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(Austin Statesman)   Republicans announce naked aggression against the working-poor by fighting for tax cuts for the richest Americans at the expense of people who don't donate to their campaigns   (statesman.com) divider line 82
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2012-07-24 01:07:10 AM
Also:

"Democrats announce naked aggression against the wealthy by fighting for tax cuts for the deadbeat Americans at the expense of people who don't donate to their campaigns."

/goes both ways.
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2012-07-24 01:13:33 AM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: /goes both ways.


We don't care about your sexual preferences.

/NTTAWWT
 
2012-07-24 01:40:56 AM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: Also:

"Democrats announce naked aggression against the wealthy by fighting for tax cuts for the deadbeat Americans at the expense of people who don't donate to their campaigns."

/goes both ways.


You're calling the middle class deadbeats? My my aren't we cynical.
 
2012-07-24 09:00:32 AM
Wow...dumbest post I've seen on Fark in a long time and he did it right out of the gate.
 
2012-07-24 09:05:39 AM

Howie Spankowitz: Wow...dumbest post I've seen on Fark in a long time and he did it right out of the gate.


Yeah. If that Boobies was any more stupid, Hugh Hefner would marry it.
 
2012-07-24 09:21:12 AM

Howie Spankowitz: Wow...dumbest post I've seen on Fark in a long time and he did it right out of the gate.


Check out the other greenlit politics threads in the queue, that one doesn't even scratch the surface.
 
2012-07-24 09:35:10 AM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: Also:

"Democrats announce naked aggression against the wealthy by fighting for tax cuts for the deadbeat Americans at the expense of people who don't donate to their campaigns."

/goes both ways.


No, not really at all but doucheness achieved.
 
2012-07-24 09:38:33 AM

Jackson Herring: Howie Spankowitz: Wow...dumbest post I've seen on Fark in a long time and he did it right out of the gate.

Check out the other greenlit politics threads in the queue, that one doesn't even scratch the surface.


Yeah. You have no idea what level of trolliishness I am capable of.
 
2012-07-24 09:43:58 AM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: Yeah. You have no idea what level of trolliishness I am capable of.


Thank you for just admitting you've nothing worthwhile to contribute and your sole purpose is teh trolling. I appreciate the honesty.

Off to ignore-land with you.


In other news, we're just openly declaring war on the poor?
 
2012-07-24 09:54:42 AM
Republicans and naked in the same sentence? I clearly didn't think this all the way through.
 
2012-07-24 09:56:04 AM
Naked aggression is the best kind of aggression.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-07-24 10:00:03 AM

unlikely: FlyingLizardOfDoom: Yeah. You have no idea what level of trolliishness I am capable of.

Thank you for just admitting you've nothing worthwhile to contribute and your sole purpose is teh trolling. I appreciate the honesty.

Off to ignore-land with you.


In other news, we're just openly declaring war on the poor?


That might have been news in about 1929.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-07-24 10:01:26 AM

NewportBarGuy: Republicans and naked in the same sentence? I clearly didn't think this all the way through.


Call it wide stance aggression if that makes you feel better.
 
2012-07-24 10:15:36 AM
*reads article*

y'know...sometimes I wonder if i'm the only one who isn't sleepwalking through life. Think about it for a moment - set aside party affiliation for a second and consider the implications of this story and what it implies about the state of the Union. Not very good, is it? Historically speaking this HAS happened before. oh our details are different...but the broad outline is the same: rich and politically powerful elites gathering more and more political and economic power under their banner, an underclass thats getting poorer with each election cycle and feeling more and more desperate every year. institutions are becoming corrupt and weak (the churches embroiled in sex scandals and/or political fundraising, families are shattering/becoming divided, jobs draining away overseas, proliferation of a 'f*ck you I got mine' self gratification culture). A government that's fearful and paranoid of its citizens. weak economy. people are starting to pay lip service to the idea of 'nation and country' - the tea party talks constantly of secession, most people don't care what our leaders to anymore, feeling largely disconnected from their nation and wanting to just get through to the weekend.

All the ingredients are there. all we need is someone to light a fire under us and build up a head of steam and we'll implode.
 
2012-07-24 10:19:59 AM

Weaver95: All the ingredients are there. all we need is someone to light a fire under us and build up a head of steam and we'll implode.


