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2012-07-24 04:37:51 PM

redmid17: HotWingConspiracy: redmid17: HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: Obviously, the objectionable element is the firearm; had mass homicides been committed with other implements, they would have been acceptable.

We generally frown on explosives as well.

I'm interested in all of the sword massacres that occur though.

How about a kitchen knife?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre

Osaka...that's in Iowa, right? It has to be America, because the root cause of massacres is our poor mental health system.

Nah we expanded it to Japan and China too cause they own so much of America.


Money well spent!
 
2012-07-24 04:40:07 PM
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2012-07-24 04:45:04 PM

misanthropologist: TheJoe03: Are people here really implying that guns should be banned because of this assclown? I guess some people are too blind to see the ramifications of such an action. Maybe they think a law would make guns disappear or something or perhaps they trust in people so much they assume no one would dare sell a gun if they were illegal. Maybe they also believe criminals and dangerous people would stop using guns if they become illegal.

Yes, of course people are really implying that guns should be banned because of this - and only this - assclown. This is an isolated incident. It's certainly nothing systemic in American society today. For proof of that, check out this list of 125 fatal mass shootings between Columbine (April 20, 1999) and Aurora (July 20, 2012). If you want to crunch some numbers, that's a rate of at least 1 fatal mass shooting per 1.3 months in the past 13 years.


That list includes normal crimes...not necessarily mass shootings like the theatre. For instance they list the Newark schoolyard shooting from 8/4/07 which was a robbery where 6 men armed with guns and machetes attempted to rob a group of 4 kids.

The one for 7/22/07 in Philly was an argument inside a bar where a group of people got into an argument and one of the people went out and got their gun and shot some of the people they were arguing with.

Arguments are one of the most common causes of violence...people end up stabbed, beaten and shot. I doubt very much that any sort of legislation would have prevented either of those situations from happening....the robbers in newark were already armed with a machete......

In fact the common link from those 2 situations is that thier was one goup of people that had no respect for the other.

I could proably go through the link and whittle it down even more, but since the first 2 I looked at were not shooting sprees or mass shootings.....just everyday lack of respect for fellow man.....I probably won't bother.
 
2012-07-24 04:49:29 PM

vegasj: Raharu: Ah, the guy with theory that the President is secretly working the black panthers is ordering thousands of rounds. Do you get free shipping on your tinfoil hats? Is it more expensive to buy the hats pre-made, or do you make them yourself to keep your money out of the hands of big tinfoil?

How is that relevant to this thread? Don't be a douchebag... stay on topic or I'll cock slap you over the 'net


I'm sorry I thought we were talking about people with more weapons and ammo then sanity in this thread.
 
2012-07-24 04:52:33 PM

griffer: OnlyM3: The grenades were wired to a control box in the kitchen, which bomb technicians disabled with the help of a remote-controlled robot that squirted water on it.
My farking heroes. A (multi?)million dollar robot to do the job of a super-soaker.

Can you curve the stream around corners?


geektyrant.com

This individual is capable.
 
2012-07-24 04:53:52 PM
Not shocked my gunkata reference was picked up in here.
 
2012-07-24 05:02:11 PM
His James name Holmes is James not Holmes sideshow James bob Holmes. It James never Holmes was James sideshow Holmes bob James, and Holmes it James will Holmes never James be Holmes sideshow James bob Holmes.

For crying out loud, he's not a kid in *timeout*
/James Holmes
 
2012-07-24 05:20:17 PM
Little Jimmy's been VERY, VERY naughty.

Fark him, don't use his name.

He doesn't deserve infamy.
 
2012-07-24 05:37:40 PM

probesport: FTA: The grenades were wired to a control box in the kitchen, which bomb technicians disabled with the help of a remote-controlled robot that squirted water on it.

Sounds sophisticated.


The "journalist" makes it sound like a squirtgun. Which I suppose it is, in a way-- but it's more likely that they were using one of the explosively-driven shaped-charge water projectile devices. This one, for example, is placed under cars, and then drives the water hard enough to punch through the car and shove the explosive device through the roof.

