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(Talking Points Memo)   "There have been no investigations or prosecutions of in-person voter fraud in Pennsylvania; and the parties do not have direct personal knowledge of any such investigations or prosecutions in other states"   (tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 112
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2012-07-24 08:48:25 AM
Anyone who supports this voter ID bullsh*t is either an unctuous, undemocratic elitist, or even worse, the stooge of one.

How there ever could have been a question to the motives of these laws escapes me. And certainly now, and by their own admission, it is quite plain on its face that these laws are not meant to stop voter fraud.
 
2012-07-24 08:51:20 AM
Sorry folks, that chicken's gotta get farked, facts be damned.
 
2012-07-24 09:17:03 AM
the PA state senator who authored the bill came right out and said that it would give the state to romney in the fall. he came right out and said it.

this isn't about voter fraud. this is about vote suppression.
 
2012-07-24 09:24:36 AM
My dad firmly believes that MILLIONS of illegal votes are cast in every single election. All for democrats, of course. Only for democrats. His response when pressed for any evidence, or even a single example, was "You can't prove it doesn't happen".

I've said it before, but here's the thing. My dad is a smart man. A really intelligent, quick-thinking fellow. He knows what burden of proof is. EXCEPT when it comes to uncritically repeating whatever the fark some crypto-racist republican pundit spouted on AM radio an hour ago.
 
2012-07-24 09:25:56 AM
 
2012-07-24 09:26:32 AM
But there could be some in some imaginary future, which is why we need to try to actively deny lean-Democratic groups from voting.
 
2012-07-24 09:29:46 AM
Remember folks, Voter fraud is as prevalent as you can imagine. That's right- if you can imagine 1 million illegal votes being cast, than it is true.
 
2012-07-24 09:35:30 AM

Dinki: Remember folks, Voter fraud is as prevalent as you can imagine. That's right- if you can imagine 1 million illegal votes being cast, than it is true.


I love the other one, too. "We're dealing with a menace so small it could be hiding anywhere."
 
2012-07-24 09:35:51 AM

Dinki: Remember folks, Voter fraud is as prevalent as you can imagine. That's right- if you can imagine 1 million illegal votes being cast, than it is true.


Yep. All you have to do is come up with a number you like. Then, turn on the radio or Fox News or read some conservative websites, and you'll find your number right there.
 
2012-07-24 09:45:44 AM

kingoomieiii: Dinki: Remember folks, Voter fraud is as prevalent as you can imagine. That's right- if you can imagine 1 million illegal votes being cast, than it is true.

I love the other one, too. "We're dealing with a menace so small it could be hiding anywhere."


The corollary to that is "Even one illegal vote is too many, because it disenfranchises a legitimate vote. Which is why we have to disenfranchise thousands through voter ID, to prevent that one".
 
2012-07-24 09:52:16 AM
No fraud?

OMFG THAT"S TOO MUCH FRAUD!! PASS LOTS OF LAWS QUICKLY!!
 
2012-07-24 10:01:25 AM
Could this perhaps be one of those fraudulent voters?

www.pbs.org
 
2012-07-24 10:02:34 AM
"Can't be havin' that thur ni-...sochalist in the white house, no surree. Best be disenfranchizin' voters oover it. Blud fer that thur blud gawd."

/Republicans: Focus on Voter Fraud, ignore our Election Fraud
//guaranteeing results since 2000
 
2012-07-24 10:02:36 AM
Voter fraud handed the presidency to Obama in 2008; it's only fair that Republicans play the same card to hand the presidency to Romney in 2012.
 
2012-07-24 10:05:07 AM

Serious Black: Voter fraud handed the presidency to Obama in 2008; it's only fair that Republicans play the same card to hand the presidency to Romney in 2012.


photos.imageevent.com
 
2012-07-24 10:05:54 AM
Last minute changes to voting policies have the sole intention of alienating poor, disabled, elderly, etc. voters. It is politically motivated and you are either a liar or idiot if you believe otherwise.

With that said there is nothing wrong with the laws....only the politically motivated timing. I expect there to be quite a bit of "oops my bad" issues that restrict votes from being counted and that these issues will have unusal concentrations in certain demographics.
 
