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(USA Today)   More and more unmarried couples are having children, which you'd think would upset Conservatives more than gay adoption   (usatoday.com) divider line 72
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2012-07-24 11:00:45 AM
People having children had out of wedlock was pushed way down the list thanks to interracial marriages, and then gay marriages.
 
2012-07-24 11:27:48 AM
Co-habitating people popping out crotchfruit? White people problems
 
2012-07-24 11:28:23 AM
The bastards
 
2012-07-24 11:32:52 AM
You have to properly calculate the abominations to get to the proper order:

1 - co-habitating and not married? One sin, but if they got married the sin goes away.
2 - having children out of wedlock? Still the same sin as above, nothing really different. You do get a bit of extra flavor as it's setting a bad example for the kids, but the parents can get married and then the sin goes away.

1 - Ghei? Total abomination and a sin. Also, disgusting (assuming it's not hot women. If it's hot women then it's hot and to be encouraged, as long as they're bi and into the group thing)
2 - Adopting kids? Since it encourages an abomination as normal, bad juju. Especially since they can't get married and make the sin go away.

See? Ghei = totally worse.
 
2012-07-24 11:33:02 AM
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2012-07-24 11:34:12 AM

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loving, meaning full of drama
 
2012-07-24 11:34:27 AM

FirstNationalBastard: People having children had out of wedlock was pushed way down the list thanks to interracial marriages, and then gay marriages.


As someone in an interracial marriage, come at me Tea Party.

/who am I kidding, no one gets outraged over white guy, Asian woman
//well except Asian guys
 
2012-07-24 11:34:37 AM
Honestly, I think the institution of marriage is just losing ground. It would be better if any 2 humans could sign paperwork to just be considered legally a couple.
 
2012-07-24 11:35:33 AM

Honest Bender: Honestly, I think the institution of marriage is just losing ground. It would be better if any 2 humans could sign paperwork to just be considered legally a couple.


Like, say, a marriage certificate, in a progressive state like Massachusetts?
 
2012-07-24 11:36:02 AM

ha-ha-guy: /who am I kidding, no one gets outraged over white guy, Asian woman


From my experience in Taiwan, there are two types who biatch about WGAW: Asian guys, and white women.
 
2012-07-24 11:36:28 AM
When Bristol Palin does it, it is a miraculous gift from God.

When you do it, you are a sinner, a drain on society, and a bad example to our children.
 
2012-07-24 11:38:08 AM
If a child is born out of wedlock and his parents later marry does he remain a bastard?
 
2012-07-24 11:42:35 AM

Honest Bender: Honestly, I think the institution of marriage is just losing ground. It would be better if any 2 humans could sign paperwork to just be considered legally a couple.


what if my cat signs an agreement with my dog.? could they have a Nickelodeon (tm) Cat Dog??
 
2012-07-24 11:43:33 AM
Given the high rate of divorce, these days usually instigated by a woman who thinks the grass is greener somewhere else, I applaud this development. At least the guy won't have to pay alimony.

/Work with a guy who specifically won't get married, but has two kids with the same chick.
//Marriage was supposed to be a protection for the wife, but if broads don't want it anymore, then "meh".
 
2012-07-24 11:46:38 AM

HMS_Blinkin: When Bristol Palin does it, it is a miraculous gift from God.


Nothing made me want to cockpunch Guliani more than that video where he's standing there with all those other Republicrites applauding those two morons Bristol and Levi.
 
2012-07-24 11:47:34 AM

Swiss Colony: If a child is born out of wedlock and his parents later marry does he remain a bastard?


No, but if a child's parents get divorced he becomes a bastard. But only if he's mentally retarded.
 
2012-07-24 11:47:39 AM
which you'd think would upset Conservatives more than gay adoption

Who says it doesn't?
 
2012-07-24 11:47:47 AM

Honest Bender: Honestly, I think the institution of marriage is just losing ground. It would be better if any 2 humans could sign paperwork to just be considered legally a couple.


I'll be doing my part to make that happen. SO is mixed-race, and IF we ever get married it won't be anything more than a trip to city hall.
 
2012-07-24 11:51:39 AM
Its cheaper to have kids out of wedlock,
I would of saved lots of money last year if my wife and I werent married but just lived together.

stupid piece of paper
 
2012-07-24 11:52:49 AM
No one would get seriously riled up about anyone having kids au natural. To do so you would necessarily also be questioning the notion that children are fundamentally property of their biological parents. And they don't want to lose that power themselves.
 