Now that I think about it, any definition of "squirtgun" that includes devices that can punch water straight through a car is cool with me. Carry on.
 
2012-07-24 05:52:34 PM

Frank N Stein: With the limited firearms knowledge displayed by the gun grabbers that want to legislate restrictive laws on the issue, I'm reminded of the "series of tubes" Internet comment.


www.washingtonpost.com
 
2012-07-24 05:58:30 PM

quiotu: Of all these threads about NRA and gun control, I still haven't seen a very valid argument about why a ban on assault weapons would be so bad. Not all guns, just stuff like the AR-15 this guy was using.

It's the only type of gun procurable in the US that doesn't have a valid reason for a civilian to own one. 'Because I can' and 'it's fun to shoot' don't count, either. It's not like you can argue that lack of guns cause more deaths. Most civilized countries other than the US with strict gun laws have extremely low firearm deaths per capita. The issue clearly isn't more guns, since around 80% of Americans already own one. Hasn't exactly helped the ratio any.

So... someone explain to me again the downside to an AWB, other than one of your toys becomes illegal to own.


The AR-15 is the most popular rifle for hunting/culling coyote and other predators. For a couple of reasons:

*Years of military use have worked out the kinks to make it pretty darn accurate, reliable and durable.

*They are relatively low powered (much less powerful than a typical .30-06 deer rifle, for example), so you don't destroy the pelt or have overpenetration (i.e., shoot clean through the animal, thus increasing the chance of a long, painful death);

*They allow for quick follow-up shots because of the reliable semi automatic design;

*The .223 rounds are relatively light weight, allowing you to carry more ammo comfortably.

*.223 rounds are 1/3 the cost of other popular centerfire rounds.
 
2012-07-24 05:58:43 PM

misanthropologist: This is an isolated incident. It's certainly nothing systemic in American society today. For proof of that, check out this list of 125 fatal mass shootings between Columbine (April 20, 1999) and Aurora (July 20, 2012). If you want to crunch some numbers, that's a rate of at least 1 fatal mass shooting per 1.3 months in the past 13 years.


It certainly does not rise to the level of the societal menace of voter fraud.

I swear to God, the next time I hear someone complaining about an instance of voter fraud, I'm going to sigh heavily, shake my head slowly, and say condescendingly, "Now is not the time to have this discussion. I'd hate to see something like this politicized."
 
2012-07-24 05:58:46 PM

Mr. Breeze: CapeFearCadaver: Mr. Breeze: Muta: When is the gun community going to do something to prevent people like Holmes from killing innocent people?

Yeah.

And I'd just like to point out that grenades are already highly illegal but this guy somehow had 30 of them.

I'm sure gun laws would have stopped him from procuring any...

TFA points out the fact that they were homemade grenades.

I know, but homemade or not they are still illegal.


REAL grenades are actually legal to own with a destructive devices license. You are also required to pay for a 200 dollar tax stamp for each device, and account for the whereabouts of it, as well as whether you use it or not.
 
2012-07-24 05:59:32 PM
I just checked the aurora tea party website, there is the name sideshow bob, I'm not saying it is the same person...

// abc fact checker.
 
2012-07-24 06:05:48 PM

someonelse: Frank N Stein: With the limited firearms knowledge displayed by the gun grabbers that want to legislate restrictive laws on the issue, I'm reminded of the "series of tubes" Internet comment.

[www.washingtonpost.com image 492x324]


I normally criticize analogies, and I deconstruct them when able.

Your analogy is entirely accurate and appropriate.
 
2012-07-24 06:25:22 PM

indarwinsshadow: xanadian: Precision Boobery: James Holmes' Goofy Behavior Sign of Psychosis or Faking It, Expert Says

Nope, not The Onion.

That's some fine psychology work there, Lou.

Wasn't he studying neuroscience? I think if anyone knew how to "fake" psychosis, it'd be a neuroscience student.

What would be his motive though? Sane people don't get it into their heads to go into a theater full of people and start shooting. Your logic is flawed.


Some men just want to watch the world burn.
 
