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(Daily Mail)   1) Require everyone use big garbage cans with wheels. 2) Nanny state protects the wee backs of garbagemen by ordering them to not wheel the wheelie bins. 3) Fark. 4) Profit   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 58
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2012-07-24 12:47:49 AM  
I don't know which way to jump on this one.

Back in the seventies, garbage men used to walk up to our houses, grab the garbage cans, dump them and return them. By the eighties, we had to haul them out to the curb and haul them back. Somewhere around the nineties the cans couldn't weigh over fifty pounds full. By the time the 2000's rolled around, yard waste like clippings and branches had to be trimmed to no more than three feet and crammed into a trash barrel for the yard waste crew to take it.

Piling the stuff neatly along the roadside was no longer allowed, even though they had a special truck with a claw to pick it up.

NOW, we recycle, but I discovered the truck will NOT take anything electrical, like a burned out hot plate, an old fan -- whose electric motor is rich with copper -- or even a toaster. They take everything else, but toss these things back on the grass.

I had some guy steal an old burned out a/c I had left outside, presumably for the mass of copper inside. The recyclers won't even touch it.

Such things I have to pile in the car and drive them 5 miles to the nearest recycle center -- where this guy studies your trash and requires you to lace it in the proper bins. Especially clear and colored glass. Or, I can just dump the stuff in the garbage and let it get carried to the landfill.

So, I guess I don't know whose side to take on this one.
 
2012-07-24 02:03:29 AM  
Down with Big Garbage!
 
2012-07-24 02:07:15 AM  
It's the Daily Mail, so it could be fake. But it is Britain, so I don't put it past them. So, if it is real, then I would be upset, and point out that some jobs require physical labor. If you can't do it, then find a new job.
 
2012-07-24 04:34:27 AM  
It's all about maximizing profits by getting the customer to take care of all that pesky service stuff.
 
2012-07-24 05:17:01 AM  
The Daily Smell?
 
2012-07-24 05:24:33 AM  
They need to get the type of wheelie bins that can be picked up mechanically by the garbage trucks themselves, that's what most places are going with these days.

/This is in the Politics tab, why again?
 
2012-07-24 05:25:57 AM  

Rik01: I don't know which way to jump on this one.

Back in the seventies, garbage men used to walk up to our houses, grab the garbage cans, dump them and return them. By the eighties, we had to haul them out to the curb and haul them back. Somewhere around the nineties the cans couldn't weigh over fifty pounds full. By the time the 2000's rolled around, yard waste like clippings and branches had to be trimmed to no more than three feet and crammed into a trash barrel for the yard waste crew to take it.

Piling the stuff neatly along the roadside was no longer allowed, even though they had a special truck with a claw to pick it up.

NOW, we recycle, but I discovered the truck will NOT take anything electrical, like a burned out hot plate, an old fan -- whose electric motor is rich with copper -- or even a toaster. They take everything else, but toss these things back on the grass.

I had some guy steal an old burned out a/c I had left outside, presumably for the mass of copper inside. The recyclers won't even touch it.

Such things I have to pile in the car and drive them 5 miles to the nearest recycle center -- where this guy studies your trash and requires you to lace it in the proper bins. Especially clear and colored glass. Or, I can just dump the stuff in the garbage and let it get carried to the landfill.

So, I guess I don't know whose side to take on this one.


I live in a small town. I put things out that are metal on garbage day even though I know the garbage man won't take them. Before the day is up, someone has picked it up. I even got rid of an old dryer that way. Times are harder here I geuss.
 
2012-07-24 05:28:29 AM  
When garbage men decided to unionize they went from garbage men to sanitation engineers and no longer have to do ther job. Why am I not surprised?
 
2012-07-24 05:34:55 AM  

quatchi: They need to get the type of wheelie bins that can be picked up mechanically by the garbage trucks themselves, that's what most places are going with these days.

/This is in the Politics tab, why again?


All things that deal with garbage, belong in the politics tab.
 
2012-07-24 05:35:14 AM  
In UKSSR,

Garbagemen...

Run...

EVERYTHING!
 
2012-07-24 05:38:15 AM  

Rik01: I don't know which way to jump on this one.

Back in the seventies, garbage men used to walk up to our houses, grab the garbage cans, dump them and return them. By the eighties, we had to haul them out to the curb and haul them back. Somewhere around the nineties the cans couldn't weigh over fifty pounds full. By the time the 2000's rolled around, yard waste like clippings and branches had to be trimmed to no more than three feet and crammed into a trash barrel for the yard waste crew to take it.

