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2012-07-24 12:38:19 PM

Dr.Knockboots: Looking forward to some of the upcoming gun shows myself

/Colorado


I would imagine though the prices have also jumped massively in response. Those high demand times are an awesome way to up the prices and rake in the cash.
 
2012-07-24 12:38:39 PM

Monongahela Misfit: If Dumb Dumb the Red had been unable to acquire the firearms he used,


Illegal guns are always available. They're just illegal. They'll still kill you just as dead.

Two or three citizens returning fire would have terminated this incident very quickly.

Self-defense: Not relying on someone who's probably not there, and won't be for a while, to save your butt.
 
2012-07-24 12:39:49 PM
So James the red is a jobs creator. Better than congress.
 
2012-07-24 12:40:02 PM
Freakin morons! It's a .44 caliber, not a .43, and it only has a 15 bullet clip, not a 14. Its not as powerful as the .357, with the double bolt action revolver stock scope sight.

How any idiot can compare an AR-15 to a sawed off shotgun, with a .22, Smith and Wesson chrome plated soft targets with tear gas, and a jammed .432 Glock 9 with a pistol bird shot, is beyond me.

Guns are never the problem, but they are always the answer.
 
2012-07-24 12:40:25 PM

Galloping Galoshes: Bit'O'Gristle: /yes, because just cowering in your seat hoping not to get riddled by gunfire is MUCH better than being able to defend yourself and others.

I endorse this message. I like the ones that suggest you run. Last time I checked, you can't outrun a bullet.
I was always taught: run away from a knife, run toward a gun. If you can get inside of about 6 feet, you have a good chance. And throw anything you can reach in the gunman's face.

Of course, if you have a weapon and training, just pop him. From cover.


It's so easy in Modern Warfare 3! You're like 4th Prestige, right? You got this!
 
2012-07-24 12:40:36 PM
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2012-07-24 12:35:32 PM


Bit'O'Gristle: /yes, because just cowering in your seat hoping not to get riddled by gunfire is MUCH better than being able to defend yourself and others.

I endorse this message. I like the ones that suggest you run. Last time I checked, you can't outrun a bullet.
I was always taught: run away from a knife, run toward a gun. If you can get inside of about 6 feet, you have a good chance. And throw anything you can reach in the gunman's face.

Of course, if you have a weapon and training, just pop him. From cover.




Please. The average Farker is offended by the thought that anyone would ever do anything in a violent situation. "You're dreaming, internet tough guy!"
Faking Bruce Lee could be in a thread here and all he'd get are "ITG" hurled at him.
 
2012-07-24 12:40:43 PM
On a slightly different "perspective" note:

Colorado movie theater shooting (friday):
-- months or years of preparation
-- loads of expensive armaments
-- body count: 12
-- collateral damage: maybe some people will rethink visiting the theater for the next couple weeks

Coyote crash on highway 59 (sunday):
-- five seconds of negligence
-- single beat-up f150 worth about 500$
-- body count:14
-- collateral damage: shut down major shipping highway for several hours


Sideshow Bob wasn't even the most destructive individual criminal this weekend, and the other guy didn't need a gun or free time to top the body count. Real criminals are apparently more dangerous even without intending to be.

I guess no one cares, though. Maybe the victims don't count on account of being brown and looking for work.

//Alternate moral: obviously, we need to ban the use of automobiles by all non-law-enforcement personnel.
 
2012-07-24 12:40:47 PM

jayhawk88: OK, you know what? You want to pack heat at the library or supermarket? Fine. Go pass an FBI weapons training course. The same one they give to agents. You do it at your own cost too. If it's that damn important to you, if you really feel like your life is in danger every time you enter a Denny's, this should be no problem for you.


Fine. You miss the point, though. You don't need a firearm until you REALLY NEED IT.
I would be in favor of an annual training requirement. I don't want a bunch of folks running around with tools they don't know how to use, or are no longer proficient with.
 
2012-07-24 12:42:04 PM

jayhawk88: Galloping Galoshes: Bit'O'Gristle: /yes, because just cowering in your seat hoping not to get riddled by gunfire is MUCH better than being able to defend yourself and others.

I endorse this message. I like the ones that suggest you run. Last time I checked, you can't outrun a bullet.
I was always taught: run away from a knife, run toward a gun. If you can get inside of about 6 feet, you have a good chance. And throw anything you can reach in the gunman's face.

