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(NPR)   How do you buy 1.8 submarines?   (npr.org) divider line 79
    More: Interesting, Budgetary Assessments, Pratt & Whitney, austerities, carbon sequestration, House Armed Services Committee, Buck McKeon  
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2012-07-24 10:05:52 AM  
You buy one complete boat and fund partial construction of the other, with completion funds to follow or it waits to be completed until needed. I'm sorry, was that a serious question?
 
2012-07-24 10:12:38 AM  
With a check?
 
2012-07-24 10:55:35 AM  

NewportBarGuy: You buy one complete boat and fund partial construction of the other, with completion funds to follow or it waits to be completed until needed. I'm sorry, was that a serious question?


Or, you buy two and fund 80% of the initial life cycle costs with the expectation that'll be covered later.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-07-24 11:11:26 AM  
You buy two submarines over the course of 14.2 months. It's not like you get submarines at Guns R Us, they're built to order.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-07-24 11:18:07 AM  
You build three submarines to 60% complete and tell Congress the money will have been wasted if another $1.2 billion is not appropriated.
 
2012-07-24 11:33:22 AM  
Use extra screen doors.
 
2012-07-24 11:45:03 AM  
Just make them a little smaller and institute height restrictions on submarine crewmembers.
 
2012-07-24 11:54:08 AM  
Make sure you buy the outside bits first.
 
2012-07-24 12:04:56 PM  
Yellow ones don't count as a full submarine.
 
2012-07-24 12:05:07 PM  

NewportBarGuy: You buy one complete boat and fund partial construction of the other, with completion funds to follow or it waits to be completed until needed. I'm sorry, was that a serious question?


Remember that joke about military intelligence?
 
2012-07-24 12:06:10 PM  
You only carry enough thermonuclear missiles to destroy the world 5.7 times.
 
2012-07-24 12:06:31 PM  
1.8 pings only.
 
2012-07-24 12:06:31 PM  
Actually, he wants the White House to explain how it will manage defense cuts, hoping the administration will end up with the blame for job losses that many say will result from a smaller military. McKeon invited defense contractors to testify before Congress this past week to share their anxieties over the coming sequestration cuts.

I'm confused. I've been assured by Republicans on multiple occasions that government spending doesn't create jobs. So how can cutting military spending cause layoffs?
 
2012-07-24 12:07:02 PM  
I think the problem is trying to save money while not throwing out everything already invested in building the infrastructure these weapons need.
 
2012-07-24 12:09:37 PM  
Buy two and cut the additional money from another program?
 
2012-07-24 12:09:54 PM  
"Take for example your Virginia-class submarine [that] we were planning to buy two per year," Harrison says, "if we're planning to cut back by 10 percent, well you can't buy 1.8 subs."

Reductio ad absurdum - how does it work?
If the good folks at the Pentagon can't figure out a way to cut 10% off their budget I suggest we raise the amount to be cut by 1% every day until they figure it out. And to show that I'm willing to reach across the aisle to our conservative friends, let's do it retroactively starting at the beginning of July. Tick tock, baby killers.
 
2012-07-24 12:10:00 PM  
Easy. Round down to the nearest whole number. Like the rest of us have to do.

/can afford 1.8 cars but guess I can only have one
 
2012-07-24 12:12:08 PM  
truncate
 
2012-07-24 12:15:21 PM  
They're acting like children, pretending to not understand. "Gee, just how do we follow your orders when they're so vague and obtuse? Look what you're making me do, buy 1.8 submarines. That's impossible, you know? I am so confused by this fancy financial situation."


"Congress created a monster when it decided that the entire government will face across-the-board cuts in January, unless an agreement on deficit reduction is reached. to allow the military industrial complex to decide the defense budget.
 
2012-07-24 12:15:30 PM  

vpb: You buy two submarines over the course of 14.2 months. It's not like you get submarines at Guns R Us, they're built to order.


Have you contacted the Pentagon? There are some folks there that could really use your help.