Piling the stuff neatly along the roadside was no longer allowed, even though they had a special truck with a claw to pick it up.

NOW, we recycle, but I discovered the truck will NOT take anything electrical, like a burned out hot plate, an old fan -- whose electric motor is rich with copper -- or even a toaster. They take everything else, but toss these things back on the grass.

I had some guy steal an old burned out a/c I had left outside, presumably for the mass of copper inside. The recyclers won't even touch it.

Such things I have to pile in the car and drive them 5 miles to the nearest recycle center -- where this guy studies your trash and requires you to lace it in the proper bins. Especially clear and colored glass. Or, I can just dump the stuff in the garbage and let it get carried to the landfill.

So, I guess I don't know whose side to take on this one.


A/C's contain a almost solid chunk of high grade aluminum. That's what he really wanted
 
2012-07-24 05:44:07 AM  

fatandolder: quatchi: They need to get the type of wheelie bins that can be picked up mechanically by the garbage trucks themselves, that's what most places are going with these days.

/This is in the Politics tab, why again?

All things that deal with garbage, belong in the politics tab.


Wake up sheeple! The nanny sate has the garbageman's jack boot on your neck!
 
2012-07-24 05:47:02 AM  
quatchi:
They need to get the type of wheelie bins that can be picked up mechanically by the garbage trucks themselves, that's what most places are going with these days.

Like the ones in the photo in the article? I think they have that covered.

They went with the "wheeled bins at the curb" system here.

Of course, then they put limits on things. You only get one bin, it can't be too full (the top has to be completely down), and you can't put over 200 pounds in it. It can't go out to the curb before 5 PM the day before pickup, and can't be left at the curb for more than 24 hours after pickup. "Hazardous materials" like old electronics are illegal to put in trash now, and has to be dropped off at a recycling center (if you're lucky, you live near one of the quietly-announced collection points they arrange from time to time without telling you about, so you can carry that old 200 pound CRT TV there by yourself).

Oh, yeah - and all trash must be in plastic bags inside the bins.

For all of this, they then... increased prices a lot.
 
2012-07-24 05:47:22 AM  

fatandolder: quatchi: They need to get the type of wheelie bins that can be picked up mechanically by the garbage trucks themselves, that's what most places are going with these days.

/This is in the Politics tab, why again?


All things that deal with garbage, belong in the politics tab.


Point. Taken.
 
2012-07-24 05:51:15 AM  
Am I the only one who finds the term "wheelie-bin" amusing?
 
2012-07-24 06:01:41 AM  
Politics tabs? I guess this means that Queen Elizabeth is now automatically president of Kenya and Sarah Palin gets her toes sucked by John Bryan.
 
2012-07-24 06:08:36 AM  
Where I've lived in the last 8 years (like 5 different cities) I've always had the bin that got lifted by the machine that dumps it in the truck. That's not a thing there?
 
2012-07-24 06:09:43 AM  

cirby: Like the ones in the photo in the article? I think they have that covered.


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I can't see any metal bars on those bins that would make them capable of being used in that fashion but the real problem is the fact that the bins are in alleyways the vehicles can't access. While I feel for the pensioners who are caught up in the changeover to a new more automated and environmentally sustainable model I also feel that the garbage guys have a point here as well.

Increased price? Aren't they paid for by taxes? Do people in the UK actually pay a separate charge for their garbage collection or are you talking about what the sanitation guys are charging the city?
 
2012-07-24 06:10:55 AM  
Wheelie bin Loadin
 
2012-07-24 06:11:54 AM  
I know you are, but what am I?
 
2012-07-24 06:11:56 AM  
People living on one street in Durham have to take their bins a little bit further than they used to - HOLD THE FRONT FARKING PAGE!!!
 
2012-07-24 06:22:14 AM  
quatchi:
I can't see any metal bars on those bins that would make them capable of being used in that fashion

You don't need those - just a truck with a big grab claw apparatus. They use those here.
 
2012-07-24 06:30:27 AM  
Anyone remember the olden days, when the site slogan was "it's not news, it's Fark.com"? Nowadays it's "Real news. Real funny". Can anyone explain to me how this article is either "Real news" or "Real funny"? The new slogan simply doesn't fit with the Daily Mail drivel that's a regular feature of this place nowadays. Perhaps it should be changed to "Daily Fail; the more boring side of what isn't news today" and be done with it.
 
