can survive it.

Try telling that to the woman who lost her 6-year old daughter and will never walk again.

As for sitting in a classroom for gun safety - people who now give flying lessons are given a set of rules and behaviors to look for from people. Why not the same for gun instructors?


The local shooting range owner actually did pay attention to his behavior and refused admittance.
 
2012-07-24 03:08:45 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: griffer: You're not very bright?

Stop, I got a stitch in my side.

It's probably a manifestation of the pain caused by your abandonment issues. Since we're playing Dr. and all.


Well, you certainly aren't playing level headed debate the issue guy, either. Labeling me a freak and wishing me dead?

Maybe you should look into some mental health care.
 
2012-07-24 03:08:53 PM  
His middle name is Egan.

Kinda like the Ghostbuster, but different.
 
2012-07-24 03:10:07 PM  

LL316: The local shooting range owner actually did pay attention to his behavior and refused admittance.


And bravo to him.
 
2012-07-24 03:10:54 PM  

griffer: HotWingConspiracy: griffer: You're not very bright?

Stop, I got a stitch in my side.

It's probably a manifestation of the pain caused by your abandonment issues. Since we're playing Dr. and all.

Well, you certainly aren't playing level headed debate the issue guy, either. Labeling me a freak and wishing me dead?

Maybe you should look into some mental health care.


Do you own guns because the smell of whiskey and the sight of beard stubble make you quiver in fear? You've had a rough life.
 
2012-07-24 03:11:48 PM  
Also, if I was a congressmen I would introduce legislation to ban hi cap clips just for the lulz

/ban hi cap clips, not magazines
 
2012-07-24 03:13:03 PM  
Interesting to me that many of the same people who want to legalize drugs also want to make guns illegal. Instead of outlawing drugs, they want to treat the root cause of the problem, which is addiction. But with guns they take the opposite stance. Never mind addressing the root cause of violence in America. JUST GRAB THE GUNS!
 
2012-07-24 03:13:25 PM  

griffer: Maybe you should look into some mental health care.


I guess it all started with my mom. See, she had always wanted a girl and wouldn't let me wear Toughskins like the other kids. As you can imagine, trying to play football in a tea length dress was difficult. I mean, sure, it was pretty...a nice yellow chiffon, but the other boys always tried to peek beneath. And so I looked to my Uncle Bill for companionship, only Uncle Bill only wanted to show me his Matchbox car collection and give me Kool-Aid that had a funny taste to it and made me dizzy. So that's when I started to collect animals...hey, how much time do I have left?
 
2012-07-24 03:13:49 PM  

oldfarthenry: READ-MY-F**KING-POST - I didn't say anything about hating or banning guns.


Maybe not but you lead in with name calling and caps lock. Calling people bullet - heads makes you look like a gun hater.
And now you are swearing instead of making valid arguments.
All that leaves a bad taste in others mouths.

If you don't want people getting all jumpy and shouting when the media uses gun pictures then stop getting all jumpy and shouting when people get all jumpy and shouting. MMKAY?
 
2012-07-24 03:14:12 PM  

Fliegan: Every time I see this guy and his dopey hair and that spaced-out look on his face, I imagine his thought process when dying his hair only involved how cool and "movie-like" it would look to have orange hair with guns blazing away (he probably even imagined a slight breeze blowing through his curly locks, forgetting that the gas mask would cover up most of his hair). He never thought about how it would look in a courtroom with 4 days of stubble on his chin and dark circles under his bulging eyes. Or, if he did think about the courtoom, he neglected to consider that every weird-o bad guy in a blockbuster comic-book movie has about three hours of hair and makeup before they start fiming every day; Heath Ledger's Joker had that crazed, smeared look, which was actually carefully applied make-up augmented by professional lighting and costumes. This guy really thought that this event was going to be just like a scene from a movie and he would have that insane yet heroic look that great actors and movie technicians can convey. Pathetic.


I get the idea he planned on killing himself afterwards, then pussied out. He clearly didn't intend on going back to his apartment. Didn't have supplies or ID to run away. He planned on dying... then changed his mind.
 
2012-07-24 03:16:54 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: [img.photobucket.com image 351x512]

2nd Amendment Hero

But seriously, those people that got killed should have been carrying scoped rifles that day.


Funny you should post that, since quite a few well armed Texans started returning fire with their personal firearms and forced Whitman to take cover.
 
2012-07-24 03:18:36 PM  

Maud Dib: HotWingConspiracy: [img.photobucket.com image 351x512]

2nd Amendment Hero

But seriously, those people that got killed should have been carrying scoped rifles that day.

Funny you should post that, since quite a few well armed Texans started returning fire with their personal firearms and forced Whitman to take cover.


Not the people that got killed though. Pussies.
 
2012-07-24 03:19:19 PM  

stonicus: I get the idea he planned on killing himself afterwards, then pussied out. He clearly didn't intend on going back to his apartment. Didn't have supplies or ID to run away. He planned on dying... then changed his mind.


I think he planned on a sensationalized trial and being the topic of conversation for weeks. It seems like he wants the attention. He wants people to know him. I don't think he ever wanted to die. And he won't, really.
 
2012-07-24 03:19:44 PM  
Ad Hominem attacks.

On with my day.

Al_Ed, i'd stick around to help you work though it, but the stench in here is unbearable.
 
2012-07-24 03:21:24 PM  

griffer: Ad Hominem attacks.

On with my day.

Al_Ed, i'd stick around to help you work though it, but the stench in here is unbearable.


I'm just asking questions.
 
2012-07-24 03:21:26 PM  

Precision Boobery: James Holmes' Goofy Behavior Sign of Psychosis or Faking It, Expert Says

Nope, not The Onion.

That's some fine psychology work there, Lou.


Wasn't he studying neuroscience? I think if anyone knew how to "fake" psychosis, it'd be a neuroscience student.
 
2012-07-24 03:21:32 PM  
FTA: The grenades were wired to a control box in the kitchen, which bomb technicians disabled with the help of a remote-controlled robot that squirted water on it.

Haha "Hey Lou, we got a bomb over here." "Just squirt some water on it that'll do the trick."
 
2012-07-24 03:23:00 PM  

stonicus: Fliegan: Every time I see this guy and his dopey hair and that spaced-out look on his face, I imagine his thought process when dying his hair only involved how cool and "movie-like" it would look to have orange hair with guns blazing away (he probably even imagined a slight breeze blowing through his curly locks, forgetting that the gas mask would cover up most of his hair). He never thought about how it would look in a courtroom with 4 days of stubble on his chin and dark circles under his bulging eyes. Or, if he did think about the courtoom, he neglected to consider that every weird-o bad guy in a blockbuster comic-book movie has about three hours of hair and makeup before they start fiming every day; Heath Ledger's Joker had that crazed, smeared look, which was actually carefully applied make-up augmented by professional lighting and costumes. This guy really thought that this event was going to be just like a scene from a movie and he would have that insane yet heroic look that great actors and movie technicians can convey. Pathetic.

I get the idea he planned on killing himself afterwards, then pussied out. He clearly didn't intend on going back to his apartment. Didn't have supplies or ID to run away. He planned on dying... then changed his mind.


Maybe he expected Joker immunity
 
2012-07-24 03:23:02 PM  

xanadian: Precision Boobery: James Holmes' Goofy Behavior Sign of Psychosis or Faking It, Expert Says

Nope, not The Onion.

That's some fine psychology work there, Lou.

Wasn't he studying neuroscience? I think if anyone knew how to "fake" psychosis, it'd be a neuroscience student.


What would be his motive though? Sane people don't get it into their heads to go into a theater full of people and start shooting. Your logic is flawed.
 
2012-07-24 03:23:15 PM  

Jake Havechek: Madbassist1: Jake Havechek: I find the bullshiat how an armed patron in the theatre could have taken this guy down before major casualties occurred is bullshiat.

There's no telling how people react in a situation like that. It could have been over by the time you gathered your wits enough to draw, or worse, in the darkness you would have killed other moviegoers instead of the doer.

Yup thats all true. So instead of attempting to stop him, just lay down and die like a good boy. Thx!!

Most shooting sprees last under 5 minutes, so figure it out, Superman. Like most people you would have pissed your pants and ran.


you dont know how long 5 minutes is, obviously. More than enough time to put a bullet in the brain. Since I do not (nor ever intend to) own a handgun, you are 100% right on your second point though.
 
2012-07-24 03:23:47 PM  

gadian: stonicus: I get the idea he planned on killing himself afterwards, then pussied out. He clearly didn't intend on going back to his apartment. Didn't have supplies or ID to run away. He planned on dying... then changed his mind.

I think he planned on a sensationalized trial and being the topic of conversation for weeks. It seems like he wants the attention. He wants people to know him. I don't think he ever wanted to die. And he won't, really.


That is just as plausible... I do think something happened in his mentality when he went back to his car and his mental direction changed, which is why he disclosed the bombs in his apartment. Brief moment of clairty perhaps?
 
2012-07-24 03:23:50 PM  
I hate to go full internet tough guy, but I would gladly empty my wallet for 3 minutes alone with that guy
 
2012-07-24 03:23:50 PM  

griffer: Ad Hominem attacks.

On with my day.

Al_Ed, i'd stick around to help you work though it, but the stench in here is unbearable.


DON'T LEAVE MEEEEEE!
 
2012-07-24 03:24:07 PM  

Fliegan: Every time I see this guy and his dopey hair and that spaced-out look on his face, I imagine his thought process when dying his hair only involved how cool and "movie-like" it would look to have orange hair with guns blazing away (he probably even imagined a slight breeze blowing through his curly locks, forgetting that the gas mask would cover up most of his hair).


I'll be in my bunk
 
2012-07-24 03:24:28 PM  

Al_Ed: griffer: Ad Hominem attacks.

On with my day.

Al_Ed, i'd stick around to help you work though it, but the stench in here is unbearable.

DON'T LEAVE MEEEEEE!


Hey, do you need sanctuary from this filth?

Your handle looks naked.
 
2012-07-24 03:25:04 PM  

stonicus: Fliegan: Every time I see this guy and his dopey hair and that spaced-out look on his face, I imagine his thought process when dying his hair only involved how cool and "movie-like" it would look to have orange hair with guns blazing away (he probably even imagined a slight breeze blowing through his curly locks, forgetting that the gas mask would cover up most of his hair). He never thought about how it would look in a courtroom with 4 days of stubble on his chin and dark circles under his bulging eyes. Or, if he did think about the courtoom, he neglected to consider that every weird-o bad guy in a blockbuster comic-book movie has about three hours of hair and makeup before they start fiming every day; Heath Ledger's Joker had that crazed, smeared look, which was actually carefully applied make-up augmented by professional lighting and costumes. This guy really thought that this event was going to be just like a scene from a movie and he would have that insane yet heroic look that great actors and movie technicians can convey. Pathetic.

I get the idea he planned on killing himself afterwards, then pussied out. He clearly didn't intend on going back to his apartment. Didn't have supplies or ID to run away. He planned on dying... then changed his mind.


I disagree. If indeed he identifies with Joker, he wants to taunt the law. Remember Joker lays down and lets the cops take him so he can confront Batman in jail. This jerkoff surrenders to police without a fight when it would have been really easy to "go out in a blaze of glory" in a cop firefight. THEN he tells the cops, here's my name, here's my address. Go check it out and get a surprize. Big time taunt and he wants to be alive to see them twist and squirm and maybe get blowed up. This guy's big-time psychotic, but unlike your comic book villains he lacks the rational side to keep it together, likewise he lacks the resources and gang of lackeys it takes to crash the bus into the police station and bust him out.
 
2012-07-24 03:26:03 PM  

Fliegan: Every time I see this guy and his dopey hair and that spaced-out look on his face, I imagine his thought process when dying his hair only involved how cool and "movie-like" it would look to have orange hair with guns blazing away (he probably even imagined a slight breeze blowing through his curly locks, forgetting that the gas mask would cover up most of his hair).


