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2012-07-24 01:01:30 PM

gilgigamesh: I think gun violence is a problem in this country, and I think the NRA is a cancer because it actively and very effectively stifles any real debate about the issue for a profit motive.


I see your point, but asking the NRA to support more gun control is pissing in the wind. The NRA isn't a crime lobby.
 
2012-07-24 01:02:28 PM

j_twelve: Where is your stereotype now?


When you qualify a statement by saying 'many', you kind of destroy the stereotype argument. Now if he would have said 'all liberals' . . .

it is the basic 'while there are many liberals not for gun contrrol, nearly all gun control advocates are liberal' argument.
 
2012-07-24 01:03:21 PM
Why is the thread getting all wonky....is it being purged or parsed w/e ?
 
2012-07-24 01:03:36 PM

rufus-t-firefly: Don't forget that the NRA is happy to sell out to protect those manufacturers.


The NRA is a political lobby group that plays politics. I don't think the NRA is perfect by any means but they have to play the game.
 
2012-07-24 01:04:16 PM

rosebud_the_sled: I am certainly not against gun rights, but the NRA's continued insistence that every psychotic should own and carry a gun does indicate that they are completely in favor of every mass killing done within the US.

Have they ever done anything to keep guns out of the hands of anyone? Ever?

Has there ever been a single incident where the NRA has lifted a finger to make sure a single whackjob does not have the latest and greatest firepower?


You know the NRA has helped write every single substantive piece of gun legislation since 34 right?

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=NICS_Improvement_Act_of_20 0 7

"In early June 2007, the National Rifle Association (NRA) endorsed the bill following negotiations with Reps. McCarthy and Dingell. In exchange for the NRA's support of the bills provisions to improve the updating of information into the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), the changes to the bill included protecting the ability of veterans designated as having psychological conditions, such as post-traumatic stress disorder, and individuals successfully treated for mental illness to purchase guns. Following the endorsement, the bill was expected to reach the House floor sometime in mid-June.[8]"
 
2012-07-24 01:12:22 PM
I'd just like to point out that 13 of the 15 mass shootings to my recollection were committed by people with histories of mental illnesses, that had purchased their guns legally.

Obviously, the only viable solution is to make guns easier to get, so we can stop these guys when the time arises.
 
2012-07-24 01:15:51 PM

Jack Mackbell: I'd just like to point out that 13 of the 15 mass shootings to my recollection were committed by people with histories of mental illnesses, that had purchased their guns legally.

Obviously, the only viable solution is to make guns easier to get, so we can stop these guys when the time arises.


Your recollection is false. However I don't see anyone, NRA included, saying that people with mental illness should be allowed to own a gun UNLESS that person has been cleared by appropriate medical personnel. Hell they endorsed a modification to the NICS system to make it easier to identify people with mental illness.
 
2012-07-24 01:28:15 PM
simple solutions by Isitoveryet;

you want to purchase a gun?
you have to take a bullet first, you pick the general area of your body and the caliber depends on the gun you want to purchase.

BLAM! cry stitch stitch stitch.

you now qualify to purchase a firearm.
 
2012-07-24 01:30:18 PM

Isitoveryet: simple solutions by Isitoveryet;

you want to purchase a gun?
you have to take a bullet first, you pick the general area of your body and the caliber depends on the gun you want to purchase.

BLAM! cry stitch stitch stitch.

you now qualify to purchase a firearm.


Remember kids, it's the people who defend their Constitutional rights who are the extremists here, not people like Isitoveryet who are just simply calling for commonsense gun control laws.
 
2012-07-24 01:38:30 PM
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2012-07-24 01:38:53 PM
This is about as smart as blaming AAA for a car crash.
 
2012-07-24 01:43:00 PM

redmid17: keithgabryelski: beta_plus: If only we had strict gun laws like Norway.

me too -- even with that massacre, look at the numbers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_dea t h_rate

basically, you suggested Norway has more (or at least serious) gun violence even though they have strict gun laws.

That is incorrect. Norway's homicide rate by guns are more than order of magnitude less than the united states (and we are scaling for populace so we can all be assured the numbers are even steven).