2012-07-24 06:30:17 PM

xanadian: indarwinsshadow: xanadian: Precision Boobery: James Holmes' Goofy Behavior Sign of Psychosis or Faking It, Expert Says

Nope, not The Onion.

That's some fine psychology work there, Lou.

Wasn't he studying neuroscience? I think if anyone knew how to "fake" psychosis, it'd be a neuroscience student.

What would be his motive though? Sane people don't get it into their heads to go into a theater full of people and start shooting. Your logic is flawed.

Some men just want to watch the world burn.


Good quote. Wrong guy though. I'm not advocating we should feel sorry for him, but, if he's sick it's beyond his capacity for him to understand what he did.

Joker (in the movie) was a monster. I don't think this guy is. I think he's a mental patient.
 
2012-07-24 06:30:57 PM

washington-babylon: Mr. Breeze: CapeFearCadaver: Mr. Breeze: Muta: When is the gun community going to do something to prevent people like Holmes from killing innocent people?

Yeah.

And I'd just like to point out that grenades are already highly illegal but this guy somehow had 30 of them.

I'm sure gun laws would have stopped him from procuring any...

TFA points out the fact that they were homemade grenades.

I know, but homemade or not they are still illegal.

REAL grenades are actually legal to own with a destructive devices license. You are also required to pay for a 200 dollar tax stamp for each device, and account for the whereabouts of it, as well as whether you use it or not.


Well now, i did not know that.
 
2012-07-24 06:40:14 PM

Mr. Breeze: washington-babylon: Mr. Breeze: CapeFearCadaver: Mr. Breeze: Muta: When is the gun community going to do something to prevent people like Holmes from killing innocent people?

Yeah.

And I'd just like to point out that grenades are already highly illegal but this guy somehow had 30 of them.

I'm sure gun laws would have stopped him from procuring any...

TFA points out the fact that they were homemade grenades.

I know, but homemade or not they are still illegal.

REAL grenades are actually legal to own with a destructive devices license. You are also required to pay for a 200 dollar tax stamp for each device, and account for the whereabouts of it, as well as whether you use it or not.

Well now, i did not know that.


You can own a minigun too.
 
2012-07-24 06:44:12 PM
you don't do something like that if you aren't psychotic. i would offer that perhaps that's why the term exists. he would be faking it if he used fake bullets. he did not, and as such forfeited his right to exist.

being "actually pyschotic" is not at all some sort of "less evil" or does it somehow excuse him. compassion is not evoked further because "he suffers some psychosis" or whatever. compassion as a just society is always a necessity, as is risk and asset management. he is too much of a risk to allowed to be able to continue to exist, especially considering the drain on societal assets he would be to maintain until he dies a "natural death". it's quite natural to end him now, as he has demonstrated clearly that existing is simply more than he can handle.
 
2012-07-24 06:58:29 PM
The people in the theater are actually lucky he chose to use a quote-unquote "assault weapon"

Dude put a drum magazine in his rifle causing it to jam. Then he sprayed birdshot around everywhere virtually guaranteeing everybody in the theater would be "hit", (i recall back to the french riots some cops were shot with birdshot and the press was downplaying it saying it was a "b b gun"). So he was able to kill 12 people all together with his AR15 before it jammed, his shotgun and pistol. If he had just used a dependable hunting rifle he probably would have killed alot more people.

I mean unless you're willing to straight up ban ALL weapons, and spend about 20-40 years going house to house rounding up illegal arms from resistors, there is literally nothing you can do stop assclowns that want to do this.

This is literally no amount of gun control that can stop crazies from doing this. Even in Europe. Think about that for a second.
 
2012-07-24 06:59:15 PM

Clemkadidlefark: All hail Aurora!

Where despite Colorado's CCW laws you can't carry a gun publicly. Thanks to hissy fit panties over their heads lib-tards reacting to gang violence that plagues Aurora (oops, didn't the MSM tell you that?)

Neither did the State Media tell you about the act of bravery in Aurora of an armed man who capped a violent perp's as, killed him dead after he came gunning for the people in a church and only killed two before he was dropped like a stone.

But you can't publicly carry in Aurora, you just said so.