2012-07-24 11:53:55 AM
One of the primary functions of marriage, historically, was to legally obligate the father to provide for the children, to provide an automatic means of passing family wealth through the generations, and to provide some financial and societal security/position for the acquiescent broodmare (AKA wife). The focus was not the couple but the family unit. That attitude has shifted, obviously, to where it is now all about the couple. As others have pointed out, government has supplanted the role of the father as provider so marriage is no longer about the children.

All moral posturing aside, it is a pretty well-documented fact that children who are born into a committed marital relationship have a much greater chance of not being in poverty, a much better chance of success educationally and socially, a much lower incidence of drug use, teen pregnancy, and ending up in prison. That does not mean that children born into a single parent family will fail. But the chances are much greater.

Additionally, child abuse at the hands of a step-parent is substantially higher than at the hand of a parent.

Yes, good kids can come out of dire circumstances and rotten sociopaths can come out of ideal circumstances, but that's probably not the way to bet.

There have always been "unwed mothers" just as there has always been common law marriage and divorce. Society suffers when what used to be a manageable rarity becomes the unmanageable norm; or, as Daniel Patrick Moynihan put it, "defining deviancy down."
 
2012-07-24 12:10:28 PM
I've been cohabing w/ my "wire" for almost 30 years. MA does not recognize cohabitation, and around 1987 it was actually still illegal (max year in jail, $300 fine). We have 3 kids, house, assets, cars, stocks, health care coverage, all the usual middle class stuff and I'll be honest with you..... NOBODY cares about our marital status. Probably cuz we're a boring white couple.
I'mOkWithThat.jpg
 
2012-07-24 12:10:58 PM

Mr. Right: One of the primary functions of marriage, historically, was to legally obligate the father to provide for the children, to provide an automatic means of passing family wealth through the generations, and to provide some financial and societal security/position for the acquiescent broodmare (AKA wife). The focus was not the couple but the family unit. That attitude has shifted, obviously, to where it is now all about the couple.


That part's still valid, though.

All moral posturing aside, it is a pretty well-documented fact that children who are born into a committed marital relationship have a much greater chance of not being in poverty, a much better chance of success educationally and socially, a much lower incidence of drug use, teen pregnancy, and ending up in prison. That does not mean that children born into a single parent family will fail. But the chances are much greater.

Additionally, child abuse at the hands of a step-parent is substantially higher than at the hand of a parent.


You're comparing apples and oranges. The article is about unmarried biological-parent couples, but you're comparing married biological-parent couples to single parents and step-parents.
 
2012-07-24 12:11:41 PM
jfc! "wire"? really?
note to self, stop posting immediately without previewing
 
2012-07-24 12:12:34 PM
less people give a damn than you think. they just don't care. don't care who you are, what your politics are and what your personal sex choice is. big deal. get over yourself.
 
2012-07-24 12:14:26 PM

mortimer_ford: Swiss Colony: If a child is born out of wedlock and his parents later marry does he remain a bastard?

No, but if a child's parents get divorced he becomes a bastard. But only if he's mentally retarded.


Or goes into corporate management
 
2012-07-24 12:14:48 PM
It's all about popularity... if 1/20 people are gay, that statistic doesn't really change. 1 out of 20 kids are gay, so if you have 2 kids you'll have 1/10 gay kid. Factor in repression and stuff, chances are maybe 1 in 50 or 1 in 100 conservative parents have gay kids they know about.

However, if your daughter moves in with her boyfriend or vice-versa, you know it. But you still love your daughter. So it's not as much of an abomination when it happens to someone you love. Having a kid then, yeah that's bad but not that bad.

People love their kids no matter what they do. Despite the shunning and dramatic confrontation that makes the news or the dramatic story arc, loving your kids no matter what is the default. It's just what parents do.

And loving your kid who shacked up with some loser and popped out a bastard, means that you have to change your perception of what is really so bad about that.
 
2012-07-24 12:15:59 PM
the fact that people still use the term "wedlock" is pretty interesting too.
 