It's time to think about and have an honest discussion of what NEEDS we have for guns in the country and what WANTS we can do without.

It's time.

It's time talk about it.

I'd much rather talk about the lack of affordable, accessible mental health care and the war of drugs, which are probably the causes of most of the gun crime.


Affordable medical care is now constitutional according to the Supreme Court. Just like guns!
 
2012-07-24 01:43:16 PM

redmid17: Jack Mackbell: I'd just like to point out that 13 of the 15 mass shootings to my recollection were committed by people with histories of mental illnesses, that had purchased their guns legally.

Obviously, the only viable solution is to make guns easier to get, so we can stop these guys when the time arises.

Your recollection is false. However I don't see anyone, NRA included, saying that people with mental illness should be allowed to own a gun UNLESS that person has been cleared by appropriate medical personnel. Hell they endorsed a modification to the NICS system to make it easier to identify people with mental illness.


The question then is, "Why were these people with a history of (potentially violent) mental illness not flagged in the NICS database as being ineligible to legally purchase these firearms?" In the case of Jared Loughner it was because of police croneyism. Hid mother was associated with or worked for the local Sherriff and it was decided by the Sherriff's office not to report him or mandate counseling becuase they didn't want Loughner's mother to go through more trouble than Jared already put her through by being a wingbat.
Its purely speculation on my part, but I would not be surprised to find out other similar cases of someone known to be (violently) mentally ill not being reported to the NICS database were due to a Psych. refusing to release their patient's information because of a misguided sense of Dr./patient privilege or HIPAA (sp?) guidelines.
 
2012-07-24 01:43:59 PM

Daraymann: This is about as smart as blaming AAA for a car crash.


Or the ACLU for child porn.
 
2012-07-24 01:44:03 PM

Fark It: you now qualify to purchase a firearm.

Remember kids, it's the people who defend their Constitutional rights who are the extremists here, not people like Isitoveryet who are just simply calling for commonsense gun control laws.




wait a minute, you want to be able to shoot things without having first hand experience of the pain and hurt that you intend to put someone/thing else through?

I just thought that it would be a nice way to weed out the pansies from the real men.
I would also consider that firearm manufacturers no longer produce mass quantities, every piece is made to order with the buyers specifics in mind.
 
2012-07-24 01:48:11 PM

Loaded Six String: redmid17: Jack Mackbell: I'd just like to point out that 13 of the 15 mass shootings to my recollection were committed by people with histories of mental illnesses, that had purchased their guns legally.

Obviously, the only viable solution is to make guns easier to get, so we can stop these guys when the time arises.

Your recollection is false. However I don't see anyone, NRA included, saying that people with mental illness should be allowed to own a gun UNLESS that person has been cleared by appropriate medical personnel. Hell they endorsed a modification to the NICS system to make it easier to identify people with mental illness.

The question then is, "Why were these people with a history of (potentially violent) mental illness not flagged in the NICS database as being ineligible to legally purchase these firearms?" In the case of Jared Loughner it was because of police croneyism. Hid mother was associated with or worked for the local Sherriff and it was decided by the Sherriff's office not to report him or mandate counseling becuase they didn't want Loughner's mother to go through more trouble than Jared already put her through by being a wingbat.
Its purely speculation on my part, but I would not be surprised to find out other similar cases of someone known to be (violently) mentally ill not being reported to the NICS database were due to a Psych. refusing to release their patient's information because of a misguided sense of Dr./patient privilege or HIPAA (sp?) guidelines.


That goes back to address the healthcare field, not the NICS or guns.
 
2012-07-24 01:49:18 PM

Isitoveryet: Fark It: you now qualify to purchase a firearm.

Remember kids, it's the people who defend their Constitutional rights who are the extremists here, not people like Isitoveryet who are just simply calling for commonsense gun control laws.



wait a minute, you want to be able to shoot things without having first hand experience of the pain and hurt that you intend to put someone/thing else through?

I just thought that it would be a nice way to weed out the pansies from the real men.
I would also consider that firearm manufacturers no longer produce mass quantities, every piece is made to order with the buyers specifics in mind.


Reasonable.....
 
