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2012-07-24 11:10:28 AM

madgonad: Dammit Moyers....AR15! not a flipping AK47. Please learn about what you are addressing before opening your mouth.


Both are really fantastic ways to bring down deer and small game.
 
2012-07-24 11:10:33 AM

Citrate1007: HotWingConspiracy: The 4chan Psychiatrist: As a country, we're sick and tired of listening to the totalitarian bullshiat being spewed forth from idiots like Feinstein, Schumer, Bloomberg, et al.

We're sicker over gun massacres every few months.

In all fairness, untreated mental illness as a result from inadequate healthcare coverage and a society that still stigmatizes such illness is far more to blame that guns.


So it's the GOP platform.

No healthcare, more guns.

But yeah, I would disagree with that.
 
2012-07-24 11:10:44 AM
This is one of those laws that should be left up to cities and towns and counties. If you live in a rural area like me having a gun is useful and even if I was very unsafe with it chances are I won't shoot anyone. Densely populated cities need to make laws based on their population so if the people in those cities feel safer outlawing guns they should be allowed to.
 
2012-07-24 11:11:32 AM

The 4chan Psychiatrist: HotWingConspiracy: The 4chan Psychiatrist: As a country, we're sick and tired of listening to the totalitarian bullshiat being spewed forth from idiots like Feinstein, Schumer, Bloomberg, et al.

We're sicker over gun massacres every few months.

bigbadideasinaction: Lost Thought 00: This is the result of working from a "no restrictions ever, under any circumstances" position and then bargaining from there.

It's very simple. The NRA spent decades fighting for the right for untracked, unlicensed, untraceable and unrestricted guns to go into the hands of whoever wanted them.

Now, the line is "you can't restrict our guns, look at how many untracked, unlicensed, untraceable and unrestricted guns are in the hands of minorities God-knows-who!?".

Congrats America, you're dumb enough to follow the words of a group claiming to deal with a problem they themselves created.

All you guys fully support the TSA, and the Patriot Act, right?

I mean, gutting the Fourth Amendment is a small price to pay for the perceived safety that it would provide. After all, the blood of every dead American in 9/11 is smeared all over the hands of every single member of the ACLU.


Maybe 4chan is more your speed.
 
2012-07-24 11:11:52 AM
I have no problem with people owning guns. However the NRA has become a nee-jerk reactionary organization that uses fear and half truths to scare it's members into sending it checks.
 
2012-07-24 11:12:38 AM
I support Moyers and I think every Democrat should run on gun bans.
 
2012-07-24 11:13:20 AM
www.hotflick.net

We're having shirts made.
 
2012-07-24 11:13:30 AM

Amish Tech Support: I have no problem with people owning guns. However the NRA has become a nee-jerk reactionary organization that uses fear and half truths to scare it's members into sending it checks.


So, they've basically figured out how to do politics.
 
2012-07-24 11:15:43 AM

Scerpes: So, they've basically figured out how to do politics.


zing
 
2012-07-24 11:16:13 AM
If Thomas Wayne had a concealed weapon and had shot that guy outside the theater we wouldn't be having this discussion.
 
2012-07-24 11:16:20 AM
media.trb.com
"Remember Susie, humans are quite nimble but they have some major weak spots. For instance, if you get one in the femoral artery, then they can bleed out in under three minutes. Personally, I practice shooting them around the forehead or behind the ears - you know, in case I encounter a particularly violent one in those wild, disenfranchised neighborhoods."
 
2012-07-24 11:16:26 AM
Tom Tomorrow is correct: the occasional horrific civilian massacre is simply the price we'll have to pay in order to protect our freedoms.
 
2012-07-24 11:17:03 AM
If you really, genuinely want to know who has no interest in preserving anybody's rights in this debate, just listen for the use of the phrase "assault weapons." Pure and utter ignorance is the primary tool these people will use to further their agenda.

