If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Foreign Policy)   The NRA is too busy trying to export its agenda to other countries to address the real-life outcomes of that same agenda at home   (foreignpolicy.com) divider line 308
    More: Obvious, political agenda, no compromise, gun ownership, gun registry, small arms, end runs, overly broad, exports  
•       •       •

1312 clicks; posted to Politics » on 24 Jul 2012 at 8:47 AM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



308 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | » | Last | Show all
 
2012-07-24 08:52:19 AM
BS headline there, stubby.
 
2012-07-24 08:57:23 AM
How'd that protectionist fantasy of banning guns work out subby?

Oh that's right. The theater in Aurora bans guns, but for some reason the shooter didn't obey the sign. But all the normal people that were no threat to anyone did, so no one could do anything about it when the whack job opened fire.
 
2012-07-24 08:57:39 AM
I thought the NRA was pro-Fast&Furious. After all, they are for putting guns into the hands of every person without any restrictions.
 
2012-07-24 08:58:00 AM
Any surprise that the journal of the Rockefellers and the Trilateral Commission is anti-gun?
 
2012-07-24 08:58:55 AM

the_foo: Oh that's right. The theater in Aurora bans guns, but for some reason the shooter didn't obey the sign. But all the normal people that were no threat to anyone did, so no one could do anything about it when the whack job opened fire.


Everyone knows Joe Six Pack can see in the dark, through tear gas, through all the people panicking, and be able to line up a shot that would have hit a weak spot in his armor without accidentally hitting an innocent.
 
2012-07-24 08:58:59 AM

the_foo: How'd that protectionist fantasy of banning guns work out subby?

Oh that's right. The theater in Aurora bans guns, but for some reason the shooter didn't obey the sign. But all the normal people that were no threat to anyone did, so no one could do anything about it when the whack job opened fire.


Honest question, not snark. How many documented cases are there in the US of private citizens stopping a crazed gunman that is shooting at people? Or committing a robbery?
 
2012-07-24 08:59:45 AM
I Like the NRA
 
2012-07-24 08:59:50 AM
The NRA can kiss my grits. I've had more than one dinner-time phone call telling me that unless I send money to the NRA, the UN is going to come take away my guns.

/Collects and shoots historical rifles
//Figuring out to recreate historically accurate ammo is an interesting puzzle
 
2012-07-24 09:02:29 AM

the_foo: How'd that protectionist fantasy of banning guns work out subby?

Oh that's right. The theater in Aurora bans guns, but for some reason the shooter didn't obey the sign. But all the normal people that were no threat to anyone did, so no one could do anything about it when the whack job opened fire.


I agree. The only thing that could have saved those people is panicked crossfire through a smokey, packed theatre.
 
2012-07-24 09:03:38 AM

What are you talking about, silly Foreign Policy dork? They've got this guy handling their stateside PR and he's doing a bang-up job.

i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-07-24 09:03:41 AM
After the past week, I wish that theater HAD been full of Internet Tough Guy commandos packing heat. Either way, the story has a happier ending.
 
2012-07-24 09:04:25 AM
I would like the NRA to address the issue of gun violence. Where is their support for mental health access? Where are their studies on how to identify potential perpetrators and prevent such tragedies. If they want a well-armed society, then they must step-up and also address the horrific toll on human lives.
 
2012-07-24 09:04:32 AM
The National Rifle Association issued only one response to the shootings at an Aurora, Colorado, multiplex. On Friday, the flag at the firearms rights group's northern Virginia headquarters was lowered to half mast. And that was that -- no more on the story until "more information" was available.

It was classy and clipped-


Not so much. More like aware that spewing pro-gun talking points before bodies were even in the ground was a political loser. They learned at least that much from Columbine. Also worth consideration is the fact that the NRA bobbleheads in the GOP hit the ground running covering those same talking points the same day the shooting happened making any additional statements by the NRA proper redundant.

That all noted, the fact that the NRA talking points are now, apparently, showing up verbatim in places like Brazil in order to dissuade people from supporting gun control laws *is* rather disheartening.

The fact that the NRA = GOP = FOX is evident in the piece as well.
 
2012-07-24 09:04:59 AM
I don't have any problem with guns.
I do have a problem with the NRA.
 
2012-07-24 09:05:12 AM

moistD: Honest question, not snark. How many documented cases are there in the US of private citizens stopping a crazed gunman that is shooting at people? Or committing a robbery?