/do they have a suggestion box?
//they need one
 
2012-07-24 12:16:09 PM  
......or the republicans could just agree to a slight tax increase on the top 1%, and then we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
 
2012-07-24 12:17:29 PM  
Something as simple as a submarine would never need spare parts.
 
2012-07-24 12:17:39 PM  

mitchcumstein1: With a check?


Written against borrowed funds you got from China
 
2012-07-24 12:19:22 PM  
"Take for example your Virginia-class submarine [that] we were planning to buy two per year,"

Buy 9 in 5 years. Bam. Budget cut by 10%, problem solved, no need for fractional submarines.
 
2012-07-24 12:21:52 PM  
You buy one. Who the hell are we building new submarines to fight? Ze germans?
 
2012-07-24 12:25:19 PM  
Sounds like you just need to spread that .8 sub over several years. Of course, i'm wondering why we need two new ones every year...who exactly are they being used against these days?
 
2012-07-24 12:26:08 PM  
You buy two .9 submarines and call them "convertible corvette class" ships and use them for littoral combat missions.
 
2012-07-24 12:26:17 PM  
Uh, you buy 9 every 5 years instead of 10 every 5 years. Why is math so hard for the DOD?
 
2012-07-24 12:26:32 PM  
How do you buy 1.8 submarines?
brianrowe.org
For $20 more a week, they'll have an xbox in each bunk!
 
2012-07-24 12:28:22 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Something as simple as a submarine would never need spare parts.


Spare parts are included in the bill. Really. I spent damned near a year sorting the spare parts warehouse for the farking Seawolf. Worst year ever.
 
2012-07-24 12:31:03 PM  
You buy one and expect 80% cost overruns.
 
2012-07-24 12:31:36 PM  
.8 of a submarine? That's a lot of spilled seamen. That is an abomination unto the Lord. Figures, NPR.
 
2012-07-24 12:32:05 PM  
If you're using the Seawolf as the baseline, the Virginia class is only about 90% of it, so 2 Virgina class boats and voila, 1.8 boats!
 
2012-07-24 12:36:09 PM  

Antimatter: Sounds like you just need to spread that .8 sub over several years. Of course, i'm wondering why we need two new ones every year...who exactly are they being used against these days?


The Chinese
 
2012-07-24 12:36:55 PM  

CPennypacker: You buy one. Who the hell are we building new submarines to fight? Ze germans?


We're building new subs to replace old subs that become less reliable and more costly to maintain over time. And they're less for fighting than intel and deterrence, which they're pretty damned good for.
 
2012-07-24 12:39:21 PM  

doyner: skullkrusher: .8 of a submarine? That's a lot of spilled seamen. That is an abomination unto the Lord. Figures, NPR.

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[notsureifserious.jpg] with your [notsureifserious.jpg]
 
2012-07-24 12:40:30 PM  
You just buy one and only have a military as big as the next 10 countries combined, instead of the next 20.
 
2012-07-24 12:41:28 PM  
Hold the hatches.
 
2012-07-24 12:41:47 PM  

incendi: CPennypacker: You buy one. Who the hell are we building new submarines to fight? Ze germans?

We're building new subs to replace old subs that become less reliable and more costly to maintain over time. And they're less for fighting than intel and deterrence, which they're pretty damned good for.


Ah yes, deterrence like my Tiger repelling rock.

Tell me, how do they deter anything if they are undetectable? The fear that we have subs? Why don't we just spend $12 on a press release saying we have a million subs?
 
2012-07-24 12:43:18 PM  
Are you guys all drinking lead down there? This is from NPR no less.
 
2012-07-24 12:43:20 PM  

Antimatter: Sounds like you just need to spread that .8 sub over several years. Of course, i'm wondering why we need two new ones every year...who exactly are they being used against these days?


Back during WWII, submarines were relatively uncomplicated affairs (compared to today), and could be cranked out relatively rapidly. Take the USS Batfish, for example: It was ordered on April 21st, 1942, laid down on December 27th, 1942, launched on May 5th, 1943, and commissioned on August 21st, 1943. From order to commissioning, a year and 4 months for an uncomplicated diesel-electric sub built en-masse during war time.

