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(Lincoln Journal Star)   Farkette's friend was attacked in her home. She was tied up, had anti-gay slurs cut into her skin, and had her home set on fire   (journalstar.com) divider line 255
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2012-07-23 09:17:14 PM
26 votes:
Is there any reason besides religion to oppose same sex relationships? Because I'm having a really big problem reconciling the idea that being gay is HORRIBLE and BAD and a SIN but stripping a woman naked, beating her, binding her with zip ties, carving hateful words into her skin, and attempting to burn her alive is good Christian behavior.
2012-07-23 10:01:09 PM
17 votes:

TheDumbBlonde: No Christian was involved in this heinous crime.


That's not really for you to say. I understand not wanting to be associated with this kind of filth, but if they say they're christian, then they are christian. They may be really bad at BEING Christian, but it's not like there's an authoritity with the power to kick out bad examples from the entire suite of Christian religions.
2012-07-23 10:56:49 PM
12 votes:
I hate to be that guy but.......this could be self inflicted. Kind of like that woman who threw acid in her own face. I was looking at pics of the messages left on her walls. Pretty good printing for spray paint. I mean if you're an attacker all stoked up smashing doors in committing violence and arson.......
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In one way I hope I am wrong, that nobody could contrive this, OTOH I hope I am right that nobody would be sick enough to storm somebody's house and mutilate her because she's gay.
2012-07-23 10:14:00 PM
12 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: Church is the people. That's what Christians always say. Until something like this happens. Then it's an "isolated case" and No True Christian.


Forget religion, I'd like to think that no true HUMAN would do something like this. Sadly, I know better than that.
2012-07-23 10:11:26 PM
10 votes:

Ambivalence: TheDumbBlonde: No Christian was involved in this heinous crime.

That's not really for you to say. I understand not wanting to be associated with this kind of filth, but if they say they're christian, then they are christian. They may be really bad at BEING Christian, but it's not like there's an authoritity with the power to kick out bad examples from the entire suite of Christian religions.


Church is the people. That's what Christians always say. Until something like this happens. Then it's an "isolated case" and No True Christian.
2012-07-23 09:55:27 PM
10 votes:
No Christian was involved in this heinous crime.
2012-07-23 10:16:38 PM
8 votes:
Can we help in any way? Is there somewhere we can send donations to help her with hospital bills or to set up new housing?
2012-07-24 05:51:24 AM
7 votes:

xl5150: I know everyone is thinking it, so I'll be the first to come out and say it.

Most of the time when something like this happens, the "victim" has done it to themself either for attention or to try to get sympathy for their cause. Think back to the Jewish professor who got caught spraypainting swastikas on her house and then reporting it as a hate crime as an example.


Plus, if she didn't do it, she probably deserved it for that short skirt she was wearing, amirite?

Seriously, the number of people that jumped to the "she did it herself" conclusion is almost as sickening as the crime.
2012-07-24 12:28:18 AM
7 votes:

AbbeySomeone: I can never understand what makes people do this.


A catastrophicly broken psyche? Born without a conscience? Any number of things.

I assert that they aren't people though, they just pretend to be people.
2012-07-23 10:20:13 PM
6 votes:

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Not even if they follow Jesus Christ


Jesus was strangely silent on the issue of homosexuality. He was pretty heavy with the `let he who is without sin cast the first stone', `love thy neighbor' stuff though.

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: and their church's interpretation of the Bible with regards to homosexuality?


Well THERE'S your problem.
2012-07-24 06:59:57 AM
5 votes:
I love how in any given thread, Fark is populated with constitutional scholars, legal experts, forensic investigators, millionaire self-made businessmen, etc. etc.

Anybody who thinks they can tell this was "faked" because of the the way something is spray painted on a wall is a delusional moron. You can't tell shiat. ...And the actual experts won't be able to tell shiat until they've finished a far more thorough investigation than looking at some pictures on the internet.

Get a grip, people.
2012-07-23 10:40:01 PM
5 votes:
My best wishes for your friend's quick and full recovery, Subby.

And my best wishes for the swift apprehension, speedy trial and long, slow prison term for her attackers.
2012-07-23 09:51:24 PM
5 votes:
Tea Party happened.

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2012-07-24 05:56:32 AM
4 votes:

xl5150: JohnnyC: So, those of you who hate gay people... do you feel this is a victory for you and your fellow bigots?

Seeing how it's becoming more and more believable that she did it to herself, I think this is going to be a victory for gay-haters because of the undermining it will do to the gay agenda when the (probable) truth comes out that it is in fact self-inflicted.


Okay, I'll bite. Why is that? Because several of you have said so?
2012-07-24 02:15:40 AM
4 votes:
Someone, someday, is going to attack a group of us lousy queers, and when we retaliate, it will reverberate outward like a large stone thrown in the middle of a pond. And it's going to make Stonewall look absolutely insignificant.

The bad part is it's going to make us even more hated, but I think it's inevitable.
2012-07-24 12:29:21 AM
4 votes:

Ambivalence: AbbeySomeone: I can never understand what makes people do this.

A catastrophicly broken psyche? Born without a conscience? Any number of things.

I assert that they aren't people though, they just pretend to be people.


Oh. They're people. They just aren't human.
2012-07-23 10:43:32 PM
4 votes:
I'm so sorry, Subby. Incidents such as this make me want to cry.

ginandbacon: Can we help in any way? Is there somewhere we can send donations to help her with hospital bills or to set up new housing?


We should take up a collection to send her to a gay-friendly place such as L.A. or S.F.

/L.A. woman
2012-07-23 09:25:17 PM
4 votes:
WTF is wrong is, they hate gay people. Usually because of religion - either religious training in their youth, or their religion as adults.

Gays know - people hate us. Just because people pretend to "be okay" with us being gay, or don't openly act like this, it's clear - a helluvalotta people, deep down, hate us and wish they had the balls to be like the WBC folks or these turds.

Sad, but true.
2012-07-24 04:18:49 PM
3 votes:

Occam's Nailfile: Oh, and:

"City Fire Inspector Damon Robbins said a match ignited vapors from a pool of gasoline on the woman's floor, but the flash fire did not continue to burn and caused no noticeable damage to the house. Police records put total damage at $200."

They hated her so much that they tied her up and carved into her, yet they didn't even make sure the fire spread as intended?

I now officially call bullshiat.


It was in an unfinished basement. I wouldn't expect gasoline to start a house fire on a concrete slab.

One example of how it might have happened:

1. Punks put on balaclavas, sneak into garage, use spray paint (which they brought) to put up all sorts of slurs. They're not in a hurry at this point.

2. One of them notices the zip ties, thinks bondage, and decides to give the woman a scare.

3. They burst into her house, strip her naked, drag her into the basement. They expect her to be scared. She's just pissed.

4. They carve crap on her. Still pissed instead of scared.

5. They pour gasoline around. Still pissed.

6. One of them puts a pool of gasoline next to her and lights it.

7. Now she's scared, one of the guys gets antsy, the smoke alarm goes off, whatever. It could even be that one of the kids thinks they've gone too far. At any rate, they bug out.

What I'm describing here isn't a hate group that wanted to kill her. I'm describing high school punks who just wanted to scare somebody, and went after her because she was 'different'. They never planned to kill her, or even hurt her. They just wanted to feel powerful by terrifying somebody. Classic bullying behavior.

Find me something, anything, that happened that doesn't fit with this. It's not the only explanation, but it's a plausible one.
2012-07-24 06:41:48 AM
3 votes:

Bhruic: Blaming it on Christians is extremely premature.


Alright, I'll play. Name me an ideology or belief system in this country that doesn't have it's roots in Christian Dogma and also has a burning hatred for gays that has credibly resulted in violence against them.

Go on. I'll wait.
2012-07-24 06:36:51 AM
3 votes:

hbk72777: Link

Superficial cuts, isn't it always when self inflicted? If you really hate someone, you'd dig in, wouldn't you? Hate messages written on the basement walls, yet they tried to set the house on fire? Seems to be contradictory. And zip ties instead of rope, how convenient, a person can zip tie themselves easily, rope on the other hands, needs help. Just not adding up. I've just seen this too many times before, people working themselves up into a frenzy, then finding out it's not true.


Or if you think like an anthropologist, you can see it as very likely to occur. People usually go to great lengths to prepare sacrifices. They also write very personalized messages that only have one intended recipient and are meant to be destroyed.

By your logic, all the Second World War photographs with pictures of messages to Hitler scrawled on bombs by Allied flight crews are probably fakes, as are Viking funeral pyres, as are the various graffiti written by soldiers on the walls of cities they sack and burn throughout history, as are threatening notes given to geeks who get beaten up by grade ten greasers.
2012-07-24 06:35:03 AM
3 votes:

Joce678: TheDumbBlonde: No Christian was involved in this heinous crime.

Ummm, The Bible tells Christians to kill gays.

Being unchristian would be not doing this sort of thing.


No it doesn't. You are wrong and have no idea what you're talking about.
2012-07-24 06:01:31 AM
3 votes:
Message to subby's friend, if subby has a chance to see this and show it to her:

I'm sorry you had to go through such a horrible experience. I'm ashamed that we can do this to each other. From what I read in the article, it sounds like you're a good neighbor, and a good friend. Please know that there are many of us who support you not just as a neighbor, or coworker, or friend, or fellow farker, but also as supporters of LGBT Americans looking to live their lives and be treated equally. Please also know that our number is growing, and that it's only a matter of time before this country's attitudes towards you pass by just like it's attitudes about slavery and women's rights also passed by. I wish you the best in your recovery.
2012-07-24 05:56:07 AM
3 votes:

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Seriously, the number of people that jumped to the "she did it herself" conclusion is almost as sickening as the crime.


And the fact that so many people (or should I say "sheeple") simply accept everything at face value and fail to ever employ any critical thinking skills whatsoever in their lives is even more sickening than this alleged crime.
2012-07-24 05:51:05 AM
3 votes:

xl5150: I know everyone is thinking it, so I'll be the first to come out and say it.

Most of the time when something like this happens, the "victim" has done it to themself either for attention or to try to get sympathy for their cause. Think back to the Jewish professor who got caught spraypainting swastikas on her house and then reporting it as a hate crime as an example.

Has that been looked into here?


2/10 for just asking questions. I'd give it more, but people have already expressed the sentiment legitimately without immediately resorting to confirmation bias. Most? Most? I can think of several high media exposure attacks on gays in the past 5 years, some of which left bodies. You've got one chick with acid. I can find public record of any number of cross burnings and church vandalisms for your professor. Most? That's not even the 'I'd almost rather believe it was fake than that someone could do this' from above, that's just trying your damnedest to cast aspersions.
2012-07-24 05:48:36 AM
3 votes:

xl5150: I know everyone is thinking it, so I'll be the first to come out and say it.

Most of the time when something like this happens, the "victim" has done it to themself either for attention or to try to get sympathy for their cause. Think back to the Jewish professor who got caught spraypainting swastikas on her house and then reporting it as a hate crime as an example.

Has that been looked into here?


the story reads damn odd and makes one wonder. reads like bullshiat to me. complete with a trio of ninjas and a gas source fire that only causes $200 damage. but it's nice to see lots of people tossing hate at christians even though they have no idea who did the alleged deed. godless heathens.
2012-07-24 05:42:30 AM
3 votes:

digistil: TheDumbBlonde: No Christian was involved in this heinous crime.

Also this. Jesus never said to attack thy neighbor and cut them. Bigots do however, and then hide behind religion.


Yeah they aren't really Scottish.
2012-07-24 05:35:10 AM
3 votes:
I know everyone is thinking it, so I'll be the first to come out and say it.

Most of the time when something like this happens, the "victim" has done it to themself either for attention or to try to get sympathy for their cause. Think back to the Jewish professor who got caught spraypainting swastikas on her house and then reporting it as a hate crime as an example.

Has that been looked into here?
2012-07-24 03:37:46 AM
3 votes:

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: susansto-helit: Red Shirt Blues: I hate to be that guy but.......this could be self inflicted. Kind of like that woman who threw acid in her own face. I was looking at pics of the messages left on her walls. Pretty good printing for spray paint. I mean if you're an attacker all stoked up smashing doors in committing violence and arson.......
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In one way I hope I am wrong, that nobody could contrive this, OTOH I hope I am right that nobody would be sick enough to storm somebody's house and mutilate her because she's gay.

Isn't it a bit hard to bind your own feet and hands with zip ties, though? I've never used them, but that doesn't sound easy.

It's not hard at all. Not that I have any idea if that's the case here, but zip-tying yourself is trivial.


However this plays out, humanity doesn't win.

I'd say she's a real trooper if she did this for attention. The other cases I remember, like the Jewish girl painting swastikas on her dorm room door or that ridiculous "B" woman from the last election just sort of half-assed it. This woman was naked and bound and screaming.

Then again, that census worker hung himself and tried to blame it on the Tea Party, which is pretty hard core. Then again again, someone beat Matthew Shepard to death for fun, and gays are routinely beaten across the US because of their sexual orientation.

What's farked up is that just a few short years ago, it wouldn't even occur to anyone to think she was lying, and because some assholes wanted attention, it's a possibility.
2012-07-24 01:08:25 AM
3 votes:

Vodka Zombie: Ambivalence: AbbeySomeone: I can never understand what makes people do this.

A catastrophicly broken psyche? Born without a conscience? Any number of things.

I assert that they aren't people though, they just pretend to be people.

Oh. They're people. They just aren't human.


being human is a function of physiology. They're human, but they are not people.
2012-07-23 11:52:24 PM
3 votes:
Cowards can only be brave in groups.

May karma bite them in the ass.
2012-07-23 09:51:31 PM
3 votes:
This is just awful Subby. I will hold your friend in my heart.
2012-07-25 02:50:52 PM
2 votes:

Monophtalmos: Big Ramifications: I read the link after 500 comments were already down. First thing I did was go back to the comments page, CTRL+F, "hoax".... and sure enough, Farkers did not disappoint.

I was lenient on younger Farker on purpose. When I was in my late teens there were hoax hate crimes in my region - and I fell for them. So I know from first hand experience that as a naive young person you tend to still believe in "right vs. wrong" and this tends to skew your critical thinking. I learnt from it and grew more skeptical. Not only when it comes to "convenient" hate crimes but it generally taught me a lesson to check your sources and not to underestimate the criminal energy of people pretending to be "good guys". I simply hope that nobody who refused to allow any doubts was over the age of 20. Because that would be an indicator for a immaturity or simple stupidity.