Yeah but this time there's more in the mix. We have houses that we don't really own but don't want to lose. We have cars we don't really own but don't want to lose. We like our watch-football-on-sunday way of life, and everything is just balanced enough that you can still reasonably convince most people they've more to lose than to gain by getting uppity.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-07-24 10:23:40 AM

Weaver95: *reads article*

y'know...sometimes I wonder if i'm the only one who isn't sleepwalking through life. Think about it for a moment - set aside party affiliation for a second and consider the implications of this story and what it implies about the state of the Union. Not very good, is it? Historically speaking this HAS happened before. oh our details are different...but the broad outline is the same: rich and politically powerful elites gathering more and more political and economic power under their banner, an underclass thats getting poorer with each election cycle and feeling more and more desperate every year. institutions are becoming corrupt and weak (the churches embroiled in sex scandals and/or political fundraising, families are shattering/becoming divided, jobs draining away overseas, proliferation of a 'f*ck you I got mine' self gratification culture). A government that's fearful and paranoid of its citizens. weak economy. people are starting to pay lip service to the idea of 'nation and country' - the tea party talks constantly of secession, most people don't care what our leaders to anymore, feeling largely disconnected from their nation and wanting to just get through to the weekend.

All the ingredients are there. all we need is someone to light a fire under us and build up a head of steam and we'll implode.


That's pretty much the state of affairs in most countries. That's why we are were better off than most, we have had less of that.
 
2012-07-24 10:33:43 AM
ts3.mm.bing.net
the GOP logic makes my head assplode
 
2012-07-24 10:35:05 AM

unlikely: Weaver95: All the ingredients are there. all we need is someone to light a fire under us and build up a head of steam and we'll implode.

Yeah but this time there's more in the mix. We have houses that we don't really own but don't want to lose. We have cars we don't really own but don't want to lose. We like our watch-football-on-sunday way of life, and everything is just balanced enough that you can still reasonably convince most people they've more to lose than to gain by getting uppity.


but we're reaching a tipping point....people are finding that lifestyle difficult to maintain.
 
2012-07-24 10:35:39 AM

Bloody William: Howie Spankowitz: Wow...dumbest post I've seen on Fark in a long time and he did it right out of the gate.

Yeah. If that Boobies was any more stupid, Hugh Hefner would marry it.


Okay, that was beautiful.
 
2012-07-24 10:35:54 AM
It's not class warfare when they do it.
 
2012-07-24 10:36:28 AM
Frank VanderSloot was one of eight Republican donors named on Obama's enemies list this past April. Fast forward a few months, and Mr. VanderSloot suddenly finds himself in the middle of two different audits from the federal government. Google it.
 
2012-07-24 10:36:50 AM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: Also:

"Democrats announce naked aggression against the wealthy by fighting for tax cuts for the deadbeat Americans at the expense of people who don't donate to their campaigns."

/goes both ways.


Starving children =/= One less summer home

/nice try though
 
2012-07-24 10:37:19 AM

Weaver95: y'know...sometimes I wonder if i'm the only one who isn't sleepwalking through life.


There's an XKCD for that.

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-07-24 10:37:23 AM

smitty04: Frank VanderSloot was one of eight Republican donors named on Obama's enemies list this past April. Fast forward a few months, and Mr. VanderSloot suddenly finds himself in the middle of two different audits from the federal government. Google it.


so...it's a conspiracy?
 
2012-07-24 10:37:50 AM
"Republicans say the tax breaks for lower-income families - passed with little notice in the extensive 2009 economic stimulus law - were always supposed to be temporary."

But somehow this doesn't apply when it comes to the Bush tax cuts for the rich.
 
2012-07-24 10:38:50 AM

abb3w: Weaver95: y'know...sometimes I wonder if i'm the only one who isn't sleepwalking through life.

There's an XKCD for that.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 376x401]


that's wonderful and all but....seriously - the GOP isn't bothering to hide their 'f*ck you I got mine' agenda. And people that consider themselves 'good Christians' sign up for that economic philosophy. the paradox is mind blowing.
 
2012-07-24 10:39:09 AM

unlikely: FlyingLizardOfDoom: Yeah. You have no idea what level of trolliishness I am capable of.

Thank you for just admitting you've nothing worthwhile to contribute and your sole purpose is teh trolling. I appreciate the honesty.

Off to ignore-land with you.


In other news, we're just openly declaring war on the poor?


Meh the GOP has been doing that for decades. The difference now is that they have added the middle class to their crosshairs. About the only ones in middle America who have a reason to vote Republican are the fundies who believe the wealthy will save them a spot in Heaven as servants and valets.
 
2012-07-24 10:39:53 AM
What say you, Grover Norquist, Keeper of the No-Tax Flame?

What's that? A GOP plan which ends tax cuts 'needs closer scrutiny as to whether it raises taxes overall', but a Democratic plan to end tax cuts 'by definition constitutes a tax increase'?

The cognitive dissonance would be funny if its results weren't so cruel.
 
2012-07-24 10:40:47 AM

unlikely: Weaver95: All the ingredients are there. all we need is someone to light a fire under us and build up a head of steam and we'll implode.

Yeah but this time there's more in the mix. We have houses that we don't really own but don't want to lose. We have cars we don't really own but don't want to lose. We like our watch-football-on-sunday way of life, and everything is just balanced enough that you can still reasonably convince most people they've more to lose than to gain by getting uppity.