/Also of note: "AK-47 type weapon," "60 rounds per minute semi-automatic weapon"
 
2012-07-24 11:17:35 AM
How about if the left gives up on gun control if the right gives up on abortion? That would be awesome.
 
2012-07-24 11:17:39 AM
I once shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2012-07-24 11:18:47 AM

James F. Campbell: Tom Tomorrow is correct: the occasional horrific civilian massacre is simply the price we'll have to pay in order to protect our freedoms.


Well, the freedoms of those who survive, anyway.
 
2012-07-24 11:19:55 AM

coeyagi: Fart_Machine: coeyagi: Fart_Machine: Turn the volume down from 11 guys. The guy was a nutbag. This is about as stupid as blaming the victims because they didn't have a shoot out in a dark crowded theater filled with tear gas.

And you have no problem with a society turning its head as it allows this nutbag to start a small war in Aurora if he wanted to?

6000 rounds of ammo. The Nazis (yes, Poe in under 10!) tried to conserve bullets, but not in America!

As much as I have disagreements with the NRA this is a case where neither more or less gun laws wouldn't have made a difference since this guy had no criminal record.

Yes, which is why maybe buying 6000 rounds of ammo itself should have raised questions.

I mean, if the Right Wingers think everyone should have voter IDs even though voter fraud is WAY less than 30,000 cases per year, why not have a little control over firearms which are used in 30,000 deaths per year?

Hey conservatives, just want to make sure I have your priorities right:

Sanctity of Fetus life > Sanctity of voting > Sanctity of human life


FYI: We have approximately 1000 rounds in our gun safe - all purchased legally.

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3

I love these guys - even when they irritate me.
 
2012-07-24 11:19:59 AM

Nem Wan: How about if the left gives up on gun control if the right gives up on abortion? That would be awesome.


The left has given up on gun control. Now as a compromise, we're supposed to concede the abortion debate, too.

Compromise republican style.
 
2012-07-24 11:20:07 AM

coeyagi: madgonad: Dammit Moyers....AR15! not a flipping AK47. Please learn about what you are addressing before opening your mouth.

Both are really fantastic ways to bring down deer and small game.


Not Sure If Serious?
 
2012-07-24 11:21:07 AM

Citrate1007: HotWingConspiracy: The 4chan Psychiatrist: As a country, we're sick and tired of listening to the totalitarian bullshiat being spewed forth from idiots like Feinstein, Schumer, Bloomberg, et al.

We're sicker over gun massacres every few months.

In all fairness, untreated mental illness as a result from inadequate healthcare coverage and a society that still stigmatizes such illness is far more to blame that guns.


QFT
 
2012-07-24 11:21:48 AM

gilgigamesh: James F. Campbell: Tom Tomorrow is correct: the occasional horrific civilian massacre is simply the price we'll have to pay in order to protect our freedoms.

Well, the freedoms of those who survive, anyway.


The dead didn't deserve the freedom in the first place since they weren't armed.
 
2012-07-24 11:21:58 AM
When it comes to guns: We should not restrict anyone who wants a gun's rights to having a gun just because of the occasional psychopath who just coincidentally managed to wound or kill over a dozen people with a gun. Come on, we have this conversation every year when something like this happens with stunning regularity.

When it comes to Muslims: We should restrict everyone who is a Muslim's rights to religious expression and practice just because of the occasional psychopaths who just coincidentally happened to be Muslim when they killed several thousand people. Come on, we've had this conversation for over 11 years since that one incident happened.

/yes, yes, i'm fully aware that the comparison doesn't extend as far as i'm implying
//but it's something to consider
 
2012-07-24 11:22:34 AM
images.nymag.com

"Never let a crisis go to waste," right?
 
2012-07-24 11:22:52 AM

HotWingConspiracy: OMG how mean! You're not allowed to talk about the gun lobby when a legal gun owner goes on another killing spree, people have feelings, you know?


I mean, really, the true victim here is the NRA.
 