2012-07-24 12:17:28 PM
Conservatives are slowly realizing that People who Love each other, raising their children in a Loving Home, is Far better than a couple of kids, forced to marry by custom, trying to raise kids when they are no longer infatuated with their former "love interest".

Marriage has become a burden, instead of the declaration to society of a loving commitment to family that it once was.

I know of no culture where a Marriage agreement was intended to "Force" a Man to care for his children. A Man will do that regardless. A Male Human who is not interested in Supporting, and Loving his children is not a Man, and is closer to being a dumb animal.
 
2012-07-24 12:17:30 PM

ha-ha-guy: FirstNationalBastard: People having children had out of wedlock was pushed way down the list thanks to interracial marriages, and then gay marriages.

As someone in an interracial marriage, come at me Tea Party.

/who am I kidding, no one gets outraged over white guy, Asian woman
//well except Asian guys


Except other white guys envious because they are not in relationships with Asian women.
 
2012-07-24 12:19:00 PM

ronaprhys: You have to properly calculate the abominations to get to the proper order:

1 - co-habitating and not married? One sin, but if they got married the sin goes away.
2 - having children out of wedlock? Still the same sin as above, nothing really different. You do get a bit of extra flavor as it's setting a bad example for the kids, but the parents can get married and then the sin goes away.

1 - Ghei? Total abomination and a sin. Also, disgusting (assuming it's not hot women. If it's hot women then it's hot and to be encouraged, as long as they're bi and into the group thing)
2 - Adopting kids? Since it encourages an abomination as normal, bad juju. Especially since they can't get married and make the sin go away.

See? Ghei = totally worse.


Funny part is, even though you were just joking you totally nailed the general mindset of fundamentalist Christians on those issues.
 
2012-07-24 12:19:26 PM
Don't worry, we're talking about people who are enraged by the Girl Scouts, "Happy Holidays and the White House vegetable garden.

Conservatives have an endless supply of hatred to supply every manufactured "scandal".
 
2012-07-24 12:19:38 PM

KrispyKritter: less people give a damn than you think. they just don't care. don't care who you are, what your politics are and what your personal sex choice is. big deal. get over yourself.


*Offer not valid south of the Mason-Dixon Line
 
2012-07-24 12:20:00 PM
"miracles" > fabulousness?
 
2012-07-24 12:23:31 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: Honest Bender: Honestly, I think the institution of marriage is just losing ground. It would be better if any 2 humans could sign paperwork to just be considered legally a couple.

what if my cat signs an agreement with my dog.? could they have a Nickelodeon (tm) Cat Dog??


When any of your pets have the ability to sign their name and swear an oath to a government official you'll have a lot more issues to deal with than Dogs and Cats Living Together.
 
2012-07-24 12:25:32 PM

HailRobonia: ha-ha-guy: /who am I kidding, no one gets outraged over white guy, Asian woman

From my experience in Taiwan, there are two types who biatch about WGAW: Asian guys, and white women.


We were in East Texas at a Walmart (not like we had any other shopping options) and this morbidly obese white woman with at least three missing teeth asked me if I married my wife because I couldn't get a white woman. I just told her that I couldn't handle that much white woman and moved on be Jabba realized I called her fat.

Also this. The cornfed white women available in my locale had some attractive features, the problem is after 30 it is one hell of a crapshoot as to what you wake up next to. For me it's really really downhill after 60, but right we're in our late 40s and I'm enjoying the benefits of my choice.

/last year at Cedar Point's Guess your Age Booth they pegged my wife as 31
 
2012-07-24 12:25:43 PM
Conclusion:

Married women know how not to get pregnant unless they want to
Unmarried, cohabiting women can't get it right just over half the time, which is pretty stupid
Single women: farking stupid
 
2012-07-24 12:25:45 PM
Biblically speaking, I believe cohabitating couples ARE married. "Become one flesh"? That's Bible for "hooking up".

But when you do it with multiple partners, it becomes adultery.

Actually, Jesus was pretty clear about all this. And nowhere did he say "You can't have sex before your wedding ceremony!"
 
2012-07-24 12:35:43 PM

RabidRythmDivas: Biblically speaking, I believe cohabitating couples ARE married. "Become one flesh"? That's Bible for "hooking up".

But when you do it with multiple partners, it becomes adultery very cool if it's 1 guy with multiple women.