It's called Bread And Circuses, and we're probably less than a decade away from the "Let them eat cake!" moment.

And if, somehow **coughcoughelectoralfraudcough**, the GOP keeps the House and takes the Senate and Presidency, the Cake Moment will happen some time next year.
 
2012-07-24 10:40:54 AM

Wyalt Derp: "Republicans say the tax breaks for lower-income families - passed with little notice in the extensive 2009 economic stimulus law - were always supposed to be temporary."

But somehow this doesn't apply when it comes to the Bush tax cuts for the rich.


Despite those Bush tax cuts did have a stated expiration date...
 
2012-07-24 10:41:01 AM

Weaver95: smitty04: Frank VanderSloot was one of eight Republican donors named on Obama's enemies list this past April. Fast forward a few months, and Mr. VanderSloot suddenly finds himself in the middle of two different audits from the federal government. Google it.

so...it's a conspiracy?


Well there's no other way a rich person could possibly run afoul of the IRS. That has to be why.
 
2012-07-24 10:41:36 AM
This is too stupid, even for Republicans.

While there is a difference between cutting what the rich contribute in taxes and just cutting a check for millions of poor people, the nuances will not be appreciated or accepted by the masses in the middle.

Expect this to die a well-deserved death. This is an election year.
 
2012-07-24 10:42:39 AM

smitty04: Frank VanderSloot was one of eight Republican donors named on Obama's enemies list this past April. Fast forward a few months, and Mr. VanderSloot suddenly finds himself in the middle of two different audits from the federal government. Google it.


I've donated a very large amount of money to Blue America and I've been audited 4 of the last 6 years, including last year.

But I don't cry about it. I'm what you would call a "mature adult."
 
2012-07-24 10:45:06 AM

Weaver95: that's wonderful and all but....seriously - the GOP isn't bothering to hide their 'f*ck you I got mine' agenda


And, seriously, there's more than a few folk who've noticed it.
Unfortunately, it may not be a majority who've both noticed and disapprove.

Weaver95: And people that consider themselves 'good Christians' sign up for that economic philosophy. the paradox is mind blowing.


Yeah, the "prosperity gospel" has long seemed one of the more interesting heresies.
 
2012-07-24 10:46:32 AM
If anyone would have read the article they might have seen this:

"Republican tax aides say the vast majority of the benefits Democrats are seeking to preserve aren't tax cuts but checks written by the Internal Revenue Service for the working poor."

So these are mostly ending checks for people who are actually getting more back than they paid in. I don't agree with republicans much, and I'm ok with this. When my wife was doing taxes she told me a story about a guy that walked in that had paid $7 in taxes the entire year, and he walked out with a $5000 check due to these types of credits...
 
2012-07-24 10:47:10 AM
If you vote for Obama and the Democrats, you're voting for people who believe we need to cultivate the land, plant seeds and tend our gardens to grow the best possible crops.

If you vote for Romney and the Republicans, you're voting for people who believe using slash-and-burn techniques to exhaust natural resources will enrich them and follow up their efforts by salting the earth they just squandered so nobody can ever grow anything on that land again.
 
2012-07-24 10:47:21 AM
Maybe people who consume public services should actually pay for them.

/you didn't get that job
//someone got it for you
 
2012-07-24 10:50:19 AM

beta_plus: Maybe people who consume public services should actually pay for them.


so you're saying we should make sure corporations actually pay their taxes rather than shifting money around and paying next to nothing...? hmm. very progressive of you.

/you didn't get that job
//someone got it for you

actually, i'm still looking. all my leads fell through this past month. disappointing but....I keep looking just the same.
 
2012-07-24 10:51:19 AM

m0ther_farker: So these are mostly ending checks for people who are actually getting more back than they paid in. I don't agree with republicans much, and I'm ok with this. When my wife was doing taxes she told me a story about a guy that walked in that had paid $7 in taxes the entire year, and he walked out with a $5000 check due to these types of credits...


thanks for the story, The Daily Mail
 
2012-07-24 10:53:45 AM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: Jackson Herring: Howie Spankowitz: Wow...dumbest post I've seen on Fark in a long time and he did it right out of the gate.

Check out the other greenlit politics threads in the queue, that one doesn't even scratch the surface.

Yeah. You have no idea what level of trolliishness I am capable of.


lh6.ggpht.com

You are like a discarded blob of chewing gum sticking to the bottom of the shoe that is the Internets.
 
2012-07-24 10:54:51 AM

Jackson Herring: m0ther_farker: So these are mostly ending checks for people who are actually getting more back than they paid in. I don't agree with republicans much, and I'm ok with this. When my wife was doing taxes she told me a story about a guy that walked in that had paid $7 in taxes the entire year, and he walked out with a $5000 check due to these types of credits...

thanks for the story, The Daily Mail


Originally courtesy of H&R Block, Louisville.
 