That's right, but off-duty police can, and you're not police so your options are to run and cower. Because Aurora doesn't trust you with the 2nd Amendment.

When the sign says no guns allowed, that means only the bad guys will have guns




Consider suicide sooner rather than later.
 
2012-07-24 08:05:10 PM

kvinesknows: babygoat: doubled99: It's insane. It's just like anyone can just walk up and buy ALL the gasoline they want.

kvinesknows: If we just banned the sale of gasoline we would be much better off.

Frank N Stein: The fact is there needs to be reasonable regulations on purchasing gasoline. The founding fathers had no way of knowing that just anyone can walk to a gas station and purchase 10 gallons of gas to fill their high capacity assault can.

Okay, who issued this retarded talking point?

sideshow bob of course


Okay, since this guy hasn't said a word I assume you mean the Simpsons character? I don't get it.
 
2012-07-24 08:51:59 PM

nerdoverlord: you don't do something like that if you aren't psychotic. i would offer that perhaps that's why the term exists. he would be faking it if he used fake bullets. he did not, and as such forfeited his right to exist.

being "actually pyschotic" is not at all some sort of "less evil" or does it somehow excuse him. compassion is not evoked further because "he suffers some psychosis" or whatever. compassion as a just society is always a necessity, as is risk and asset management. he is too much of a risk to allowed to be able to continue to exist, especially considering the drain on societal assets he would be to maintain until he dies a "natural death". it's quite natural to end him now, as he has demonstrated clearly that existing is simply more than he can handle.


Exactly.

Even if the guy is nuts (which he must be at some level to pull off something like this), that shouldn't give him any slack.

Oh wait... "He doesn't realize what he did was wrong." Explain to me how that's better? shiat, I hear that and I think, "Well fark... if that's the case we'd better kill his ass right the fark now. Like this afternoon. Bailiff! Take him out in the alley and put a round in him. Yeah, then dump his ass in the trash. Use the one behind the 31-Flavors because it gets picked up tomorrow morning. OK, everybody can go home now, show's over."

What do you do with a rabid dog? You put it down. Nut-jobs like this shouldn't be any different.
 
2012-07-24 09:03:29 PM

Giltric: stonicus: Giltric: quiotu: Of all these

A Mosin-Nagant?

[www.mikescampfire.com image 776x600]


Dude, that's a SMLE, not a mosin.
 
2012-07-24 09:07:39 PM

IAMTHEINTARWEBS: Giltric: stonicus: Giltric: quiotu: Of all these

A Mosin-Nagant?

[www.mikescampfire.com image 776x600]

Dude, that's a SMLE, not a mosin.


The two on the left match my mosin (Except maybe shorter). Those could be carbines
 
2012-07-24 09:23:29 PM

Jake Havechek: As for the "1000s" of rounds, a kill count of 12 is pretty piss poor.

/reporters are alarmist idiots


Yep, worry when that kill count is with a single six-shooter.
 
2012-07-24 09:41:45 PM

IAMTHEINTARWEBS: Giltric: stonicus: Giltric: quiotu: Of all these

A Mosin-Nagant?

[www.mikescampfire.com image 776x600]

Dude, that's a SMLE, not a mosin.


All muskets look alike.
 
2012-07-24 10:20:56 PM

Dimensio: quiotu: Of all these threads about NRA and gun control, I still haven't seen a very valid argument about why a ban on assault weapons would be so bad. Not all guns, just stuff like the AR-15 this guy was using.

It's the only type of gun procurable in the US that doesn't have a valid reason for a civilian to own one. 'Because I can' and 'it's fun to shoot' don't count, either. It's not like you can argue that lack of guns cause more deaths. Most civilized countries other than the US with strict gun laws have extremely low firearm deaths per capita. The issue clearly isn't more guns, since around 80% of Americans already own one. Hasn't exactly helped the ratio any.

So... someone explain to me again the downside to an AWB, other than one of your toys becomes illegal to own.

The AR-15 platform is popular amongst hunters and target shooters. Your claim that no valid reason exists to own one is therefore a lie.