And helmet.
 
2012-07-24 03:26:56 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: It's a pendulum. Do you really think people and politicians are going to sit around and let this happen every few months in perpetuity? Harsh regs are coming, and we'll all be better off for it.


How will be "better off" in the presence of unreasonable regulations that will not actually address the fundamental causes of mass murder?
 
2012-07-24 03:30:03 PM  
Dimensio, he is just a troll. No better than the shooter in his desperation for attention and a safe 'fight'.


/why not? he made me the gun freak that was abused as a child by a drunken male after being abandoned. whatever, he's a douche
 
2012-07-24 03:30:59 PM  

griffer: Hey, do you need sanctuary from this filth?

Your handle looks naked.


I was cast aside like so much refuse...I feel like the new guy in the ward. I..I don't know anyone and have been avoiding eye contact all the while listening to the crazy ramblings...

*sniff*

I'm scared.
 
2012-07-24 03:31:13 PM  

stonicus: That is just as plausible... I do think something happened in his mentality when he went back to his car and his mental direction changed, which is why he disclosed the bombs in his apartment. Brief moment of clairty perhaps?


One can only hope. Though I fear it might have been an attempt at getting the cops to his apartment just so they would trigger the bombs.
 
2012-07-24 03:31:32 PM  

Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: It's a pendulum. Do you really think people and politicians are going to sit around and let this happen every few months in perpetuity? Harsh regs are coming, and we'll all be better off for it.

How will be "better off" in the presence of unreasonable regulations that will not actually address the fundamental causes of mass murder?


Well ideally they would craft something that wouldn't be unreasonable to the majority.

And are you one of those people that suddenly has a strong opinion on mental health services in the wake of this? Because it's sounding like it.
 
2012-07-24 03:32:26 PM  

griffer: Dimensio, he is just a troll. No better than the shooter in his desperation for attention and a safe 'fight'.


/why not? he made me the gun freak that was abused as a child by a drunken male after being abandoned. whatever, he's a douche


I thought we were playing psychologist. One thing about you gun nutters, you don't like return fire.
 
2012-07-24 03:32:37 PM  
Lots of Stupid in this thread!
 
2012-07-24 03:33:57 PM  
Aaaaaand he takes the safety.

The harsh regs will be perfect and palatable to the majority.


Riiiiight, I will call these the Unicorn Regs of Harshness.
 
2012-07-24 03:34:02 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: It's a pendulum. Do you really think people and politicians are going to sit around and let this happen every few months in perpetuity? Harsh regs are coming, and we'll all be better off for it.

How will be "better off" in the presence of unreasonable regulations that will not actually address the fundamental causes of mass murder?

Well ideally they would craft something that wouldn't be unreasonable to the majority.


I have yet to observe any legislator who wished to author new legislation restricting firearms ownership who did not suggest fundamentally unreasonable legislation. Typically, such legislators lack a fundamental understanding of firearms technology, resulting in legislation based wholly upon ignorance, such as an attempt to prohibit "barrel shrouds" despite the legislation author admitting ignorance as to the definition of the term.


And are you one of those people that suddenly has a strong opinion on mental health services in the wake of this? Because it's sounding like it.

Have I previously issued statements expressing apathy toward the poor condition of mental health services in the United States of America?
 
2012-07-24 03:35:07 PM  

Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: It's a pendulum. Do you really think people and politicians are going to sit around and let this happen every few months in perpetuity? Harsh regs are coming, and we'll all be better off for it.

How will be "better off" in the presence of unreasonable regulations that will not actually address the fundamental causes of mass murder?

Well ideally they would craft something that wouldn't be unreasonable to the majority.

I have yet to observe any legislator who wished to author new legislation restricting firearms ownership who did not suggest fundamentally unreasonable legislation. Typically, such legislators lack a fundamental understanding of firearms technology, resulting in legislation based wholly upon ignorance, such as an attempt to prohibit "barrel shrouds" despite the legislation author admitting ignorance as to the definition of the term.


I said ideally.


And are you one of those people that suddenly has a strong opinion on mental health services in the wake of this? Because it's sounding like it.

Have I previously issued statements expressing apathy toward the poor condition of mental health services in the United States of America?


I have no idea, that's why I asked.
 
2012-07-24 03:35:09 PM  

kvinesknows: if this guy was any kind of real mastermind he would have frozen the gasoline into bullet shapes, packed his own rounds and fired gas bullets at everyone


Gas bullets?
I fire those off after Taco Night.
 
2012-07-24 03:35:14 PM  
Of all these threads about NRA and gun control, I still haven't seen a very valid argument about why a ban on assault weapons would be so bad. Not all guns, just stuff like the AR-15 this guy was using.

It's the only type of gun procurable in the US that doesn't have a valid reason for a civilian to own one. 'Because I can' and 'it's fun to shoot' don't count, either. It's not like you can argue that lack of guns cause more deaths. Most civilized countries other than the US with strict gun laws have extremely low firearm deaths per capita. The issue clearly isn't more guns, since around 80% of Americans already own one. Hasn't exactly helped the ratio any.

So... someone explain to me again the downside to an AWB, other than one of your toys becomes illegal to own.
 
2012-07-24 03:35:32 PM  
You don't return fire, you asshat.

You just slobber.

You didn't rebutt anything I posted.


Well, maybe a 1st grader thinks 'You're Stupid' style replies are a rebuttal.
 
2012-07-24 03:36:44 PM  

stonicus: I do think something happened in his mentality when he went back to his car and his mental direction changed, which is why he disclosed the bombs in his apartment. Brief moment of clairty perhaps?


That did strike me as weird. He thinks this whole bomb and shooting plot up, goes in and shoots a bunch of people, and then when he walks out and the cops see him, he just gives up. It's a bit odd.

That being said, the cops haven't released exactly what he told them, have they? I still think one of the reasons for the bombs in his apartment were to have someone trip them, blowing the place up and distracting first responders while he's shooting up the theater. It makes me wonder if he told the cops he was also responsible for the bombing, thinking it had already gone off.
 
2012-07-24 03:37:09 PM  

quiotu: Of all these threads about NRA and gun control, I still haven't seen a very valid argument about why a ban on assault weapons would be so bad. Not all guns, just stuff like the AR-15 this guy was using.

It's the only type of gun procurable in the US that doesn't have a valid reason for a civilian to own one. 'Because I can' and 'it's fun to shoot' don't count, either. It's not like you can argue that lack of guns cause more deaths. Most civilized countries other than the US with strict gun laws have extremely low firearm deaths per capita. The issue clearly isn't more guns, since around 80% of Americans already own one. Hasn't exactly helped the ratio any.

So... someone explain to me again the downside to an AWB, other than one of your toys becomes illegal to own.


The AWB was retarded because it banned cosmetic features, not guns with the functionality you are talking about.
 
2012-07-24 03:37:24 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: It's a pendulum. Do you really think people and politicians are going to sit around and let this happen every few months in perpetuity? Harsh regs are coming, and we'll all be better off for it.

How will be "better off" in the presence of unreasonable regulations that will not actually address the fundamental causes of mass murder?

Well ideally they would craft something that wouldn't be unreasonable to the majority.

I have yet to observe any legislator who wished to author new legislation restricting firearms ownership who did not suggest fundamentally unreasonable legislation. Typically, such legislators lack a fundamental understanding of firearms technology, resulting in legislation based wholly upon ignorance, such as an attempt to prohibit "barrel shrouds" despite the legislation author admitting ignorance as to the definition of the term.

I said ideally.


Then you did not address my initial question: how will we be "better off" through implementation of unreasonable regulation that fails to address the fundamental causes of mas murder?

And are you one of those people that suddenly has a strong opinion on mental health services in the wake of this? Because it's sounding like it.

Have I previously issued statements expressing apathy toward the poor condition of mental health services in the United States of America?

I have no idea, that's why I asked.


I have never denied that mental health services in the United States are lacking.
 
2012-07-24 03:39:07 PM  

griffer: You don't return fire, you asshat.


I threw your shiat back in your face and you can't stop crying about it.

You didn't rebutt anything I posted.

You were trying to rebut me, remember? Then you decided that you were Freud or something, I don't know.
 
2012-07-24 03:40:16 PM  

Dimensio: Then you did not address my initial question: how will we be "better off" through implementation of unreasonable regulation that fails to address the fundamental causes of mas murder?


I did answer that. You just won't accept that there is a such thing as reasonable in this case.
 
2012-07-24 03:40:51 PM  

killershark: stonicus: I do think something happened in his mentality when he went back to his car and his mental direction changed, which is why he disclosed the bombs in his apartment. Brief moment of clairty perhaps?

That did strike me as weird. He thinks this whole bomb and shooting plot up, goes in and shoots a bunch of people, and then when he walks out and the cops see him, he just gives up. It's a bit odd.

That being said, the cops haven't released exactly what he told them, have they? I still think one of the reasons for the bombs in his apartment were to have someone trip them, blowing the place up and distracting first responders while he's shooting up the theater. It makes me wonder if he told the cops he was also responsible for the bombing, thinking it had already gone off.


farking kids these days are too lazy to stick to anything. I'm surprised he didn't put his hands up for a "timeout"
 
2012-07-24 03:42:24 PM  

redmid17: quiotu: Of all these threads about NRA and gun control, I still haven't seen a very valid argument about why a ban on assault weapons would be so bad. Not all guns, just stuff like the AR-15 this guy was using.

It's the only type of gun procurable in the US that doesn't have a valid reason for a civilian to own one. 'Because I can' and 'it's fun to shoot' don't count, either. It's not like you can argue that lack of guns cause more deaths. Most civilized countries other than the US with strict gun laws have extremely low firearm deaths per capita. The issue clearly isn't more guns, since around 80% of Americans already own one. Hasn't exactly helped the ratio any.

So... someone explain to me again the downside to an AWB, other than one of your toys becomes illegal to own.

The AWB was retarded because it banned cosmetic features, not guns with the functionality you are talking about.


Fair enough then, so I'm talking about an actual ban on assault weapons... as in anything semi-automatic, instead of the AWB of the past.

Yes, I'm aware semi-auto includes machine pistols. If you're defending yourself and need semi-auto, your aim sucks and you shouldn't have a gun.
 
2012-07-24 03:42:37 PM  
re"but"....huh huh...huh huh huh...
 
2012-07-24 03:42:56 PM  

Raharu: Ah, the guy with theory that the President is secretly working the black panthers is ordering thousands of rounds. Do you get free shipping on your tinfoil hats? Is it more expensive to buy the hats pre-made, or do you make them yourself to keep your money out of the hands of big tinfoil?


How is that relevant to this thread? Don't be a douchebag... stay on topic or I'll cock slap you over the 'net

 
2012-07-24 03:43:17 PM  

killershark: stonicus: I do think something happened in his mentality when he went back to his car and his mental direction changed, which is why he disclosed the bombs in his apartment. Brief moment of clairty perhaps?

That did strike me as weird. He thinks this whole bomb and shooting plot up, goes in and shoots a bunch of people, and then when he walks out and the cops see him, he just gives up. It's a bit odd.

That being said, the cops haven't released exactly what he told them, have they? I still think one of the reasons for the bombs in his apartment were to have someone trip them, blowing the place up and distracting first responders while he's shooting up the theater. It makes me wonder if he told the cops he was also responsible for the bombing, thinking it had already gone off.


That's a curious point, how did he word the "bombs in my apartment" statement. As a warning or confession, as you say, thinking it had already happened? I could easily see if he thought it had gone off, him being all "yeah, that was my bomb too". Or, him having a brief 2 second moment of clairty going "oh shiat, wtf?!? bombs are in my apartment!" before the crazy slips back in.
 
2012-07-24 03:43:50 PM  

quiotu: Of all these threads about NRA and gun control, I still haven't seen a very valid argument about why a ban on assault weapons would be so bad. Not all guns, just stuff like the AR-15 this guy was using.