Stories like that are printed every month in American Rifleman. Yes, it's the magazine of the NRA, but they are gleaned and collated from other news sources.

Lost Thought 00: I thought the NRA was pro-Fast&Furious. After all, they are for putting guns into the hands of every person without any restrictions.


2/10. Not even a decent attempt.
 
2012-07-24 09:05:33 AM

moistD: the_foo: How'd that protectionist fantasy of banning guns work out subby?

Oh that's right. The theater in Aurora bans guns, but for some reason the shooter didn't obey the sign. But all the normal people that were no threat to anyone did, so no one could do anything about it when the whack job opened fire.

Honest question, not snark. How many documented cases are there in the US of private citizens stopping a crazed gunman that is shooting at people? Or committing a robbery?


There was an instance recently with that old man chasing those robbers. However, if you look at how many shots he fired, one 1 hit someone. ONLY 1. The rest of those bullets had the possibility of harming many others and everyone's very lucky they weren't hit. When people are in a panic, they fire wildly and their accuracy is terrible.
 
2012-07-24 09:08:28 AM

StrikitRich: Any surprise that the journal of the Rockefellers and the Trilateral Commission is anti-gun?


You forgot the Queen, the Vatican, the Gettys and Colonel Sanders.
 
2012-07-24 09:09:08 AM

HellRaisingHoosier: I don't have any problem with guns.
I do have a problem with the NRA.

 
2012-07-24 09:09:47 AM
moistD: Honest question, not snark. How many documented cases are there in the US of private citizens stopping a crazed gunman that is shooting at people? Or committing a robbery?

http://thearmedcitizen.com/ has links to lots of news stories. Compiled statistics are pretty hard to come by
 
2012-07-24 09:09:54 AM

the_foo: How'd that protectionist fantasy of banning guns work out subby?

Oh that's right. The theater in Aurora bans guns, but for some reason the shooter didn't obey the sign. But all the normal people that were no threat to anyone did, so no one could do anything about it when the whack job opened fire.


There, there. Let it all out. What was it that scarred you? Did a threatening non-white take something of yours? Has your girlfriend/wife stopped faking like she can feel anything when it's in? Did your girlfriend/wife leave you for a well hung non-white?
 
2012-07-24 09:09:55 AM

StrikitRich: moistD: Honest question, not snark. How many documented cases are there in the US of private citizens stopping a crazed gunman that is shooting at people? Or committing a robbery?

Stories like that are printed every month in American Rifleman. Yes, it's the magazine of the NRA, but they are gleaned and collated from other news sources.

Lost Thought 00: I thought the NRA was pro-Fast&Furious. After all, they are for putting guns into the hands of every person without any restrictions.

2/10. Not even a decent attempt.


I don't subscribe to that magazine, so I googled it and everything that came up was related to one crime stopped in Seattle. Care to link some more examples?
 
2012-07-24 09:10:43 AM

TIKIMAN87: I Like the NRAightlife. I got to Boogey...


FTFLulz.
 
2012-07-24 09:10:46 AM
Obama has done absolutely nothing to step up gun control. UN treaties, even if signed and ratified, are routinely ignored. Nobody is going to take your guns away. You're not being victimized. Put the poorly-spelled sign down, seek treatment for your persecution complex, and FFS stop getting all your news from Fox and Rush Limbaugh.
 
2012-07-24 09:11:42 AM

cfletch13: moistD: the_foo: How'd that protectionist fantasy of banning guns work out subby?

Oh that's right. The theater in Aurora bans guns, but for some reason the shooter didn't obey the sign. But all the normal people that were no threat to anyone did, so no one could do anything about it when the whack job opened fire.

Honest question, not snark. How many documented cases are there in the US of private citizens stopping a crazed gunman that is shooting at people? Or committing a robbery?

There was an instance recently with that old man chasing those robbers. However, if you look at how many shots he fired, one 1 hit someone. ONLY 1. The rest of those bullets had the possibility of harming many others and everyone's very lucky they weren't hit. When people are in a panic, they fire wildly and their accuracy is terrible.


This. There are very few people that are able to fire accurately under high stress situations. Going to the range and shooting at targets all day does not prepare you for shooting at a moving target in real life under a stress situation.
 