Another important point - in my experience, I've found that people tend to fall into one of two categories. People whose thought processes are dominated by emotion, and people whose thought processes are dominated by logic and calculation. Both are absolutely needed in a society, but I believe that more emotion-driven people are more likely to believe stories like this because of the emotional reaction that it provokes in them.

It's a huge part of why people like Nancy Grace have wildly successful shows - people love a good Appeal to Emotion.

Though, in the interest of full disclosure, my only psychology credential is a recent stay at a Holiday Inn Express.
2012-07-24 09:35:34 PM
2 votes:
This thread is too long. I'll just wait for the follow up where they find out it was a hoax.
2012-07-24 09:10:29 PM
2 votes:

Pray 4 Mojo: I can't wait 'til this is on Mythbusters.

/And the obligatory comment about how nobody complains too much about the snarky and hurtful comments Farkers make every day... until the story is about a Farker or friend of a Farker... then we're all arseholes for making snarky and hurtful comments.


Oh. But we're a "community". We get real sensitive when a "member of our community" is in peril. It hits so close to home. Boo farkin hoo. You are all a bunch of dicks and so am I. I'm on this site all day every day. Nobody gives a fark. If I die you'll never know. I don't know the farker who's friends with the victim and I sure as hell am not giving money to the victim to pay her hospital bills. When was the last time someone was penalized for not paying medical bills? Tell her to wait a little bit. Obamacare will take care of it.
2012-07-24 05:28:06 PM
2 votes:

beakerxf: The police being tight lipped is making suspicious of her claim.


Even competent police departments often refuse to talk about an ongoing investigation.
2012-07-24 04:34:17 PM
2 votes:

Occam's Nailfile: Have you ever lit anything on fire with gasoline? A buddy of mine tried to light his grill with gasoline when we were kids. He used about 1/4 of an empty plastic soda bottle's worth of it.


OK, two reasons he failed: Too much gas + enclosed space (inside the bowl of the grill, with lots of surface area, namely the charcoal) = fumes = things that go Boom.

Try the puddle experiment. You'll get a very different fire, and one more in keeping with the reported conditions at the scene.
2012-07-24 01:31:10 PM
2 votes:
So let me get this right. We're obligated to believe a very suspicious story because the "victim" is the friend of someone who posts on the same website as me?

Sounds legit.
2012-07-24 12:15:49 PM
2 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Uh, maybe the fact that she carved slurs into her skin and set her house on fire?


This is a fact now? Funny, there is no where reporting that this is a fact, that she did those things to herself. Circular logic is circular and retarded. Try again.
2012-07-24 12:12:33 PM
2 votes:
As far as the story being a hoax, I think we ought to let the police conduct their investigation and release their findings. I would assume that there is some information that will not be released to news outlets until the appropriate time. I feel that no one here is qualified to make that judgement given the probable lack of information.

Right now, today, I believe it, and I feel very sorry for the victim. Either way, the crux of my previous comment still stands. This isn't a hate issue or an agenda issue. It's a mental health issue, and our country has to stop waving it off like it's a non-issue.
2012-07-24 10:16:51 AM
2 votes:
Maybe it's because I live on the West Coast, but something about this story doesn't add up. I'm going to have to call Bullshiat too.

It doesn't sound like something hateful people do. It sounds like something people with a persecution complex think hateful people do.
2012-07-24 10:07:34 AM
2 votes:

JohnnyC: scout48: Ok, so I am a christian. I believe being gay is a sin.

Every single person I have ever met that hated homosexuals has been Christian without exception. Now, I won't go so far as to say that if you hate homosexuals, you must be Christian, but they're the ones who spread that hatred as far and wide as they can. Where else do we have to point to as to where the hatred for homosexuals comes from in America?


Every single person I've ever met in my 20's that hated black people was a Mexican, sure I was living in Mexico at the time but what does that have to do with anything? DURP!

The U.S. is made up of mostly people who claim to be Christians of some form.
2012-07-24 09:54:01 AM
2 votes:

Lady Indica: Why would you bother spray painting slurs if you're torching the place and the woman? Why bother carving slurs into her skin if they were going to torch her and the house?


It's called torture. Maybe we've become so ingrained to "enhanced interrogation" that we've forgotten the term.
2012-07-24 09:47:35 AM
2 votes:

keithgabryelski: way south: Religion may be an excuse, but its a poor one. In reality, any excuse will do for a bigot.

this is an interesting statement coming from someone who, just yesterday, said:

/Put a few Muslims in London and they start torching the place.


You can pretend to be insulted, but it is a perfectly legitimate thing to say when taken in context.
We were debating whether the British idea of banning guns (in a nation without a gun culture) was a thing that could work on US soil. The British were painted as a peaceful and stable society that is able to deal with the pressures of the modern world.

They are not.

With their ethnic tensions getting out of control, long running terrorism problems, and the gun violence obviously continuing, they aren't an example of how to solve a problem. They can barely deal with their own issues.

/But I'm sure you'll say they just need to make a more perfect police state to solve that.
/Because a bad interpretation of law or scripture is ok if everyone in the congregation agrees to it.
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2012-07-24 09:39:55 AM
2 votes:
This needs repeating.......

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THAT^^^^^^ is what being a good christian means.

/at least the way I read it and the way I choose to live it.
2012-07-24 09:39:04 AM
2 votes:

Lernaeus: Sorry about your friend, Farkette - really, I am - but ALL CRIME IS "HATE" CRIME.

It's a dangerous road you're on that calls for the enhancement of penalties for some crimes because their motivations aren't politically correct.

I hate a gay basher as much as any bully, but punishing motivations is establishing thought crime and censorship.


Punishing motivations is the basis of our system of justice. If you hit someone with a car intentionally you get a different punishment than if you fall asleep behind the wheel. If you plan an attack you get a different punishment than if you attack someone in the heat of an argument.

If you attack someone to intimidate a community, that's a different motivation than "jerk stole my money".
2012-07-24 09:31:34 AM
2 votes:
Just like with the Aurora shooting, I think this is a mental illness issue. No one who is sane would do this to another person. The hatred part of the equation is more boogeyman than anything to me, with regard to holding a certain group of people responsible for all of your problems or pointing the finger of blame at them for all that is wrong in the world.

As a country, we need to face down mental illness and take it about a million times more seriously than we do now. I believe in liberty, but part of that equation is being free from being a target of mentally ill people to the highest degree possible.

I hope the victim makes a full physical, mental, and emotional recovery. It's nice to see the outpouring of support from Lincoln, Omaha, and across the nation.
2012-07-24 09:05:23 AM
2 votes:

ginandbacon: Can we help in any way? Is there somewhere we can send donations to help her with hospital bills or to set up new housing?


http://starcitypride.org/victim-recovery-fund/

Subby here. posting from my phone so I can't format link. this is the site for helping. she has no insurance. this girl is such a sweetheart with the best heart. she just wants to live her life and rescue dogs. this should never happen to anyone!
2012-07-24 09:04:53 AM
2 votes:
Sorry about your friend, Farkette - really, I am - but ALL CRIME IS "HATE" CRIME.

It's a dangerous road you're on that calls for the enhancement of penalties for some crimes because their motivations aren't politically correct.

I hate a gay basher as much as any bully, but punishing motivations is establishing thought crime and censorship.
2012-07-24 09:03:56 AM
2 votes:
Nope. She's lying. Three guys? Nah, three guys getting together to do this would have robbed her. No profit in this crime. A single loner? Yeah, a single loner does things like this, but they don't tie you up and carve on you.
I support her cause, but when I add the known variables that a) people WILL lie for attention, b) we're in a housing downturn, and c) People will deliberately commit a fraud in support of their political, social, or religious perspectives, they add up to a statistically more likely proposition than that three guys got together and agreed to do this without robbing her of her valuables. I'm supposed to also believe that three guys light a fire like a girl.
2012-07-24 08:50:22 AM
2 votes:
Smells like bullshiat...

Three men in ski masks, break in, tie her up, but not so much that she can't get away, bring gasoline to start a fire, but manage to do no damage, don't commit rape or otherwise do any bodily harm, and oh by the way, take the time to spray paint a message in nearly perfect text (honestly, my handwriting isn't that good).

//Liberal, supporter of the Democratic party, supporter (financially and with my vote) of gay marriage initiatives...

//Just saying, if your bullshiat detector isn't going off, its time to send that thing to the warranty shop for servicing..

//Actually hope I'm completely wrong, but I don't think I am..
2012-07-24 08:44:55 AM
2 votes:
Just going to weigh in and say that according to other articles, there were slurs carved into her skin. If that's accurate, we're not talking about someone who sliced herself a few times. This would take vastly more self-control or psychosis to pull off. The process would have to be:

1 - Spray paint the basement.
2 - Strip naked.
3 - Carve words all over her own body.
4 - Dump gasoline around the house (we don't know exactly where, but if the spray paint is in the basement, basement fire seems more obvious than anywhere else).
5 - Light the gasoline.
6 - Zip-tie hands and feet (INSIDE A BURNING BUILDING).
7 - Crawl out of the house screaming for help.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but I will say I find that much less likely than someone doing this against her will.

As to the $200 in damage: If I'm right and the fire was in the basement, and based on the pictures it appears to be an unfinished basement, it's not unreasonable that only $200 in damage would have been done. Lots of cement and such down there. Keep in mind, too, that the fire was still burning when emergency crews arrived.

I truly hope this woman gets the help and support she needs in either event.

And I'll just add this little statement here:

Everyone. Stop doing terrible things to one another. It's not helping anything. And calls for someone to shoot someone are only escalating things. Just. Spread the love, guys.
2012-07-24 08:43:38 AM
2 votes:
justindarr.com

Okay, I give up on reason. This thread is immovable bleeding heart meets unstoppable conspiracy theorist.
2012-07-24 08:39:13 AM
2 votes:

SkunkWerks: stlbluez: OBVIOUSLY these folks were Christian.. and representative of all Christians.

Because these two things are mutually inclusive, every time, all the time. You can't be a Christian, feel you are following Christian ideals, commit heinous acts like this, and not be representative of all Christians, at all times.

Make up your minds about whether you'd like to reject or embrace people like this, please.


I'm certain you paint Islam and Muslims with the same brush then, right ?
2012-07-24 08:25:12 AM
2 votes:
Yesterday, Drew posted a headline asking that we call the Colorado killer "sideshow bob". I thought that was kind of low, considering the guy might (again, don't jump down my throat, I'm not advocating or supporting what he did) be mentally ill. And dehumanizing mentally ill people is pretty f*cking low. They can't help what they are. It's beyond their capacity to understand what they did, and he should probably spend the rest of his life in an asylum.
To this story though, the submitter is now asking us for outrage, because the perpetrators have done what Drew asked us to do yesterday, which was to call someone a name because of something and to dehumanize them making it easier to attack them. And lots of people jumped on board that, gleefully calling the guy names and posting pics. Big joke. But today, it's not right? It's not right to call the woman names, or attack her? I'm confused here. One's right, one's not.

I'm not simplistic, or an idiot. I just think we're not acting responsibly anymore as a society. Fark it, it's early.
2012-07-24 07:56:53 AM
2 votes:
The fact this thread was derailed into an argument accusing this woman of self-inflicted injuries quickly after being posted is disheartening and cause for me to head to sleep. I understand the need for scrutiny in high profile times, and I understand the mentality of nothing being sacred, and I understand how the reasons created to rationalize these self-inflicted injuries would be fed were you to accept the story and provide support, but consider the result. You claim this was self-inflicted and the follow-up story reveals evidence this was self-inflicted; you have not fallen for a story and may feel momentarily smarter for not being duped into giving your sympathy ("cause that sh*t ain't free!"). Or, you claim this was self-inflicted and the follow-up story reveals suspects who admit to specific details of the case for a plea; you are a person who represents part of why this world is a terrible enough place for either scenario to have happened.

My suggestion is to be passive for a little while. Just tell yourself though you do not feel the story is believable, you admit there are too sparse of details to make a determination about the story being faked. There is nothing wrong with a reaction, but do not delude yourself with this skeptical persona and shift from a reaction to taking a stand.

If she is revealed to have lied, I will say flatly I was wrong, but I will still feel confident in my being suckered into a tragic story (and the story would be tragic either way) which sapped a small amount of my attention.
2012-07-24 07:47:52 AM
2 votes:
I'm impressed at the forensic pathologists able to judge this story from three pictures and a 7 paragraph news article that actually has a cop quoted as saying they aren't releasing all of the facts.

I am also impressed that a dozen people casting doubt has allowed the same people to come back to the thread later and discuss how it is obviously a fake and more evidence indicates a fake.

Then again, we've had the same three stories used as proof that this is also a fake while ignoring the dozens of stories about actual violence directed towards gays.
2012-07-24 07:39:17 AM
2 votes:
On the plus side, this story has allowed me to put a bunch of "skeptics" on ignore. There's no sense in reading more derp from the haters than I have to.
2012-07-24 07:34:16 AM
2 votes:

SkunkWerks: Still, it's an excuse religion has been all-too-happy to provide, and not just historically. They're pleased as punch to keep on repeating that message well into the 21st century. Yanno, in case not-hurting your fellow human beings ever starts to seem like a good idea... at least for this reason.


Religion may be an excuse, but its a poor one. In reality, any excuse will do for a bigot.
What I know for certain is that trying to set someones home on fire is distinctly outside the "Do unto others..." guideline.

In revelations it suggests that when the end of Days comes it is the Anti-Christ that will lead us into disaster. Not by force, but by simple lies and appeasements. The vast majority of people will willingly follow him against God. People who think they are holy and people who thought they should go to heaven, all of them will sin in direct view of their maker.
I think that it was written as a warning which we need to start heeding now. Because there are leaders who claim that Jesus went to all the trouble he did just to teach us about hate, and there are bible bangers who believe that nonsense just because it appeases their senses. .

If God wanted us to learn to hate each other then he wouldn't have sent his only Son to teach us things we already knew.

/Personally I think this kind of thing shouldn't be a hate crime, but treated as a crime against humanity.
/It is organized on a mass scale by corrupted preachers and they need to be brought to account.
2012-07-24 07:14:10 AM
2 votes:

untaken_name: Sass-O-Rev: People are born the way they're born.

I prefer to believe in free will, otherwise the perpetrators could use the same excuse.