2012-07-24 01:51:39 PM

Fark It: Isitoveryet: Fark It: you now qualify to purchase a firearm.

Remember kids, it's the people who defend their Constitutional rights who are the extremists here, not people like Isitoveryet who are just simply calling for commonsense gun control laws.



wait a minute, you want to be able to shoot things without having first hand experience of the pain and hurt that you intend to put someone/thing else through?

I just thought that it would be a nice way to weed out the pansies from the real men.
I would also consider that firearm manufacturers no longer produce mass quantities, every piece is made to order with the buyers specifics in mind.

Reasonable.....


Not at all. Prices would go through the roof.
 
2012-07-24 01:56:07 PM
Far left website high lights statements by far left news commentator in a continued effort to exploit a tragedy for political purposes.

Jumping up and down howling about the "Tea Party" or "Palin" or "Beck" after the Giffords shooting and being completely wrong and never admitting that doesn't even phase you people as you start doing the same damn thing, now to the NRA. This is why I could never be a liberal, I'm too honest and I can't to make things up about groups/people I disagree with simply to make myself feel better.

There's a very, very, very good reason that conservatives understand liberals and can accurately state what their positions are while liberals flounder when they are forced to actually state the positions of conservatives instead of using rhetoric and insults.
 
2012-07-24 02:09:20 PM

Richard Flaccid:


You look adorable in a tutu.
 
2012-07-24 02:21:59 PM

redmid17: Loaded Six String: redmid17: Jack Mackbell: I'd just like to point out that 13 of the 15 mass shootings to my recollection were committed by people with histories of mental illnesses, that had purchased their guns legally.

Obviously, the only viable solution is to make guns easier to get, so we can stop these guys when the time arises.

Your recollection is false. However I don't see anyone, NRA included, saying that people with mental illness should be allowed to own a gun UNLESS that person has been cleared by appropriate medical personnel. Hell they endorsed a modification to the NICS system to make it easier to identify people with mental illness.

The question then is, "Why were these people with a history of (potentially violent) mental illness not flagged in the NICS database as being ineligible to legally purchase these firearms?" In the case of Jared Loughner it was because of police croneyism. Hid mother was associated with or worked for the local Sherriff and it was decided by the Sherriff's office not to report him or mandate counseling becuase they didn't want Loughner's mother to go through more trouble than Jared already put her through by being a wingbat.
Its purely speculation on my part, but I would not be surprised to find out other similar cases of someone known to be (violently) mentally ill not being reported to the NICS database were due to a Psych. refusing to release their patient's information because of a misguided sense of Dr./patient privilege or HIPAA (sp?) guidelines.

That goes back to address the healthcare field, not the NICS or guns.


Precisely. There are other more pressing and more efficient things which need to be looked at rather than further restrictions on the purchase or ownership of firearms. Poverty, the War on Drugs, public education, a positive change in any of these 3 things would result in a greater net positive effect on crime as well as the nation as a whole, and do so without infringing on the Second Amendment.
 
2012-07-24 02:22:48 PM

carmody: You know, I'm so old I remember the NRA before Wayne LaPierre turned it into a hard-right political action group. Back in my day, it was a simple sportsmen's association.


I'm really, really curious as to who they endorse in the presidential race. Romney actually has a track record of voting on gun laws the NRA doesn't like, while Obama has basically done nothing against current gun rights. If they endorse Obama or neither, that's fine, but if they endorse Romney I'll have no problem calling them out as a political organization disguised as a gun rights group.

...

On a slightly different track, driving into work this morning on Diane Rehm was a guy from the National Gun Owners Association. When asked about large capacity magazines, he basically said "If my home is being invaded by multiple people out to rape my wife and murder my daughter, I want the deadliest weapon possible to stop those invaders.

I thought to myself, "With that line of logic, why don't we just let him have a few grenades, an RPG, and an M-60?"
 
2012-07-24 02:27:22 PM

dlp211: The_Sponge: shower_in_my_socks: Chimperror2: Actually, I don't think those people would have cared who shot him.