It's the only type of gun procurable in the US that doesn't have a valid reason for a civilian to own one. 'Because I can' and 'it's fun to shoot' don't count, either. It's not like you can argue that lack of guns cause more deaths. Most civilized countries other than the US with strict gun laws have extremely low firearm deaths per capita. The issue clearly isn't more guns, since around 80% of Americans already own one. Hasn't exactly helped the ratio any.

So... someone explain to me again the downside to an AWB, other than one of your toys becomes illegal to own.


If circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens.
 
2012-07-24 03:44:01 PM  

Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: It's a pendulum. Do you really think people and politicians are going to sit around and let this happen every few months in perpetuity? Harsh regs are coming, and we'll all be better off for it.

How will be "better off" in the presence of unreasonable regulations that will not actually address the fundamental causes of mass murder?

Well ideally they would craft something that wouldn't be unreasonable to the majority.

I have yet to observe any legislator who wished to author new legislation restricting firearms ownership who did not suggest fundamentally unreasonable legislation. Typically, such legislators lack a fundamental understanding of firearms technology, resulting in legislation based wholly upon ignorance, such as an attempt to prohibit "barrel shrouds" despite the legislation author admitting ignorance as to the definition of the term.

I said ideally.

Then you did not address my initial question: how will we be "better off" through implementation of unreasonable regulation that fails to address the fundamental causes of mas murder?

And are you one of those people that suddenly has a strong opinion on mental health services in the wake of this? Because it's sounding like it.

Have I previously issued statements expressing apathy toward the poor condition of mental health services in the United States of America?

I have no idea, that's why I asked.

I have never denied that mental health services in the United States are lacking.


www.review.net
 
2012-07-24 03:45:33 PM  

quiotu: Of all these threads about NRA and gun control, I still haven't seen a very valid argument about why a ban on assault weapons would be so bad. Not all guns, just stuff like the AR-15 this guy was using.

It's the only type of gun procurable in the US that doesn't have a valid reason for a civilian to own one. 'Because I can' and 'it's fun to shoot' don't count, either. It's not like you can argue that lack of guns cause more deaths. Most civilized countries other than the US with strict gun laws have extremely low firearm deaths per capita. The issue clearly isn't more guns, since around 80% of Americans already own one. Hasn't exactly helped the ratio any.

So... someone explain to me again the downside to an AWB, other than one of your toys becomes illegal to own.


The AR-15 platform is popular amongst hunters and target shooters. Your claim that no valid reason exists to own one is therefore a lie.

Please explain why you should be considered credible following your demonstrable use of lies.
 
2012-07-24 03:45:52 PM  

quiotu: redmid17: quiotu: Of all these threads about NRA and gun control, I still haven't seen a very valid argument about why a ban on assault weapons would be so bad. Not all guns, just stuff like the AR-15 this guy was using.

It's the only type of gun procurable in the US that doesn't have a valid reason for a civilian to own one. 'Because I can' and 'it's fun to shoot' don't count, either. It's not like you can argue that lack of guns cause more deaths. Most civilized countries other than the US with strict gun laws have extremely low firearm deaths per capita. The issue clearly isn't more guns, since around 80% of Americans already own one. Hasn't exactly helped the ratio any.

So... someone explain to me again the downside to an AWB, other than one of your toys becomes illegal to own.

The AWB was retarded because it banned cosmetic features, not guns with the functionality you are talking about.

Fair enough then, so I'm talking about an actual ban on assault weapons... as in anything semi-automatic, instead of the AWB of the past.

Yes, I'm aware semi-auto includes machine pistols. If you're defending yourself and need semi-auto, your aim sucks and you shouldn't have a gun.


Well now you're talking about outlawing guns that make up about 70% of guns sold in 2006. Banning everything semi-auto means you'll have probably tens of millions (at the very least) of illegal guns in the hands of civilians. How do propose on addressing that?

* Grandfathering in that many guns is pointless
* Buying those guns at fair market price would take a lot of money
* Seizing those guns from people would really piss off a large chunk of society and would be severely impractical to say the least
 
2012-07-24 03:46:05 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: He murdered people with guns.


Actually, at least from the reports I've heard, he murdered people who didn't have guns.
 
2012-07-24 03:46:17 PM  

Bontesla: The Stealth Hippopotamus: ourbigdumbmouth: Isn't it a little disrespectful to the legal process and to the victims to call this guy Sideshow Bob?

No. It's disrespectful to him. And that's kinda the point.

And when are we going to hear the calls for more bomb laws?!

Why didn't his apartment blow skyhigh? If he ready wanted to kill a lot of people and he really is as smart as people are saying he would have to know they would find where he lived. And the odds of him getting away were long. So why wouldnt he place a time triggered bomb in the apartment? Somewhere between 12 & 24 hours everyone and their mother will be crowded around that pace. Cops, reporters and looky Lous will be right there. And on the off chance you do get away you could deactivate it. Doesnt make sense.

And if he had bombs why didn't he use them in the attack??

I think we're still unclear on his intention and whether or not he accomplished his goal.


Don't know if this was posted yet but someone on CNN this morning suggested that he set up the booby traps as a diversion prior to him gunning down theater patrons. He put on some techno music full-volume before leaving for the theater. The guess is he expected a neighbor to complain & someone, either the superintendent or the cops, to open the door, triggering a bunch of bombs & gasoline, and blow the building sky-high. That would give him more time for his rampage while first-responders were dealing with an apartment building on fire.
 
2012-07-24 03:47:37 PM  

quiotu: redmid17: quiotu: Of all these threads about NRA and gun control, I still haven't seen a very valid argument about why a ban on assault weapons would be so bad. Not all guns, just stuff like the AR-15 this guy was using.

It's the only type of gun procurable in the US that doesn't have a valid reason for a civilian to own one. 'Because I can' and 'it's fun to shoot' don't count, either. It's not like you can argue that lack of guns cause more deaths. Most civilized countries other than the US with strict gun laws have extremely low firearm deaths per capita. The issue clearly isn't more guns, since around 80% of Americans already own one. Hasn't exactly helped the ratio any.

So... someone explain to me again the downside to an AWB, other than one of your toys becomes illegal to own.

The AWB was retarded because it banned cosmetic features, not guns with the functionality you are talking about.

Fair enough then, so I'm talking about an actual ban on assault weapons... as in anything semi-automatic, instead of the AWB of the past.

Yes, I'm aware semi-auto includes machine pistols. If you're defending yourself and need semi-auto, your aim sucks and you shouldn't have a gun.


Ban something that Boy Scouts use to earn merit badges? Lol, yeah that's gunna happen.
 
2012-07-24 03:48:02 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: James!: He was probably hoping to kill some cops with it.

Except that he told the cops about the bomb threat in his apartment. That part of this doesn't make sense to me... I remember reading one article where his downstairs neighbor said that at midnight techno-music started blasting from his apartment (and turned off at 1am), she went upstairs against recommendations from her boyfriend to bang on his door about turing the music off... there was no answer so I guess she said screw it. But that kind of makes me think this scenerio had played out between them before and perhaps she was the target of that one...

/conjecture


What, she had a history of entering uninvited?
 
2012-07-24 03:48:09 PM  

Giltric: quiotu: Of all these threads about NRA and gun control, I still haven't seen a very valid argument about why a ban on assault weapons would be so bad. Not all guns, just stuff like the AR-15 this guy was using.

It's the only type of gun procurable in the US that doesn't have a valid reason for a civilian to own one. 'Because I can' and 'it's fun to shoot' don't count, either. It's not like you can argue that lack of guns cause more deaths. Most civilized countries other than the US with strict gun laws have extremely low firearm deaths per capita. The issue clearly isn't more guns, since around 80% of Americans already own one. Hasn't exactly helped the ratio any.

So... someone explain to me again the downside to an AWB, other than one of your toys becomes illegal to own.

If circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens.


That made sense in Hamilton's time because it was actually possible. That isn't possible anymore. Do you know what it would take for the civilian population to compete with the military? Do you know what we'd have to be able to be allowed to own, to even have a miniscule chance in hell of competeing with the military?
 
2012-07-24 03:51:20 PM  

brigid_fitch: Don't know if this was posted yet but someone on CNN this morning suggested that he set up the booby traps as a diversion prior to him gunning down theater patrons. He put on some techno music full-volume before leaving for the theater. The guess is he expected a neighbor to complain & someone, either the superintendent or the cops, to open the door, triggering a bunch of bombs & gasoline, and blow the building sky-high. That would give him more time for his rampage while first-responders were dealing with an apartment building on fire.


Seems rather complicated. Why not just put the explosives on a timer, that'd be more reliable than the off-chance someone comes a-knockin', or calls cops who'll bust in the door.
 
2012-07-24 03:51:35 PM  

sirgrim: vegasj: actually CNN...

[a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net image 850x544]

You don't know the difference between thousand and thousands do you?


i.imgur.com

/better?
 
2012-07-24 03:52:09 PM  
I see the bootlickers who use Drew, Drew & beer, or Duke sucks in every headline to get greenlight are already forcing the SIdeshow Bob thing at Drew's behest.

Drew needs the same thing Lucas did on the new trilogy...a "no" man.
 
2012-07-24 03:53:32 PM  

stonicus: That made sense in Hamilton's time because it was actually possible. That isn't possible anymore. Do you know what it would take for the civilian population to compete with the military? Do you know what we'd have to be able to be allowed to own, to even have a miniscule chance in hell of competeing with the military?


I know, I hate that argument. If the government becomes "formidable to the liberties of the people", you gun nuts aren't going to do a damned thing and you know it.
 
2012-07-24 03:53:50 PM  

quiotu: I still haven't seen a very valid argument about why a ban on assault weapons would be so bad. Not all guns, just stuff like the AR-15 this guy was using.


Defintionally, that's hard.

That gun is like so many other magazine fed, semi-automatic hunting rifles firing .223 Remington civilian round.

What exactly made that particular model gun more deadly? Nothing. How do write legislation that works?

Oh, it LOOKS like a military weapon?

From the wiki article-

Assault Rifle-
-It must be an individual weapon with provision to fire from the shoulder (i.e. a buttstock);
-It must be capable of selective fire; (fire modes including single shot, or multiple or full auto fire)
-It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle;
-Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable magazine rather than a feed-belt.
-And it should at least have a firing range of 300 meters (1000 feet)

Assault Weapon- It defined the rifle type of assault weapon as a semiautomatic firearm with the ability to accept a detachable magazine containing more than 10 rounds, and two or more of the following:

-Folding or telescoping stock
-Primary pistol grip
-Forward grip
-Threaded barrel (for a muzzle brake or a suppressor, commonly called a silencer)
-Barrel shroud

These are AESTHETIC things that don't make a weapon more deadly, they just make it look 'scarier'.

Did you know rifles used in the Winter Olympics qualify as assault weapons?


I am not saying no regulation, rather I am asking that we sponsor legislation that makes rational sense and isn't motivated by fear.

One last point about the specific weapon, the M&P15 and other AR-15 style weapons. The M&P15 is designed as a tactical weapon. That means its intended to be used against people. Let's not be blind to that point. But I know many property owners in the wake of Katrina were very happy to have tactical rifles in their possession to defend their property.

As stable as out society is, there are place and points in time where the police can't help you, and if you are facing large numbers of hostiles, this weapon is for that.
 
2012-07-24 03:57:11 PM  

griffer: Defintionally, that's hard.

That gun is like so many other magazine fed, semi-automatic hunting rifles firing .223 Remington civilian round.

What exactly made that particular model gun more deadly? Nothing. How do write legislation that works?

Oh, it LOOKS like a military weapon?