So you've chosen to be heterosexual, then? I didn't. I just am.
2012-07-24 07:12:13 AM
2 votes:

Joce678: Ambivalence:
That's not really for you to say. I understand not wanting to be associated with this kind of filth, but if they say they're christian, then they are christian. They may be really bad at BEING Christian, but it's not like there's an authoritity with the power to kick out bad examples from the entire suite of Christian religions.

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." (Leviticus 20:13 KJV)

I'd say they were just following The Bible.

Before you go all "New Testament" on me, remember the words of Jesus:

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:17)


You are wrong and don't know what you're talking about.

If you don't actually know what Jesus taught you should not try to speak for Christianity.

Jesus made it abundantly clear that while Moses had the authority to make these laws no one had the ability to live up to them and everyone was toast. He also made it clear that God was willing and able to forgive. And he really drove home the point that if you don't forgive you will not be forgiven.

You can't pick out just part of the scripture and claim that the Bible tells Christians to kill gays. The Bible tells Christians to forgive everyone and let God take care of punishment or reward.

Stop being wrong and telling people wrong things.
2012-07-24 06:58:27 AM
2 votes:

sjcousins: I've never heard of a gay bashing motivated by religion


You don't get out much.
2012-07-24 06:54:46 AM
2 votes:

xl5150: untaken_name: cptjeff: I sincerely hope the person who did this is sodomized with a branding iron.

"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind."

Not to mention the evidence is piling up that this was all self-inflicted.


The only "evidence" I've seen for your assertion is the claims of bigots who refuse to even imagine someone could have done this to someone else.
2012-07-24 06:45:39 AM
2 votes:
The Lincoln Nebraska City Council approved a proposal in May to ban discrimination in housing and employment based on a person's sexual orientation or gender identity, but opponents obtained enough signatures to keep it from going into effect before an as-yet unscheduled public vote.

In May 2012 --- Nebraska Woman Delivers Epic Homophobic Rant at Lincoln 'Fairness Amendment' Hearing

Some highlights:

"P-E-N-I-S goes into the anus to rupture intestines. The more a man does this the more he'll be a fatality or a homicider."

"A huge percent of gay men in school grounds molest boys, partly because they don't have AIDS yet."

"Hillary Clinton's roommate four years in college was a gay woman. To avoid going gay like Clinton did, college students need single rooms and single gender dorms... A college woman is seduced with illegal Rohypnol to go gay."

"Roman senators went to Roman baths to be promiscuous gays... and orgiers then went to the Coliseum to watch Christians get mauled and perish. Do gays become this sadistic? Yes."

"Jesus was kissed by Judas, a homo, who tried to sabotage Jesus' kind ideas. Do you choose Jesus, a celibate, or Judas, a homo? You have to choose!"


This is what they're dealing with in Lincoln Nebraska.
2012-07-24 06:45:35 AM
2 votes:

xl5150: All you people who are outraged and publicly proclaiming the awful things you'd like to do to the (most likely imaginary) perpetrators here should keep this in mind as an example of how you can all be manipulated and how easy it is for certain people to do it.


There is some seriously illogical leaping going on by the anti-Christian apologists here. Nobody said this was a religiously motivated crime. Homophobia is not religious, per se. What I want to know from you and the other self-inflicted set of posters is why you think it is likely the wounds were self-inflicted, given that there is no evidence discussed in the article about the wounds or the messages or the suspects. Surely you have about as much evidence of the psychological state of the victim as the posters in this thread have evidence of the suspects' religious orthodoxy.
2012-07-24 06:45:25 AM
2 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: Tea Party happened.

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Full derp in 4. Y'all are slipping.

How about we wait for more info on this? No one deserves to have this happen to them, but I'm not willing to jump straight to "It'z da Jeebus lubbers" either.
2012-07-24 06:41:31 AM
2 votes:
This incident makes me feel really uncomfortable and ashamed of my own disgusting beliefs. Maybe it should cause me to reflect inwards? Nah, I'll just say it was all faked, and then I'll feel ok to carry on smoldering with hatred against the sodomites.
2012-07-24 06:06:50 AM
2 votes:

xl5150: JohnnyC: So, those of you who hate gay people... do you feel this is a victory for you and your fellow bigots?

Seeing how it's becoming more and more believable that she did it to herself, I think this is going to be a victory for gay-haters because of the undermining it will do to the gay agenda when the (probable) truth comes out that it is in fact self-inflicted.


Undermining the gay agenda?

So I guess brunch has been cancelled :(

Gay people are people too. If, IF - because we're going down this path - it turns out to be self-inflicted, all it means is that this individual is in severe need of mental health treatment.
2012-07-24 06:04:04 AM
2 votes:

IlGreven: Ambivalence: TheDumbBlonde: No Christian was involved in this heinous crime.

That's not really for you to say.

Sure it is. They may call themselves Christian, but no tenet of any Christian sect I've ever seen advocates shiat like this.


If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. (NKJ, Leviticus 20:13)
2012-07-24 06:01:23 AM
2 votes:
Is Farkette's friend in the USA?

If so, she needs to be introduced to a therapist AND security consultant friend of mine. His name is Mr. Mossberg. Set up an appointed at earliest convenience.


www.mossberg.com
2012-07-24 06:01:21 AM
2 votes:
9 times out of ten these stories end up like this one.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/sites.wpengine/scelebs/wp-content/old_picture s /mccainattack1.jpg

When I was in B'more a black merchant threw a brick with a note threw his shop window, and spray painted KKK on the outside. Yeah, he wanted out of the lease agreement and the business was failing.

s3.amazonaws.com
2012-07-24 05:49:34 AM
2 votes:

toddalmighty: PhiloeBedoe: Red Shirt Blues: I hate to be that guy but.......this could be self inflicted. Kind of like that woman who threw acid in her own face. I was looking at pics of the messages left on her walls. Pretty good printing for spray paint. I mean if you're an attacker all stoked up smashing doors in committing violence and arson.......
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In one way I hope I am wrong, that nobody could contrive this, OTOH I hope I am right that nobody would be sick enough to storm somebody's house and mutilate her because she's gay.

Put me down for a big ol' THIS.

I'm with you guys.


No kidding. Self-inflicted hoax all the way. No assailants get together to carve "anti-gay slurs" in a stranger, gay or not. It's something a closet crazy person THINKS others would do, it's a bizarre fantasy.

And it just keeps going- started a fire which conveniently didn't burn the place down. Come on. Who throws gasoline around and DOESN'T make a real fire?? You gotta pay close attention to just how you spill it to NOT burn the place down. Mysterious strangers who spill only a small, controlled amount of gasoline and light it and walk away? Naaaaw.

I'm not saying people aren't capable of doing horrible things. And there are people who thing gays should DIAF and aren't beyond doing horrible things under the wrong circumstances. But this ain't that. This is a delusional fantasy.
2012-07-24 05:41:17 AM
2 votes:

TheDumbBlonde: No Christian was involved in this heinous crime.


Also this. Jesus never said to attack thy neighbor and cut them. Bigots do however, and then hide behind religion.
2012-07-24 05:34:58 AM
2 votes:
My advice: move the fark out of Nebraska.
2012-07-24 01:59:34 AM
2 votes:
Denver and Boulder are pretty safe and not as dramatic a move from Lincoln as California.

If your friend takes any kind of escape option and you contact me (eip) in advance we can bring a few folks to help with the move. Safety in numbers and all that. I'd be willing to burn a weekend to help someone get out of a place like that.
2012-07-24 12:42:41 AM
2 votes:
Humans suck,.
2012-07-27 12:34:32 AM
1 votes:
2012-07-26 12:56:04 AM
1 votes:

xl5150: Rogan999: The "3 Masked Men" are guilty. The people who are arrested for it are innocent until proven guilty.

Seeing how the three masked men don't exist, I don't believe they can be guilty.


You fail at Boolean logic. All nonexistent men are guilty, by vacuous implication.

Speaking of which, you could probably typeset this whole thread and sell it as a textbook on logical fallacies.
2012-07-26 12:30:53 AM
1 votes:

Xcott: Again, Occam's razor: you hear about a crime on the Internet and the facts don't add up. Which is a simpler explanation, that the crime was a hoax, or that Internet people screwed up some of the facts?


Well, since I'm smarter than anyone else here and I say that this was a hoax, the simplest explanation is that I'm right and it's a hoax.
2012-07-25 08:16:18 PM
1 votes:

2wolves: EmmaLou:

EIP. Would appreciate any further info.

Take care & be well.


Same here. Keep those of us that give a damn posted.
2012-07-25 04:17:54 PM
1 votes:
So, if I'm putting two and two together based on the blog post linked earlier in the thread, then its pretty obvious who the victim is: a former Olympic-candidate shot putter who ended up addicted to coke and meth and who was featured on A&E's intervention.

Since the show she's apparently relapsed and then also has a list of criminal activity including robbery and prostitution.

This whole thing is just crazy.
2012-07-25 04:02:04 PM
1 votes:
This thread:

"Wow... that story sounds pretty fishy. I'd bet it was a hoax."

"Have some compassion... hoax or not... it's a horrible story either way."

"It is pretty horrible, and I feel bad if it is indeed real... just saying that the whole story just doesn't seem right."

"You're a bigot and homophobe. Where i your proof that it's a hoax?!?!"

"No I'm not. Don't have any proof. Just saying the whole thing seems really suspicious."

"A- Ha!!! You just said you have no proof!!! I WIN!!!"

/Scene
2012-07-25 03:27:15 PM
1 votes:

Xcott: but it isn't a logical response that causes people to believe in hoax theories based on facts they mostly made up.


You really need to stop repeating this lie. We're interpreting the facts presented, there's a huge difference.

Creationist type logic(aka people who believe the victim's story): I was told this story, so I believe it even if some facts don't fit well.

Rational logic(people who suspect a hoax): I have these facts available, so I will piece them together based on things I've observed before.

People who say this is a hoax are at least using their brain.
2012-07-25 01:58:30 PM
1 votes:
Xcott

When even some of the most ardent supporters of LGBT rights aren't on your side, you might want to consider the idea that your vision is clouded. Your counterpoints don't even make enough sense to warrant a direct response. You just sound overly angry, which is strange since this happened to neither you nor anyone you personally know. As someone stated earlier, I think you're suffering from confirmation bias, you're taking the word of a person you never met over a series of facts that when considered as a whole, cast strong doubt on the story. I believe you just want it to be true, despite a fairly large list of events that are uncharacteristic of traditional violent attacks.
2012-07-25 01:35:05 PM
1 votes:

EmmaLou: Subby has been posting, and I believe I posted around midnight last night when my character was called into question. I have a job, and I'm sorry that I can't monitor Fark all day.

I just submitted the story to start a dialoge, which happened, as that's what Fark is about. If it's a hoax, it's a hoax, and I feel sorry that she felt she had to do that for whatever reason. If it's not a hoax, then I feel sorry that people like this are out there.

Someone up farther asked about donations, so I posted the only link I know where they're accepting donations. I don't solicite donations.


Hey hang in there. You didn't do anything wrong. Do what you gotta do and don't worry about what anyone here says. If a friend of mine was just cut up and in bad shape, I don't think I'd be all like "PROVE IT!". Just know that there are a lot of folks who, for one reason or another, are skeptical and try not to take it personally, even the things that have been directed at you personally.

Take care. If I were you, I would let this thread go. Nothing good is going to come out of here now.

/one of the skeptics
2012-07-25 12:52:13 PM
1 votes:

MooseUpNorth: Look, I don't have all the facts. Not even most of the facts. What facts I have are no better than third hand, at least. It's not my job to make a judgment here. I'm not on a jury. It costs me nothing to sympathize. Not even genuine sympathy. I have absolutely no reason not to take this at face value for now, and basic human decency requires it.


Basic human decency? On FARK? It's...



...about as likely as you'd think.

*sadface*

/yeah, welcome to fark, I know.
2012-07-25 10:33:39 AM
1 votes:

Deucednuisance: No real pyro would. Trust me, I'm a pyro. I like to burn things and I love using accererants of all kinds. (Shellac will give you a hell of a bang for your combustible buck, for instance.) but if you think you can make a proper fire with a gas "trail", brother, you've been watching too many movies and not blowing enough shiat up.

In Other Words: you are too ill-informed to have a valid opinion in this matter and should probably stop talking.


You're no pyro, othewise you'd know that's not true in the slightest. Seriously stop arguing this point, you're killing your credibility far too quickly. Making gasoline into a trail for a makeshift fuse is absolutely a real thing.

Deucednuisance: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Considering how many people I've seen coming to the same conclusion in many other forums on different websites, I'm not being unreasonable.

Well, there it is: the "Britney Spears is a Musical Genius" fallacy. It's rare to see outside its normal nesting grounds, try not to startle it. Beautiful Plumage!


Sigh. I'm not claiming this as "proof" of anything other than the idea that it's not so far fetched of a suspicion. Most people here are acting like anyone who even doubts the official story is a bigot, I doubt bigots have an alert/propaganda site to flood forums with posters and their alts like giyus.org does.

fuhfuhfuh: TIME FOR LOGIC!

Facts we have so far, regardless of news source:

1. Woman showed up naked at neighbors house, bleeding from multiple cuts
2. Law enforcement was called to scene, found small fire in house but not a threat
3. Woman claims 3 masked assailants committed crime
4. Phrases were spray-painted in her basement, of a derogatory nature

Now, taking all of those into account logically, where is the logical assumption that she staged the whole thing? Point to the fact that allows that assumption to be logically arrived at.


Here's a more accurate list of facts.

1) Motive - Lincoln has been the site of recent debate about LGBT rights, the Journal Star reports. In addition to a Pride celebration, the City Council approved a measure to ban discrimination in housing and employment based on sexual orientation and gender identity, but opponents have gathered enough signatures to qualify the measure for a public vote. The vote is coming up in November, this will gain the LGBT position tons of sympathy. The attackers would have to be ultimately stupid to not realize this, she is now as close to a martyr as it gets.

2)Spray paint on basement wall does not appear to me male handwriting, also hate message would soon be destroyed if house burned down as intended, rendering the act pointless. The attackers would have to be ultimately stupid.

3)Cuts- on arms and stomach are suspect. Both spots are easily self inflicted, also no significant damage was done as the victim was treated only briefly at the hospital. Attackers who are willing to burn someone alive wouldn't care to avoid more grievous wounds. Additionally, hate messages would be pointless if the victim burned to death, messages wouldn't be visible. The attackers would have to be ultimately stupid.

4) zip tie, one of the few methods of restraint that can be self applied in a believable manner.