2012-07-24 09:12:46 AM
What TFA doesn't really grasp is that the NRA is looking at the idea of restricting international transfers and seeing a possible way to slow down or mostly stop transfer of arms from overseas into the United States. Naturally, they'd have a problem with that. And it's not just the United States: Even if the US doesn't sign on to the treaty, if a bunch of other nations do they can essentially force the US into compliance by not allowing transfers to or from their respective nations that don't comply with the conditions of the treaty.

That might be good for domestic firearms manufacturers, as they could then increase production and diversify their products, but that would raise the cost of firearms overall, and the NRA is a *USERS* group, not a manufacturers group*. That would make it harder for NRA members to buy guns by raising the cost, so the NRA would be against it.

When you realize that the NRA is a single-issue users group, all of their actions make perfect sense. If you think they are a front for the gun industry, or for the Republican party, then you have a deep misunderstanding of their motivations.

Full disclosure: I was an NRA member for 2 or 3 years in the mid-to-late 1990's. Haven't been since then.

*The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) is the lobbying group for firearms manufacturers, not the NRA. They usually agree on issues, but not always, and the NRA isn't afraid to take on the manufacturers when they do something perceived as bad for gun owners (see: Smith and Wesson agreement).
 
2012-07-24 09:13:09 AM

the_foo: moistD: Honest question, not snark. How many documented cases are there in the US of private citizens stopping a crazed gunman that is shooting at people? Or committing a robbery?

http://thearmedcitizen.com/ has links to lots of news stories. Compiled statistics are pretty hard to come by


thanks
 
2012-07-24 09:13:24 AM
1: Banning guns won't do shiat.

2: Despite some kneejerk responses, the American left has generally softened its stance on gun control in the last two decades.

3: No, the tragedy wouldn't have been averted if someone else in the theater had a gun, you stupid fark. It probably would have resulted in more people dying because of the dark, crowded location, the armored shooter, the use of tear gas, and the fact that most people in stressful situations aren't freaking Deadshot.
 
2012-07-24 09:13:43 AM

cfletch13: There was an instance recently with that old man chasing those robbers. However, if you look at how many shots he fired, one 1 hit someone. ONLY 1. The rest of those bullets had the possibility of harming many others and everyone's very lucky they weren't hit. When people are in a panic, they fire wildly and their accuracy is terrible.


chasing the robbers out of the building, while firing wildly and stopping only to shoot at the one laying on the ground
 
2012-07-24 09:13:59 AM
Over here in Australia we have the shooter and fishers party which is paid for by the NRA and they have just managed to get hunting made legal in national parks in NSW which nobody needed. I don't know why we need the lobby group for small arms manufacturers operating here in Australia, particularly when they so blatantly lied about the effects of the successful gun buyback scheme.
 
2012-07-24 09:14:14 AM

imontheinternet: Obama has done absolutely nothing to step up gun control. UN treaties, even if signed and ratified, are routinely ignored. Nobody is going to take your guns away. You're not being victimized. Put the poorly-spelled sign down, seek treatment for your persecution complex, and FFS stop getting all your news from Fox and Rush Limbaugh.


Also this. I can't wait to see what gun & ammo prices are after President Obama is reelected. I am hoping that there isn't a run like last time since I want to pick up a nice new 1911 to do competitions with.
 
2012-07-24 09:14:14 AM

Graffito: I would like the NRA to address the issue of gun violence. Where is their support for mental health access? Where are their studies on how to identify potential perpetrators and prevent such tragedies. If they want a well-armed society, then they must step-up and also address the horrific toll on human lives.


Psychos will find a way to kill no matter the law. Mcveigh killed quite a few without firing a bullet. The psycho in question had explosives in his apartment. Adding law after law to guns will not stop violence. You are asking for laws harping on the vast majority for the actions of very few. Are you going to ask to ban swimming next? Multiple deaths a day from that.
 
2012-07-24 09:14:38 AM
The purpose of the NRA is to promote the sales of guns and ammunition through stoking fear in the population.
 
2012-07-24 09:15:01 AM

Bloody William: 3: No, the tragedy wouldn't have been averted if someone else in the theater had a gun, you stupid fark. It probably would have resulted in more people dying because of the dark, crowded location, the armored shooter, the use of tear gas, and the fact that most people in stressful situations aren't freaking Deadshot


if only The Libs hadn't banned concealed NVG carry
 
2012-07-24 09:15:38 AM

the_foo: How'd that protectionist fantasy of banning guns work out subby?