From the wiki article-

Assault Rifle-
-It must be an individual weapon with provision to fire from the shoulder (i.e. a buttstock);
-It must be capable of selective fire; (fire modes including single shot, or multiple or full auto fire)
-It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle;
-Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable magazine rather than a feed-belt.
-And it should at least have a firing range of 300 meters (1000 feet)

Assault Weapon- It defined the rifle type of assault weapon as a semiautomatic firearm with the ability to accept a detachable magazine containing more than 10 rounds, and two or more of the following:

-Folding or telescoping stock
-Primary pistol grip
-Forward grip
-Threaded barrel (for a muzzle brake or a suppressor, commonly called a silencer)
-Barrel shroud

These are AESTHETIC things that don't make a weapon more deadly, they just make it look 'scarier'.

Did you know rifles used in the Winter Olympics qualify as assault weapons?


I am not saying no regulation, rather I am asking that we sponsor legislation that makes rational sense and isn't motivated by fear.

One last point about the specific weapon, the M&P15 and other AR-15 style weapons. The M&P15 is designed as a tactical weapon. That means its intended to be used against people. Let's not be blind to that point. But I know many property owners in the wake of Katrina were very happy to have tactical rifles in their possession to defend their property.
...


Ex-f*cking-actly! Close your eyes and let me shoot you with a single shot bolt action hunting rifle and then with a M4 semi-automatic assault rifle with optics, laser sight, folding stock, bayonet, and fuzzy dice hanging off the ventilated foregrip.

Which one hurts or kills more readily?
 
2012-07-24 03:57:51 PM  

stonicus: Giltric: quiotu: Of all these threads about NRA and gun control, I still haven't seen a very valid argument about why a ban on assault weapons would be so bad. Not all guns, just stuff like the AR-15 this guy was using.

It's the only type of gun procurable in the US that doesn't have a valid reason for a civilian to own one. 'Because I can' and 'it's fun to shoot' don't count, either. It's not like you can argue that lack of guns cause more deaths. Most civilized countries other than the US with strict gun laws have extremely low firearm deaths per capita. The issue clearly isn't more guns, since around 80% of Americans already own one. Hasn't exactly helped the ratio any.

So... someone explain to me again the downside to an AWB, other than one of your toys becomes illegal to own.

If circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens.

That made sense in Hamilton's time because it was actually possible. That isn't possible anymore. Do you know what it would take for the civilian population to compete with the military? Do you know what we'd have to be able to be allowed to own, to even have a miniscule chance in hell of competeing with the military?


Ask the Vietnamese what level of weaponry you need to grind American forces to a halt.
 
2012-07-24 03:58:14 PM  

stonicus: Giltric: quiotu: Of all these threads about NRA and gun control, I still haven't seen a very valid argument about why a ban on assault weapons would be so bad. Not all guns, just stuff like the AR-15 this guy was using.

It's the only type of gun procurable in the US that doesn't have a valid reason for a civilian to own one. 'Because I can' and 'it's fun to shoot' don't count, either. It's not like you can argue that lack of guns cause more deaths. Most civilized countries other than the US with strict gun laws have extremely low firearm deaths per capita. The issue clearly isn't more guns, since around 80% of Americans already own one. Hasn't exactly helped the ratio any.

So... someone explain to me again the downside to an AWB, other than one of your toys becomes illegal to own.

If circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens.

That made sense in Hamilton's time because it was actually possible. That isn't possible anymore. Do you know what it would take for the civilian population to compete with the military? Do you know what we'd have to be able to be allowed to own, to even have a miniscule chance in hell of competeing with the military?


A Mosin-Nagant?

www.mikescampfire.com
 
2012-07-24 03:58:56 PM  
To those that think an armed citizenry cannot over throw the government: You won't sound so smug when Tea Baggers take over the country and you have armored hover rounds rolling down your street

/In actuality a citizenry that can properly shoot would be very important in a time of nation crisis/invasion/draft.
//Shooting clubs taught future WW2 GIs how to operate the M1 before they entered service
 
2012-07-24 03:59:37 PM  

brigid_fitch: Don't know if this was posted yet but someone on CNN this morning suggested that he set up the booby traps as a diversion prior to him gunning down theater patrons. He put on some techno music full-volume before leaving for the theater. The guess is he expected a neighbor to complain & someone, either the superintendent or the cops, to open the door, triggering a bunch of bombs & gasoline, and blow the building sky-high. That would give him more time for his rampage while first-responders were dealing with an apartment building on fire.


Makes more sense than anything else I've heard regarding that tidbit.
 
2012-07-24 04:00:35 PM  
All Katniss needed was a bow.
 
2012-07-24 04:00:37 PM  

Frank N Stein: To those that think an armed citizenry cannot over throw the government: You won't sound so smug when Tea Baggers take over the country and you have armored hover rounds rolling down your street

/In actuality a citizenry that can properly shoot would be very important in a time of nation crisis/invasion/draft.
//Shooting clubs taught future WW2 GIs how to operate the M1 before they entered service


The US Army ran a civilian marksmanship program for almost 100 years AND sold surplus rifles to the members of said program until 1996, but guns are bad so we can't do that anymore.
 
2012-07-24 04:01:35 PM  

AngryJailhouseFistfark: brigid_fitch: Don't know if this was posted yet but someone on CNN this morning suggested that he set up the booby traps as a diversion prior to him gunning down theater patrons. He put on some techno music full-volume before leaving for the theater. The guess is he expected a neighbor to complain & someone, either the superintendent or the cops, to open the door, triggering a bunch of bombs & gasoline, and blow the building sky-high. That would give him more time for his rampage while first-responders were dealing with an apartment building on fire.

Seems rather complicated. Why not just put the explosives on a timer, that'd be more reliable than the off-chance someone comes a-knockin', or calls cops who'll bust in the door.


That's the only thing making me think he planned on offing himself. Then, after he's dead, one last slap in the face to the cops or whoever.

To me, it has to be all about the timer on the stereo. Not a timer on the bombs, but on the stereo. It wasn't just to blow the building up, it was designed to kill. A simple timer on the bomb itself would have been sufficient to draw nearly every first responsder, 2nd, 3rd, 4th prolly as well, to that scene. But no, he needed someone else there to set it off. Why? All that does is remove the "when" from the equation, and takes it out of his hands. It removes its ability to act as a deterrent, because as we saw, the thing never went off. This makes me discredit the "distract the cops" idea.

But, if I rule out "deterent", then I am left with 2 other options: "attack on cops", or "personal attack against someone in the building". If the stereo goes off before the attack, then the cops (or his neighbors) would come and the place would blow and he'd have more time at the theater. This didn't happen, and wasn't designed to happen. He had no control of when that thing would blow up. If the stereo comes on after the shootout, did he really think 911 would respond to a noise complaint? No, perhaps he was baiting the neighbor to enter his apartment.
 
2012-07-24 04:01:44 PM  

Dimensio: The AR-15 platform is popular amongst hunters and target shooters. Your claim that no valid reason exists to own one is therefore a lie.

Please explain why you should be considered credible following your demonstrable use of lies.


Someone needs a semi-auto rifle to hunt? Again, they must suck... maybe they should give up hunting.

redmid17: Well now you're talking about outlawing guns that make up about 70% of guns sold in 2006. Banning everything semi-auto means you'll have probably tens of millions (at the very least) of illegal guns in the hands of civilians. How do propose on addressing that?


You don't have to stop selling the guns, just stop selling the semi-auto variety. If they can be either/or, I assume there's a way to modify existing guns to turn them single-fire. Perhaps along with the ban there's subsidies for gun-owners to make the modifications, or sell them back to the government.

stonicus:
That made sense in Hamilton's time because it was actually possible. That isn't possible anymore. Do you know what it would take for the civilian population to compete with the military? Do you know what we'd have to be able to be allowed to own, to even have a miniscule chance in hell of competeing with the military?


Exactly. That Red Dawn/zombie apocalypse/government revolution idea is pure fantasy wank. The next logical step is to make it reality, like the Aurora psycho did. You're the problem if you believe that's a sound reason.
 
2012-07-24 04:02:31 PM  

redmid17: Frank N Stein: To those that think an armed citizenry cannot over throw the government: You won't sound so smug when Tea Baggers take over the country and you have armored hover rounds rolling down your street

/In actuality a citizenry that can properly shoot would be very important in a time of nation crisis/invasion/draft.
//Shooting clubs taught future WW2 GIs how to operate the M1 before they entered service

The US Army ran a civilian marksmanship program for almost 100 years AND sold surplus rifles to the members of said program until 1996, but guns are bad so we can't do that anymore.


Love the CMP. Looking for an affiliated club so I can get my hands on a Garand
 
2012-07-24 04:03:25 PM  

Frank N Stein: redmid17: Frank N Stein: To those that think an armed citizenry cannot over throw the government: You won't sound so smug when Tea Baggers take over the country and you have armored hover rounds rolling down your street

/In actuality a citizenry that can properly shoot would be very important in a time of nation crisis/invasion/draft.
//Shooting clubs taught future WW2 GIs how to operate the M1 before they entered service

The US Army ran a civilian marksmanship program for almost 100 years AND sold surplus rifles to the members of said program until 1996, but guns are bad so we can't do that anymore.

Love the CMP. Looking for an affiliated club so I can get my hands on a Garand


Haha I wish I could afford a garand. I'll stick with my $99 mosin-nagant and its dirty ammo for the time being

/farking cosmoline
 
2012-07-24 04:03:56 PM  

quiotu: Dimensio: The AR-15 platform is popular amongst hunters and target shooters. Your claim that no valid reason exists to own one is therefore a lie.

Please explain why you should be considered credible following your demonstrable use of lies.

Someone needs a semi-auto rifle to hunt? Again, they must suck... maybe they should give up hunting.


"Need" is not relevant. Your previous claim was a lie. For what reason should you be considered to be a credible source of information following your demonstrable use of lies?
 
2012-07-24 04:04:02 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: /conjecture

What, she had a history of entering uninvited?


Meh. Me no know.
 
2012-07-24 04:04:20 PM  

Mugato: stonicus: That made sense in Hamilton's time because it was actually possible. That isn't possible anymore. Do you know what it would take for the civilian population to compete with the military? Do you know what we'd have to be able to be allowed to own, to even have a miniscule chance in hell of competeing with the military?

I know, I hate that argument. If the government becomes "formidable to the liberties of the people", you gun nuts aren't going to do a damned thing and you know it.


Why do you assume that every single tank commander, pilot and GI is on your side?

Sure tanks and helicopters and fighter/bombers are dangerous.....but you are forgetting that they all need a man or woman in the seat to perform their job. Even predator drones that can fire hellfire missles needs a person at the controls in one location or another.

Some people have this fantasy of revolting against the government....but it;'s just as bad a fantasy as those who think the manpower of the US government are all in favor of stepping on the necks of Americans.

What happens when the pilot takes off...then promplty turns back to base and levels it?
 
2012-07-24 04:04:25 PM  

Frank N Stein: Love the CMP. Looking for an affiliated club so I can get my hands on a Garand


I'd love to have one only because that's what my grandfather lugged all over Africa and Italy. They're getting so damn pricey, though.
 
2012-07-24 04:05:27 PM  

redmid17: Frank N Stein: To those that think an armed citizenry cannot over throw the government: You won't sound so smug when Tea Baggers take over the country and you have armored hover rounds rolling down your street

/In actuality a citizenry that can properly shoot would be very important in a time of nation crisis/invasion/draft.
//Shooting clubs taught future WW2 GIs how to operate the M1 before they entered service

The US Army ran a civilian marksmanship program for almost 100 years AND sold surplus rifles to the members of said program until 1996, but guns are bad so we can't do that anymore.


Didn't they stop to do an audit?
 
2012-07-24 04:07:42 PM  

Fano: Ask the Vietnamese what level of weaponry you need to grind American forces to a halt.


I love how gun nuts have this masturbatory fantasy about fighting our own military.

In Viet Nam, we invaded them on their turf. We were under-equipped. And we were fighting everyone in the country while destroying half of it. Now how the FARK could that be close to the same scenario as a very small percent of our citizens rising up against our own military?

Christ guys, just nut up and admit you like your toys and cut the Red Dawn shiat.
 