2012-07-24 06:31:13 AM  
Shatner's Bassoon:
People living on one street in Durham have to take their bins a little bit further than they used to - HOLD THE FRONT FARKING PAGE!!!

Yeah, pretty much. The Daily Fail is a sensationalist rag that will concoct a lurid headline every time some town council wants an old lady to get her grass cut.

"INTOLERABLE JACKBOOT OF OPPRESSION DEMANDS MRS. SMITH PAY A FIVER TO SOME KID TO CUT HER GRASS EVERY TWO WEEKS. ALSO CAUSES CANCER!"
 
2012-07-24 07:02:51 AM  
I have our children take our 90 gallon wheelie bin down the 60 yards to the curb. They piss and moan about the mosquitos at the end of the drive.
 
2012-07-24 07:14:35 AM  
Wow, UK, whining about having to take a trash can to the end of a road once a week? Not really doing much to shed that foppish dandy-boy image, are we?

Damn those lazy good-for-nothing garbage men who still work harder in one morning than 90% of the people they service!
 
2012-07-24 07:26:39 AM  
Wheelie bin?

Havin' a wank
 
2012-07-24 07:29:05 AM  
Manchester, NH has done the same with both garbage and recycle pickup. The drivers are too farking lazy to get out and pick up anything, even an empty cardboard box now.
 
2012-07-24 07:41:31 AM  
Residents only have to move one; the workers have to move hundreds. The alleys aren't wide enough to get the trucks down and walking back and forth fifty times per alley is a dumbass alternative. Special allowance could be made for the few special cases of infirmity, etc.
 
2012-07-24 08:04:24 AM  
I can't speak for everywhere, but certainly around here, our wheelie bins are picked up by an armature on the rubbish truck.

Unfortunately, this can be a problem for many people in urban areas, where the back streets aren't wide enough for a rubbish truck to drive down (i.e. most of urban Britain).

I suspect the bin men just got tired of dragging wheelie bins out to the main road every day, and the local council decided to get the residents to do it, rather than having a massive row over it. Each householder is only taking their bin up the road once a week anyway, so this probably makes sense.

Heck, I take my bin about 30 metres to a communal drop off point, and nobody's giving me an article in the national news.

I was prepared to be mildly annoyed on behalf of the elderly et al, but even the article (in the Mail, for goodness sake) notes that residents who can't move their own bins will still get them moved by the bin men.

Mail faux outrage again?
 
2012-07-24 08:06:29 AM  
The point is these bins are a dangerous health hazard - so they should only be handled by old-age-pensioners, rather than fit, young, trained professionals who are covered by employers liability insurance.
 
2012-07-24 08:28:33 AM  
Actually I am just waiting for somebody to realize that 20-some cans all piled up near the entrance of the alley has its own problems.

Then they will have to find more ways of restricting things. Maybe only half the people can put out their trash each week?
 
2012-07-24 08:38:55 AM  
even with a curbside trash can that the truck can pick up and flip over to empty, you still have to wheel the trash can to the truck.
 
2012-07-24 08:45:45 AM  

Shatner's Bassoon: People living on one street in Durham have to take their bins a little bit further than they used to - HOLD THE FRONT FARKING PAGE!!!


But they have been used to doing something else for DECADES!! And back in the good old days binmen ruined their backs and joints like menial workers are meant to.
 
2012-07-24 08:48:46 AM  
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I'm very worried about bakers burning their hands. The government should ban them from operating hot stoves in order to keep them from getting burned. It's the only way to protect our children from the horrible menace of burned bakers' hands.

Don't worry, Britain. When the muslims take over, you'll get to trade in your nanny state for daily infidel beheadings.
 
2012-07-24 08:57:30 AM  

Lurking Fear: Manchester, NH has done the same with both garbage and recycle pickup. The drivers are too farking lazy to get out and pick up anything, even an empty cardboard box now.


Are you sure it's laziness?
Sometimes, when taxpayer funded jobs are made easier, it doesn't give the employees more time. It just means fewer employees.
 
2012-07-24 09:10:23 AM  

imontheinternet: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x331]

I'm very worried about bakers burning their hands. The government should ban them from operating hot stoves in order to keep them from getting burned. It's the only way to protect our children from the horrible menace of burned bakers' hands.

Don't worry, Britain. When the muslims take over, you'll get to trade in your nanny state for daily infidel beheadings.