Of course, if you have a weapon and training, just pop him. From cover.

It's so easy in Modern Warfare 3! You're like 4th Prestige, right? You got this!


No, I'd probably crap my pants. But I'd still act. Better than being shot in the back.
 
2012-07-24 12:42:18 PM
Yeah, the gun control argument is weak. With the amount of planning this dipshiat did, far worse could be accomplished under similar pretenses using regular old gasoline in the exits and a barricaded emergency exit door.
 
2012-07-24 12:42:50 PM
So in other words, there's been a 41 percent increase in vigilante "hero" fantasies since Friday.

As others have already pointed out to anyone who will actually listen, even if there were people carrying in that theater it would have been incredibly irresponsible to begin firing back at the shooter and in the chaos they would have been more likely to hit an innocent victim rather than the intended target. Plus, do you really think your little pea shooter pistol would even make a dent in the guy's body armor?

/I own a gun and hope to hell I never have to even point it at another human, much less pull the trigger.
 
2012-07-24 12:43:31 PM

jayhawk88: OK, you know what? You want to pack heat at the library or supermarket? Fine. Go pass an FBI weapons training course. The same one they give to agents. You do it at your own cost too. If it's that damn important to you, if you really feel like your life is in danger every time you enter a Denny's, this should be no problem for you.


Oddly enough, some folks were randomly murdered during their meals by a maniac in a Denny's near me, and CCW permit in my neck of the woods is damned near impossible ... so come on and move over here, you'll probably think it's Paradise.
 
2012-07-24 12:43:54 PM

uttertosh: Bit'O'Gristle: I'm not surprised. I wish someone if not someones in that theater were carrying that night. The chances of innocent people getting shot in the crossfire would have been more than offset by the chances of a trained (range time) law abiding citizen throwing a few in the X ring of this douche's chest. Innocent people were dying anyway, and if i had been at that place at that time, i would have chosen to be able not only to defend myself and my family, but the other innocents there too. Better chance having a gun you can use than just cowering back in fear and waiting to get shot like a dog.

ITG


you'd have shiat your panties, choked on tear gas, got shot dead.


This. And Bit'O'Gristle: What if you are first one to get shot? So you will have no time to react. But wishful thinking is fun and you are a hero in your mind.
 
2012-07-24 12:44:16 PM

Galloping Galoshes: Monongahela Misfit: If Dumb Dumb the Red had been unable to acquire the firearms he used,

Illegal guns are always available. They're just illegal. They'll still kill you just as dead.

Two or three citizens returning fire would have terminated this incident very quickly.

Self-defense: Not relying on someone who's probably not there, and won't be for a while, to save your butt.


Two or three citizens returning fire in a dark, smoke filled room with dozens of people running scared would have resulted in more people dead. And once everything was over and they found out how many people were either wounded or killed as a result of friendly fire from "Real Men", there would be an even bigger call to restrict gun sells and CCW permits because this incident would have shown that regular citizens don't know how to properly handle themselves with guns in these situations.
 
2012-07-24 12:45:12 PM

Forced Perspective: Gun control is the theory that a dozen dead movie goers in a Colorado theater is morally and politically preferable to a live patron explaining to the police how James Holmes got shot.


Most of the theories of the extreme pro/anti - gun people seem to be based on fantasy scenarios - it's nothing new.
 
2012-07-24 12:45:16 PM

elffster: Bit'O'Gristle: uttertosh: Bit'O'Gristle: I'm not surprised. I wish someone if not someones in that theater were carrying that night. The chances of innocent people getting shot in the crossfire would have been more than offset by the chances of a trained (range time) law abiding citizen throwing a few in the X ring of this douche's chest. Innocent people were dying anyway, and if i had been at that place at that time, i would have chosen to be able not only to defend myself and my family, but the other innocents there too. Better chance having a gun you can use than just cowering back in fear and waiting to get shot like a dog.

ITG


you'd have shiat your panties, choked on tear gas, got shot dead.

/yes, because just cowering in your seat hoping not to get riddled by gunfire is MUCH better than being able to defend yourself and others.

You are nuts and you probably would have shot someone else. If you were a superhero, you would be Aquaman.