2012-07-24 04:08:26 PM  

quiotu: Yes, I'm aware semi-auto includes machine pistols. If you're defending yourself and need semi-auto, your aim sucks and you shouldn't have a gun.


You are quite confused.

Let me help you with terms.

Semi-automatic simply means when you pul the trigger, one shot is fired and the next round is loaded automatically. It is half (semi) automatic, only the loading cycle is automatic. Examples of semi-automatic weapons include varmint rifles, Ruger mini rifles, 1911 handguns, police handguns such as Beretta M9s and Glocks or all types.


Fully-automatic means the loading AND firing happen automatically. You hold the trigger down and you get multiple shots. Some designs limit the number of rapid fire shots in a single pull, others simply fire until the ammo is exhausted or the trigger is released.

Machine Pistols are a specific type of weapon that use pistol calibers, versus rifle calibers, are are capably of fully automatic fire. Mac 10s are examples of these. The early Tec 9s could be converted to machine pistols.

Semi-automatic rifles come in many styles and are used for hunting and target shooting. Semi-auto handguns are the most common among law enforcement today and are preferred for self defense and carry models. FBI and Secret Service carry semi-automatic pistols. Skill has nothing to do with the platform.

And as long as this is a ballistics primer, you should know that fully automatic fire, even from a shoulder fired rifle, is not accurate. Even more so in a hand-held, short barreled weapon like a machine pistol. Tactically, it is primarily used as 'suppression' fire. In a military engagement, the preferred shots are aimed single shots, but to force an enemy position to take cover and not return fire, spraying a volume or rounds, that may lack accuracy, soldiers switch to full auto.
 
2012-07-24 04:08:49 PM  

griffer:
I am not saying no regulation, rather I am asking that we sponsor legislation that makes rational sense and isn't motivated by fear.

One last point about the specific weapon, the M&P15 and other AR-15 style weapons. The M&P15 is designed as a tactical weapon. That means its intended to be used against people. Let's not be blind to that point. But I know many property owners in the wake of Katrina were very happy to have tactical rifles in their possession to defend their property.
...


I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just stating that semi-auto suddenly makes a gun much more lethal. If there's a single-fire version of the AR-15, and I'm sure there is, then go ahead and sell it. If you need semi-auto to defend yourself, then it's probably because the people around you also have them. The solution can't be the problem as well, sorry but that just becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy then.

/my gun knowledge is limited, but I'm pretty sure semi-auto isn't needed other than to make you feel better
 
2012-07-24 04:09:09 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: redmid17: Frank N Stein: To those that think an armed citizenry cannot over throw the government: You won't sound so smug when Tea Baggers take over the country and you have armored hover rounds rolling down your street

/In actuality a citizenry that can properly shoot would be very important in a time of nation crisis/invasion/draft.
//Shooting clubs taught future WW2 GIs how to operate the M1 before they entered service

The US Army ran a civilian marksmanship program for almost 100 years AND sold surplus rifles to the members of said program until 1996, but guns are bad so we can't do that anymore.

Didn't they stop to do an audit?


All I remember off the top of my head is that part of the defense budget switched whomever was in charge of the program and removed federal funding. That was two years after the AWB was passed.
 
2012-07-24 04:09:43 PM  

Mugato: I love how gun nuts have this masturbatory fantasy about fighting our own military.


Probably as sick as the fantasy gun grabbers have of a government that kills its own citizenry while confiscating firearms in order to prevent violence.
 
2012-07-24 04:11:09 PM  

griffer: And as long as this is a ballistics primer, you should know that fully automatic fire, even from a shoulder fired rifle, is not accurate.


To the point where some modern automatic rifles have a 3-round burst setting.
 
2012-07-24 04:11:21 PM  

quiotu:
/my gun knowledge is limited


Then your claims regarding firearms are not credible.
 
2012-07-24 04:12:00 PM  

Giltric: Mugato: I love how gun nuts have this masturbatory fantasy about fighting our own military.

Probably as sick as the fantasy gun grabbers have of a government that kills its own citizenry while confiscating firearms in order to prevent violence.


I *love* guns and even that made ME hard!
 
2012-07-24 04:13:11 PM  

Mugato: Christ guys, just nut up and admit you like your toys


I like that I can own something that is both a skill and hobby I can get better at and I can defend myself.

I, unlike the constitutional theorists, do not believe I will ever have to feed the tree of liberty. I do believe that I can do nothing to change the fact that there are 200+million guns out there, and the best answer to someone trying to use on against me, is that I have one, preferably a better one, and I have the superior skill.

And gun or no gun, I refuse to sit back and wait for the cops during a home invasion, whether they are armed or not.
 
2012-07-24 04:14:13 PM  

Giltric: Mugato: I love how gun nuts have this masturbatory fantasy about fighting our own military.

Probably as sick as the fantasy gun grabbers have of a government that kills its own citizenry while confiscating firearms in order to prevent violence.


Well I think they're both sick. And despite what you probably think, I'm not a gun grabber. I just find this idea that you all are preparing for when the gov't gets out of line farking hilarious. I have a gun too. I shoot with dad because it's fun. Just admit that you want all those toys because you like to shoot but don't pretend you could ever be any real threat to the US armed forces.

/these are the same people who put magnetic ribbons on their car
//but if you get out of line, we'll fark you up
 
2012-07-24 04:15:07 PM  

griffer: And gun or no gun, I refuse to sit back and wait for the cops during a home invasion, whether they are armed or not.


My brother's a cop. He'll be the first to tell you he can't protect you. I mean, he isn't sitting out front my house, waiting. It's the same reason I have a fire extinguisher in my house even though the fire department is just down the road.
 
2012-07-24 04:15:10 PM  

Al_Ed: Giltric: Mugato: I love how gun nuts have this masturbatory fantasy about fighting our own military.

Probably as sick as the fantasy gun grabbers have of a government that kills its own citizenry while confiscating firearms in order to prevent violence.

I *love* guns and even that made ME hard!


What a shame that there are no licensing or evaluations to prevent you from spreading your seed and passing on your mental deficiencies to offspring.
 
2012-07-24 04:15:36 PM  

redmid17: Frank N Stein: redmid17: Frank N Stein: To those that think an armed citizenry cannot over throw the government: You won't sound so smug when Tea Baggers take over the country and you have armored hover rounds rolling down your street

/In actuality a citizenry that can properly shoot would be very important in a time of nation crisis/invasion/draft.
//Shooting clubs taught future WW2 GIs how to operate the M1 before they entered service

The US Army ran a civilian marksmanship program for almost 100 years AND sold surplus rifles to the members of said program until 1996, but guns are bad so we can't do that anymore.

Love the CMP. Looking for an affiliated club so I can get my hands on a Garand

Haha I wish I could afford a garand. I'll stick with my $99 mosin-nagant and its dirty ammo for the time being

/farking cosmoline


You can keep your commie gun. I'll be over hear breathing the sweet air of freedom that only the gases from a freshly shot 30-06 can produce :)
 
2012-07-24 04:15:37 PM  

quiotu: /my gun knowledge is limited


I posted a very accurate primer for you and anyone else interested.

The AR-15 is by definition as single shot weapon.

Civilians can't just up and buy a fully automatic gun without first going through some very elaborate steps.
 
2012-07-24 04:17:40 PM  

Giltric: What a shame that there are no licensing or evaluations to prevent you from spreading your seed and passing on your mental deficiencies to offspring.


Too late...I've procreated. And my kids f*cking LOVE guns! My little girl has a pink AR-15 and my son has his own AK and Saiga 12 now that he's big enough to handle the kick. I mean, they aren't allowed to take their guns to school or nothin'...that's why I got them each a spring assisted folding knife.
 
2012-07-24 04:17:58 PM  

griffer: quiotu: Yes, I'm aware semi-auto includes machine pistols. If you're defending yourself and need semi-auto, your aim sucks and you shouldn't have a gun.

You are quite confused.

Let me help you with terms.

Semi-automatic simply means when you pul the trigger, one shot is fired and the next round is loaded automatically. It is half (semi) automatic, only the loading cycle is automatic. Examples of semi-automatic weapons include varmint rifles, Ruger mini rifles, 1911 handguns, police handguns such as Beretta M9s and Glocks or all types.


Fully-automatic means the loading AND firing happen automatically. You hold the trigger down and you get multiple shots. Some designs limit the number of rapid fire shots in a single pull, others simply fire until the ammo is exhausted or the trigger is released.

Machine Pistols are a specific type of weapon that use pistol calibers, versus rifle calibers, are are capably of fully automatic fire. Mac 10s are examples of these. The early Tec 9s could be converted to machine pistols.

Semi-automatic rifles come in many styles and are used for hunting and target shooting. Semi-auto handguns are the most common among law enforcement today and are preferred for self defense and carry models. FBI and Secret Service carry semi-automatic pistols. Skill has nothing to do with the platform.

And as long as this is a ballistics primer, you should know that fully automatic fire, even from a shoulder fired rifle, is not accurate. Even more so in a hand-held, short barreled weapon like a machine pistol. Tactically, it is primarily used as 'suppression' fire. In a military engagement, the preferred shots are aimed single shots, but to force an enemy position to take cover and not return fire, spraying a volume or rounds, that may lack accuracy, soldiers switch to full auto.


Alright, you got me there. I always categorized semi-auto as the 2 or 3-round-burst selective fire. I still think anything that could fire more than one bullet per trigger pull is unnecessary, but I admit I got my terms mixed.
 
2012-07-24 04:20:10 PM  

TheJoe03: Are people here really implying that guns should be banned because of this assclown? I guess some people are too blind to see the ramifications of such an action. Maybe they think a law would make guns disappear or something or perhaps they trust in people so much they assume no one would dare sell a gun if they were illegal. Maybe they also believe criminals and dangerous people would stop using guns if they become illegal.


Yes, of course people are really implying that guns should be banned because of this - and only this - assclown. This is an isolated incident. It's certainly nothing systemic in American society today. For proof of that, check out this list of 125 fatal mass shootings between Columbine (April 20, 1999) and Aurora (July 20, 2012). If you want to crunch some numbers, that's a rate of at least 1 fatal mass shooting per 1.3 months in the past 13 years.
 
2012-07-24 04:20:19 PM  

Al_Ed: Giltric: What a shame that there are no licensing or evaluations to prevent you from spreading your seed and passing on your mental deficiencies to offspring.

Too late...I've procreated. And my kids f*cking LOVE guns! My little girl has a pink AR-15 and my son has his own AK and Saiga 12 now that he's big enough to handle the kick. I mean, they aren't allowed to take their guns to school or nothin'...that's why I got them each a spring assisted folding knife.


If she's old enough to shoot a gun, she's old enough to fark...
 
2012-07-24 04:21:04 PM  

quiotu: griffer: quiotu: Yes, I'm aware semi-auto includes machine pistols. If you're defending yourself and need semi-auto, your aim sucks and you shouldn't have a gun.

You are quite confused.

Let me help you with terms.

Semi-automatic simply means when you pul the trigger, one shot is fired and the next round is loaded automatically. It is half (semi) automatic, only the loading cycle is automatic. Examples of semi-automatic weapons include varmint rifles, Ruger mini rifles, 1911 handguns, police handguns such as Beretta M9s and Glocks or all types.


Fully-automatic means the loading AND firing happen automatically. You hold the trigger down and you get multiple shots. Some designs limit the number of rapid fire shots in a single pull, others simply fire until the ammo is exhausted or the trigger is released.

Machine Pistols are a specific type of weapon that use pistol calibers, versus rifle calibers, are are capably of fully automatic fire. Mac 10s are examples of these. The early Tec 9s could be converted to machine pistols.

Semi-automatic rifles come in many styles and are used for hunting and target shooting. Semi-auto handguns are the most common among law enforcement today and are preferred for self defense and carry models. FBI and Secret Service carry semi-automatic pistols. Skill has nothing to do with the platform.