The latest Virginia class nuclear submarine, the USS California, was ordered in 2003, construction began in 2006, she was launched in November 2010, and commissioned in October of 2011. We went from a lead time of 1 year and 4 months to 8 years.

In other words, you can't just whip these things up when you need them. It takes a *LONG* time to build them, so by the time you recognize that you are going to need them, it's probably too late to build them.
 
2012-07-24 12:44:27 PM  

skullkrusher: doyner: skullkrusher: .8 of a submarine? That's a lot of spilled seamen. That is an abomination unto the Lord. Figures, NPR.

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[notsureifserious.jpg] with your [notsureifserious.jpg]


I gotta agree with the first [notsureifserious.jpg]. You could have been talking about partially building a submarine causing the seamen to fall out of it and then playing with the seamen/semen homonym pair in complete seriousness.

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2012-07-24 12:45:42 PM  

thurstonxhowell: skullkrusher: doyner: skullkrusher: .8 of a submarine? That's a lot of spilled seamen. That is an abomination unto the Lord. Figures, NPR.

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[notsureifserious.jpg] with your [notsureifserious.jpg]

I gotta agree with the first [notsureifserious.jpg]. You could have been talking about partially building a submarine causing the seamen to fall out of it and then playing with the seamen/semen homonym pair in complete seriousness.

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I could have been doing that. Do you think I was?
 
2012-07-24 12:46:34 PM  

skullkrusher: thurstonxhowell: skullkrusher: doyner: skullkrusher: .8 of a submarine? That's a lot of spilled seamen. That is an abomination unto the Lord. Figures, NPR.

[notsureifserious.jpg]

[notsureifserious.jpg] with your [notsureifserious.jpg]

I gotta agree with the first [notsureifserious.jpg]. You could have been talking about partially building a submarine causing the seamen to fall out of it and then playing with the seamen/semen homonym pair in complete seriousness.

[totallyserious.jpg]

I could have been doing that. Do you think I was?


Yes.

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2012-07-24 12:50:40 PM  

thurstonxhowell: skullkrusher: thurstonxhowell: skullkrusher: doyner: skullkrusher: .8 of a submarine? That's a lot of spilled seamen. That is an abomination unto the Lord. Figures, NPR.

[notsureifserious.jpg]

[notsureifserious.jpg] with your [notsureifserious.jpg]

I gotta agree with the first [notsureifserious.jpg]. You could have been talking about partially building a submarine causing the seamen to fall out of it and then playing with the seamen/semen homonym pair in complete seriousness.

[totallyserious.jpg]

I could have been doing that. Do you think I was?

Yes.

[dickpic.jpg]


still drunk, dad? :)
 
2012-07-24 12:52:05 PM  
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2012-07-24 12:52:10 PM  

CPennypacker: Tell me, how do they deter anything if they are undetectable? The fear that we have subs? Why don't we just spend $12 on a press release saying we have a million subs?


Works a lot better when you cruise through the straights of hormuz on the surface, disappear for a month, then do it again. Or when you pester a russian boat heading towards known US submarine operating areas until they finally say "fark it" and turn around. Just because we're not blowing things up much these days doesn't mean the boats aren't busy.
 
2012-07-24 12:53:11 PM  

incendi: CPennypacker: Tell me, how do they deter anything if they are undetectable? The fear that we have subs? Why don't we just spend $12 on a press release saying we have a million subs?

Works a lot better when you cruise through the straights of hormuz on the surface, disappear for a month, then do it again. Or when you pester a russian boat heading towards known US submarine operating areas until they finally say "fark it" and turn around. Just because we're not blowing things up much these days doesn't mean the boats aren't busy.


You can't do that with one sub?
 
2012-07-24 12:53:42 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

4/5 of a sub
 
2012-07-24 01:01:13 PM  
Don't we have .8 of a submarine in Maine already?
 
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