Some of you people are terrifyingly delusional. A dark theatre, people crowded into seats, a gas bomb goes off, people running everywhere, and you think that an armed civilian would have the skill and clarity of thought to somehow take out the madman with an automatic weapon? Not going to happen. It's these delusional thoughts of perceived heroism that keep real talk on gun control from progressing in this country. Situations in which a gun-carrying civilian saves the day from a madman are far, FAR outpaced by situations in which small children shoot themselves with their parents guns, or in which young males shoot up their schools or families.

I'm not saying that we need to ban guns entirely, nor are many pro-gun-control advocates. Instead, why don't we learn a thing from countries like Switzerland or Norway (sure, bring up the Norway mass killer, but he was an anomaly), where rates of gun possession are very high, yet rates of gun-related violence are very low. Require training and course refreshers, ban automatic weapons, require disassembly when in a private home - these are steps that can help cut back on gun violence while still giving you trigger-happy nuts that sense of security you crave.
 
2012-07-24 12:45:17 PM

Galloping Galoshes: Two or three citizens returning fire choking on tear gas, puking because of it, whilst not being able to see, would have terminated this incident their lives very quickly.


fixed for realism.

None of you responding with this ITG shiat have ever been subjected to tear gas, EVAR.

I have. The thing you are 'pulling' is your shirt over your mouth, nose and eyes. Trust me.
 
2012-07-24 12:46:01 PM
I woulda been all, like, firing at this clown with my concealed M60 from the hip, friggin' belts of ammo across my bare chest making Rambo look like a straight up pussy, yo! And the after the head shot and he's down? Yup...tea baggin' him...once for every person he harmed. Then I'd whip out my cock and piss into the smoking holes of his body left by my tracers lest the theater burn down and hurt anyone else.

Only because that's how I roll.
 
2012-07-24 12:46:06 PM
Since the Declaration of Inderpendance was written in the 17th century, I think 2nd amendment should apply only to weapons available at that time. Wanna bear arms? Here's your bow, your arrows, your sword, and your catapult. Now fark off.
 
2012-07-24 12:46:13 PM

Muta: I want to know when the gun owning community will start policing themselves to prevent nutjobs from getting guns and killing innocent people.


As I've stated elsewhere, the price of Freedom™ is the occasional massacre. The gun nuts will concede nothing.
 
2012-07-24 12:46:16 PM

brap: [i253.photobucket.com image 600x438]

Insane, Earthlings are. Never learn, they will. Hmmmmmm.


Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.
 
2012-07-24 12:46:18 PM
Look at it this way, he was a regular responsible gun owner until he shot 13 people and injured another 50-odd.
 
2012-07-24 12:47:41 PM

Antimatter: uttertosh: Bit'O'Gristle: I'm not surprised. I wish someone if not someones in that theater were carrying that night. The chances of innocent people getting shot in the crossfire would have been more than offset by the chances of a trained (range time) law abiding citizen throwing a few in the X ring of this douche's chest. Innocent people were dying anyway, and if i had been at that place at that time, i would have chosen to be able not only to defend myself and my family, but the other innocents there too. Better chance having a gun you can use than just cowering back in fear and waiting to get shot like a dog.

ITG


you'd have shiat your panties, choked on tear gas, got shot dead.

Bingo. Panicking crowd effect, plus the darkness, plus the teargas, plus his body armor means not a chance in hell of getting the shot off, and probably resulting in you killing a few innocence in the crossfire yourself.


Well fu(k, I can see his head!
 
2012-07-24 12:47:42 PM

Forced Perspective: Gun control is the theory that a dozen dead movie goers in a Colorado theater is morally and politically preferable to a live patron explaining to the police how James Holmes got shot.


but we don't have gun control, and yet here we are, yet again. funny that

excellent strawman tho
 
2012-07-24 12:48:32 PM

doubled99: Please. The average Farker is offended by the thought that anyone would ever do anything in a violent situation. "You're dreaming, internet tough guy!"
Faking Bruce Lee could be in a thread here and all he'd get are "ITG" hurled at him.



I refuse to believe that there are any average farkers.
 
2012-07-24 12:48:47 PM

Al_Ed: I woulda been all, like, firing at this clown with my concealed M60 from the hip, friggin' belts of ammo across my bare chest making Rambo look like a straight up pussy, yo! And the after the head shot and he's down? Yup...tea baggin' him...once for every person he harmed. Then I'd whip out my cock and piss into the smoking holes of his body left by my tracers lest the theater burn down and hurt anyone else.