And as long as this is a ballistics primer, you should know that fully automatic fire, even from a shoulder fired rifle, is not accurate. Even more so in a hand-held, short barreled weapon like a machine pistol. Tactically, it is primarily used as 'suppression' fire. In a military engagement, the preferred shots are aimed single shots, but to force an enemy position to take cover and not return fire, spraying a volume or rounds, that may lack accuracy, soldiers switch to full auto.

Alright, you got me there. I always categorized semi-auto as the 2 or 3-round-burst selective fire. I still think anything that could fire more than on ...


Your acknowledgement of error has revealed my previous assessment of dishonesty to be in error. I apologize for my mistake.
 
2012-07-24 04:21:15 PM  

AngryJailhouseFistfark: brigid_fitch: Don't know if this was posted yet but someone on CNN this morning suggested that he set up the booby traps as a diversion prior to him gunning down theater patrons. He put on some techno music full-volume before leaving for the theater. The guess is he expected a neighbor to complain & someone, either the superintendent or the cops, to open the door, triggering a bunch of bombs & gasoline, and blow the building sky-high. That would give him more time for his rampage while first-responders were dealing with an apartment building on fire.

Seems rather complicated. Why not just put the explosives on a timer, that'd be more reliable than the off-chance someone comes a-knockin', or calls cops who'll bust in the door.


Agreed but maybe a timer was too complicated, so he decided on a trip-wire (which we know he used) and nosy neighbors, And maybe he didn't call the cops because his phone would be traced? Again, just speculation. It seemed to me the most logical explanation since he apparently TOLD the cops about the booby traps. Why tell them if he just wanted a higher body count?
 
2012-07-24 04:21:32 PM  

quiotu: Alright, you got me there. I always categorized semi-auto as the 2 or 3-round-burst selective fire. I still think anything that could fire more than one bullet per trigger pull is unnecessary, but I admit I got my terms mixed.


You have to be a federally licensed firearm dealer to own one of those bad boys.
 
2012-07-24 04:21:44 PM  
With the limited firearms knowledge displayed by the gun grabbers that want to legislate restrictive laws on the issue, I'm reminded of the "series of tubes" Internet comment. Internet geeks across the country slammed the senator's ignorance on the subject and the power he wields over laws on said subject.

Yet in this case it's perfectly fine not knowing what exactly you're railing against.
 
2012-07-24 04:21:53 PM  

stonicus: If she's old enough to shoot a gun, she's old enough to fark...


I bet you're from West Virginia.
 
2012-07-24 04:23:13 PM  

misanthropologist: TheJoe03: Are people here really implying that guns should be banned because of this assclown? I guess some people are too blind to see the ramifications of such an action. Maybe they think a law would make guns disappear or something or perhaps they trust in people so much they assume no one would dare sell a gun if they were illegal. Maybe they also believe criminals and dangerous people would stop using guns if they become illegal.

Yes, of course people are really implying that guns should be banned because of this - and only this - assclown. This is an isolated incident. It's certainly nothing systemic in American society today. For proof of that, check out this list of 125 fatal mass shootings between Columbine (April 20, 1999) and Aurora (July 20, 2012). If you want to crunch some numbers, that's a rate of at least 1 fatal mass shooting per 1.3 months in the past 13 years.


Just a quick question: Do you know how many of those shootings were gang and drug related versus "psycho shoots up a school"?
 
2012-07-24 04:24:20 PM  

redmid17: misanthropologist: TheJoe03: Are people here really implying that guns should be banned because of this assclown? I guess some people are too blind to see the ramifications of such an action. Maybe they think a law would make guns disappear or something or perhaps they trust in people so much they assume no one would dare sell a gun if they were illegal. Maybe they also believe criminals and dangerous people would stop using guns if they become illegal.

Yes, of course people are really implying that guns should be banned because of this - and only this - assclown. This is an isolated incident. It's certainly nothing systemic in American society today. For proof of that, check out this list of 125 fatal mass shootings between Columbine (April 20, 1999) and Aurora (July 20, 2012). If you want to crunch some numbers, that's a rate of at least 1 fatal mass shooting per 1.3 months in the past 13 years.

Just a quick question: Do you know how many of those shootings were gang and drug related versus "psycho shoots up a school"?


Is such a distinction necessary? Obviously, the objectionable element is the firearm; had mass homicides been committed with other implements, they would have been acceptable.
 
2012-07-24 04:25:40 PM  

Giltric: Al_Ed: Giltric: Mugato: I love how gun nuts have this masturbatory fantasy about fighting our own military.

Probably as sick as the fantasy gun grabbers have of a government that kills its own citizenry while confiscating firearms in order to prevent violence.

I *love* guns and even that made ME hard!

What a shame that there are no licensing or evaluations to prevent you from spreading your seed and passing on your mental deficiencies to offspring.


Eh, you pick the idiot to respond to?
 
2012-07-24 04:26:05 PM  

brigid_fitch: Agreed but maybe a timer was too complicated,


Look at all the other stuff this guy put together: a timer wouldn't be too complicated. He wanted to taunt the cops and sit smirking in the patrol car when the radio call came back saying police were killed when the bomb went off as they tried to gain access to his apartment.
 
2012-07-24 04:27:06 PM  
Oh, well...it's time for me to go home. The wife is working late so me and the kids will practice setting up and recovering Claymores.

Have gun..fun everyone!

(even you, griffer...good to hear from you)
 
2012-07-24 04:27:59 PM  

Mugato: Giltric: Mugato: I love how gun nuts have this masturbatory fantasy about fighting our own military.

Probably as sick as the fantasy gun grabbers have of a government that kills its own citizenry while confiscating firearms in order to prevent violence.

Well I think they're both sick. And despite what you probably think, I'm not a gun grabber. I just find this idea that you all are preparing for when the gov't gets out of line farking hilarious. I have a gun too. I shoot with dad because it's fun. Just admit that you want all those toys because you like to shoot but don't pretend you could ever be any real threat to the US armed forces.

/these are the same people who put magnetic ribbons on their car
//but if you get out of line, we'll fark you up


I'm not preparing for the government getting out of line, but Id rather err on the side of caution and be allowed to own a modern military style semi automatic firearm with a pistol grip and detachable magazine of 20+ rounds then have to rely on filling out a piece of paper and slipping it into a suggestion box as some guy in green is staring at me through his AO-Tech.

The line is an arbitrary line to cross anyway.
 
2012-07-24 04:28:52 PM  

quiotu: I still think anything that could fire more than one bullet per trigger pull is unnecessary


And so does our current law.

That's cool. Actually listening is what makes for a calm, rational discussion.

I didn't mean to GET you, I genuinely thought I could clarify terms.

So, now how does that information set with you? The shooter only got one bullet per trigger pull.

Here is another one for you to wrap your brain around.

The media makes a big deal about the Beta Mag. A high capacity magazine that holds 100 rounds.

There are a couple reason the military doesn't count on these mags in combat. They jam, and they are large and heavy. I believe the weight contributes to the jamming.

The shooter got off about 60 rounds from this magazine before it jammed.

The media has made a big deal about how many shot COULD be fired in a minute.

Now, a standard magazine for this type of gun is 30 rounds. A trained magazine swap- eject the empy, load a fresh 30 round mag and close the bolt- takes only 1 second. I could fire 3 magazines or 90 rounds in a little over a minute, I can do 2 mags and 60, easily. Single shot. In an afternoon, so could you.

So would banning the beta mag help?
 
2012-07-24 04:28:59 PM  

Dimensio: redmid17: misanthropologist: TheJoe03: Are people here really implying that guns should be banned because of this assclown? I guess some people are too blind to see the ramifications of such an action. Maybe they think a law would make guns disappear or something or perhaps they trust in people so much they assume no one would dare sell a gun if they were illegal. Maybe they also believe criminals and dangerous people would stop using guns if they become illegal.

Yes, of course people are really implying that guns should be banned because of this - and only this - assclown. This is an isolated incident. It's certainly nothing systemic in American society today. For proof of that, check out this list of 125 fatal mass shootings between Columbine (April 20, 1999) and Aurora (July 20, 2012). If you want to crunch some numbers, that's a rate of at least 1 fatal mass shooting per 1.3 months in the past 13 years.

Just a quick question: Do you know how many of those shootings were gang and drug related versus "psycho shoots up a school"?

Is such a distinction necessary? Obviously, the objectionable element is the firearm; had mass homicides been committed with other implements, they would have been acceptable.


Well yes. The war on drugs obviously influences the former and does nothing for the latter. Establishing the root cause lets us work on eliminating the problem at the source. If it's 125 psycho shooters, then obviously start with healthcare. If it's 124 drug shootings (with illegally acquired guns most likely), then you probably want to start with that.
 
2012-07-24 04:29:21 PM  

Mugato: Eh, you pick the idiot to respond to?


Suck me, Fugato! I'm making light off all the nonsense in this thread, both vociferously for and against gun control.
 
2012-07-24 04:29:57 PM  

Dimensio: Obviously, the objectionable element is the firearm; had mass homicides been committed with other implements, they would have been acceptable.


We generally frown on explosives as well.

I'm interested in all of the sword massacres that occur though.
 
2012-07-24 04:30:55 PM  
The grenades were wired to a control box in the kitchen, which bomb technicians disabled with the help of a remote-controlled robot that squirted water on it.

My farking heroes. A (multi?)million dollar robot to do the job of a super-soaker.
 
2012-07-24 04:31:52 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: Obviously, the objectionable element is the firearm; had mass homicides been committed with other implements, they would have been acceptable.

We generally frown on explosives as well.

I'm interested in all of the sword massacres that occur though.


How about a kitchen knife?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre
 
2012-07-24 04:33:13 PM  
Someday someone will be killed with a spoon and then we'll ALL be f*cked because soup is delicious.
 
2012-07-24 04:33:29 PM  

Dimensio: Is such a distinction necessary? Obviously, the objectionable element is the firearm; had mass homicides been committed with other implements, they would have been acceptable.


You don't think motive matters?

I do.

Legalize and decriminalize and you remove the motive for gang shootings.

If you address the motive- poverty, desperation, drugs- you reduce crime. Most crime is an economic activity.

Mass shootings like Aurora are not.

The problem is, I don't think you can ever stop an intelligent, committed crazy person from doing harm.

We haven't stopped serial killers, arsonist, pedophiles or rapist, but they don't need a particular product to commit their insanity. Take away one tool, they will use another.
 
2012-07-24 04:34:10 PM  

redmid17: HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: Obviously, the objectionable element is the firearm; had mass homicides been committed with other implements, they would have been acceptable.

We generally frown on explosives as well.

I'm interested in all of the sword massacres that occur though.

How about a kitchen knife?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre


Osaka...that's in Iowa, right? It has to be America, because the root cause of massacres is our poor mental health system.
 
2012-07-24 04:34:35 PM  

OnlyM3: The grenades were wired to a control box in the kitchen, which bomb technicians disabled with the help of a remote-controlled robot that squirted water on it.
My farking heroes. A (multi?)million dollar robot to do the job of a super-soaker.


Can you curve the stream around corners?
 
2012-07-24 04:35:23 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: redmid17: HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: Obviously, the objectionable element is the firearm; had mass homicides been committed with other implements, they would have been acceptable.

We generally frown on explosives as well.

I'm interested in all of the sword massacres that occur though.

How about a kitchen knife?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre

Osaka...that's in Iowa, right? It has to be America, because the root cause of massacres is our poor mental health system.


Nah we expanded it to Japan and China too cause they own so much of America.
 
2012-07-24 04:37:29 PM  
Considering this guy was in med school, I am surprised no one has blamed the banks yet.

This stuff cost some serious coin.

I bet he used credit cards to by all this stuff.

Banks should monitor what their loaned money is being spent on.

2011, the banks did it.
2012, the banks did it.
 
2012-07-24 04:37:51 PM  

redmid17: HotWingConspiracy: redmid17: HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: Obviously, the objectionable element is the firearm; had mass homicides been committed with other implements, they would have been acceptable.