Right, Mr. CCR with his p-shooter is going to take down a guy who has him massively outgunned, is wearing body armor, operating in the dark with hundreds of screaming people running around. The fantasies some of you nuts have are hilarious.


As much as I support concealed carry, I fully realize that this situation was beyond tough for the average person who has a permit, and I put myself in that category.

IMHO, the only person who would have been prepared for that scenario is somebody who has extensive law enforcement or military training.

As someone with extensive military training especially in CQB situations, even I am probably not taking a shot in that scenario. I could, if everything in the environment was perfect for me to take the shot, but that would be completely out of my hands.


No, but the shooter didn't either. He didn't seem to want to put up much of a fight. Even with his costume, I doubt he would have fought long with someone with the nerve to shoot back (or shoot at all). You are correct that tactically, the situation sucked and there may not have been a takedown shot available and a pistol vs. rifle is not advisable. Still, the little coward with the orange hair probably wouldn't have stayed to fight it out. Suppression fire might have been very effective. It's not like the shooter had any training on tactics or taking fire either.
 
2012-07-24 02:28:21 PM
zarberg:
"If my home is being invaded by multiple people out to rape my wife and murder my daughter, I want the deadliest weapon possible to stop those invaders.

I'd say the guy watches way too much T.V. probably a FOX News viewer.
 
2012-07-24 02:46:28 PM

zarberg: carmody: You know, I'm so old I remember the NRA before Wayne LaPierre turned it into a hard-right political action group. Back in my day, it was a simple sportsmen's association.

I'm really, really curious as to who they endorse in the presidential race. Romney actually has a track record of voting on gun laws the NRA doesn't like, while Obama has basically done nothing against current gun rights. If they endorse Obama or neither, that's fine, but if they endorse Romney I'll have no problem calling them out as a political organization disguised as a gun rights group.

...

On a slightly different track, driving into work this morning on Diane Rehm was a guy from the National Gun Owners Association. When asked about large capacity magazines, he basically said "If my home is being invaded by multiple people out to rape my wife and murder my daughter, I want the deadliest weapon possible to stop those invaders.

I thought to myself, "With that line of logic, why don't we just let him have a few grenades, an RPG, and an M-60?"


Well you can legally own all of those, but the collateral damage from any of them would mostly destroy the house. He might not have said it but I think it's fairly safe to assume the was also implying ease of acess, minimal collateral damage, and affordability.
 
2012-07-24 03:01:05 PM

randomjsa: This is why I could never be a liberal, I'm too honest and I can't to make things up about groups/people I disagree with simply to make myself feel better.


that's got to be a record. In a single sentence you already contradicted yourself. Usually people do it later in the paragraph.
 
2012-07-24 03:15:05 PM

slayer199: Linux



what you are describing is the result of unbridled capitalism. under a pure capitalist system, everything can be bought, even Legislators. as long as the price is right.

i like capitalism, but not captalistm unchecked and allowed to do as it pleases. there has to be rules to keep the playing field (free market) level and the government's (if it truly represents the people and not just rich people) job is to create and enforce these rules.

would you play a baseball game that determined your ability to make a living if there was no umpire present? it would turn into a brawl and you would never get paid.

such is unbridled capitalism or crony capitalism, take your pick.
 
2012-07-24 03:25:40 PM
Why do we not allow everybody to fly planes in this country?
 
2012-07-24 03:38:58 PM

hinten: Why do we not allow everybody to fly planes in this country?


The FAA is owned by the 1%
 
2012-07-24 03:46:10 PM

coeyagi: 6000 rounds of ammo. The Nazis (yes, Poe in under 10!) tried to conserve bullets, but not in America!


If you happen to collect firearms and have several different calibers, 6k is really not unheard of. Most people I know buy ammo in bulk boxes of 500 or 1k at a time. Bear in mind that for even a moderate shooter 150-200 rounds of ammo is good for about 1 trip to the range, and more trips to the range to become a skilled shooter is exactly the type of things you want people who have dangerous weapons to do. Anyways, 6k is nowhere near "start a war" territory. It's "avid collector who goes to the range once or twice a month" territory.

Of course, the guy in question here was totz cray cray.. but the 6k number shouldn't be considered "shocking."
 