Oh that's right. The theater in Aurora bans guns, but for some reason the shooter didn't obey the sign. But all the normal people that were no threat to anyone did, so no one could do anything about it when the whack job opened fire.


We all have fantasies. Some people like going "pew-pew" against bad guys, some people like wonky legislation.
 
2012-07-24 09:15:46 AM

imontheinternet: Obama has done absolutely nothing to step up gun control. UN treaties, even if signed and ratified, are routinely ignored. Nobody is going to take your guns away. You're not being victimized. Put the poorly-spelled sign down, seek treatment for your persecution complex, and FFS stop getting all your news from Fox and Rush Limbaugh.



Romney might. As a Brady bill supporter and a governor who signed a permanent assault weapon ban, there is some risk he would continue that policy if he got elected.
 
2012-07-24 09:16:49 AM

cfletch13: the_foo: How'd that protectionist fantasy of banning guns work out subby?

Oh that's right. The theater in Aurora bans guns, but for some reason the shooter didn't obey the sign. But all the normal people that were no threat to anyone did, so no one could do anything about it when the whack job opened fire.

I agree. The only thing that could have saved those people is panicked crossfire through a smokey, packed theatre.


Yes, because all gun owners are knuckle-dragging morons who will start shooting blindly any time they're startled, regardless of whether or not they can see their target.

Better to cower in fear and let the madman slaughter as many people as he likes.

(You do realize teargas takes time to spread, right? And that since the gunman was in the front of the theater, there would be a giant light called a "projector" shining on him?)
 
2012-07-24 09:17:10 AM

Bloody William: 2: Despite some kneejerk responses, the American left has generally softened its stance on gun control in the last two decades.


That's because the new left is somewhere to the right of Richard Nixon as evidenced by their poster boy president's governance.
The "hippie" boomers are the new fascists.
 
2012-07-24 09:17:26 AM

the_foo: How'd that protectionist fantasy of banning guns work out subby?

Oh that's right. The theater in Aurora bans guns, but for some reason the shooter didn't obey the sign. But all the normal people that were no threat to anyone did, so no one could do anything about it when the whack job opened fire.


Somebody's got a protectionist fantasy, but it isn't subby.
 
2012-07-24 09:17:33 AM

HellRaisingHoosier: I don't have any problem with guns.
I do have a problem with the NRA.


I look forward to a day when the NRA finally recognizes that its greatest enemy isn't gun control supporters, it's people like James Holmes.

Sadly, I don't think that day will ever come.
 
2012-07-24 09:17:51 AM

MyRandomName: Graffito: I would like the NRA to address the issue of gun violence. Where is their support for mental health access? Where are their studies on how to identify potential perpetrators and prevent such tragedies. If they want a well-armed society, then they must step-up and also address the horrific toll on human lives.

Psychos will find a way to kill no matter the law. Mcveigh killed quite a few without firing a bullet. The psycho in question had explosives in his apartment. Adding law after law to guns will not stop violence. You are asking for laws harping on the vast majority for the actions of very few. Are you going to ask to ban swimming next? Multiple deaths a day from that.


when a guy manages to mass drown people, I'll stop saying you're an idiot
 
2012-07-24 09:18:40 AM

fracto73: imontheinternet: Obama has done absolutely nothing to step up gun control. UN treaties, even if signed and ratified, are routinely ignored. Nobody is going to take your guns away. You're not being victimized. Put the poorly-spelled sign down, seek treatment for your persecution complex, and FFS stop getting all your news from Fox and Rush Limbaugh.


Romney might. As a Brady bill supporter and a governor who signed a permanent assault weapon ban, there is some risk he would continue that policy if he got elected.


This is what kills me. Who does the NRA support? Yea, go ahead and try and tell me that they aren't another republican organization. And throwing money at Dems when they are in power doesn't mean they support Dems.
 
MFK
2012-07-24 09:18:51 AM
who the fark are these people who see all of this violence and death and their only solution is MOAR GUNS!
 
2012-07-24 09:19:04 AM

nigeman: MyRandomName: Graffito: I would like the NRA to address the issue of gun violence. Where is their support for mental health access? Where are their studies on how to identify potential perpetrators and prevent such tragedies. If they want a well-armed society, then they must step-up and also address the horrific toll on human lives.