2012-07-24 10:06:01 AM

Serious Black: Voter fraud handed the presidency to Obama in 2008; it's only fair that Republicans play the same card to hand the presidency to Romney in 2012.


0/10
 
2012-07-24 10:07:58 AM
The new law will allow Mitt Romney to win Pennsylvania, and that's all that matters.
 
2012-07-24 10:09:01 AM
Romney will buy the Presidency, of that there is no doubt, and he will rape the treasury, of that you can be certain, and America will be dead within a few years
 
2012-07-24 10:09:14 AM

Serious Black: Voter fraud handed the presidency to Obama in 2008; it's only fair that Republicans play the same card to hand the presidency to Romney in 2012.


This is what conservatives actually believe. Both that ACORN won the election for Obama AND that it justifies election fraud. Fark off and die.
 
2012-07-24 10:10:54 AM

hillbillypharmacist: Anyone who supports this voter ID bullsh*t is either an unctuous, undemocratic elitist, or even worse, the stooge of one.


Or a member of a diminishing group making a last gasp stab at maintaining the position of power they once took for granted.
//not saying that is right but it does appear to be a scenario + plus lots of stooges who are scared of people of color to help them along
 
2012-07-24 10:10:55 AM
Disenfranchisement is the aim, imaginary potential voter fraud is the excuse.
 
2012-07-24 10:11:07 AM
Voter ID laws = disenfranchisement and all the proof you need is that republicans wouldn't be taking it up as an issue if it wasn't
 
2012-07-24 10:11:40 AM
But don't you see, the very fact that there have been no convictions, prosecutions, or even investigations just brings into sharp focus the abject ease with which vote fraud occurs. This fact just underscores the need for these laws defending the integrity of our electoral processes.
 
2012-07-24 10:12:19 AM

Citrate1007: With that said there is nothing wrong with the laws.


Other than the fact that they disenfranchise voters, there is no legitimate reason for the laws, and the US has managed to survive 250 years without them.
 
2012-07-24 10:14:44 AM
"Voter ID, which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done."
 
2012-07-24 10:14:46 AM

Citrate1007: Serious Black: Voter fraud handed the presidency to Obama in 2008; it's only fair that Republicans play the same card to hand the presidency to Romney in 2012.

This is what conservatives actually believe. Both that ACORN won the election for Obama AND that it justifies election fraud. Fark off and die.


And that voter fraud is the ONLY possible explanation for any Democrat winning any election for any post anywhere in the US.
 
2012-07-24 10:14:50 AM
The parties should have read the NYT article from 2007.

132 cases with 90 something convictions.

And thats for something we do once every 4 years.....

If we had to vote everyday it would be on par with gun deaths.
 
2012-07-24 10:15:27 AM
trying to disenfranchise voters is the most un-American thing you can do.
it's fascism
 
2012-07-24 10:15:30 AM

FlashHarry: the PA state senator who authored the bill came right out and said that it would give the state to romney in the fall. he came right out and said it.

this isn't about voter fraud. this is about vote suppression.


No, no, no, no, no... You don't understand. He's not trying to disenfranchise anyone. You see... Any sane person would never, ever, vote for the islamomunist, therefore, if Fartbongo wins the state, it HAS to be due to voter fraud.

Why do you Libs always see racism everywhere?
 
2012-07-24 10:16:03 AM

kingoomieiii: My dad firmly believes that MILLIONS of illegal votes are cast in every single election. All for democrats, of course. Only for democrats. His response when pressed for any evidence, or even a single example, was "You can't prove it doesn't happen".

I've said it before, but here's the thing. My dad is a smart man. A really intelligent, quick-thinking fellow. He knows what burden of proof is. EXCEPT when it comes to uncritically repeating whatever the fark some crypto-racist republican pundit spouted on AM radio an hour ago.


Reminds me of this:

Guy 1: "God exists!"

Guy 2: "Ok, prove it."

Guy 1: "Prove that he doesn't!"

Guy 1: ("checkmate" look on face)

Guy 2: (cries for mankind)
 
2012-07-24 10:16:59 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "Voter ID, which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done."


Probably said that because to him the only stories of voter fraud usually involve democrats.