2012-07-24 03:50:51 PM

the_geek: coeyagi: 6000 rounds of ammo. The Nazis (yes, Poe in under 10!) tried to conserve bullets, but not in America!

If you happen to collect firearms and have several different calibers, 6k is really not unheard of. Most people I know buy ammo in bulk boxes of 500 or 1k at a time. Bear in mind that for even a moderate shooter 150-200 rounds of ammo is good for about 1 trip to the range, and more trips to the range to become a skilled shooter is exactly the type of things you want people who have dangerous weapons to do. Anyways, 6k is nowhere near "start a war" territory. It's "avid collector who goes to the range once or twice a month" territory.

Of course, the guy in question here was totz cray cray.. but the 6k number shouldn't be considered "shocking."


I've got roughly 1200 bullets (22, 7.62 x 53mm, 12 gauge) sitting roughly 10 feet from me and I've haven't even shot my guns since February. Hell the only reason I have .22 ammo is because my dad has a 100+ year old Winchester I like to shoot when I go home.
 
2012-07-24 04:31:07 PM

js34603: The NRA is right, everyone should have access to guns. But bullets should cost a million dollars each.

/Rock 2012


The NIH paid for them. I think they can afford it.
 
2012-07-24 04:37:22 PM

hinten: Why do we not allow everybody to fly planes in this country?


We do.
 
2012-07-24 04:38:12 PM

Fart_Machine: Turn the volume down from 11 guys. The guy was a nutbag. This is about as stupid as blaming the victims because they didn't have a shoot out in a dark crowded theater filled with tear gas.


I blame the NIH for funding the carnage.
 
2012-07-24 04:47:31 PM

Chimperror2: hinten: Why do we not allow everybody to fly planes in this country?

We do.


We let everyone try but decided it might be prudent not to allow everyone.
 
2012-07-24 05:30:22 PM

EyeballKid: Whom can I blame for that abortion of a post? Home schooling?


In other words, you have no rational argument against it - as I expected

JRoo: Maybe it's the fault of our lack of a physical/mental healthcare system. "Oh, you haven't ACTUALLY done any of the horrible things you are obsessing about? Want to buy some guns so you can destroy your invisible enemies?


Were any of the above incidents preventable, or did they occur in the absence of any adequate mental health program? The Army has one and Major Hassan still decided to shoot up the joint. I am sure Harris and Kliebold had a guidance counselor at their school. We cant exactly baker act every man, woman and child in the country and run them through a gambit of tests.

Tyrano Soros: Fast and Furious deaths were the fault of Holder. Oh, wait...


The willful armament of known thugs, murderers and gangbangers does not equate to the existence of a free society where an individual can purchase a firearm within the scope of the law. Pathetic point is pathetic.
 
2012-07-24 06:12:32 PM

o5iiawah: In other words, you have no rational argument against it - as I expected


Wouldn't you need to make a rational argument in the first place?
 
2012-07-24 06:19:48 PM

hinten: Chimperror2: hinten: Why do we not allow everybody to fly planes in this country?

We do.

We let everyone try but decided it might be prudent not to allow everyone.


Bzzzt. Wrong. Everyone can fly. Everyone can shoot people in movie theaters. It's just illegal. Remember that kid from Seattle that kept stealing planes? We don't eliminate planes from society or cars or anything else because nutcases get a hold of them, even illegally.

This guy could have got a pilots license and crashed a plane into the movie theater if it makes you feel better. It doesn't change the fact that a) he somehow would have been prevented from flying and b) he was ineligible to purchase firearms. In fact nothing in his past seems to show any criminal behavior that would have prevented him from doing any number of things.
 
2012-07-24 06:50:55 PM

zappaisfrank: the_foo: zappaisfrank:

[gritartisan.files.wordpress.com image 400x225]

Tell me where the Tom Tomorrow cartoon advocated gun restrictions.

I'll wait...


Be fair. Sparky typically acts as Dan's mouthpiece, and Sparky is plainly suggesting that conservative victory in the overall gun control debate leads to more frequent civilian massacres.
 