Only because that's how I roll.


Yeah, but what if he respawns a minute later with a flamethrower?
 
2012-07-24 12:49:02 PM

jayhawk88: OK, you know what? You want to pack heat at the library or supermarket? Fine. Go pass an FBI weapons training course. The same one they give to agents. You do it at your own cost too. If it's that damn important to you, if you really feel like your life is in danger every time you enter a Denny's, this should be no problem for you.


Which of our other specifically-enumerated Constitutional rights should come with a similar requirement? Freedom of speech? Only if you take a government-sponsored and controlled course to teach you how to properly speak so as not to offend anyone. Right to vote? Only if you can demonstrate to a public authority that you've properly researched all of the relevant facts from approved sources.

Fact: one is free to act as one would like, but one must also pay the consequences if that injures another party.

Nil Tu Aris: Just curious - would it make any difference in debating the application of stricter gun laws in this context to know whether the shooter had a concealed carry permit?


Probably not. The incidence of folks who go through all the work and effort to get permits committing crimes is so low as to be negligible. Also, shooter appeared to be a nutbar.

soup: How about a mental health assessment for anyone looking to buy a firearm? Is that too much to ask? Background checks don't pick up crazy if crazy was never diagnosed.


How about a voter education quiz prior to casting a vote? Or a poll tax?
 
2012-07-24 12:49:02 PM

ongbok: Galloping Galoshes: Monongahela Misfit: If Dumb Dumb the Red had been unable to acquire the firearms he used,

Illegal guns are always available. They're just illegal. They'll still kill you just as dead.

Two or three citizens returning fire would have terminated this incident very quickly.

Self-defense: Not relying on someone who's probably not there, and won't be for a while, to save your butt.

Two or three citizens returning fire in a dark, smoke filled room with dozens of people running scared would have resulted in more people dead. And once everything was over and they found out how many people were either wounded or killed as a result of friendly fire from "Real Men", there would be an even bigger call to restrict gun sells and CCW permits because this incident would have shown that regular citizens don't know how to properly handle themselves with guns in these situations.


So what happens in this fantasy when the cops finally burst in and see you holding a gun with a smile on your face and a bunch of dead bodies on the ground? Are they going to assume you handled the situation or that you and the other vigilanties are perps #2-5.
 
2012-07-24 12:49:42 PM
Me? I'm always packing with my 9 in my pants. I'd all ninja behind him, crawl slowly. I always got my trusty gas mask with me too. Bam bam bam. Head shot. COD. Achievement unlocked mass murderer.
 
2012-07-24 12:50:08 PM

uttertosh: I have. The thing you are 'pulling' is your shirt over your mouth, nose and eyes. Trust me.


So have I. You can't see shiat. And it hurts like hell.
 
2012-07-24 12:50:47 PM

uttertosh: Bit'O'Gristle: I'm not surprised. I wish someone if not someones in that theater were carrying that night. The chances of innocent people getting shot in the crossfire would have been more than offset by the chances of a trained (range time) law abiding citizen throwing a few in the X ring of this douche's chest. Innocent people were dying anyway, and if i had been at that place at that time, i would have chosen to be able not only to defend myself and my family, but the other innocents there too. Better chance having a gun you can use than just cowering back in fear and waiting to get shot like a dog.

ITG


you'd have shiat your panties, choked on tear gas, got shot dead.


Not what you would have done, He means someone with balls... and welcome to the retard list.
 
2012-07-24 12:51:12 PM

elguerodiablo: So what happens in this fantasy when the cops finally burst in and see you holding a gun with a smile on your face and a bunch of dead bodies on the ground? Are they going to assume you handled the situation or that you and the other vigilanties are perps #2-5.


Well, in the fantasy you mention, i guess it would be worth it if you were able to stop the shooter from killing innocent people.
 
2012-07-24 12:51:26 PM
I see the 101st Chairborne Division is out in full force.

www.pursuingholiness.com
 
2012-07-24 12:52:05 PM

El Morro: From my interactions with other drivers, people's behavior at fast food restaurants, news interviews with the "man on the street", and the editorial pages of newspapers, I'd be happy if they made sure NONE of these morons is allowed to carry.

It reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Homer gets a gun and uses it to turn off the lights, open cans, etc.


Not surprising that your immediate reaction is to think about cartoons.
 