2012-07-24 10:54:58 AM

Weaver95: All the ingredients are there. all we need is someone to light a fire under us and build up a head of steam and we'll implode.


What role do TV, the internet, and just in general our modern media play in this?

I can't help thinking about what life was like, say, 200 years ago when things sucked for the poor. Inevitably they would gather at a pub or town square or whatever, and they'd be collectively pissed about things. Those in charge could maybe avoid trouble by throwing a festival or making some prisoners fight to the death, but still those pissed off people are gathering in places and talking and eventually all the wine in the world won't stop them.

Now, people rely on TV for most of their entertainment. If we still gather, it's usually to passively watch a movie or a sporting event of some kind. No one is seriously talking about the state of the world or what it might take to really change things.

The internet does this, but there couldn't be a more passive-aggressive communications medium if you designed it from the ground up. We digitally scream and yell and get ourselves riled up...and then we tab over to Netflix or go play some Halo. Once in a while people are able to transfer this rage from the digital world into the real, but getting people to do so in a meaningful way is incredibly difficult and most of the time, ultimately a futile gesture, ignored by everyone else who is Netflixing or Haloing.

TV and the internet are the ultimate in secluded entertainment. Just you, your screen/monitor, and your media. It neuters a lot of anger in people, at least the kind of anger that tends to lead to revolutions.
 
2012-07-24 10:58:24 AM
Okay, so again, as someone who doesn't make 6 figures, why in the actual fark would I vote Republican again?
 
2012-07-24 10:59:07 AM
img594.imageshack.us
 
2012-07-24 11:00:58 AM

YoungSwedishBlonde: Okay, so again, as someone who doesn't make 6 figures, why in the actual fark would I vote Republican again?


Socialism
Dey Tuk Our Jerbs!
Sekret Mooslim Nigerian Incumbant
Dems wanna take your guns

/take your pick
 
2012-07-24 11:04:07 AM
I'll never understand how one can twist and distort perceptions so thoroughly that an average person can look at all the people struggling to get by, then look at a feudal lord with his untold millions, and honestly believe that the morally and ethically right thing to do is to give more to the wealthy lord, even at the cost of the struggling people.
 
2012-07-24 11:15:57 AM

Weaver95: *reads article*

y'know...sometimes I wonder if i'm the only one who isn't sleepwalking through life. Think about it for a moment - set aside party affiliation for a second and consider the implications of this story and what it implies about the state of the Union. Not very good, is it? Historically speaking this HAS happened before. oh our details are different...but the broad outline is the same: rich and politically powerful elites gathering more and more political and economic power under their banner, an underclass thats getting poorer with each election cycle and feeling more and more desperate every year. institutions are becoming corrupt and weak (the churches embroiled in sex scandals and/or political fundraising, families are shattering/becoming divided, jobs draining away overseas, proliferation of a 'f*ck you I got mine' self gratification culture). A government that's fearful and paranoid of its citizens. weak economy. people are starting to pay lip service to the idea of 'nation and country' - the tea party talks constantly of secession, most people don't care what our leaders to anymore, feeling largely disconnected from their nation and wanting to just get through to the weekend.

All the ingredients are there. all we need is someone to light a fire under us and build up a head of steam and we'll implode.


Add returning Vets with no job prospects when they leave the service and student loan debt/lack of good jobs for a growing number of the population to that list of ingredients.
 
2012-07-24 11:19:37 AM

Boatmech:

Add returning Vets with no job prospects when they leave the service and student loan debt/lack of good jobs for a growing number of the population to that list of ingredients.


the Roman empire learned that screwing over experienced war veterans usually ends badly. especially when you also try to starve their families and steal their property.

Our country merely screws vets out of promised health care. we don't specifically set out to steal their property and we lie to them about who's actually starving their families....so I guess we HAVE learned something from history.
 
2012-07-24 11:26:52 AM
Anybody got a. dollar figure on much extending tax cuts for
2.7 million affluent families VS allowing tax breaks
to expire for the 13 million families at the bottom?

ie - which costs/saves the government more?
 
2012-07-24 11:36:11 AM

Weaver95: Boatmech:

Add returning Vets with no job prospects when they leave the service and student loan debt/lack of good jobs for a growing number of the population to that list of ingredients.

the Roman empire learned that screwing over experienced war veterans usually ends badly. especially when you also try to starve their families and steal their property.

Our country merely screws vets out of promised health care. we don't specifically set out to steal their property and we lie to them about who's actually starving their families....so I guess we HAVE learned something from history.


The Bonus Army and the *Original G.I. Bill may have had something to do with that.
*still pissed about the Merchant Marine not being included.
 
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