5) fire, a fire started with gasoline that caused only $200 worth in damages must be a result of spectacular ineptitude, or by someone careful enough to be sure the fire had no additional combustibles nearby. The attackers would have to be ultimately stupid.

6)Masks, the attackers wore masks even though the attack was carried out within her home, and they intended her to burn in a house fire. If she would soon be dead, what is the point of wearing a mask? However in this one instance, the attackers suddenly have become overcautious, a trait not seen in literally any of the items listed previously.
2012-07-25 09:50:05 AM
1 votes:

MooseUpNorth: Big Ramifications: Go read a book. Your team lost.

Do you even hear yourself? Disgusting.

~
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You are disgusted. Therefore I am wrong.
2012-07-25 07:11:50 AM
1 votes:

SkunkWerks Protip for you hate crime hoax enthusiasts...

You idiot. Have a listen to how butt-hurt you sound. There was no enthusiasm for any particular outcome, apart from the misplaced enthusiasm from team I WANT TO BELIEVE. Common sense lead some people down a particular path and it is was it was. Erm.

Go read a book. Your team lost.

elffster: But you seem to want to make this your personal quest for vigilance. You strike me as being a very petty and stupid person.


Another butt-hurt hater yelling at clouds, as already pointed out by MoeSzyslak.
2012-07-25 01:38:45 AM
1 votes:

Epiphany: EmmaLou: Epiphany: xl5150: Just out of curiosity (and I'm not saying this the case), but what will happen with all the money donated if this does turn out to be a hoax?
Good question, I wonder if thats why EmmaLou backed off asking people for money.

i just linked there bc someone asked. christ ppl. this thread wasnt about asking for money...i linked to the news story when i submitted. i believe its real. I've seen her. I'm sorry if others don't care or are suspicious she has money for herself and doesn't need donations. Thanks for calling into question my character, too, which is really unnecessary. there's no reason for that.

It's nothing personal, just really suspicious when someone comes into a thread to ask for money for a cause, after submitting the link, and then later says they don't want any money. Again, nothing personal, just, suspicious.


I don't know if you're trolling, or what. Join the Facebook group "Vigil for Violence." She's a friend of mine. I worked with her. I don't need money, I have my own. I don't need some idiot on the internet "just saying" that I'm a liar and a con artist. I've been around here for years. I've donated to the RapidDog fund, I was upset when others have died or had life threatening issues. I'm a good person, and for some random fool on the internet to make me out to be a con artist is too much. You should be ashamed of yourself.

I linked to the place where they are taking donations because someone was wondering about it. I have nothing at all to do with any of the money that is being donated for this cause.
2012-07-25 01:19:12 AM
1 votes:

Coelacanth: I've never seen this much homophobia online in my life. All of you people should be ashamed of yourselves. I really suspect that WBC members must have accounts here. Everytime it looks like that Fark has taken a step forward, it turns out that it's taken two steps back.


Thinking that a claim sounds suspicious based on the information provided =/= homophobia. I have no problem with homosexuals and I will be sad if it turns out that this is a hoax because that instance of crying wolf would be a disservice to the entire gay community. Actually, a hoax of this magnitude is something a homophobic would do in order to discredit the gay community.
2012-07-25 12:11:11 AM
1 votes:
Maybe it was three women who did this. Ever think of that?

That explains the nice handwriting AND the inability to start a proper fire.
2012-07-25 12:09:02 AM
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Xcott: BraveNewCheneyWorld: If it's real then I'm sure most of us apologize, however if you look around the internet, there are literally dozens of other websites where a great many of the commenters suspect a hoax as well.

How does it feel to set a lower bar than truthers and creationists?

We're all basing our opinions on facts, you're basing your opinion based your faith in the integrity of someone you've never seen, which one of us is more like a creationist?


So far, the majority of your "facts" seem to be random things you just made up. Like saying she didn't go to the hospital (wrong,) saying she wasn't beaten (how would you know?,) and declaring how a gasoline fire would burn in an attempted arson (again, how would you know?)

Not to mention all this bullshiat posturing about criminal psychology; maybe you have an Internet Degree in that too.

/But don't forget, you have commenters from "literally dozens of websites" backing you up.
//DOZENS. We're talking double-digit numbers here, people.
2012-07-24 10:44:49 PM
1 votes:

Occam's Nailfile: I invite you to explain to me why someone would bother bringing gasoline to someone's house in order to make a little fire on some concrete after carving into her.


By that ridiculous logic, all acts of attempted arson are hoaxes. So are all attempted murders: why would anyone bother firing a gun at someone just to miss and make a little hole in the wall?

You don't seem to understand that crimes don't go exactly as intended---that maybe the attackers tried to set the house on fire, but it didn't spread.

Three people couldn't manage to start a fire. With gasoline.

Are you under the impression that they each tried to start the fire in sequence as three independent Bernoulli events?

The number of people lighting the fire has no effect on whether or how it spreads when they leave.
2012-07-24 08:52:37 PM
1 votes:
When a story like this comes out, you find out what people are like. Anyone with a shred of feeling in their coal-black little heart will extend some sympathy to the victim. Those with issues pressing on them (bias towards Christians, gays, not wanting to be sad because if p=sad and x=truth then p can't equal x because I don't like feeling sad) post 20+ comments in the thread about how their view is right. Simple fact is, there's not enough to know before you can make your judgment.

All those declaring that this is a hoax because everything didn't happen in their tightly outlined set of circumstances is a farking moron. Might it be a hoax? It's possible. Since that's not certain, you can at least extend the benefit of the farking doubt that's it's not and show some sympathy towards the girl's friend who's commented in this thread.

Really sad to see this from Fark. This is like WoW general chat material.
2012-07-24 08:32:15 PM
1 votes:

kymike78: You really do owe EmmaLou an apology for calling her a liar for telling you the story as she knows it.


I have not once called her a liar. However she didn't witness the event, so I simply have to rely on the news reports.

kymike78: The appropriate, response when someone says, "Holy fark my friend was hurt!" is not "your friend is a lying slag," regardless of your personal opinions about the situation. The appropriate response for anyone with a shred of humanity in their cold black heart is, "I am so sorry. I hope everything works out ok."


I was pretty clear that I don't know with 100% certainty, and I did express that if this did in fact happen then I feel sorry for her friend, nobody should receive that treatment. On the other hand, I find it peculiar that not only are so many people quick to dismiss a rather significant sum of questionable facts, but that they are outright hostile towards people who point out such inconsistencies.

kymike78: But that's right, you're just calling them as you see them. Wouldn't want to change your opinion as more facts and articles are mentioned. Or have you admit that maybe one source didn't get every single fact correct or even reported. Nope, couldn't do that. Wouldn't want to change horses mid-stream. Gotta be boot-strappy and draw all your conclusions from facts you found yourself.


If more facts come out, I'd be perfectly willing to switch my stance. My opinion is based solely on the preponderance of the reported evidence. Considering how many people I've seen coming to the same conclusion in many other forums on different websites, I'm not being unreasonable.
2012-07-24 08:20:30 PM
1 votes:

EmmaLou: As for the fire, you're claiming ineptitude, which means they did intend to burn more than a tiny section of flooring. I honestly have a hard time believing that they'd place such a small amount of gasoline in a single area causing little real damage. It sounds exactly like what someone perpetrating a hoax would do if they intended to bring fire into the act but wanted to be sure they didn't lose all of their possessions and pets. And no, I don't expect the gasoline to explode, but I doubt that people who would do this would avoid taking the time to spread gasoline around the room, which would make the entire place go up in seconds once lit. No, instead they tied her with a zip tie, (which is also one of the few methods of restraint that can be self applied), poured none of the gas on her, and poured it in such a way to avoid cutting off an exit she could crawl through. I'm not saying there's a 100% chance this is a hoax, but it sure looks like the facts fit.

They don't keep people in the hospital for days or weeks on end. People with heart attacks and back surgeries are out over night.

Thanks Farkers for nothing. I thought maybe I'd see nice words of encouragement for her or a discussion about bigotry. I was hoping for a little redemption of the human spirit. What I got was just exactly the opposite. People suck. WTF is wrong with people? I've completely lost my faith in humanity and this was just the nail in the coffin. When something bad happens and I see something posted on here about your loved one or friend, I'm not going to care any more. I'd kind of like my money back from all of the times I've donated to help your causes.



people fake getting assaulted literally all the farking time.
for f*cked up reasons or no reason at all. this is god damn motherfarking america. people go so far in this country themselves as to hang themselves to death and throw acid on their own faces. people spend decades in prison and lose out on their chances to ever become anything because people falsely claim assault all the time.

even though at this point I'm more inclined to believe it was true than simply because of your assertion that she had pets at home at the time, I still recognize this one smells fishy as hell.
if your friend had a broken jaw, 99.9999% of people would question shiat. if there was a neighbor who said saw a strange car parked at an odd time out there, or a group of guys at the door they'd believe you. If she had a slur carved on her back they would believe you. if she was hogtied behind her back they would believe you. if she had a broken rib they'd probably believe you, even though people have literally hung themselves to death to sell a hoax not to long ago.

as it stands now, it's kind of unusual for someone who apparently has their house invaded in the middle of the night by 3 masked men, who is then stripped naked and tied up yet not sexually assaulted, then carved on with a knife, then has their house set on fire in an attempt to murder her, to wind up with absolutely zero corroborative evidence that anyone was ever even there at this point.

literally everything that has been mentioned as evidence, quite inconveniently for your friend, fits in a way that one person for their own insane reasons could have made this up.

indeed, the veracity of your friends story being challenged and a group of assholes is to blame, but of course your not blaming them, you are blaming the people that quite rationally would like just one shred of direct evidence that an intruder even existed.
2012-07-24 08:17:35 PM
1 votes:

Boatmech: BraveNewCheneyWorld:
If it's real then I'm sure most of us apologize, however if you look around the internet, there are literally dozens of other websites where a great many of the commenters suspect a hoax as well. You should be less angry at our skepticism than you should be at those who have perpetrated similar hoaxes in the past. It's those people who caused this, not us.
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Have any of the victim/donation/whatever threads previously greenlit on FARK turned out to be hoaxes?
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Mods? Admins? Anybody know?


loonatic112358: BraveNewCheneyWorld: MooseUpNorth: I want you to listen to just how paranoid you've been sounding

It's not paranoia to point out that a string of facts strongly support an alternate story. Go read other forums on the internet about this story, there are many people who suspect a hoax as well, in fact I've never seen this number of people suspect a beating was a hoax. Why do you think that is? I certainly feel bad if it's real, however I won't apologize for following facts to their logical conclusion.

and which other forums have you been trolling in, in regards to this story?


Trolling? You people really can't just use that word literally every time someone comes to a different conclusion than you. The facts suggest this is a hoax, and I'm not the only person to think so. So no, not a troll, just someone who sees the situation more objectively.
2012-07-24 08:16:28 PM
1 votes:

muck4doo: Oblio13: muck4doo: ... Stalin would send you to prison for it, and he was not religious....

Stalin trained for the priesthood.

Yet he didn't become a priest, did he? He became the leader of the most powerful Atheist government the world has probably ever known, and hated religious people.

/And homosexuals too.


Oh, and in addition, after stalin died, the atheist government continued to persecute homosexuals. It wasn't until that Atheist led government was disbanded that the persecution stopped. So don't use anymore of your "no true scotsman" fallacies.
2012-07-24 08:12:02 PM
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: It's not paranoia to point out that a string of facts strongly support an alternate story. Go read other forums on the internet about this story, there are many people who suspect a hoax as well, in fact I've never seen this number of people suspect a beating was a hoax. Why do you think that is? I certainly feel bad if it's real, however I won't apologize for following facts to their logical conclusion.


You really do owe EmmaLou an apology for calling her a liar for telling you the story as she knows it. The appropriate, response when someone says, "Holy fark my friend was hurt!" is not "your friend is a lying slag," regardless of your personal opinions about the situation. The appropriate response for anyone with a shred of humanity in their cold black heart is, "I am so sorry. I hope everything works out ok."

But that's right, you're just calling them as you see them. Wouldn't want to change your opinion as more facts and articles are mentioned. Or have you admit that maybe one source didn't get every single fact correct or even reported. Nope, couldn't do that. Wouldn't want to change horses mid-stream. Gotta be boot-strappy and draw all your conclusions from facts you found yourself.

/just calling it like I see it
2012-07-24 08:11:01 PM
1 votes:
Don't send money. This isn't supposed to be about sending cash. This is about a crime that happened to my friend. I just want good thoughts to be sent her way.

Another link for people who care: Link
2012-07-24 07:51:16 PM
1 votes:

Oblio13: muck4doo: ... Stalin would send you to prison for it, and he was not religious....

Stalin trained for the priesthood.


Yet he didn't become a priest, did he? He became the leader of the most powerful Atheist government the world has probably ever known, and hated religious people.

/And homosexuals too.
2012-07-24 07:11:26 PM
1 votes:

EmmaLou: Thanks Farkers for nothing. I thought maybe I'd see nice words of encouragement for her or a discussion about bigotry. I was hoping for a little redemption of the human spirit. What I got was just exactly the opposite. People suck. WTF is wrong with people? I've completely lost my faith in humanity and this was just the nail in the coffin. When something bad happens and I see something posted on here about your loved one or friend, I'm not going to care any more. I'd kind of like my money back from all of the times I've donated to help your causes.


If it's real then I'm sure most of us apologize, however if you look around the internet, there are literally dozens of other websites where a great many of the commenters suspect a hoax as well. You should be less angry at our skepticism than you should be at those who have perpetrated similar hoaxes in the past. It's those people who caused this, not us.
2012-07-24 07:10:09 PM
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: fuhfuhfuh: So the facts from this version of the story are that she was indeed beaten

Seriously? Can you not read? I said..

BraveNewCheneyWorld: She's in "hiding", so if they beat her, it wasn't severe enough to send her to the hospital, which is strange for people who are willing to carve her skin. And the cutting itself was shallow enough that no extended medical intervention was required, which is strangely careful for people who intended to burn her to death only moments later. That's pretty inconsistent behavior.

fuhfuhfuh: This article has the three men waiting for her in the basement, which would have given them ample time to do their graffiti.

I said nothing about them not having time to write graffiti, I do however question why they would write graffiti in a basement if they intended to burn the house down.

fuhfuhfuh: This article says that the gasoline was spread around the house.