Actually, Jesus was pretty clear about all this. And nowhere did he say "You can't have sex before your wedding ceremony!"


FTFY

jaytkay: Don't worry, we're talking about people who are enraged by the Girl Scouts, "Happy Holidays and the White House vegetable garden.

Conservatives have an endless supply of hatred to supply every manufactured "scandal".


Meh - liberals are no different. They manufacture "scandals" all the time, just on the opposite end of the spectrum.
 
2012-07-24 12:35:43 PM

simusid: I've been cohabing w/ my "wire" for almost 30 years. MA does not recognize cohabitation, and around 1987 it was actually still illegal (max year in jail, $300 fine). We have 3 kids, house, assets, cars, stocks, health care coverage, all the usual middle class stuff and I'll be honest with you..... NOBODY cares about our marital status. Probably cuz we're a boring white couple.
I'mOkWithThat.jpg


just called the cops
cue track 6

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2012-07-24 12:37:20 PM
Unmarried couples aren't trying to change the definition of marriage, so Conservatives don't care.
 
2012-07-24 12:46:08 PM

KrispyKritter: less people give a damn than you think. they just don't care. don't care who you are, what your politics are and what your personal sex choice is. big deal. get over yourself.


unless you're a dude who lies with dudes or a butch lesbo, then people seem to give a damn strangely
 
2012-07-24 12:50:19 PM
Unmarried , cohabitating mom. Doing my part to piss off the religious right.
 
2012-07-24 12:52:50 PM

Harry Freakstorm: The bastards


Bravo, sir.
 
2012-07-24 12:55:14 PM
So how do you get the big tax credit then?
 
2012-07-24 12:57:23 PM
Personally I think this whole monogamy thing has been a foolish little adventure that the human species is not well evolved for. Sure we thought it was good back when we started inventing argiculture, but clearly the monogamy experiment is failing.

Has anyone here read Sex at Dawn: the Prehistoric Origins of Modern Sexuality? I like their ideas better than our current methods. Not sure how we could return to what worked so well for our ancestors, maybe a half-dozen adults living and raising kids togther, but I do think it's time to try something different.
 
2012-07-24 12:58:45 PM
Okay the scary thing about this article:

"The report also reveals more details about contraception. In 2008, for example, 19% of births were unintended; 36% of women who had an unintended birth said they didn't use contraception because they thought they couldn't get pregnant. But 23% of those women said they "didn't really mind if I got pregnant.""

Always use contraception!!!!

The problem isn't so much non-married couples having kids, it's people having children too young and deadbeat parents (not just men). (Better article: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/15/us/two-classes-in-america-divided-by -i-do.html?_r=2&hp&pagewanted=all)

The unmarried woman in the article did get screwed over by dating a deadbeat, BUT she's burdened with 3 kids now while the deadbeat gets off scott-free. They could have been married and the same thing would have happened.

Marriage is just a legal contract saying "Dear Government, we're more than just roommates. KTHXBI".

Having a kid with the wrong person is so much worse than marrying/living with them, without kids breaking up sucks and it's expensive, but after it's over you can move on with your life. With kids, you're stuck for life.

The crux of the problem is that abusive partners use kids as a reason to keep the other partner subdued and we need to make note of that in our sex ed classes (which shouldn't be abstinence-only and should include healthy relationships). It's a problem that will never go away but we can do our best to minimize it.

Also BC isn't just the girl's problem, man up and use a condom. 2 forms of protection is better than 1.
 
2012-07-24 01:01:59 PM

Saza: Personally I think this whole monogamy thing has been a foolish little adventure that the human species is not well evolved for. Sure we thought it was good back when we started inventing argiculture, but clearly the monogamy experiment is failing.


Failing for who? For some of us it's just fine. It's nice to check something off the list instead of just adding another - I have more important things to do.

I've married once and purchased one house - both things I am glad I don't have to go through the hassle of again.
 
2012-07-24 01:03:09 PM

ajax6677: Unmarried , cohabitating mom. Doing my part to piss off the religious right.



Trampy and proud of it. Enjoy the lack of alimony--50+% chance of a breakup, and all.
 
2012-07-24 01:04:12 PM
So far as I can tell, fundie conservatives are all about pumping out babies. Hence opposition to birth control, abortion, masturbation, and gays. Raising them well is totally secondary.
 
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