2012-07-24 12:52:28 PM

wookiee cookie: Forced Perspective: Gun control is the theory that a dozen dead movie goers in a Colorado theater is morally and politically preferable to a live patron explaining to the police how James Holmes got shot.

but we don't have gun control, and yet here we are, yet again. funny that

excellent strawman tho


Norway has gun control, and yet there they are.

Schools are gun-free zones, and yet they regularly have higher-count spree killings than almost any other location.

We have traffic laws, and yet our farmer's markets still aren't safe from old people.
 
2012-07-24 12:52:47 PM
ahh yes.. because the direct counter action to a 'former' law abiding citizen who legally purchase guns and then massacre a bunch of folks is to have even more citizens buy even more guns arming themselves to the teeth... yes makes perfect sense!!!
 
2012-07-24 12:52:53 PM

uttertosh: Bit'O'Gristle: uttertosh: Bit'O'Gristle: I'm not surprised. I wish someone if not someones in that theater were carrying that night. The chances of innocent people getting shot in the crossfire would have been more than offset by the chances of a trained (range time) law abiding citizen throwing a few in the X ring of this douche's chest. Innocent people were dying anyway, and if i had been at that place at that time, i would have chosen to be able not only to defend myself and my family, but the other innocents there too. Better chance having a gun you can use than just cowering back in fear and waiting to get shot like a dog.

ITG


you'd have shiat your panties, choked on tear gas, got shot dead.

/yes, because just cowering in your seat hoping not to get riddled by gunfire is MUCH better than being able to defend yourself and others.


except, IRL: you'd have shiat your panties, choked on tear gas, got shot dead.


I agree with that last one. I carry, and I've experienced tear gas. If I were in the theatre, the LAST thing I would've done would be to draw and fire. It's dark, there's confusing light sources (the screen), confusion, people darting this way and that. Add to this mix an incapacitating agent, and all someone'd do is add to the body count. Maybe if the dude were within spitting distance, I may have attempted, but other than that, I'd have been @ssh0les and elbows getting out of there too.

And yes, I consider myself well-trained, I have taken the FBI equivalent course and am an alternate on my club's PPC league, so I am not spewing ITG nonsense here.
 
2012-07-24 12:52:59 PM

GladGirl: Require training and course refreshers, ban automatic weapons, require disassembly when in a private home - these are steps that can help cut back on gun violence while still giving you trigger-happy nuts that sense of security you crave.


Automatic weapons have been tightly controlled since the NFA, and effectively outlawed since the 1986 FOPA.

If you don't know either of those two acronyms and what they do, then you should probably shut up.
 
2012-07-24 12:53:34 PM

Pockafrusta: uttertosh: Bit'O'Gristle: I'm not surprised. I wish someone if not someones in that theater were carrying that night. The chances of innocent people getting shot in the crossfire would have been more than offset by the chances of a trained (range time) law abiding citizen throwing a few in the X ring of this douche's chest. Innocent people were dying anyway, and if i had been at that place at that time, i would have chosen to be able not only to defend myself and my family, but the other innocents there too. Better chance having a gun you can use than just cowering back in fear and waiting to get shot like a dog.

ITG


you'd have shiat your panties, choked on tear gas, got shot dead.

Not what you would have done, He means someone with balls... and welcome to the retard list.


You know, from a debating point of view, that isn't a terribly convincing response. Are you asserting that a person blinded by teargas can see through their testicles? That would be cool - but my balls can't see a damn thing - blind as bats, they are.
 
2012-07-24 12:54:05 PM

ongbok: Two or three citizens returning fire in a dark, smoke filled room with dozens of people running scared would have resulted in more people dead. And once everything was over and they found out how many people were either wounded or killed as a result of friendly fire from "Real Men", there would be an even bigger call to restrict gun sells and CCW permits because this incident would have shown that regular citizens don't know how to properly handle themselves with guns in these situations.


So is your opposition limited to this incident or all CCW in general? Link
 
2012-07-24 12:54:42 PM

Fark It: GladGirl: Require training and course refreshers, ban automatic weapons, require disassembly when in a private home - these are steps that can help cut back on gun violence while still giving you trigger-happy nuts that sense of security you crave.

Automatic weapons have been tightly controlled since the NFA, and effectively outlawed since the 1986 FOPA.

If you don't know either of those two acronyms and what they do, then you should probably shut up.