Chicago had over 1000 dead democrats voting last election.....how can you prosecute a dead person for voter fraud.
 
2012-07-24 10:19:03 AM

Serious Black: Voter fraud handed the presidency to Obama in 2008; it's only fair that Republicans play the same card to hand the presidency to Romney in 2012.


Man, I remember '08. My friends and I loaded up one of those party buses and we just went voting everywhere. The library, the YMCA, the community center, it didn't matter! We even voted in a McDonald's - hey, they have booths! - and somehow it counted. My friend Ben, he must have voted at least 50 times, he was an animal! At one point I cast like 10 votes straight, stopped, puked in a trash can, came back and just kept right on voting.

We wake up the next morning in the parking lot of a Home Depot, Obama's president and we've got stickers and chads and shiat all over us. Took us like an hour to clear the Democracy out of our heads enough for anyone to drive. We all texted an American Idol vote, that helped take the edge off, and went to go find an IHOP. Good times, good times.
 
2012-07-24 10:19:11 AM

Giltric: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "Voter ID, which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done."

Probably said that because to him the only stories of voter fraud usually involve democrats.

Chicago had over 1000 dead democrats voting last election.....how can you prosecute a dead person for voter fraud.


I'm going to have to ask for a citation on the 1000 dead democrats. Also, what was the margin of victory in said election?
 
2012-07-24 10:19:54 AM

kingoomieiii: My dad firmly believes that MILLIONS of illegal votes are cast in every single election. All for democrats, of course. Only for democrats. His response when pressed for any evidence, or even a single example, was "You can't prove it doesn't happen".


Actually, you can. Or at least you can come as close as statisticlly possible. If millions of people were voting under other peoples names in every election, then you'd have heard about it by now. You'd have the little old ladies running the voting booths getting people arrested for impersonating somebody they know personally. If voter fraud was occuring at anywhere near the amount of people who could be disenfranchised by these laws then you'd see more people getting caught by sheer chance.

It's as if your father is saying "You can't prove that you're allergic to peanuts, you've never eaten one to find out." You proper response would be "Yeah, but enough restaurants use peanut oil that I'd have had a reaction by now"
 
2012-07-24 10:20:23 AM
Small government - Practical solutions for non-existent problems.™
 
2012-07-24 10:20:33 AM

Giltric: The parties should have read the NYT article from 2007.

132 cases with 90 something convictions.

And thats for something we do once every 4 years.....

If we had to vote everyday it would be on par with gun deaths.


is that for actual voter fraud or voter registration violations?
and that's 90 out of 122 million people
it's infinitesimal and wouldn't be enough to sway any election.
 
2012-07-24 10:21:07 AM

Giltric: Chicago had over 1000 dead democrats voting last election.....how can you prosecute a dead person for voter fraud.


This isn't the 1930s.....
 
2012-07-24 10:22:08 AM

Giltric: The parties should have read the NYT article from 2007.

132 cases with 90 something convictions.

And thats for something we do once every 4 years.....

If we had to vote everyday it would be on par with gun deaths.


Giltric: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "Voter ID, which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done."

Probably said that because to him the only stories of voter fraud usually involve democrats.

Chicago had over 1000 dead democrats voting last election.....how can you prosecute a dead person for voter fraud.


Yeah, we are going to have to call BS on all that.
 
2012-07-24 10:22:23 AM

Hobodeluxe: Giltric: The parties should have read the NYT article from 2007.

132 cases with 90 something convictions.

And thats for something we do once every 4 years.....

If we had to vote everyday it would be on par with gun deaths.

is that for actual voter fraud or voter registration violations?
and that's 90 out of 122 million people
it's infinitesimal and wouldn't be enough to sway any election.


He's been quoted 0.0004% MANY times, but like a big fat PUSSY ("like" does not imply "is") he ignores it. Don't you, Giltric?
 
2012-07-24 10:22:50 AM

Serious Black: Voter fraud handed the presidency to Obama in 2008; it's only fair that Republicans play the same card to hand the presidency to Romney in 2012.


i was about to hit ignore, but i just read your profile, you magnificent bastard.
 
2012-07-24 10:23:21 AM

Serious Black: Voter fraud handed the presidency to Obama in 2008; it's only fair that Republicans play the same card to hand the presidency to Romney in 2012.