2012-07-24 07:15:43 PM

Chimperror2: hinten: Chimperror2: hinten: Why do we not allow everybody to fly planes in this country?

We do.

We let everyone try but decided it might be prudent not to allow everyone.

Bzzzt. Wrong. Everyone can fly. Everyone can shoot people in movie theaters. It's just illegal. Remember that kid from Seattle that kept stealing planes? We don't eliminate planes from society or cars or anything else because nutcases get a hold of them, even illegally.



Planes have a purpose other than killing things, guns don't. That's such a stupid argument.
 
2012-07-24 07:29:17 PM
We don't allow people we de

Chimperror2: hinten: Chimperror2: hinten: Why do we not allow everybody to fly planes in this country?

We do.

We let everyone try but decided it might be prudent not to allow everyone.

Bzzzt. Wrong. Everyone can fly. Everyone can shoot people in movie theaters. It's just illegal. Remember that kid from Seattle that kept stealing planes? We don't eliminate planes from society or cars or anything else because nutcases get a hold of them, even illegally.

This guy could have got a pilots license and crashed a plane into the movie theater if it makes you feel better. It doesn't change the fact that a) he somehow would have been prevented from flying and b) he was ineligible to purchase firearms. In fact nothing in his past seems to show any criminal behavior that would have prevented him from doing any number of things.


Bzzzt, wrong.

We don't allow individuals who we don't deem qualified from a skill perspective to fly an airplane.
 
2012-07-24 07:50:18 PM

hinten: We don't allow people we deChimperror2: hinten: Chimperror2: hinten: Why do we not allow everybody to fly planes in this country?

We do.

We let everyone try but decided it might be prudent not to allow everyone.

Bzzzt. Wrong. Everyone can fly. Everyone can shoot people in movie theaters. It's just illegal. Remember that kid from Seattle that kept stealing planes? We don't eliminate planes from society or cars or anything else because nutcases get a hold of them, even illegally.

This guy could have got a pilots license and crashed a plane into the movie theater if it makes you feel better. It doesn't change the fact that a) he somehow would have been prevented from flying and b) he was ineligible to purchase firearms. In fact nothing in his past seems to show any criminal behavior that would have prevented him from doing any number of things.

Bzzzt, wrong.

We don't allow individuals who we don't deem qualified from a skill perspective to fly an airplane.


Flying a plan also isn't an enumerated right
 
2012-07-24 08:36:04 PM

redmid17: hinten: We don't allow people we deChimperror2: hinten: Chimperror2: hinten: Why do we not allow everybody to fly planes in this country?

We do.

We let everyone try but decided it might be prudent not to allow everyone.

Bzzzt. Wrong. Everyone can fly. Everyone can shoot people in movie theaters. It's just illegal. Remember that kid from Seattle that kept stealing planes? We don't eliminate planes from society or cars or anything else because nutcases get a hold of them, even illegally.

This guy could have got a pilots license and crashed a plane into the movie theater if it makes you feel better. It doesn't change the fact that a) he somehow would have been prevented from flying and b) he was ineligible to purchase firearms. In fact nothing in his past seems to show any criminal behavior that would have prevented him from doing any number of things.

Bzzzt, wrong.

We don't allow individuals who we don't deem qualified from a skill perspective to fly an airplane.

Flying a plan also isn't an enumerated right


The problem is that the enumeration for gun rights is open ended and as such subject to limitations imposed by the people.
 
2012-07-24 08:45:46 PM

hinten: redmid17: hinten: We don't allow people we deChimperror2: hinten: Chimperror2: hinten: Why do we not allow everybody to fly planes in this country?

We do.

We let everyone try but decided it might be prudent not to allow everyone.

Bzzzt. Wrong. Everyone can fly. Everyone can shoot people in movie theaters. It's just illegal. Remember that kid from Seattle that kept stealing planes? We don't eliminate planes from society or cars or anything else because nutcases get a hold of them, even illegally.

This guy could have got a pilots license and crashed a plane into the movie theater if it makes you feel better. It doesn't change the fact that a) he somehow would have been prevented from flying and b) he was ineligible to purchase firearms. In fact nothing in his past seems to show any criminal behavior that would have prevented him from doing any number of things.