That article gives very little information on the extent of the spreading, frankly I suspect the reporter was incorrect. I haven't seen other articles mentioning this. The point stands though, it's hard to start a gas fire in a house that doesn't do much damage, that takes effort.

fuhfuhfuh: Where are you getting your "facts" from?

Um.. the article linked by a news aggregator called fark.com, and the corresponding forum.


SHE DID GO TO THE HOSPITAL YOU IGNORANT PIECE OF SHIAT! Perhaps if you read more than the seriously lacking shiatty linked article and peanut-gallery hoax accusation posts, you would have known this. And now we get you saying that a reporter might be mistaken whilst taking the linked article as the be-all, end-all evidence. Face it, you are making assumptions based on your own pig-headed bias, same as all of the other people in here rushing to the "hoax" judgement.
2012-07-24 07:04:05 PM
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: fuhfuhfuh

She's in "hiding", so if they beat her, it wasn't severe enough to send her to the hospital, which is strange for people who are willing to carve her skin. And the cutting itself was shallow enough that no extended medical intervention was required, which is strangely careful for people who intended to burn her to death only moments later. That's pretty inconsistent behavior.

As for the fire, you're claiming ineptitude, which means they did intend to burn more than a tiny section of flooring. I honestly have a hard time believing that they'd place such a small amount of gasoline in a single area causing little real damage. It sounds exactly like what someone perpetrating a hoax would do if they intended to bring fire into the act but wanted to be sure they didn't lose all of their possessions and pets. And no, I don't expect the gasoline to explode, but I doubt that people who would do this would avoid taking the time to spread gasoline around the room, which would make the entire place go up in seconds once lit. No, instead they tied her with a zip tie, (which is also one of the few methods of restraint that can be self applied), poured none of the gas on her, and poured it in such a way to avoid cutting off an exit she could crawl through. I'm not saying there's a 100% chance this is a hoax, but it sure looks like the facts fit.


They don't keep people in the hospital for days or weeks on end. People with heart attacks and back surgeries are out over night.

Thanks Farkers for nothing. I thought maybe I'd see nice words of encouragement for her or a discussion about bigotry. I was hoping for a little redemption of the human spirit. What I got was just exactly the opposite. People suck. WTF is wrong with people? I've completely lost my faith in humanity and this was just the nail in the coffin. When something bad happens and I see something posted on here about your loved one or friend, I'm not going to care any more. I'd kind of like my money back from all of the times I've donated to help your causes.
2012-07-24 06:53:07 PM
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: fuhfuhfuh

She's in "hiding", so if they beat her, it wasn't severe enough to send her to the hospital, which is strange for people who are willing to carve her skin. And the cutting itself was shallow enough that no extended medical intervention was required, which is strangely careful for people who intended to burn her to death only moments later. That's pretty inconsistent behavior.

As for the fire, you're claiming ineptitude, which means they did intend to burn more than a tiny section of flooring. I honestly have a hard time believing that they'd place such a small amount of gasoline in a single area causing little real damage. It sounds exactly like what someone perpetrating a hoax would do if they intended to bring fire into the act but wanted to be sure they didn't lose all of their possessions and pets. And no, I don't expect the gasoline to explode, but I doubt that people who would do this would avoid taking the time to spread gasoline around the room, which would make the entire place go up in seconds once lit. No, instead they tied her with a zip tie, (which is also one of the few methods of restraint that can be self applied), poured none of the gas on her, and poured it in such a way to avoid cutting off an exit she could crawl through. I'm not saying there's a 100% chance this is a hoax, but it sure looks like the facts fit.


So the facts from this version of the story are that she was indeed beaten. This article has the three men waiting for her in the basement, which would have given them ample time to do their graffiti. This article says that the gasoline was spread around the house.

Where are you getting your "facts" from?
2012-07-24 06:27:39 PM
1 votes:

Callous: I don't know if this has been previously mentioned as I haven't read the entire thread.

After reading several articles on this attack one thing has puzzled me. They forced their way into her house forcibly subdued her, stripped her naked, zip-tied her, and used a knife to carve words into her skin but there's no mention of any other bumps, bruises, or contusions. Just the carved words. I find it hard to believe that 3 guys with that level of hatred for her wouldn't have beaten the crap out of her. There should be some kind of bumps, bruises and defensive wounds at least from the struggle while they were stripping her.

That being said, I hope that the story is false as that would mean we have one person that's crying out for help that can be helped and not three psychos that probably won't make the same mistake with the fire burning out again.


Homophobe!!!!!! My initial reaction was "somebody should kill these farkers", but then it sank in - the story is almost certainly bullshiat. That's what I thought that before coming to Fark this morning. After reading about how this happened to a Farkette's friend...that cinched it.

It is in the realm of "could be true" but it is probably made up, unless one or more of the following happen:

The woman identifies a vehicle the assailants used and ANYONE corroborates the presence of the vehicle at her house.

Someone comes forward to say "yeah, I saw some guys walking to her door, but I didn't think anything of it"

There is some physical evidence of the presence of these men. Are we to believe their garments didn't contain a single misplaced hair and the struggle resulted in no DNA under anyone's fingernails, no blood loss, and no fingerprints? No shoe prints in blood? No clothing prints from their knees being in the blood on the floor?

There has to be more than surface damage to her body. Anyone who has cleaned/gutted an animal knows it is hard to cut the outside without cutting the inside. It would be very hard to slice words into the skin of a person struggling and writhing in pain and to not gash deeply, probably damaging organs. If this cutting resembles the famous backwards 'B', that's a bad sign for credibility. If the letters are almost completely illegible and her skin is a complete wreck with permanent deep and uneven scars...more credible and sad.

Nobody should feel bad at all to doubt this story. I only mention because I sort of feel bad myself for doubting, and there certainly a few farks here at fark that would like us to feel bad for even doubting. fark them. There is a history of activists setting themselves up as victims of bigotry.

Google "hate crime hoax" - there are some farked up people out there.

Here are Link

So if this one turns out to be probably or definitely true, it's not like you'd owe anyone an apology for having serious doubts. If you don't have any doubt AT ALL, you are probably a good target for a con artist.
2012-07-24 06:20:50 PM
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Why write messages on skin and a house that you intend to burn?


To torture. If I personally wanted to kill someone I found abhorrent, I would torture them first to get my aggressions out, then kill them. Then again, I have a bit of a psychotic streak in me.

Why was gasoline used so ineffectively as to appear to be a deliberate effort to cause no real damage?

Ineptitude on the part of the attackers as to the flame properties of gasoline. It is supposed to explode when you throw a match to it like in a movie, right?

Why was she not savagely beaten if they were willing to carve her skin?

Other reports of this story have her neighbor describing her appearance as that of someone that had been "tortured". No evidence as to whether or not the cuts were the only damage that has been presented, just that the cuts existed and were prominent.

You are making an ass-load of inference in assuming it is a hoax, especially considering that details have not been fully released.
2012-07-24 06:18:07 PM
1 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: We should take up a collection to send her to a gay-friendly place such as L.A. or S.F.


Actually, Lincoln has a very large and active LGBT community, even by the standards of more liberal states. Even when I was in school over 20 years back we had openly gay teachers, clubs diversity-assemblies etc.
Of course that really only applies to Lincoln. The further you get from college and university campuses, the less tolerant us locals start to become

I know, CSB.
I hate that when every we get headlines, it is always for something crappy as hell.
Hope Subby's friend will be okay and they catch the folk who did it..
2012-07-24 05:58:27 PM
1 votes:
Subby, I hope your friend gets better.

:(


/Had a friend who was the victim of something very similar.
//Don't remember if they ever caught the bastards.
2012-07-24 05:48:55 PM
1 votes:
To the jerks who don't think gay people just get beaten for the hell of it here are 2 other incidents from the last week:

DC Police investigating beating of yoga instructor, his partner as hate crime
Family says beaten teen girl is a victim of a hate crime

So yeah. It happens. Fark you for saying it doesn't.

I know this is fark but, seriously, what's with all the blame the victim crap? "Oooh, well I'm jaded." Yeah, well so is everyone else; it doesn't make you a special snowflake. And the fact you're being that much of an ass when it's a fellow farker's friend is pretty reprehensible. I hope none of you have someone dear in a situation like this ever so you never have to deal with jerks like you.

And for the 2 of you who are betting on whether this is real or not? Wow. You suck. Your reaction of "let's bet on whether this lady is lying" instead of actually doing anything constructive - like donating the money you're betting, or not being total tools - is why we, as humans, can't have nice things.
2012-07-24 05:17:31 PM
1 votes:

Maul555: This is true. When I was around 10, me and my best friend decided to go take a bunch of gasoline and pour it into a large bowl, set in the middle of the street so we didnt catch anything on fire... We then attempted to use matches to set it ablaze. We literally extinguished the matches in the pool of gasoline. It would not catch.


It's all in the conditions. Back in my trailer park days (I lived in a trailer park for a few years) one of my neighbors burned down his trailer by trying to fill a kerosene heater on his porch. I'm still a little unclear on how he managed this. I, on the other hand, had an ancient pot-burner furnace which was lit by allowing a thin layer of kerosene to flow into the bottom of the burner and tossing in a burning rag. Yes, really. This is how I discovered that kerosene is an excellent substance to extinguish burning rags with. :-( Lighting that thing was a black art.

Someone who's seen too many of the wrong movies (you know, the kind where a car flies off a cliff and blows up in mid air) could certainly expect a match thrown into a puddle of gasoline to touch off a huge fire that engulfs the house. It works that way on TV, doesn't it? So yeah, I can easily see an inexperienced arsonist (aka some random punk) thinking he's going to get a lot bigger result than he got, tossing his match, and scramming before everything blew up (even though it wasn't going to).

Oh, and as for the grill story: that wasn't gasoline on a flat, impermeable floor where only the surface can interact with air; that was gasoline spread over an open structure made of porous substances (aka charcoal) meant to burn easily. Of course you get more dramatic results. Next time you're filling the lawnmower, though, try putting some gasoline in a dish and tossing in a match. The lack of explosion will badly disappoint you. Look up what a WW2 "Benghazi burner" was.
2012-07-24 04:46:19 PM
1 votes:
I am sorry to hear this.

It sickens me.
2012-07-24 04:42:10 PM
1 votes:
If someone ever actually goes to jail, heck is even brought to trial for this, I will gladly post how wrong I was, how I jumped to a false conclusion, and otherwise eat all the crow that gets dished out...

And of course, I will gladly dish out the crow, if I'm NOT wrong..
2012-07-24 04:41:35 PM
1 votes:

susansto-helit: Red Shirt Blues: I hate to be that guy but.......this could be self inflicted. Kind of like that woman who threw acid in her own face. I was looking at pics of the messages left on her walls. Pretty good printing for spray paint. I mean if you're an attacker all stoked up smashing doors in committing violence and arson.......
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In one way I hope I am wrong, that nobody could contrive this, OTOH I hope I am right that nobody would be sick enough to storm somebody's house and mutilate her because she's gay.

Isn't it a bit hard to bind your own feet and hands with zip ties, though? I've never used them, but that doesn't sound easy.


Read TFA again. She was found outside, in the street, bleeding from several superficial wounds. No massive blunt force traumas were noted. If truly bound with wire ties, she'd still be tied. If this was a real attack, She'd be broken, toothless, raped and burned alive, as men who would go to all this trouble would have done a better job of the tied up thing, the cut up thing, the beaten to a pulp thing and especially the raging fire thing. Real men know how to make a real fire, and anyone wishing to torch her house could have easily done so. Damages were $200? Ha! A cub scout could build a better fire than that.

And oh yes, she was not reported to have been raped. Three adreneline-rushed males, a subdued, hog-tied female prisoner. Oh come on folks.

Nothing here is what it seems. None of the details add up. Shenanigans.
2012-07-24 04:15:17 PM
1 votes:

xanadian: If she's an ACTIVIST working for rights for lesbians AND gay men, then she's a prime target.

What these mouthbreathers that allegedly attacked her don't understand is: you kill an activist, all you've done is created a martyr. Examples: Dr. King, Malcom X, Matt Sheppard, etc.

But, nobody's accusing the perps of being particularly bright...

there is another side to this equation that you are forgetting.

Oops, you're right.

Malcom X potato ^ 2 = e (sqrt(-1)).

/math is hard
//and I'm a wiseass
///yes, I'm willing to entertain this could be the gay bashing version of some kind of Poe's law, but I feel it isn't
////so far


I mean who is more likely to commit a hoax?
the non activist or the activist?
it may make it somewhat more likely she was attacked, but it also might make it more somewhat more likely that she would be inclined to perpetrate a hoax.
does she have beloved indoor animals she left in the house when she fled, and what was the gasoline poured on. that could tell you a lot.

/what if a hate group was so devious as to cut slurs on you written backwards, so it would appear correct when seen in a mirror? then set fire to your bathroom tile.
diabolical. no one would ever believe you.
2012-07-24 03:57:59 PM
1 votes:

Occam's Nailfile: Oh, and:

"City Fire Inspector Damon Robbins said a match ignited vapors from a pool of gasoline on the woman's floor, but the flash fire did not continue to burn and caused no noticeable damage to the house. Police records put total damage at $200."

They hated her so much that they tied her up and carved into her, yet they didn't even make sure the fire spread as intended?

I now officially call bullshiat.


Because they're going to stand around giving each other high-fives while waiting to see if the fire spreads appropriately? Or is it more likely they dropped the match and bolted, Occam?
2012-07-24 03:56:31 PM
1 votes:

EmmaLou: The Lincoln police department is pretty much a bunch of no-nothing idiots. I had another friend who was in an accident where a truck tried to merge into her lane and she was dragged under the truck for a block and they called it a no-fault accident. This is the investigative powerhouse that's dealing with this crime. The LPD is full of Barney Fifes.


That post kind of took a left turn.

Fortunately, they split off the Hate Crime Section from the Traffic Section a couple of years ago.
2012-07-24 03:54:52 PM
1 votes:

xanadian: What these mouthbreathers that allegedly attacked her don't understand is: you kill an activist, all you've done is created a martyr


So you think three people who opposed her politically got together, planned this, and the thought that it might make her a martyr never crossed their minds?

And then they poured gasoline, lit a fire, and it didn't burn anything.

Three people couldn't manage to start a fire. With gasoline.
2012-07-24 03:13:13 PM
1 votes:
As a long time Farker, I'm so disappointed in the community's response. I've been there through everyone else's problems: hoping for speedy recoveries, giving encouraging words, and giving actual money to every cause I could. I didn't link this story to a donation site.