We generally frown on explosives as well.

I'm interested in all of the sword massacres that occur though.

How about a kitchen knife?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre

Osaka...that's in Iowa, right? It has to be America, because the root cause of massacres is our poor mental health system.

Nah we expanded it to Japan and China too cause they own so much of America.


Money well spent!
 
2012-07-24 04:40:07 PM  
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2012-07-24 04:45:04 PM  

misanthropologist: TheJoe03: Are people here really implying that guns should be banned because of this assclown? I guess some people are too blind to see the ramifications of such an action. Maybe they think a law would make guns disappear or something or perhaps they trust in people so much they assume no one would dare sell a gun if they were illegal. Maybe they also believe criminals and dangerous people would stop using guns if they become illegal.

Yes, of course people are really implying that guns should be banned because of this - and only this - assclown. This is an isolated incident. It's certainly nothing systemic in American society today. For proof of that, check out this list of 125 fatal mass shootings between Columbine (April 20, 1999) and Aurora (July 20, 2012). If you want to crunch some numbers, that's a rate of at least 1 fatal mass shooting per 1.3 months in the past 13 years.


That list includes normal crimes...not necessarily mass shootings like the theatre. For instance they list the Newark schoolyard shooting from 8/4/07 which was a robbery where 6 men armed with guns and machetes attempted to rob a group of 4 kids.

The one for 7/22/07 in Philly was an argument inside a bar where a group of people got into an argument and one of the people went out and got their gun and shot some of the people they were arguing with.

Arguments are one of the most common causes of violence...people end up stabbed, beaten and shot. I doubt very much that any sort of legislation would have prevented either of those situations from happening....the robbers in newark were already armed with a machete......

In fact the common link from those 2 situations is that thier was one goup of people that had no respect for the other.

I could proably go through the link and whittle it down even more, but since the first 2 I looked at were not shooting sprees or mass shootings.....just everyday lack of respect for fellow man.....I probably won't bother.
 
2012-07-24 04:49:29 PM  

vegasj: Raharu: Ah, the guy with theory that the President is secretly working the black panthers is ordering thousands of rounds. Do you get free shipping on your tinfoil hats? Is it more expensive to buy the hats pre-made, or do you make them yourself to keep your money out of the hands of big tinfoil?

How is that relevant to this thread? Don't be a douchebag... stay on topic or I'll cock slap you over the 'net


I'm sorry I thought we were talking about people with more weapons and ammo then sanity in this thread.
 
2012-07-24 04:52:33 PM  

griffer: OnlyM3: The grenades were wired to a control box in the kitchen, which bomb technicians disabled with the help of a remote-controlled robot that squirted water on it.
My farking heroes. A (multi?)million dollar robot to do the job of a super-soaker.

Can you curve the stream around corners?


geektyrant.com

This individual is capable.
 
2012-07-24 04:53:52 PM  
Not shocked my gunkata reference was picked up in here.
 
2012-07-24 05:02:11 PM  
His James name Holmes is James not Holmes sideshow James bob Holmes. It James never Holmes was James sideshow Holmes bob James, and Holmes it James will Holmes never James be Holmes sideshow James bob Holmes.

For crying out loud, he's not a kid in *timeout*
/James Holmes
 
2012-07-24 05:20:17 PM  
Little Jimmy's been VERY, VERY naughty.

Fark him, don't use his name.

He doesn't deserve infamy.
 
2012-07-24 05:37:40 PM  

probesport: FTA: The grenades were wired to a control box in the kitchen, which bomb technicians disabled with the help of a remote-controlled robot that squirted water on it.

Sounds sophisticated.


The "journalist" makes it sound like a squirtgun. Which I suppose it is, in a way-- but it's more likely that they were using one of the explosively-driven shaped-charge water projectile devices. This one, for example, is placed under cars, and then drives the water hard enough to punch through the car and shove the explosive device through the roof.

Now that I think about it, any definition of "squirtgun" that includes devices that can punch water straight through a car is cool with me. Carry on.
 
2012-07-24 05:52:34 PM  

Frank N Stein: With the limited firearms knowledge displayed by the gun grabbers that want to legislate restrictive laws on the issue, I'm reminded of the "series of tubes" Internet comment.


www.washingtonpost.com
 
2012-07-24 05:58:30 PM  

quiotu: Of all these threads about NRA and gun control, I still haven't seen a very valid argument about why a ban on assault weapons would be so bad. Not all guns, just stuff like the AR-15 this guy was using.

It's the only type of gun procurable in the US that doesn't have a valid reason for a civilian to own one. 'Because I can' and 'it's fun to shoot' don't count, either. It's not like you can argue that lack of guns cause more deaths. Most civilized countries other than the US with strict gun laws have extremely low firearm deaths per capita. The issue clearly isn't more guns, since around 80% of Americans already own one. Hasn't exactly helped the ratio any.

So... someone explain to me again the downside to an AWB, other than one of your toys becomes illegal to own.


The AR-15 is the most popular rifle for hunting/culling coyote and other predators. For a couple of reasons:

*Years of military use have worked out the kinks to make it pretty darn accurate, reliable and durable.

*They are relatively low powered (much less powerful than a typical .30-06 deer rifle, for example), so you don't destroy the pelt or have overpenetration (i.e., shoot clean through the animal, thus increasing the chance of a long, painful death);

*They allow for quick follow-up shots because of the reliable semi automatic design;

*The .223 rounds are relatively light weight, allowing you to carry more ammo comfortably.

*.223 rounds are 1/3 the cost of other popular centerfire rounds.
 
2012-07-24 05:58:43 PM  

misanthropologist: This is an isolated incident. It's certainly nothing systemic in American society today. For proof of that, check out this list of 125 fatal mass shootings between Columbine (April 20, 1999) and Aurora (July 20, 2012). If you want to crunch some numbers, that's a rate of at least 1 fatal mass shooting per 1.3 months in the past 13 years.


It certainly does not rise to the level of the societal menace of voter fraud.

I swear to God, the next time I hear someone complaining about an instance of voter fraud, I'm going to sigh heavily, shake my head slowly, and say condescendingly, "Now is not the time to have this discussion. I'd hate to see something like this politicized."
 
2012-07-24 05:58:46 PM  

Mr. Breeze: CapeFearCadaver: Mr. Breeze: Muta: When is the gun community going to do something to prevent people like Holmes from killing innocent people?

Yeah.

And I'd just like to point out that grenades are already highly illegal but this guy somehow had 30 of them.

I'm sure gun laws would have stopped him from procuring any...

TFA points out the fact that they were homemade grenades.

I know, but homemade or not they are still illegal.


REAL grenades are actually legal to own with a destructive devices license. You are also required to pay for a 200 dollar tax stamp for each device, and account for the whereabouts of it, as well as whether you use it or not.
 
2012-07-24 05:59:32 PM  
I just checked the aurora tea party website, there is the name sideshow bob, I'm not saying it is the same person...

// abc fact checker.
 
2012-07-24 06:05:48 PM  

someonelse: Frank N Stein: With the limited firearms knowledge displayed by the gun grabbers that want to legislate restrictive laws on the issue, I'm reminded of the "series of tubes" Internet comment.

[www.washingtonpost.com image 492x324]


I normally criticize analogies, and I deconstruct them when able.

Your analogy is entirely accurate and appropriate.
 
2012-07-24 06:25:22 PM  

indarwinsshadow: xanadian: Precision Boobery: James Holmes' Goofy Behavior Sign of Psychosis or Faking It, Expert Says

Nope, not The Onion.

That's some fine psychology work there, Lou.

Wasn't he studying neuroscience? I think if anyone knew how to "fake" psychosis, it'd be a neuroscience student.

What would be his motive though? Sane people don't get it into their heads to go into a theater full of people and start shooting. Your logic is flawed.


Some men just want to watch the world burn.
 
2012-07-24 06:30:17 PM  

xanadian: indarwinsshadow: xanadian: Precision Boobery: James Holmes' Goofy Behavior Sign of Psychosis or Faking It, Expert Says

Nope, not The Onion.

That's some fine psychology work there, Lou.

Wasn't he studying neuroscience? I think if anyone knew how to "fake" psychosis, it'd be a neuroscience student.

What would be his motive though? Sane people don't get it into their heads to go into a theater full of people and start shooting. Your logic is flawed.

Some men just want to watch the world burn.


Good quote. Wrong guy though. I'm not advocating we should feel sorry for him, but, if he's sick it's beyond his capacity for him to understand what he did.

Joker (in the movie) was a monster. I don't think this guy is. I think he's a mental patient.
 
2012-07-24 06:30:57 PM  

washington-babylon: Mr. Breeze: CapeFearCadaver: Mr. Breeze: Muta: When is the gun community going to do something to prevent people like Holmes from killing innocent people?

Yeah.

And I'd just like to point out that grenades are already highly illegal but this guy somehow had 30 of them.

I'm sure gun laws would have stopped him from procuring any...

TFA points out the fact that they were homemade grenades.

I know, but homemade or not they are still illegal.

REAL grenades are actually legal to own with a destructive devices license. You are also required to pay for a 200 dollar tax stamp for each device, and account for the whereabouts of it, as well as whether you use it or not.


Well now, i did not know that.
 
2012-07-24 06:40:14 PM  

Mr. Breeze: washington-babylon: Mr. Breeze: CapeFearCadaver: Mr. Breeze: Muta: When is the gun community going to do something to prevent people like Holmes from killing innocent people?

Yeah.

And I'd just like to point out that grenades are already highly illegal but this guy somehow had 30 of them.

I'm sure gun laws would have stopped him from procuring any...

TFA points out the fact that they were homemade grenades.

I know, but homemade or not they are still illegal.

REAL grenades are actually legal to own with a destructive devices license. You are also required to pay for a 200 dollar tax stamp for each device, and account for the whereabouts of it, as well as whether you use it or not.

Well now, i did not know that.


You can own a minigun too.
 
2012-07-24 06:44:12 PM  
you don't do something like that if you aren't psychotic. i would offer that perhaps that's why the term exists. he would be faking it if he used fake bullets. he did not, and as such forfeited his right to exist.

being "actually pyschotic" is not at all some sort of "less evil" or does it somehow excuse him. compassion is not evoked further because "he suffers some psychosis" or whatever. compassion as a just society is always a necessity, as is risk and asset management. he is too much of a risk to allowed to be able to continue to exist, especially considering the drain on societal assets he would be to maintain until he dies a "natural death". it's quite natural to end him now, as he has demonstrated clearly that existing is simply more than he can handle.
 
2012-07-24 06:58:29 PM  
The people in the theater are actually lucky he chose to use a quote-unquote "assault weapon"

Dude put a drum magazine in his rifle causing it to jam. Then he sprayed birdshot around everywhere virtually guaranteeing everybody in the theater would be "hit", (i recall back to the french riots some cops were shot with birdshot and the press was downplaying it saying it was a "b b gun"). So he was able to kill 12 people all together with his AR15 before it jammed, his shotgun and pistol. If he had just used a dependable hunting rifle he probably would have killed alot more people.

I mean unless you're willing to straight up ban ALL weapons, and spend about 20-40 years going house to house rounding up illegal arms from resistors, there is literally nothing you can do stop assclowns that want to do this.

This is literally no amount of gun control that can stop crazies from doing this. Even in Europe. Think about that for a second.
 
2012-07-24 06:59:15 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: All hail Aurora!

Where despite Colorado's CCW laws you can't carry a gun publicly. Thanks to hissy fit panties over their heads lib-tards reacting to gang violence that plagues Aurora (oops, didn't the MSM tell you that?)

Neither did the State Media tell you about the act of bravery in Aurora of an armed man who capped a violent perp's as, killed him dead after he came gunning for the people in a church and only killed two before he was dropped like a stone.

But you can't publicly carry in Aurora, you just said so.

That's right, but off-duty police can, and you're not police so your options are to run and cower. Because Aurora doesn't trust you with the 2nd Amendment.