Psychos will find a way to kill no matter the law. Mcveigh killed quite a few without firing a bullet. The psycho in question had explosives in his apartment. Adding law after law to guns will not stop violence. You are asking for laws harping on the vast majority for the actions of very few. Are you going to ask to ban swimming next? Multiple deaths a day from that.

when a guy manages to mass drown people, I'll stop saying you're an idiot


So you missed the whole mcveigh thing? When you develop even a modicum of intelligence we can talk.
 
2012-07-24 09:19:28 AM

the_foo: (You do realize teargas takes time to spread, right? And that since the gunman was in the front of the theater, there would be a giant light called a "projector" shining on him?)


holy shiat, I wonder if this will be the dumbest thing I read on the internet all day?
 
2012-07-24 09:19:41 AM

space_cowgirl: HellRaisingHoosier: I don't have any problem with guns.
I do have a problem with the NRA.

I look forward to a day when the NRA finally recognizes that its greatest enemy isn't gun control supporters, it's people like James Holmes.

Sadly, I don't think that day will ever come.


I look forward to the death of Wayne LaPierre from having his Thai ladyboy be a little too aggressive with the ball gag. Sadly, I think my scenario is more likely to happen than yours.
 
2012-07-24 09:20:09 AM

moistD: I don't subscribe to that magazine, so I googled it and everything that came up was related to one crime stopped in Seattle. Care to link some more examples?


The Armed Citizen

It's not an NRA blog per se, but one that collects and links to news articles about armed citizens protecting themselves against criminals. It's been on hiatus for over a year now due to the (now defunct) copyright troll Righthaven, but you can look back and see previous entries.
 
2012-07-24 09:21:01 AM

Jackson Herring: the_foo: (You do realize teargas takes time to spread, right? And that since the gunman was in the front of the theater, there would be a giant light called a "projector" shining on him?)

holy shiat, I wonder if this will be the dumbest thing I read on the internet all day?


I don't know if I missed that the first time, but yep, that is going to be the dumbest thing I will read today.
 
2012-07-24 09:21:55 AM

MyRandomName: nigeman: MyRandomName: Graffito: I would like the NRA to address the issue of gun violence. Where is their support for mental health access? Where are their studies on how to identify potential perpetrators and prevent such tragedies. If they want a well-armed society, then they must step-up and also address the horrific toll on human lives.

Psychos will find a way to kill no matter the law. Mcveigh killed quite a few without firing a bullet. The psycho in question had explosives in his apartment. Adding law after law to guns will not stop violence. You are asking for laws harping on the vast majority for the actions of very few. Are you going to ask to ban swimming next? Multiple deaths a day from that.

when a guy manages to mass drown people, I'll stop saying you're an idiot

So you missed the whole mcveigh thing? When you develop even a modicum of intelligence we can talk.


So your argument is that because we can't prevent everything, we shouldn't try to prevent anything?
 
2012-07-24 09:23:18 AM

dlp211: fracto73: imontheinternet: Obama has done absolutely nothing to step up gun control. UN treaties, even if signed and ratified, are routinely ignored. Nobody is going to take your guns away. You're not being victimized. Put the poorly-spelled sign down, seek treatment for your persecution complex, and FFS stop getting all your news from Fox and Rush Limbaugh.


Romney might. As a Brady bill supporter and a governor who signed a permanent assault weapon ban, there is some risk he would continue that policy if he got elected.

This is what kills me. Who does the NRA support? Yea, go ahead and try and tell me that they aren't another republican organization. And throwing money at Dems when they are in power doesn't mean they support Dems.


What, you mean like endorsing Democrats over Republicans when the Democrat has the better record on gun issues? Stuff like that? Because they most certainly do that.
 
2012-07-24 09:23:22 AM

MyRandomName: Graffito: I would like the NRA to address the issue of gun violence. Where is their support for mental health access? Where are their studies on how to identify potential perpetrators and prevent such tragedies. If they want a well-armed society, then they must step-up and also address the horrific toll on human lives.

Psychos will find a way to kill no matter the law. Mcveigh killed quite a few without firing a bullet. The psycho in question had explosives in his apartment. Adding law after law to guns will not stop violence. You are asking for laws harping on the vast majority for the actions of very few. Are you going to ask to ban swimming next? Multiple deaths a day from that.


Reread my post. I make no mention of laws. I am asking for the NRA to step up and address the issue of mentally ill people committing mass murder with guns. Are you suggesting that events like those in Colorado are something that the rest of us just have to live with? What is the NRA doing to address this problem?
 
Displayed 50 of 308 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report