This woman is in hiding. She's not out here showing everyone what was done to her. She's not talking to ANYONE. She doesn't want anyone to know who she is or where she is because she's afraid these people will come back to finish the job. She's afraid for her life. The chick who cut herself before the election was out there for sympathy. My friend is not.

She is the kindest, most decent person I've ever known. She recently started a business. Just last week she was thinking about starting a canine rescue. She's been involved in Star City Pride. The city of Lincoln is pretty much a hot-bed of anti-gay rhetoric because of an upcoming vote in November where the people will decide if gay folks can be discriminated against in housing and jobs. My friend has been called all kinds of names while just walking down the street. People have stopped her to tell her how evil her lifestyle is.

I'm thinking that she was a target because of her activism in the gay community. She's pretty well recognized within that circle and outsiders would know her.

The Lincoln police department is pretty much a bunch of no-nothing idiots. I had another friend who was in an accident where a truck tried to merge into her lane and she was dragged under the truck for a block and they called it a no-fault accident. This is the investigative powerhouse that's dealing with this crime. The LPD is full of Barney Fifes.
2012-07-24 03:12:31 PM
1 votes:

texanjeff: Ummmm... I am pretty sure Jesus never said "Hey run around and cut people who aren't like you"...


Ummm, that sort of thing should be obvious to people without invoking Jesus.

The Bible isn't somehow magical because it says "don't do bad things". Lots of other books say that too, and say it better.

They also aren't ambiguous, eg. with passages about killing gays snuck in to throw people off.

As a moral guide the BIble falls way short of the mark.
As a history book (as somebody claimed above) The Bible's a load of rubbish, maybe 90% errors.
As a novel ... it's extremely boring. There's a few good bits but it's mostly filler.

What use is it, exactly?
2012-07-24 03:01:27 PM
1 votes:

xl5150: Yes, I know what true suffering is.


No. No you do not.
2012-07-24 02:47:52 PM
1 votes:

BigNumber12: So... someone who resists a brutal occupying regime, who commits acts which are against the current unjust laws in hopes of creating a safe future for themselves and their children, is "irrational?


Do you consider that criminal?
2012-07-24 02:30:05 PM
1 votes:
Little more info it seems about the rally that was held.

PoI: At a hastily arranged vigil, Thompson read a statement from her friend thanking everyone for their quick response. Thompson also said she and her friend "always get harassed here and there" and they have suspicions about who the attackers might be.

May crush both the "It's a hoax" and "Roaming homophobes are attacking lesbians in Lincoln. This is America" crap in here.
2012-07-24 02:20:18 PM
1 votes:

dforkus: Well, you are wrong...


Thankfully, I have learned a very important lesson today from you sir.

Hate crimes almost never involve mutilating people or setting things on fire.

Thank you. I was led astray. Clearly.
2012-07-24 01:53:17 PM
1 votes:

SkunkWerks:
And none of what you've said really answers my questions. How is any of the proposed scenario less believable because it contains the events it does?


Are you serious?

three guys in ski masks burst into a home, ok happens on occasion in home invasion robberies, still quite rare..

three guys don't steal anything, but bind the home's sole occupant and carve some homophobic slurs into her body, the carvings are not life threatening.. Tell me when this has ever happened, and it wasn't a hoax, still, let's proceed:

The criminals, despite committing what is already at this point, a horrific crime and a class A felony, these guys are remarkable calm, they don't escalate into sexual assault, but they do go down into the basement and write some near perfectly scripted graffiti on the walls. They also, for some reason, start a gasoline fire inside the premises that remains nearly perfectly contained. They escape the premises, leaving no evidence, police are baffled...

Oh yah sure, this kind of thing happens all the time...

Are these sorts of events not common features of many hate crimes which have proven to have actually occurred?

No, they are not...

Because I think they very much are.

Well, you are wrong...
2012-07-24 01:30:02 PM
1 votes:
My experience of bigots and their crimes is that they are not exactly the brightest bulbs in the bunch.

Of course they "planned" it, the same way my students "plan" a term project - you think they always get A's out of all their planning? The number of mistakes made in routine work by allegedly smart college students is amazing.

All of the hate crimes I know about, personally, were committed by idiot racists. The most stupid involved a colleague of mine taking a group of students to the Skirball (Jewish) Center for the pretend archaeology dig they have there. There were only about 10 students, but too many to go altogether in one elevator. So while the teacher took all the ladies (and 1 guy) in the elevator, a group of four males waited for the next elevator.

One of those males had two cans of spray paint in his backpack. Now, did he plan this? No one ever figured out that part. It's a part of L.A. where many people are prepared to tag something if they get the urge. So, he pulls out the spray cans and two of the them paint swastikas. Inside an elevator. At a Jewish Cultural Center. In full view of the security cameras inside the elevator.

All four were arrested. Two were charged. Charges reduced to vandalism.

Which is why I rarely take students on fieldtrips, frankly.

And the time we heard crashing glass and ran outside, we actually saw the two white guys pulling away in their white truck, from having thrown a brick through the window of the new family's house (dad is black, mom is white), while shouting racial slurs. Did not get enough time to take their plate number. Did give report to police.

I can think of half a dozen more. Most involve stopping short of murder or the kind of mayhem mentioned in this article. My view of our local Neo-Nazis and KKK-members is that they are desperate to get their views out, but terrified to be personally identified as the ones with the views. The woman with the Neo-Nazi decorated truck, in my neighborhood, is the most "out of the closet" racist, but even she has taken some of the shiatt off her truck in the last year (and the guy with the huge Confederate flag has taken it down; I wonder why).
2012-07-24 01:26:47 PM
1 votes:

dforkus: Yet they leave no evidence


[Citation needed]
2012-07-24 01:26:22 PM
1 votes:
Everybody loves to speculate. Until more evidence comes out, nobody should blame Christians or herself for doing this. Also, since this country is mostly people who proclaim Christianity as their religious belief, of course you're going to see more Christians doing stupid things. That doesn't vindicate your atheism in any way. Homosexuality is also controversial in atheist nations. In fact Stalin would send you to prison for it, and he was not religious. Here's more info:

Link
2012-07-24 01:14:17 PM
1 votes:

Theaetetus: He's also apparently only 6 hours away from where the attack took place, according to his profile and Google.


Somehow this is the creepiest post in the thread.
2012-07-24 01:02:03 PM
1 votes:

Mid_mo_mad_man: Money is the reason she might have done it. Think about all those who have faked cancer? You sheep already started a "victims" fund.

Mid_mo_mad_man: Sounds staged. The fire is the key. Burning only a small amount. I bet any mementos and valuables were safe and sound. Wouldn't arsonist spread gas everywhere ?

Mid_mo_mad_man: If she faked it, will us doubters get a you were right all along?

Mid_mo_mad_man: How much the "victim" fund collect so far? Be she's making out well for this bs.

Mid_mo_mad_man: Follow the money! Between victims funds and the book she will write she's going to make money off this "attack"


Five comments, no responses to anyone else, all on the same theme blaming the victim...
Hopefully, someone at the Lincoln police department is taking a look at this thread, because the above posts don't sound like those of someone without a specific agenda regarding the victim.
2012-07-24 01:01:14 PM
1 votes:

SumoJeb: Hate to be the dick.. but I'm betting she did it to herself. This crime seems far too random and weird to be real. Girl gone done went crazy.


Mere days after the movie theater shooting and you're saying THIS crime seems "too random and weird?" DA FUQ?

You hate to be a dick... and yet here we are.
2012-07-24 12:58:03 PM
1 votes:
I'm typing this with an 11 foot pole... to say that I wouldn't touch this thread with 10 foot pole.
2012-07-24 12:57:29 PM
1 votes:
Follow the money! Between victims funds and the book she will write she's going to make money off this "attack"
2012-07-24 12:22:15 PM
1 votes:

MooseUpNorth: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Here's the thing, I'm just going based on facts, and they make little sense.

That's your problem. You're looking for reason in a series of inherently irrational acts. It doesn't make sense. These things rarely do.


Unless they were driving down the street and happened to have zip ties and 3 balaclavas, and spotted some woman at random that they instantly knew was a lesbian, and hated lesbians that much, then chances are they spent more than 3 minutes planning this attack out. Had they done that, they would have not made such blindingly stupid mistakes with even 3 fairly unintelligent heads working together.
2012-07-24 12:20:23 PM
1 votes:

JamuncaSpud: Anyone else find it strange subby hasn't posted again since the middle of the thread?


Did you read this thread? I'd have written us off by now.
2012-07-24 12:19:34 PM
1 votes:

xl5150: Bendal: The only "evidence" I've seen for your assertion is the claims of bigots who refuse to even imagine someone could have done this to someone else.

As I mentioned, I find the fact that someone accuses me of being "unable to fathom this happening" to be trivializing. I know of the evil that people can do. I have great uncles and great aunts who did not make it out of Auschwitz, and people profess to me that I'm skeptical simply because I can't fathom someone with hate in their heart doing an awful thing to someone who they have put into their evil sights? In this case, you guys are the ones who look foolish, because it becomes obvious how sheltered of a life you have all lead when this is the assumption you automatically make. I know of true suffering, as this is what my people have had to endure. I feel horrible for the girl in this story if what happened to her is accurate. I do have my suspicions and they are based in reality. Saying that I "can't fathom" something like this simply makes you look like a fool who has never been through anything trying in your life.


It was your family, not you, that made it through Auschwitz, so STFU with your "I know what true suffering is because I've been through it" diatribe.

Oh and a fark you for implying that everyone else's suffering doesn't count, you dirty douche.
2012-07-24 12:16:19 PM
1 votes:

Lernaeus: Sorry about your friend, Farkette - really, I am - but ALL CRIME IS "HATE" CRIME.

It's a dangerous road you're on that calls for the enhancement of penalties for some crimes because their motivations aren't politically correct.

I hate a gay basher as much as any bully, but punishing motivations is establishing thought crime and censorship.


So you're opposed to murder and manslaughter being separate crimes?

Bob who runs a red light and runs over a pedestrian should get the exactly same sentence as Steve who pulled out a gun and shot someone to death?

And "conspiracy to commit murder" shouldn't be a crime at all, right?
2012-07-24 12:13:54 PM
1 votes:
If anything, this thread proves the 'Greater Internet farkwad Theory' is still alive and well, and still pretty damn accurate.
2012-07-24 12:07:32 PM
1 votes:

Theaetetus: Every victim should have to prove their innocence before we ever take their word that a crime has been committed?
You offered the bet, specifically over whether it was self-inflicted. If there's total radio silence, then you've not even provided a shred of evidence that it was, so you lose. Put up, or shut up.


What are you talking about? Where do you live in that the victim has to prove themselves innocent of the crime committed against them?

Keep civil when replying to me like an adult should.

We'll take the bet under whatever circumstances you want, you're clearly putting more thought into this than I am.
2012-07-24 11:52:00 AM
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: "It has to be true, because sometimes people don't make sense, even though it's 3 people together and not one of them was thinking rationally" isn't a good defense.


This local kid, then aged 17, ran away from home with his loser buddy. At the loser buddy's urging, they planned to rob his girlfriend's mother (who he said had been against her seeing him, probably true, with justification) and then hop a train to Montreal. They brought a gun and balacavas.

He then murdered the mother in what was apparently a sudden and impulsive act.

The loser buddy immediately turned himself in and 'turned state' (or whatever the Canadian equivalent expression is.) He claimed to have been horrified at how it all spiraled out of control so fast. He (the buddy) had never intended for the mother to get hurt, let alone killed.

The kid either turned himself in or was caught a day or two later. They were both tried as adults for 2nd degree murder, and convicted. And the kid was declared a dangerous offender over a rage-based impulsive attack on his part while in prison a few years into his sentence.

I knew this kid when he'd been a member of my scout troop. While his rage issues were news to me, I can say that impulse control would never be one of his strong suits.

The point is: don't assume what they planned and what they did were at all related. It is very likely they, as individuals, made up most of the attack as they went along.
2012-07-24 11:50:58 AM
1 votes:
Lots of ways for this to break:

1) The three ski-masked arsonists/would be murders actually exist and will get caught. A definitive outcome.
2) The three ski-masked arsonists/would be murders actually exist and won't get caught. No definitive outcome.

3) The three ski-masked arsonists/would be murders don't exist, and the cops will get her to admit she made the whole thing up. A definitive outcome.

4) The three ski-masked arsonists/would be murders don't exist, but the cops won't get her to admit she made the whole thing up, and won't press charges, the whole thing just fades away. No definitive outcome.

5) The three ski-masked arsonists/would be murders exist/don't exist, but the cops can't get her to give a false/true admission. The cops think she is lying and convince a DA to prosecute without an admission. Trial outcome is somewhat definitive, but no matter the outcome, people can argue it was the wrong outcome.

Any wager has to take into account the likelihood of a non-definitive outcome...
2012-07-24 11:40:48 AM
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: You want to cover up a crime scene and you're thinking you'll leave the materials to do so to chance?


Why are we assuming they were covering up the crime scene instead of just causing damage for the hell of it?

You were refuting the "criminals don't think" with them bringing materials that they could've easily found in the house.
2012-07-24 11:32:16 AM
1 votes:
Something the white knight's don't get, or choose not to get:

I want this story to be true. I really hope she didn't make it up.
Homophobia and violence against homosexuals IS a big problem in this country.
If this turns out to be a big hoax, it just gives ammunition to the other side, the regressive/hateful elements of our society who actively dehumanize gay American out of bigotry and/or political expediency.

Maybe there really are 3 ski-masked, spray paint penmanship winning, 200$ damage inducing, gasoline hate arsonists on the loose, but I really, really doubt it...

Like I said, I want it to be true, but if I had to put money on true vs bullshiat, you better believe my chip would be on bullshiat. It just reads like the left-wing version of one those bullshiat right-wing stories about a 7 year old clay pigeon champion shooting two illegal immigrants in the balls and they try to invade the family's home.
2012-07-24 11:19:11 AM
1 votes:

professorkowalski: Criminals don't think.


They thought enough to bring zip ties and accelerant.

optimistic_cynic: Fire could have been an after thought.


Yeah, because everyone carries gas in their pocket.

xanadian: Because they WANTED her to DIAF, not just burn up after she was already dead.


Surely then they could carve deeper wounds that would be fatal in and of themselves. They'd be more painful and she would have lived the short amount of time it would have taken to die in the fire. And why not pour gas on the woman herself?