No, no, no, no. Obama stealing the 2008 election through voter fraud was just him being fair and balancing the fact that Bush won in 2000 by not having the votes counted at all. Everythings even now; Romney has no call to try to win through disenfranchisement.
 
2012-07-24 10:23:58 AM

Serious Black: Voter fraud handed the presidency to Obama in 2008; it's only fair that Republicans play the same card to hand the presidency to Romney in 2012.


www.ragetrolling.com
 
2012-07-24 10:26:28 AM

kingoomieiii: My dad firmly believes that MILLIONS of illegal votes are cast in every single election. All for democrats, of course. Only for democrats. His response when pressed for any evidence, or even a single example, was "You can't prove it doesn't happen".

I've said it before, but here's the thing. My dad is a smart man. A really intelligent, quick-thinking fellow. He knows what burden of proof is. EXCEPT when it comes to uncritically repeating whatever the fark some crypto-racist republican pundit spouted on AM radio an hour ago.


Smarts and feelings are trains that run on two different tracks. This is how propoganda controls people--it's not aimed at their logical skills, it's aimed at their sentiments.
 
2012-07-24 10:26:48 AM

qorkfiend: Giltric: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "Voter ID, which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done."

Probably said that because to him the only stories of voter fraud usually involve democrats.

Chicago had over 1000 dead democrats voting last election.....how can you prosecute a dead person for voter fraud.

I'm going to have to ask for a citation on the 1000 dead democrats. Also, what was the margin of victory in said election?


I couldn't get past the stupid in the bolded part to ask for a citation.
 
2012-07-24 10:27:15 AM
In before "those people should just get ID, why can't they?"

You know why? None of your farking business, that's why. Why, exactly, "should" someone have to go and get papers? What about the freedom to be anonymous?
 
2012-07-24 10:27:32 AM

qorkfiend: Giltric: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "Voter ID, which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done."

Probably said that because to him the only stories of voter fraud usually involve democrats.

Chicago had over 1000 dead democrats voting last election.....how can you prosecute a dead person for voter fraud.

I'm going to have to ask for a citation on the 1000 dead democrats. Also, what was the margin of victory in said election?


http://www.chicagonow.com/dennis-byrnes-barbershop/2012/02/about-1-8- m illion-dead-people-listed-as-active-voters/

http://www.kshb.com/generic/news/local_news/investigations/Grave-Conc e rns

all the articles refer to a study done by Pew. But the dead voting doesn;t seem to be unique...it happens all over.

Another article claimed 53k dead voters in florida......I wonder if they helped Bush win in 08.

margin of victory shouldn't matter. That sounds like you are looking for an excuse to ignore voting fraud.
 
2012-07-24 10:29:19 AM

coeyagi: Hobodeluxe: Giltric: The parties should have read the NYT article from 2007.

132 cases with 90 something convictions.

And thats for something we do once every 4 years.....

If we had to vote everyday it would be on par with gun deaths.

is that for actual voter fraud or voter registration violations?
and that's 90 out of 122 million people
it's infinitesimal and wouldn't be enough to sway any election.

He's been quoted 0.0004% MANY times, but like a big fat PUSSY ("like" does not imply "is") he ignores it. Don't you, Giltric?


Ahh no sorry I have you on ignore for lying and race baiting in a Trayvon thread....do you have an alt that doesn;t troll...maybe you should start to use that account.
 
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2012-07-24 10:29:31 AM

Giltric: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "Voter ID, which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done."

Probably said that because to him the only stories of voter fraud usually involve democrats.

Chicago had over 1000 dead democrats voting last election.....how can you prosecute a dead person for voter fraud.


Especially an imaginary dead person.
 
2012-07-24 10:29:41 AM
If we didn't have voter ID laws, the King of England could just walk in here any time he wants, and start voting for his preferred candidate. Do you want that? Huh? Do you?

Giltric: The parties should have read the NYT article from 2007. 132 cases with 90 something convictions, and thats for something we do once every 4 years.....

If we had to vote everyday it would be on par with gun deaths.


Is that 132 cases nationwide in a single election, 132 cases SINCE 2007, from a single state, a single district...define your numbers, dude.

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