2012-07-24 11:22:56 AM

Nem Wan: How about if the left gives up on gun control if the right gives up on abortion? That would be awesome.


With the exception of Lautenberg (D-NJ), and a select few others, the left has given up on gun control.
 
2012-07-24 11:23:22 AM

beta_plus: If only we had strict gun laws like Norway.


Where one massacre has occurred in the past few decades, as opposed to...what's our number now?
 
2012-07-24 11:24:37 AM

The 4chan Psychiatrist: Citrate1007: HotWingConspiracy: The 4chan Psychiatrist: As a country, we're sick and tired of listening to the totalitarian bullshiat being spewed forth from idiots like Feinstein, Schumer, Bloomberg, et al.

We're sicker over gun massacres every few months.

In all fairness, untreated mental illness as a result from inadequate healthcare coverage and a society that still stigmatizes such illness is far more to blame that guns.

QFT


People who are crazy, don't think of themselves as crazy. They think they themselves are totally sane.

Alchoholics and drug users don;t think they have a problem either.

Ric Romero reporting.....
 
2012-07-24 11:24:41 AM

dlp211: Nem Wan: How about if the left gives up on gun control if the right gives up on abortion? That would be awesome.

With the exception of Lautenberg (D-NJ), and a select few others, the left has given up on gun control.


So then I can buy whatever firearms I want in California, Chicago, DC or NYC? The left hasn't given up on gun control, even if it's been relegated to the backseat for the moment.
 
2012-07-24 11:24:59 AM

The 4chan Psychiatrist: All you guys fully support the TSA, and the Patriot Act, right?

I mean, gutting the Fourth Amendment is a small price to pay for the perceived safety that it would provide. After all, the blood of every dead American in 9/11 is smeared all over the hands of every single member of the ACLU.


You need to back to Equivalence class.
 
2012-07-24 11:25:21 AM

dlp211: coeyagi: madgonad: Dammit Moyers....AR15! not a flipping AK47. Please learn about what you are addressing before opening your mouth.

Both are really fantastic ways to bring down deer and small game.

Not Sure If Serious?


Not serious. Sarcastic
 
2012-07-24 11:25:27 AM

coeyagi: Poe in under 10!


Godwin
 
2012-07-24 11:25:52 AM

StrikitRich: [images.nymag.com image 250x375]

"Never let a crisis go to waste," right?


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"RIGHT!"
 
2012-07-24 11:26:06 AM

Scerpes: El Freak: Nobody is saying this. Nobody. It's rather hard to kill dozens of people at a time with a knife, ax, baseball bat, etc, and guns are easier than building a bomb or getting chemical weapons or whatever. I'm not anti-gun ownership, but to pretend that easy availability of guns don't make it easier for nutjobs to do shiat like this is stupid.

It's pretty easy to kill a dozen people with a car...not to mention all the pollution. It's time for at least a 15 day waiting period. We should also outlaw the Prius. They're silent and can sneak up on you.


When cars are designed specifically to kill, you will have a point.

Or, even better - maybe we should use guns for everyday activities - use one to drive nails, put a smartphone in the grip...then they'll have a use other than killing.
 
2012-07-24 11:26:45 AM
"Every year there are 30,000 gun deaths and 300,000 gun-related assaults in the U.S."

But well over 90% of those could have been prevented if the victims were carrying a bazooka.
 
2012-07-24 11:27:15 AM
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-07-24 11:27:41 AM

StrikitRich: [images.nymag.com image 250x375]

"Never let a crisis go to waste," right?


eyreinternationaldotorg.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-07-24 11:27:48 AM

rufus-t-firefly: When cars are designed specifically to kill, you will have a point.


Alchohol is designed to impair your judgement......lets start there.
 
2012-07-24 11:28:05 AM

Scerpes: dlp211: Nem Wan: How about if the left gives up on gun control if the right gives up on abortion? That would be awesome.

With the exception of Lautenberg (D-NJ), and a select few others, the left has given up on gun control.