There's too many things wrong with this story.
2012-07-24 11:18:33 AM
1 votes:

xl5150: Bendal: The only "evidence" I've seen for your assertion is the claims of bigots who refuse to even imagine someone could have done this to someone else.

As I mentioned, I find the fact that someone accuses me of being "unable to fathom this happening" to be trivializing. I know of the evil that people can do. I have great uncles and great aunts who did not make it out of Auschwitz, and people profess to me that I'm skeptical simply because I can't fathom someone with hate in their heart doing an awful thing to someone who they have put into their evil sights? In this case, you guys are the ones who look foolish, because it becomes obvious how sheltered of a life you have all lead when this is the assumption you automatically make. I know of true suffering, as this is what my people have had to endure. I feel horrible for the girl in this story if what happened to her is accurate. I do have my suspicions and they are based in reality. Saying that I "can't fathom" something like this simply makes you look like a fool who has never been through anything trying in your life.


I'm not going to address the myriad ignorant statements you've made in this thread, but to say that you know true suffering because of something your great aunts and great uncles endured generations before you were born is pretty farking stupid. I'll concede that your great aunts and great uncles knew true suffering. But you, Mr. Beverly Hills? I seriously doubt it.

As for whether or not this was self-inflicted or perpetrated by some Christian nutbars, no one in this thread, yourself or myself included, has enough information to make such assertions. At least, not without looking like idiots. Should LE investigate at the possible scenarios? Certainly. Until more facts come to light, however, I'll withhold judgement.
2012-07-24 11:01:20 AM
1 votes:

xl5150: I know of true suffering, as this is what my people have had to endure.


You do not know of true suffering. Some of your family members were killed in the holocaust? Guess what, some of mine were, too; I'll add that multiple people posting/reading this thread are in that exact same boat. So what?! Oh, is it because "Your People"? Yeah, mine were just dirty Czechs... so we didn't really matter, right...?

I personally know of the true suffering that human beings can and will inflict on one another; bodily being on the receiving end of an actual, horrendously violent crime. Have you? No? Shut the fark up then.

Point is, no one knows about this particular case. The investigators are investigating. Leave it to them.
/and stop trying to Godwin this shiat.
2012-07-24 10:52:45 AM
1 votes:

Big Ramifications: FTA: The 33-year-old woman said she was attacked early Sunday by three masked men who barged into her house, bound her wrists and ankles with zip ties....

That kind of jumped out at me - it doesn't seem like the normal way of reporting such a crime. That's what she said happened. Article goes no further than that. Cops haven't confirmed it. They aren't saying anything actually.


Oh FFS. If not "said", what word should the journalist have used? Exactly what word would have been "normal" in your mind?
2012-07-24 10:49:52 AM
1 votes:

Alonjar: Id like to point out that if they left her tied up in her house with it on fire, that would imply they intended to kill her. If they were going to BBQ her, why carve the slurs?

Sounds fishy.


Haven't you ever seen Reservior Dogs?
2012-07-24 10:49:49 AM
1 votes:
Holy dickhead thread batman!
2012-07-24 10:44:33 AM
1 votes:

KimNorth: Didn't one of the ladies get arrested after police use some kind of light and found paint on her hands? Or was that a different case?


Both of them were arrested. Link
2012-07-24 10:37:19 AM
1 votes:

Alonjar: Id like to point out that if they left her tied up in her house with it on fire, that would imply they intended to kill her. If they were going to BBQ her, why carve the slurs?

Sounds fishy.


I raised the same question but to play Devil's Advocate...the crime was allegedly committed by three people. The person or persons who assaulted her and carved words into her skin might not be the same person who set the fire. The fire could have been an afterthought, after the torture they decide to go further and burn her alive. Or destroy evidence.

It should absolutely raise questions, but there's no information that's definitive one way or another at this point, at least not that's been released to the public yet.

Regardless, my sympathies are with this woman as whether it's true or not she is suffering. If hoax she needs help, if not those monsters need to be caught and removed from society.
2012-07-24 10:24:45 AM
1 votes:
So going from more sources than just this article:

1. The city recently passed anti-discrimination rules for housing, a victory for the LGBT community.
2. The woman was openly gay.
3. The woman was working with children.
4. The woman (according to her neighbor) appeared to have been tortured, meaning the perps would have had a good amount of time in the home.
5. There were reports from another neighbor of what sounded like fighting prior to her showing up naked on the doorstep of another neighbor.

Yeah, totally points to self-inflicted. Especially since nothing recently happened that would cause the anti-gay community to be angry.
2012-07-24 10:17:14 AM
1 votes:

Theaetetus: FilmBELOH20: I don't want to be one of "those guys" either, but if they tied her up with zip ties, how did she get out of them?

By "those guys", you mean an "illiterate person"? From the article:
The victim's friend said the woman crawled from her house, naked and bleeding and screaming for help, before reaching the doorstep of a neighbor's home.

It's probably safe to assume the neighbor cut them off.


OK, allow me to elaborate. When one is typically tied up, one's hands are usually bound behind one's back. As the article mentioned neither that her hands were bound behind her back or in front, or that her bindings were intact or she was already free from them, I assumed, based on the probability that (a) her hands were bound behind her and that (b) she crawled, that she had been free of the zip ties when she made it to the neighbor's house. (It's sort of hard to crawl if your hands are bound behind your back.) Had her hands been bound in front of her, I doubt that any human is going to allow an assailant to carve words in to her body. She'd be fighting and kicking and waving her arms like crazy, and that wouldn't allow for very good penmanship, now would it? I suppose it could be that they bound her hands in front and then held her down as one or the other did the carving, but it just seems so implausible that they would do that.
2012-07-24 10:16:20 AM
1 votes:

Theaetetus: Oblio13: I myself have personally used zip-ties with no help from anyone else.

Have you personally bound your wrists and ankles with said zip-ties? No? Then what's your point, other than to make sure everyone knows you're a giant douche?


It's not difficult to ziptie your wrist and ankles, even if your wrists are behind your back. It doesn't prove anything either way, but its very easy to do to yourself.
2012-07-24 10:09:58 AM
1 votes:

clyph: Because Jesus.

It makes sense to them. That's all that matters.


No, it really doesn't.
2012-07-24 10:02:57 AM
1 votes:
Ah, today's fark.com 'attack-Christianity' thread. Delightful, as always!

But you know... the attackers could have been Obama-voting 'teens'.
DGS [TotalFark]
2012-07-24 09:38:11 AM
1 votes:

xl5150: and I also correctly pointed out that we were all thinking this in the back of our minds.


No, we weren't all thinking it. Nice projecting you're doing there.
2012-07-24 09:31:36 AM
1 votes:

LiberalEastCoastElitist: AbbeySomeone: It's times like this when I realize that a West Coast perspective isn't the norm. Damn, that's too bad. I can't stand to spend time around these inbred, ignorant people that think behavior like this is OK. They terrify me and I'm a straight white woman.

They used to do this crap to fornicators and adulterers (still do in a few choice countries). They pick the most polarizing and/or vulnerable outlying group du jour and attempt to force them to conform, then move on to the next group. Nothing will ever be enough for them, even if we get to the point where conformation police roam the streets with rods whipping people wearing nail polish.


Pretty much came to laugh at this. I'm not even getting involved in the "is it self-inflicted?" debate. I'll leave that up to the professionals. As everyone should do instead of pontificating on the religious affiliation of the suspect, at least until a suspect is apprehended. If this was in a Muslim country, you'd all be screaming about how it was a fringe group and this isn't what real Islamicism is, so why do we immediately jump to blame Christianity? Because that's what we've been programmed to do? I'm an atheist, and even I can't stand the FarkLib Christian hate. It's as bad as what the "Christians"(tm) do to us, and it's counterproductive.

That being said, since no one here can practically contain their glee as they get to say "ignorant tee-bahggger" or "ignorant Christian reddnekk", I'll throw this out there: The most vitriolic homophobia comes "straight" from far-closeted homosexuals themselves. They know no religious, cultural, or socioeconomic bounds. All walks of life.

You might say that those closet cases seek out other groups of people who want to spew hate along with them, but since it's really only ever this one issue that causes any contention among the "Christians", and I'm using that term loosely here; none of the Christians (or teabaggers, for that matter) that I know would condone any type of behavior like this, and I actually know a fair number of them unlike the average suburban Fark Lib, I don't believe the religion to be the problem. I believe that they use one passage from a book (while usually committing every other sin in there on a daily basis) to cover for their pre-existing condition. A real Christian wouldn't do that. A "Christian"(tm) would.

Let's look at the root of the problem, not the facade they hide behind to give them an excuse to "prove" how straight they are. It's easy to blame religion, not so easy to blame society and human nature.
2012-07-24 09:31:13 AM
1 votes:

peterquince: Just going to weigh in and say that according to other articles, there were slurs carved into her skin. If that's accurate, we're not talking about someone who sliced herself a few times. This would take vastly more self-control or psychosis to pull off. The process would have to be:

1 - Spray paint the basement.
2 - Strip naked.
3 - Carve words all over her own body.
4 - Dump gasoline around the house (we don't know exactly where, but if the spray paint is in the basement, basement fire seems more obvious than anywhere else).
5 - Light the gasoline.
6 - Zip-tie hands and feet (INSIDE A BURNING BUILDING).
7 - Crawl out of the house screaming for help.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but I will say I find that much less likely than someone doing this against her will.

As to the $200 in damage: If I'm right and the fire was in the basement, and based on the pictures it appears to be an unfinished basement, it's not unreasonable that only $200 in damage would have been done. Lots of cement and such down there. Keep in mind, too, that the fire was still burning when emergency crews arrived.

I truly hope this woman gets the help and support she needs in either event.

And I'll just add this little statement here:

Everyone. Stop doing terrible things to one another. It's not helping anything. And calls for someone to shoot someone are only escalating things. Just. Spread the love, guys.



Just to weigh in here, what if the zip ties go on right after the "leave the burning building" part? I'm pretty sure that would be a lot easier. Haven't seen any evidence that anyone saw her leave the building, the article says they found her at the street.

I'm not buying this "three guys with women's handwriting and who can't light a fire properly get together to violate lots of laws for no profit and the target lives" bullshiat. Three guys that motivated by hate will kill her just to not be three friends in prison. To do that, you put the gasoline on the victim, not in a tidy pool on the floor. Seriously, $200 in damages? I couldn't light a pint of gasoline anywhere in the house without causing $3,000 in damages.

I say she's lying, and if she's not, I'm a jerk. But I'm not saying this because she's a lesbian, I'm saying this because numerous cases in the past say this case stinks to high heaven.
2012-07-24 09:30:34 AM
1 votes:

namegoeshere: Is there any reason besides religion to oppose same sex relationships?


The very first sentence of the very Boobies about a hate crime just had to be to instigate hate towards theists even though there is zero evidence pointing towards them? Dude, what's wrong with you? I don't think this is the time to bring up the born again atheist routine.

Nobody should be be attacked like the girl in this story, however I strongly suspect that she was probably attacked not just at random, but by someone she knew, and probably as a result of some interaction they had.
2012-07-24 09:23:12 AM
1 votes:

xl5150: untaken_name: cptjeff: I sincerely hope the person who did this is sodomized with a branding iron.

"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind."

Not to mention the evidence is piling up that this was all self-inflicted.


Perhaps if you say it often and loudly enough, it will even become true.
2012-07-24 09:19:05 AM
1 votes:

dfenstrate: Subby's incident is bullsh*t, just like the vast majority of 'hate crimes' reported.


You've got numbers to back that up, or just a bigoted website you chose to create your narrative?
2012-07-24 09:14:25 AM
1 votes:

EmmaLou: ginandbacon: Can we help in any way? Is there somewhere we can send donations to help her with hospital bills or to set up new housing?

http://starcitypride.org/victim-recovery-fund/

Subby here. posting from my phone so I can't format link. this is the site for helping. she has no insurance. this girl is such a sweetheart with the best heart. she just wants to live her life and rescue dogs. this should never happen to anyone!


Now my BS detector just clicked up a notch. Still waiting to hear exactly who/what/when on the 911 call.
2012-07-24 09:05:47 AM
1 votes:

xl5150: Not to mention the evidence is piling up that this was all self-inflicted.


Making shiat up is not evidence. Blaming the victim is not cool.
2012-07-24 09:03:08 AM
1 votes:

Cybernetic: gulogulo: I hate to pull this "but my friends are [insert minority]" as a way to lend credence to my words, but it's true: my best friend is a gay man. I love him dearly and his partner, and I've seen the products of fear and hate being delivered to them. That said, while I'm not saying for sure, I am skeptical too. And honestly, I can't say which would be worse at this point: that it happened, an act of hate and terror makes me feel physically ill. Or that someone would possibly do something like this to deceive, and while it is someone acting alone, will be used by those who hate as justification for their hate and distrust, casting shadows of doubt over any hatecrime to follow. The repercussions of the latter could be far reaching.

I'm reserving my judgement one way or the other. I won't leap on any band wagon, either to rush to send money or to condemn her. I hope she gets the help she needs, regardless.

It's a sad fact that the instances of fake hate crimes--up to and including the recent case at Central Connecticut State University--have made a lot of people skeptical. I wish submitter's friend a speedy and complete recovery from her injuries; apart from that I'll wait to see what the investigation uncovers.


Thanks for writing exactly how I feel - I read the article and something felt off to me, but that doesn't mean the person isn't suffering no matter what happened.
2012-07-24 09:01:29 AM
1 votes:

Lutrasimilis: Some stuff to consider:
Plus, lighting gas in your own house just for attention? Really? If you've already sliced yourself up and then zip-tied yourself, why would you bother?


Fire is also used by people to destroy evidence. As you pointed out, there would likely be some evidence if three people were in the house, etc. If it's a hoax, fire might have been to destroy the evidence [or lack thereof]. It's also possible of course it was set by three people to destroy any evidence of the crimes they committed and/or to finish off their victim.

As I said previously the article made me immediately skeptical. Words carved in the skin ... that was the first thing that made me skeptical because of other similar hoaxes (as others have amply pointed out). Zip ties are an extremely easy way to tie yourself up. You can pull the zip tie shut with your teeth if need be, it's very easy. The sprays on the wall look very even, very carefully done. It doesn't appear (to my decidedly INEXPERT eye of course) to be a scrawl of one or more madmen who are carving up and torching a woman because of sheer mindless hatred.