When the sign says no guns allowed, that means only the bad guys will have guns


Consider suicide sooner rather than later.
 
2012-07-24 08:05:10 PM  

kvinesknows: babygoat: doubled99: It's insane. It's just like anyone can just walk up and buy ALL the gasoline they want.

kvinesknows: If we just banned the sale of gasoline we would be much better off.

Frank N Stein: The fact is there needs to be reasonable regulations on purchasing gasoline. The founding fathers had no way of knowing that just anyone can walk to a gas station and purchase 10 gallons of gas to fill their high capacity assault can.

Okay, who issued this retarded talking point?

sideshow bob of course


Okay, since this guy hasn't said a word I assume you mean the Simpsons character? I don't get it.
 
2012-07-24 08:51:59 PM  

nerdoverlord: you don't do something like that if you aren't psychotic. i would offer that perhaps that's why the term exists. he would be faking it if he used fake bullets. he did not, and as such forfeited his right to exist.

being "actually pyschotic" is not at all some sort of "less evil" or does it somehow excuse him. compassion is not evoked further because "he suffers some psychosis" or whatever. compassion as a just society is always a necessity, as is risk and asset management. he is too much of a risk to allowed to be able to continue to exist, especially considering the drain on societal assets he would be to maintain until he dies a "natural death". it's quite natural to end him now, as he has demonstrated clearly that existing is simply more than he can handle.


Exactly.

Even if the guy is nuts (which he must be at some level to pull off something like this), that shouldn't give him any slack.

Oh wait... "He doesn't realize what he did was wrong." Explain to me how that's better? shiat, I hear that and I think, "Well fark... if that's the case we'd better kill his ass right the fark now. Like this afternoon. Bailiff! Take him out in the alley and put a round in him. Yeah, then dump his ass in the trash. Use the one behind the 31-Flavors because it gets picked up tomorrow morning. OK, everybody can go home now, show's over."

What do you do with a rabid dog? You put it down. Nut-jobs like this shouldn't be any different.
 
2012-07-24 09:03:29 PM  

Giltric: stonicus: Giltric: quiotu: Of all these

A Mosin-Nagant?

[www.mikescampfire.com image 776x600]


Dude, that's a SMLE, not a mosin.
 
2012-07-24 09:07:39 PM  

IAMTHEINTARWEBS: Giltric: stonicus: Giltric: quiotu: Of all these

A Mosin-Nagant?

[www.mikescampfire.com image 776x600]

Dude, that's a SMLE, not a mosin.


The two on the left match my mosin (Except maybe shorter). Those could be carbines
 
2012-07-24 09:23:29 PM  

Jake Havechek: As for the "1000s" of rounds, a kill count of 12 is pretty piss poor.

/reporters are alarmist idiots


Yep, worry when that kill count is with a single six-shooter.
 
2012-07-24 09:41:45 PM  

IAMTHEINTARWEBS: Giltric: stonicus: Giltric: quiotu: Of all these

A Mosin-Nagant?

[www.mikescampfire.com image 776x600]

Dude, that's a SMLE, not a mosin.


All muskets look alike.
 
2012-07-24 10:20:56 PM  

Dimensio: quiotu: Of all these threads about NRA and gun control, I still haven't seen a very valid argument about why a ban on assault weapons would be so bad. Not all guns, just stuff like the AR-15 this guy was using.

It's the only type of gun procurable in the US that doesn't have a valid reason for a civilian to own one. 'Because I can' and 'it's fun to shoot' don't count, either. It's not like you can argue that lack of guns cause more deaths. Most civilized countries other than the US with strict gun laws have extremely low firearm deaths per capita. The issue clearly isn't more guns, since around 80% of Americans already own one. Hasn't exactly helped the ratio any.

So... someone explain to me again the downside to an AWB, other than one of your toys becomes illegal to own.

The AR-15 platform is popular amongst hunters and target shooters. Your claim that no valid reason exists to own one is therefore a lie.

Please explain why you should be considered credible following your demonstrable use of lies.


Please explain the above, then. Why is the AR-15 popular with target shooters and hunters. Explain how it is better suited to either.
 
2012-07-24 10:24:59 PM  

ChuDogg:
This is literally no amount of gun control that can stop crazies from doing this. Even in Europe. Think about that for a second.


So Vote Republican!
 
2012-07-24 11:29:25 PM  
Hell, the last time I bought loaded ammo, I bought around 10,000 rounds. Freight is a biatch unless you buy in large quantities. That was for a few buddies, but I still bought 10,000 rounds. It was .22 mag also. You can burn through that real fast.

Assault weapons account for 4% of firearm murders.

Muta: When is the gun community going to do something to prevent people like Holmes from killing innocent people?


When the stop making places like this firearm free zones.
 
2012-07-24 11:51:27 PM  

Jake Havechek: However, the cops got around his booby traps in 24 hours, so they weren't as brilliant as the moron thought they were.


For the 100th time, he TOLD THE POLICE ABOUT THEM.
 
2012-07-25 12:02:09 AM  
The grenades were wired in the kitchen to a control box, which bomb technicians used a robot to disable by squirting water on it.

I assume they're talking about a high pressure/high velocity water jet typically used for bomb disposal, as opposed to just, y'know, shorting the thing out.
 
2012-07-25 12:11:23 AM  

raygundan: probesport: FTA: The grenades were wired to a control box in the kitchen, which bomb technicians disabled with the help of a remote-controlled robot that squirted water on it.

Sounds sophisticated.

The "journalist" makes it sound like a squirtgun. Which I suppose it is, in a way-- but it's more likely that they were using one of the explosively-driven shaped-charge water projectile devices. This one, for example, is placed under cars, and then drives the water hard enough to punch through the car and shove the explosive device through the roof.

Now that I think about it, any definition of "squirtgun" that includes devices that can punch water straight through a car is cool with me. Carry on.


Oh, you beat me to it. Carry on, then.
 
2012-07-25 12:35:41 AM  

griffer: Considering this guy was in med school, I am surprised no one has blamed the banks yet.

This stuff cost some serious coin.

I bet he used credit cards to by all this stuff.

Banks should monitor what their loaned money is being spent on.

2011, the banks did it.
2012, the banks did it.


Just maybe he was using the $26k he was getting from the government.
 
2012-07-25 12:40:59 AM  

jmr61: Clemkadidlefark: All hail Aurora!

Where despite Colorado's CCW laws you can't carry a gun publicly. Thanks to hissy fit panties over their heads lib-tards reacting to gang violence that plagues Aurora (oops, didn't the MSM tell you that?)

Neither did the State Media tell you about the act of bravery in Aurora of an armed man who capped a violent perp's as, killed him dead after he came gunning for the people in a church and only killed two before he was dropped like a stone.

But you can't publicly carry in Aurora, you just said so.

That's right, but off-duty police can, and you're not police so your options are to run and cower. Because Aurora doesn't trust you with the 2nd Amendment.

When the sign says no guns allowed, that means only the bad guys will have guns

Consider suicide sooner rather than later.


Um, why? What he/she said was absolutely correct. Ask Chicago how their strict gun laws are working.
 
2012-07-25 01:13:40 AM  
Farking Nuts, or not Farking Nuts...who cares?

Fry the bastard. Just tell him it's naptime...

The concept of not killing a multiple murderer because it might not be fair because he's looney-tunes is ridiculous. And no decades-long appeal process either.

I say wire his seat now to cook the bastard when he appears in court Monday.

Let the healing begin!
 
2012-07-25 02:42:38 AM  

Giltric: That made sense in Hamilton's time because it was actually possible. That isn't possible anymore. Do you know what it would take for the civilian population to compete with the military? Do you know what we'd have to be able to be allowed to own, to even have a miniscule chance in hell of competeing with the military?

A Mosin-Nagant?


That's actually an Enfield. The Russians may have left a lot of stuff behind when they kicked their asses for a few decades there, but before that it was the British.

Those guys use whatever they have, and when the invaders change, they apparently tear up some railroad track and have blacksmiths forge new barrels in whatever caliber they can capture from the new enemy. That is a hundred-year-old gun, and its probably been in active resistance fighting for most of that time. Likely seen at least a couple cartridge conversions over the generations, as I doubt they are still finding , much less firing, archaic .303 rounds.
 
2012-07-25 03:33:27 AM  

WizardofToast: f they're able to react fast enough to the realization of "Oh shiat he has armor" since people generally aim for the torso and vitals because it has bigger mass


That's why you practice the Mozambique Drill until it becomes reflexive... because when the shiat really hits the fan, you're going to be running on autopilot. If you're trained, you fall back on your training. If you aren't, you panic and act erratically.
 
2012-07-25 09:33:49 AM  
I thought the nutjob was toting a remington 870...
So why is the video showing us a mossberg 500?

Mossberg comes with a larger magazine tube than remington, so the kid didn't do great research in terms of mass murder potential, did he?

/phd student in neuroscience
//using electronics and circuitry
///at a medical school
//my arsenal makes his 4-gun kit look a starter set
/been answering a lot of unpleasant questions this week
 
2012-07-25 12:19:30 PM  

CheapEngineer: Please explain the above, then. Why is the AR-15 popular with target shooters and hunters. Explain how it is better suited to either.


Lightweight, high velocity with low recoil, effective for targets and small/medium game at a range of 500yds+, ability to carry many cartridges in a small pack, modular platform, cheap accessories, very easy to customize with minimal or no gunsmithing skills, widespread adoption means you can get training and assistance from a variety of sources at low or no cost.

The AR platform is pretty much ideal as a starter rifle because even a beginner can take it from a .22lr up to a .50bmg in about 30 seconds to suit their hunting/sport needs.
 
2012-07-25 12:53:36 PM  

Mugato: Just admit that you want all those toys because you like to shoot but don't pretend you could ever be any real threat to the US armed forces.


You might want to look in to the shooting qualifications for the military... I've had multiple ex-mil friends tell me how laughably inadequate the training is. As in, never touched a gun, spent an afternoon discussing guns, was handed one gun and a few magazines, fired a few shots at a man-sized target, and qualified. To learn how to ACTUALLY shoot they had to use their free time and their own money to go to ranges and practice. Meanwhile, last saturday I went to a local range and dumped probably around 500-700 rds through a few different guns, shooting at things like bottles, bottle caps, and empty shotgun shells.

So can I outshoot police and military/ex-mil? Yeah, I do that at the range all the time - to the point where people see how i'm shooting and ask if I'm part of some LEO/mil group. (A little bit ago some guy that runs a business teaching tactical training said I shoot like I the SWAT guys he works with, which I'll take as a genuine compliment since he didn't pitch any classes at me). Anybody who treats it like a real hobby and practices regularly should be able to outshoot people that only shoot for qualifiers once or twice a year.

Could I outshoot current soldiers that have just done 2 tours in an active warzone? Maybe not, but I shoot for fun, while their lives depend on their skills.
 
2012-07-25 01:02:19 PM  

Muta: When is the gun community going to do something to prevent people like Holmes from killing innocent people?


The same time farmers do something to prevent fertilizer from being used in another bombing like Oklahoma City.

/blame everyone but the killer
 
2012-07-25 02:29:02 PM  
Did everyone miss the free publicity for novafirearms.com?

/well?
 
2012-07-25 05:09:30 PM  

Al_Ed: Ex-f*cking-actly! Close your eyes and let me shoot you with a single shot bolt action hunting rifle and then with a M4 semi-automatic assault rifle with optics, laser sight, folding stock, bayonet, and fuzzy dice hanging off the ventilated foregrip.

Which one hurts or kills more readily?


There's no such thing as a "M4 semi-automatic assault rifle". You can have an M4 assault rifle . . . or a semi-automatic carbine that's design to look like an M4 but isn't. Technically you can't have a "semi-automatic assault rifle", unless you have a broken assault rifle that will only fire in semi automatic mode.
 
2012-07-25 05:21:26 PM  
This is why I purchase renter's insurance.
 
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