Bzzzt, wrong.

We don't allow individuals who we don't deem qualified from a skill perspective to fly an airplane.

Flying a plan also isn't an enumerated right

The problem is that the enumeration for gun rights is open ended and as such subject to limitations imposed by the people.


Subject to reasonable limitations
 
2012-07-24 10:18:41 PM
30,000 gun deaths a year? Yeah, that's not hyperbole or anything. And even if that WAS the number; 30,000 gun deaths per year out of a population of an estimated 314 million...that's .009% of the population that dies by gunfire every year. If you were to include his 300,000+ assaults with guns every year that's still .095% of the population. So less than 1/100 of the population is affected by guns in their lifetime, and 1/1000 of the population dies from gun related deaths every year...hey, but let's go banning all the guns and getting crazy with the restrictions- because you know, GUNSZOMGWEAPONZZZOFDEATHZZZZ!!!

I like how he neglects the fact that the VAST majority of gun deaths are suicides. Oh, and you still run a MUCH better chance of dying in an automobile accident, from a heart attack, a stroke, being diagnosed with diabetes, or getting (and subsequently dying) in a car accident- than you do of dying by gunfire.
 
2012-07-24 10:23:04 PM

indoorplant: Gun laws would prevent shootings sprees?


2009: 9,146 gun related murders in the United States.

2009: Britain - 39 gun related murders.

i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-07-24 10:25:37 PM
"The following candlelight vigil is brought to you at this time with generous support from the NRA. 'NRA. Because candlelight vigils are so poignant.'"

If I ran the NRA, I'd try to snag the manufactured candles monopoly in this country.
 
2012-07-25 01:03:00 AM

kanesays: indoorplant: Gun laws would prevent shootings sprees?

2009: 9,146 gun related murders in the United States.

2009: Britain - 39 gun related murders.

[i47.tinypic.com image 500x375]


To be fair, Sideshow Bob would have simply tossed pipe bombs instead, assuming that he couldn't get his hands on a gun anyway. I don't think that gun control would do much to prevent this sort of massacre. It's more of a mentality thing. We Americans, by and large, are often passionate but not too level headed, so we seem to get more of the mass murderer nutjobs per capita.

That's the theory I'm going with, anyway.
 
2012-07-25 02:08:17 AM

Russky: Chimperror2: hinten: Chimperror2: hinten: Why do we not allow everybody to fly planes in this country?

We do.

We let everyone try but decided it might be prudent not to allow everyone.

Bzzzt. Wrong. Everyone can fly. Everyone can shoot people in movie theaters. It's just illegal. Remember that kid from Seattle that kept stealing planes? We don't eliminate planes from society or cars or anything else because nutcases get a hold of them, even illegally.



Planes have a purpose other than killing things, guns don't. That's such a stupid argument.


Guns kill bad people, too. I don't want a gun to be equal to the nut job in the theater. I want a gun to kill the nut jobs with a knife that's 20 feet away. I want guns so the 110lb, 5'2" woman being raped and shoot and kill her 225, 6'2" linebacker rapist. Guns have a purpose and it's to stop people from being being terrorized by those with evil intentions. Yes, they are misused. So are planes.
 
2012-07-25 02:11:22 AM

hinten: We don't allow people we deChimperror2: hinten: Chimperror2: hinten: Why do we not allow everybody to fly planes in this country?

We do.

We let everyone try but decided it might be prudent not to allow everyone.

Bzzzt. Wrong. Everyone can fly. Everyone can shoot people in movie theaters. It's just illegal. Remember that kid from Seattle that kept stealing planes? We don't eliminate planes from society or cars or anything else because nutcases get a hold of them, even illegally.

This guy could have got a pilots license and crashed a plane into the movie theater if it makes you feel better. It doesn't change the fact that a) he somehow would have been prevented from flying and b) he was ineligible to purchase firearms. In fact nothing in his past seems to show any criminal behavior that would have prevented him from doing any number of things.

Bzzzt, wrong.

We don't allow individuals who we don't deem qualified from a skill perspective to fly an airplane.


9/11 victims would disagree.
 
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