So then I can buy whatever firearms I want in California, Chicago, DC or NYC? The left hasn't given up on gun control, even if it's been relegated to the backseat for the moment.


Don't forget Massachusetts.

"As Massachusetts governor in 2004, Romney signed into law an assault weapons ban that was backed by gun owners and gun control advocates. The Massachusetts law banned the AR-15, one of the weapons that police say was used inside the Colorado theater on Friday."

Mitt Romney - leftist gun-grabber.
 
2012-07-24 11:28:15 AM

rufus-t-firefly: beta_plus: If only we had strict gun laws like Norway.

Where one massacre has occurred in the past few decades, as opposed to...what's our number now?


We also have higher knife crime and a greater incidence of unarmed assault than Norway, statistically pretty much along the same line. Not sure how you're blaming a general trend of higher crime that may or may not involve guns on guns, but I guess idiots will be idiots.
 
2012-07-24 11:28:53 AM

Scerpes: So then I can buy whatever firearms I want in California, Chicago, DC or NYC? The left hasn't given up on gun control, even if it's been relegated to the backseat for the moment.


Ah yes. "The left isn't talking about gun control anymore because they are waiting to lull you into a false sense of security and then BLAMMO! Right when you least expect it, THAT'S when they will come to take away all your guns! Now please make that check payable to the NRA."
 
2012-07-24 11:29:01 AM

Giltric: rufus-t-firefly: When cars are designed specifically to kill, you will have a point.

Alchohol is designed to impair your judgement......lets start there.


But you can use that impairment to get laid. There's a positive.
 
2012-07-24 11:29:12 AM
Wow, Christians have extended their Fear and Death cult to every aspect of American society? Color me shocked.
 
2012-07-24 11:29:43 AM
12 dead and 80 wounded

farking .223.
 
2012-07-24 11:29:44 AM

rufus-t-firefly: beta_plus: If only we had strict gun laws like Norway.

Where one massacre has occurred in the past few decades, as opposed to...what's our number now?


If only there was someway to adjust by population size. If only ...
 
2012-07-24 11:30:22 AM

indoorplant: [25.media.tumblr.com image 718x720]


Seems to work quite well in the UK and other countries with strict gun-control laws.
 
2012-07-24 11:30:24 AM

Headso: This is one of those laws that should be left up to cities and towns and counties. If you live in a rural area like me having a gun is useful and even if I was very unsafe with it chances are I won't shoot anyone. Densely populated cities need to make laws based on their population so if the people in those cities feel safer outlawing guns they should be allowed to.


This is where the Supreme Court's decision in the McDonald case failed. Historically, local jurisdictions had broad discretion to regulate firearms within their borders, and I think that's exactly what the militia clause of the Second Amendment was intended to recognize. There was no textual or historical basis for finding that the Second Amendment was properly subject to incorporation through the Fourteenth.
 
2012-07-24 11:30:54 AM
I would love to put this quote on an Obama pic and post it to Facebook, just to see the reactions.

"my position is we should check on the backgrounds of people who are trying to purchase guns. We also should keep weapons of unusual lethality from being on the street."
 
2012-07-24 11:32:00 AM
As a liberal, I can safely say that if assualt rifles were banned, James Holmes would just have stocked up on shotguns and pistols, with the same deadly outcome.
 
2012-07-24 11:32:37 AM

platedlizard: indoorplant: [25.media.tumblr.com image 718x720]

Seems to work quite well in the UK and other countries with strict gun-control laws.


Yes, but those are not 'Murka! They don't have free swinging giant penises and are God's chosen people of liberty and exceptionalism! We're too individualistic to be tied down by such tyranny! We'd rather keep getting killed en masse!
 
2012-07-24 11:32:41 AM

She comes in colors everywhere: coeyagi: Poe in under 10!

Godwin


Sorry, thank you. Getting my laws mixed up. MOAR coffee.
 
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