Please explain why you should be considered credible following your demonstrable use of lies.


Please explain the above, then. Why is the AR-15 popular with target shooters and hunters. Explain how it is better suited to either.
 
2012-07-24 10:24:59 PM

ChuDogg:
This is literally no amount of gun control that can stop crazies from doing this. Even in Europe. Think about that for a second.


So Vote Republican!
 
2012-07-24 11:29:25 PM
Hell, the last time I bought loaded ammo, I bought around 10,000 rounds. Freight is a biatch unless you buy in large quantities. That was for a few buddies, but I still bought 10,000 rounds. It was .22 mag also. You can burn through that real fast.

Assault weapons account for 4% of firearm murders.

Muta: When is the gun community going to do something to prevent people like Holmes from killing innocent people?


When the stop making places like this firearm free zones.
 
2012-07-24 11:51:27 PM

Jake Havechek: However, the cops got around his booby traps in 24 hours, so they weren't as brilliant as the moron thought they were.


For the 100th time, he TOLD THE POLICE ABOUT THEM.
 
2012-07-25 12:02:09 AM
The grenades were wired in the kitchen to a control box, which bomb technicians used a robot to disable by squirting water on it.

I assume they're talking about a high pressure/high velocity water jet typically used for bomb disposal, as opposed to just, y'know, shorting the thing out.
 
2012-07-25 12:11:23 AM

raygundan: probesport: FTA: The grenades were wired to a control box in the kitchen, which bomb technicians disabled with the help of a remote-controlled robot that squirted water on it.

Sounds sophisticated.

The "journalist" makes it sound like a squirtgun. Which I suppose it is, in a way-- but it's more likely that they were using one of the explosively-driven shaped-charge water projectile devices. This one, for example, is placed under cars, and then drives the water hard enough to punch through the car and shove the explosive device through the roof.

Now that I think about it, any definition of "squirtgun" that includes devices that can punch water straight through a car is cool with me. Carry on.


Oh, you beat me to it. Carry on, then.
 
2012-07-25 12:35:41 AM

griffer: Considering this guy was in med school, I am surprised no one has blamed the banks yet.

This stuff cost some serious coin.

I bet he used credit cards to by all this stuff.

Banks should monitor what their loaned money is being spent on.

2011, the banks did it.
2012, the banks did it.


Just maybe he was using the $26k he was getting from the government.
 
2012-07-25 12:40:59 AM

jmr61: Clemkadidlefark: All hail Aurora!

Where despite Colorado's CCW laws you can't carry a gun publicly. Thanks to hissy fit panties over their heads lib-tards reacting to gang violence that plagues Aurora (oops, didn't the MSM tell you that?)

Neither did the State Media tell you about the act of bravery in Aurora of an armed man who capped a violent perp's as, killed him dead after he came gunning for the people in a church and only killed two before he was dropped like a stone.

But you can't publicly carry in Aurora, you just said so.

That's right, but off-duty police can, and you're not police so your options are to run and cower. Because Aurora doesn't trust you with the 2nd Amendment.

When the sign says no guns allowed, that means only the bad guys will have guns



Consider suicide sooner rather than later.


Um, why? What he/she said was absolutely correct. Ask Chicago how their strict gun laws are working.
 
2012-07-25 01:13:40 AM
Farking Nuts, or not Farking Nuts...who cares?

Fry the bastard. Just tell him it's naptime...

The concept of not killing a multiple murderer because it might not be fair because he's looney-tunes is ridiculous. And no decades-long appeal process either.

I say wire his seat now to cook the bastard when he appears in court Monday.

Let the healing begin!
 
2012-07-25 02:42:38 AM

Giltric: That made sense in Hamilton's time because it was actually possible. That isn't possible anymore. Do you know what it would take for the civilian population to compete with the military? Do you know what we'd have to be able to be allowed to own, to even have a miniscule chance in hell of competeing with the military?

A Mosin-Nagant?


That's actually an Enfield. The Russians may have left a lot of stuff behind when they kicked their asses for a few decades there, but before that it was the British.