I know! It's a .44 caliber, not a .43, and it only has a 15 bullet clip, not a 14. Its not as powerful as the .357, with the double bolt action revolver stock scope sight.

How any idiot can compare an AR-15 to a sawed off shotgun, with a .22, Smith and Wesson chrome plated soft targets with tear gas, and a jammed .432 Glock 9 with a pistol bird shot, is beyond me.
 
2012-07-24 12:54:59 PM

Pockafrusta: you'd have shiat your panties, choked on tear gas, got shot dead.

Not what you would have done, He means someone with balls... and welcome to the retard list.


A truly tough and determined person with a CCW would have been able to draw and fire and possibly realize that the shooter was wearing body armor before he died.

Really, these idiotic ITG posts just confirm every bad stereotype about gun owners. Stop making normal people look bad you childish morons.
 
2012-07-24 12:55:11 PM

Galloping Galoshes: Monongahela Misfit: If Dumb Dumb the Red had been unable to acquire the firearms he used,

Illegal guns are always available. They're just illegal. They'll still kill you just as dead.

Two or three citizens returning fire would have terminated this incident very quickly.


I call utter bullshiat on your claim. "Two or three citizens" firing their handguns at an armored gunman in a dark, smoke filled theater means inaccuracy, hitting other citizens, perhaps even firing at each other thinking there are two or more gunmen, and attracting the attention of the gunman to yourself. Unless you're 5' from him and he doesn't see you (doubtful since you're choking on tear gas and he isn't), you are a target. His body armor stops your rounds unless you get incredibly lucky and shoot him under the helmet or arm.

/all more guns in the theater would have done is up the body count
 
2012-07-24 12:56:14 PM

mallorn: People aren't buying guns because they suddenly think they could protect everyone in a situation like Aurora.

They're buying guns because they like guns and are worried that the fallout will limit accessibility. Stock up before it's illegal.


which is an even more ridicuous notion,.. the odds of this world running out of firearms or companies stop manufacturing them is about as good as roaches going extinct.
 
2012-07-24 12:56:28 PM
I carry a gun because cops are too heavy.

/Former LEO
//Expert marksmen
 
2012-07-24 12:56:32 PM

Galloping Galoshes: Two or three citizens returning fire would have terminated this incident very quickly.


How does law-abiding, gun-carrying, return-firing citizen #1 know that law-abiding, gun-carrying, return-firing citizen #2 isn't an accomplice in a crowded, dark, smoke-filled movie theater? Seems you are better off having exactly one law-abiding citizen in any room with a gun.
 
2012-07-24 12:57:01 PM

uttertosh: Bit'O'Gristle: I'm not surprised. I wish someone if not someones in that theater were carrying that night. The chances of innocent people getting shot in the crossfire would have been more than offset by the chances of a trained (range time) law abiding citizen throwing a few in the X ring of this douche's chest. Innocent people were dying anyway, and if i had been at that place at that time, i would have chosen to be able not only to defend myself and my family, but the other innocents there too. Better chance having a gun you can use than just cowering back in fear and waiting to get shot like a dog.

ITG


you'd have shiat your panties, choked on tear gas, got shot dead.


Screw that. I'd have shiat on someone else' panties. Because you know the gunman will stop, think to himself, 'what the fark is that sick pervert doing to that girl?' and then I'd escape in the confusion.
 
2012-07-24 12:57:02 PM

Galloping Galoshes: ongbok: Two or three citizens returning fire in a dark, smoke filled room with dozens of people running scared would have resulted in more people dead. And once everything was over and they found out how many people were either wounded or killed as a result of friendly fire from "Real Men", there would be an even bigger call to restrict gun sells and CCW permits because this incident would have shown that regular citizens don't know how to properly handle themselves with guns in these situations.

So is your opposition limited to this incident or all CCW in general? Link


He may not even be opposed to them. I am not opposed to CCWs. But I don't think they would have helped in this scenario. I don't think it's an argument for or against them.
 
2012-07-24 12:57:14 PM

Pockafrusta: and welcome to the retard list.


Welcome to the ITG spastik list of "Hey If I had been there at that place at that time, that shiat'd have gone down soooooooooooooooo freaking different, fo shizzle, dawg" self deluding total farking liars.
 
2012-07-24 12:57:27 PM
We need more George Zimmermans
 
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