Wouldn't an actual nanny state be more worried about protecting it's private citizens from hurting themselves wheeling a bin a few hundred yards, and insist that it be handled by professional government workers?
Isn't making people more personally responsible for their own garbage the opposite of nannying?
 
2012-07-24 09:11:03 AM  
Nanny State is a term used by alleged adults who believe Daddy Warbucks is real.
 
2012-07-24 09:20:42 AM  

Dansker: Wouldn't an actual nanny state be more worried about protecting it's private citizens from hurting themselves wheeling a bin a few hundred yards, and insist that it be handled by professional government workers?
Isn't making people more personally responsible for their own garbage the opposite of nannying?


Nanny states in this sense are about micromanaging and adopting ludicrous, overkill statist measures to address silly problems. The groups that get restricted or "protected" are completely arbitrary.

Today, government workers are instructed not to do their jobs in order to avoid any possible risk of injury. Next, an agency could be created to send inspectors to neighborhoods to measure the height of shrubs and issue fines. After that, the Ministry of Silly Walks will issue an edict that citizens must add a skip to every seventh step on each day of the month that is a prime number.
 
2012-07-24 09:21:55 AM  
'That's what they get paid to do - move the bins. They say they can't move them but we can. But what happens if we hurt our backs?'

Here's a crazy idea: if you think the bin is too heavy, put less trash in it.
 
2012-07-24 09:28:41 AM  

imontheinternet: Dansker: Wouldn't an actual nanny state be more worried about protecting it's private citizens from hurting themselves wheeling a bin a few hundred yards, and insist that it be handled by professional government workers?
Isn't making people more personally responsible for their own garbage the opposite of nannying?

Nanny states in this sense are about micromanaging and adopting ludicrous, overkill statist measures to address silly problems. The groups that get restricted or "protected" are completely arbitrary.

Today, government workers are instructed not to do their jobs in order to avoid any possible risk of injury. Next, an agency could be created to send inspectors to neighborhoods to measure the height of shrubs and issue fines. After that, the Ministry of Silly Walks will issue an edict that citizens must add a skip to every seventh step on each day of the month that is a prime number.


You assume the council's concern is really with binmen, and not with the council budget. Removing a timeconsuming part of a public job today means sacking a few people tomorrow.
 
2012-07-24 09:31:23 AM  
My old mans a dustman...
 
2012-07-24 09:33:08 AM  

Dansker: You assume the council's concern is really with binmen, and not with the council budget. Removing a timeconsuming part of a public job today means sacking a few people tomorrow.


Maybe so. This measure also gives them cover to deny back injury claims of garbagemen.
 
2012-07-24 09:41:42 AM  
I've got a garbage bin, a yard waste bin and a recycling bin, all of which have to be wheeled out to the curb and placed on a flat surface facing in the correct direction. The collectors have trucks with hydraulic claws for grabbing the bins while they sit in their air-conditioned cabs. And I still had one complain about the vacuum cleaner dust making him allergic.

Then the mail delivery person complains to me about where the collectors leave the bins!
 
2012-07-24 09:43:45 AM  

imontheinternet: Dansker: You assume the council's concern is really with binmen, and not with the council budget. Removing a timeconsuming part of a public job today means sacking a few people tomorrow.

Maybe so. This measure also gives them cover to deny back injury claims of garbagemen.


Damn nannies!
 
2012-07-24 09:50:53 AM  
It's always been that way in England. Bring out you dead. Not, we'll come in and load them up for you.


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2012-07-24 10:14:20 AM  
The city I live in supplied everyone with new trashcans that get picked up by a robotic arm, it works great in the newer areas of town where it's more like a typical suburban neighborhood.

I live in the much older part of town (some houses on my street were built in the 1700s) and it's not set up for that kind of automation. We wheel them out to the curb and they dump them in the truck just like they always have.
 
2012-07-24 10:38:45 AM  
It could be worse, you could not have any garbage collection at all and your friends could end up getting arrested for trying to help you out.
 
2012-07-24 10:51:09 AM  

Goimir: It could be worse, you could not have any garbage collection at all and your friends could end up getting arrested for trying to help you out.


You sound Canadian.
 
2012-07-24 10:52:51 AM  

EyeballKid: Nanny State is a term used by alleged adults who believe Daddy Warbucks is real.


The term "nanny state" succinctly and aptly captures a sense of well-intentioned but ultimately condescending maternalist authoritarianism which I suspect historians will come to regard as the defining trend in british culture in the early 21st century.

I don't even know who Daddy Warbucks is supposed to be.
 
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