Those guys use whatever they have, and when the invaders change, they apparently tear up some railroad track and have blacksmiths forge new barrels in whatever caliber they can capture from the new enemy. That is a hundred-year-old gun, and its probably been in active resistance fighting for most of that time. Likely seen at least a couple cartridge conversions over the generations, as I doubt they are still finding , much less firing, archaic .303 rounds.
 
2012-07-25 03:33:27 AM

WizardofToast: f they're able to react fast enough to the realization of "Oh shiat he has armor" since people generally aim for the torso and vitals because it has bigger mass


That's why you practice the Mozambique Drill until it becomes reflexive... because when the shiat really hits the fan, you're going to be running on autopilot. If you're trained, you fall back on your training. If you aren't, you panic and act erratically.
 
2012-07-25 09:33:49 AM
I thought the nutjob was toting a remington 870...
So why is the video showing us a mossberg 500?

Mossberg comes with a larger magazine tube than remington, so the kid didn't do great research in terms of mass murder potential, did he?

/phd student in neuroscience
//using electronics and circuitry
///at a medical school
//my arsenal makes his 4-gun kit look a starter set
/been answering a lot of unpleasant questions this week
 
2012-07-25 12:19:30 PM

CheapEngineer: Please explain the above, then. Why is the AR-15 popular with target shooters and hunters. Explain how it is better suited to either.


Lightweight, high velocity with low recoil, effective for targets and small/medium game at a range of 500yds+, ability to carry many cartridges in a small pack, modular platform, cheap accessories, very easy to customize with minimal or no gunsmithing skills, widespread adoption means you can get training and assistance from a variety of sources at low or no cost.

The AR platform is pretty much ideal as a starter rifle because even a beginner can take it from a .22lr up to a .50bmg in about 30 seconds to suit their hunting/sport needs.
 
2012-07-25 12:53:36 PM

Mugato: Just admit that you want all those toys because you like to shoot but don't pretend you could ever be any real threat to the US armed forces.


You might want to look in to the shooting qualifications for the military... I've had multiple ex-mil friends tell me how laughably inadequate the training is. As in, never touched a gun, spent an afternoon discussing guns, was handed one gun and a few magazines, fired a few shots at a man-sized target, and qualified. To learn how to ACTUALLY shoot they had to use their free time and their own money to go to ranges and practice. Meanwhile, last saturday I went to a local range and dumped probably around 500-700 rds through a few different guns, shooting at things like bottles, bottle caps, and empty shotgun shells.

So can I outshoot police and military/ex-mil? Yeah, I do that at the range all the time - to the point where people see how i'm shooting and ask if I'm part of some LEO/mil group. (A little bit ago some guy that runs a business teaching tactical training said I shoot like I the SWAT guys he works with, which I'll take as a genuine compliment since he didn't pitch any classes at me). Anybody who treats it like a real hobby and practices regularly should be able to outshoot people that only shoot for qualifiers once or twice a year.

Could I outshoot current soldiers that have just done 2 tours in an active warzone? Maybe not, but I shoot for fun, while their lives depend on their skills.
 
2012-07-25 01:02:19 PM

Muta: When is the gun community going to do something to prevent people like Holmes from killing innocent people?


The same time farmers do something to prevent fertilizer from being used in another bombing like Oklahoma City.

/blame everyone but the killer
 
2012-07-25 02:29:02 PM
Did everyone miss the free publicity for novafirearms.com?

/well?
 
2012-07-25 05:09:30 PM

Al_Ed: Ex-f*cking-actly! Close your eyes and let me shoot you with a single shot bolt action hunting rifle and then with a M4 semi-automatic assault rifle with optics, laser sight, folding stock, bayonet, and fuzzy dice hanging off the ventilated foregrip.

Which one hurts or kills more readily?


There's no such thing as a "M4 semi-automatic assault rifle". You can have an M4 assault rifle . . . or a semi-automatic carbine that's design to look like an M4 but isn't. Technically you can't have a "semi-automatic assault rifle", unless you have a broken assault rifle that will only fire in semi automatic mode.
 
2012-07-25 05:21:26 PM
This is why I purchase renter's insurance.
 
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