I could be totally wrong. And I think it's wrong to call people who are potentially victims liars. I don't think it's wrong to be skeptical and wait for more information. And we've all probably watched far too many crime shows. ;)
2012-07-24 09:00:20 AM
1 votes:
2012-07-24 08:56:43 AM
1 votes:

texanjeff: Ambivalence: TheDumbBlonde: No Christian was involved in this heinous crime.

That's not really for you to say. I understand not wanting to be associated with this kind of filth, but if they say they're christian, then they are christian. They may be really bad at BEING Christian, but it's not like there's an authoritity with the power to kick out bad examples from the entire suite of Christian religions.

Ummmm... I am pretty sure Jesus never said "Hey run around and cut people who aren't like you"...


have you even met lol jesus?
edge.ebaumsworld.com
2012-07-24 08:55:20 AM
1 votes:

Bhruic: The first step is admitting you have a problem.


Yes. I don't get your siege mentality. This might a huge problem to me later on down the line if I ever have to play proxy victim for my chosen form of belief.

I'd better fix that. I should get right on it. Like, now.

Bhruic: if the completely unabiguous statement "people should stop speculating without evidence" isn't understandable by you


Ah! But there's tons of other possibilities here as to why I don't find your statement particularly compelling here, my little font of All Things Logical. And the fact that you choose to ignore them doesn't make them any less damning.

Hatred of gays has it's root (it's excuse, as some have preferred to call it) in Christian (and likely more specifically, Old Testament) dogma. Other people have pointed to other cultures of the world, and there are some, true enough, that still have issues with gays. Many of those have a history of heavy Christian or otherwise Abrahamic influence as well.

There are a lot of other cultures- cultures less steeped in the "big three" of Western faith- which simply don't share this viewpoint. They were never brought up with it. It was never even implied. For them, hating people because of their sexual orientation is a foreign and silly idea. It is, at best, a 'meh' issue.

Now, returning to the "this is a predominantly Christian nation" argument you so often hear from that same side of the fence- the one that claims that anyone who has ever had a parent that used the expletive "goddammit" as Christian- I again challenge you to suggest a compelling alternative motivation.

For a person who claims I've failed, you still have yet to rise to this very simple challenge.

Do I think you can? Probably not. Would I be deeply interested if you actually could? Yes, actually, I would. I enjoy learning things. So far you've had little to teach. I'm actually interested to see this change. Where else might this woman's (alleged) attackers have gotten the idea that Gays are to be hated and abused by society at large?
2012-07-24 08:52:30 AM
1 votes:
Money is the reason she might have done it. Think about all those who have faked cancer? You sheep already started a "victims" fund.
2012-07-24 08:52:21 AM
1 votes:

Red Shirt Blues: I hate to be that guy but.......this could be self inflicted. Kind of like that woman who threw acid in her own face. I was looking at pics of the messages left on her walls. Pretty good printing for spray paint. I mean if you're an attacker all stoked up smashing doors in committing violence and arson.......
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In one way I hope I am wrong, that nobody could contrive this, OTOH I hope I am right that nobody would be sick enough to storm somebody's house and mutilate her because she's gay.


The graffiti is a woman's handwriting.Men's handwriting tends to be much more angular than rounded. Also, it wasn't hastily done: the letters and words are formed in a way that indicates time was taken to form the words carefully.....I have to agree here that this is almost definitely NOT the graffiti of 3 random thugs in a "slash-and-burn" attack.

Also, the carving of "anti-gay slurs" into the skin sounds more like the faking of previous self-injurious attacks than something which has actually previously occurred.

The minimal damage of the fire in a pool of gasoline rather than being splashed about as arsonists do to maximize damage is also extremely suspicious as well.

Sorry. But I'm calling BS on this. There isn't one thing here that rings even remotely true.
2012-07-24 08:48:52 AM
1 votes:
Ok, so I am a christian. I believe being gay is a sin. I also believe saying god's name in vain is a sin. All sins are forgivable save 1 (the bible actually says this). The gay person has sinned. God Damn it. Now I have too. We can both seek forgiveness and party in heaven together. No where that I know of does the bible condone shiat like this. Christ people (i sinned again), the primary message of the new testament is love and forgiveness.

Tell friend that I said a prayer for her. If she is not religious, she can take that as thinking positive thoughts about her.
2012-07-24 08:45:30 AM
1 votes:

orbister: People who use this without evidence as an example of gay mendacity will, if it proves to be true, have been maintaining an unnecessary climate of belittlement for gay people


What's interesting is that I don't see anyone, even those whoer are very strongly skeptical, saying that it's gay mendacity that caused it. It's focused on the individual, though people are saying that an individual act like this could really set back the LGBT movement. I think that's the real fear from people who are gay-rights activists.
2012-07-24 08:41:05 AM
1 votes:
I don't care about the religion/gun subthread that's going on in here, WHOEVER did something like this is a sick, sick person who is severely farked up in the head.

/Yes, even if it turns out to be self-inflicted.
2012-07-24 08:27:40 AM
1 votes:
It's not just that some of you are claiming skepticism. It's that some of you are so desperately, heavily invested in your skepticism that worries me. Some of you seem to have skepticism-lite, which is one thing, but there are a couple of you - and you know who you are - who, based on the same reports the rest of us got, are absolutely convinced. Assuming this is a real thing that happened, what happens to that skepticism when the assailants are caught? Are you going to eat crow, or will you keep going into full-blown denialism?

I take a look at what I lose if I'm wrong. Shrug my shoulders, dismiss the fake victim as a lunatic, and get on with life. It wouldn't affect how I feel one way or another about what she was trying to say or do. If this is some kind of crazy statement on gay rights, I don't see it really changing how I feel.

What do you lose if you're wrong? This vast investment that you've made into not just your position and reputation, but your attitude towards human nature. It would have a huge effect on the way you view this case. Would you be willing, all of you, to come humbly back to this thread, or to some future thread, and admit that you were wrong, or would you quietly hope no one noticed that you shoveled fifty posts into a thread calling bullshiat about something about which you literally could not possibly have any in-depth knowledge?

The police may already know whether or not this is self-inflicted. They're not telling YOU. There are people in here desperately struggling to second-guess crazy. There are people who insist that they're certain that this is some kind of scam, because sometimes it is. I need to know what's wrong with giving this story the benefit of the doubt until more information rolls in. I need to know what horrible mistake I'm making by accepting a media report that says that this happened. I don't really see that as being a "sheep."

I mean, one way or another, this story doesn't have any effect on me. Having read it, I have no new responsibilities or concerns. I'm taking no action, demanding no justice. It is, at worst, a distant cautionary tale set 1500 miles away. My benefit of the doubt, therefore, costs nothing. There's nothing I can contribute and nothing I can do but say, "If it's true, I clench my fists in impotent rage." And that's all.
2012-07-24 08:27:21 AM
1 votes:
Either way, what happened is farked up and I feel awful for your friend and hope she can get some help and support to get through this.
2012-07-24 08:26:41 AM
1 votes:

Cybernetic: It's a sad fact that the instances of fake hate crimes--up to and including the recent case at Central Connecticut State University--have made a lot of people skeptical. I wish submitter's friend a speedy and complete recovery from her injuries; apart from that I'll wait to see what the investigation uncovers.


I think that's the rub of it. Wait and see before any kind of conclusion is drawn. What I do know is that she's under some kind of distress and I hope she's getting support and care, and I do feel badly for her.
2012-07-24 08:26:15 AM
1 votes:
That's odd, Roving Gang of Homophobic Psychos is the name of my ABBA cover band
2012-07-24 08:25:10 AM
1 votes:
Wouldn't it be, I dunno, preferred that she did this to herself?

Instead of a roving gang of homophobic psychos you'd just have one mentally unstable person.
2012-07-24 08:23:10 AM
1 votes:

Bhruic: Ok, you really don't get logic, do you?


Yours will forever be a mystery to me. I admit it.

I think I have a handle on it though. Lemme try: You're embarrassed that people who share a similar set of ideals as you often use those ideals as an excuse to commit horrific crimes against other members of your species.

Instead of taking a lesson from this about how ideals may be twisted to suit darker designs, or how sometimes what a lot of people might claim is ideal truly isn't, you want to choose to make this about how everyone always blames Christians. Poor Christians.

That about right?


Yanno, it's kinda funny to me that when the separation of church and state subject comes up, your ilk are practically clamoring at the press, shouting about how the US is a "predominantly Christian nation" and thusly this gives you the right to sway the government- because the minority's ideas aren't worthy of being respected by the state.

To you, so many people are raised in "Christian households", and in often the most peripherally Christian ways are yours to own.

When it comes time for you to try and "process" the behavior of your own claimed "vast" flock, however, well, that's quite a different story. Then everyone who isn't a Christian must be the responsible party here.

Stunning logic. I think I heard some Vulcans crying.
2012-07-24 08:20:53 AM
1 votes:

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: So.... her home was invaded by violent, homophobic males willing to strip her naked and physically assault her over her lifestyle, yet the worst that happened to her is they scratched some insults into her, and burned her carpet?

She wasn't raped? I mean, it would be even more horrible if she was, but really? That's extremely surprising. Did TFA just leave that part out? Usually in cases like this people get violently sodomized with foreign objects and get pretty badly injured, kicked with steel-toed boots and so on.

Apparently she was attacked by a violent mob of rednecks who are probably dumb enough to believe a good rapin' would turn her straight, but they were nice enough to leave her with only some superficial cuts.

I realize pointing this out is going to make me look like a major league asshole, but something about the story doesn't sit right. I'm skeptical.


Hate to say it, since it also makes ME look like an asshole, but I'm sceptical too...and I'm a pro-gay marriage, godless liberal elitist.

Perhaps they got interrupted by something?
2012-07-24 08:20:28 AM
1 votes:

gulogulo: I hate to pull this "but my friends are [insert minority]" as a way to lend credence to my words, but it's true: my best friend is a gay man. I love him dearly and his partner, and I've seen the products of fear and hate being delivered to them. That said, while I'm not saying for sure, I am skeptical too. And honestly, I can't say which would be worse at this point: that it happened, an act of hate and terror makes me feel physically ill. Or that someone would possibly do something like this to deceive, and while it is someone acting alone, will be used by those who hate as justification for their hate and distrust, casting shadows of doubt over any hatecrime to follow. The repercussions of the latter could be far reaching.

I'm reserving my judgement one way or the other. I won't leap on any band wagon, either to rush to send money or to condemn her. I hope she gets the help she needs, regardless.


It's a sad fact that the instances of fake hate crimes--up to and including the recent case at Central Connecticut State University--have made a lot of people skeptical. I wish submitter's friend a speedy and complete recovery from her injuries; apart from that I'll wait to see what the investigation uncovers.
2012-07-24 08:19:06 AM
1 votes:
i18.photobucket.com
2012-07-24 08:13:35 AM
1 votes:

xl5150: I know everyone is thinking it, so I'll be the first to come out and say it.

Most of the time when something like this happens, the "victim" has done it to themself either for attention or to try to get sympathy for their cause. Think back to the Jewish professor who got caught spraypainting swastikas on her house and then reporting it as a hate crime as an example.

Has that been looked into here?


That is called the narrative fallacy. You don't know and have no evidence that this person did it to themselves but you've heard a story (hence narrative) through various sources about things like this happening therefore it's always the case.

It's fun to make up stories about victims.
2012-07-24 08:08:36 AM
1 votes:

xl5150: MagSeven: What's the evidence? Where is it? All I'm seeing is theories in this thread.

Theories are always shaky and wrong. Just look at the theory of evolution.


Jesus farking Christ. You want to see the slurs carved into her flesh? Would that evidence make you happy? You could analyze the direction and angle of the lettering? How about instead trusting that a Farker posting a link about their friend knows enough to know that their friend isn't AW'ing?

I think the real question here is why you are covering for the criminals's crimes in the courts of public opinion, xl5150. Are you a potential person of interest in this case?
2012-07-24 08:04:21 AM
1 votes:

bulldg4life: Where is this "the evidence I have now" coming from? Three or four people have said that and it is still the same evidence from the article.


"Look how many us are saying..." changes to

"Some have speculated..." changes to

"People are now speculating..." changes to

"Several people agree this is..." changes to

"Experts are now saying this is..." changes to

"See! Experts are evidence!"

Tis the glorious cycle of sensationalist insanity where breaking stories are worth more than proper stories and nuance is drowned by froth.
2012-07-24 08:04:12 AM
1 votes:
So.... her home was invaded by violent, homophobic males willing to strip her naked and physically assault her over her lifestyle, yet the worst that happened to her is they scratched some insults into her, and burned her carpet?

She wasn't raped? I mean, it would be even more horrible if she was, but really? That's extremely surprising. Did TFA just leave that part out? Usually in cases like this people get violently sodomized with foreign objects and get pretty badly injured, kicked with steel-toed boots and so on.

Apparently she was attacked by a violent mob of rednecks who are probably dumb enough to believe a good rapin' would turn her straight, but they were nice enough to leave her with only some superficial cuts.

I realize pointing this out is going to make me look like a major league asshole, but something about the story doesn't sit right. I'm skeptical.
2012-07-24 08:03:19 AM
1 votes:

serial_crusher: Director_Mr: SkunkWerks: Bhruic: Blaming it on Christians is extremely premature.

Alright, I'll play. Name me an ideology or belief system in this country that doesn't have it's roots in Christian Dogma and also has a burning hatred for gays that has credibly resulted in violence against them.

Go on. I'll wait.

How about hip-hop culture?
link

How about gangs?
Link

How about muslims?
Link

I could go on and on.

Hip hop culture is the result of a long line of black music that started with negro spirituals like swing low sweet chariot.
Gangs are the same thing, unless you meant Hispanic gangs, but they're all catholic.
And um, Muslims believe that muhammad was the last of gods prophets, with Jesus being the one that preceded him.

I'm not arguing hat Christianity is actually responsible for all that hating though, just that you can tie pretty much anything back to it if you try. It's like the Kevin Bacon of ideologies.


And atheism is a reaction against Christianity, so its true! We can blame Christianity for anything we want to. Cool.
2012-07-24 07:53:06 AM
1 votes:
I'm bisexual and had similar doubts to others about this story. I'm certainly no expert (and don't pretend to be *grin*) but what initially caused my skepticism was the report of words cut into her skin. That caused me to look more closely at other factors and question them as well.

I only mention that I'm bisexual because of the whole other argument that's been going around. I'm a woman, my last lover was female. I kissed her in the streets a couple of weeks ago. *grin* I'm closeted to my family because most of them would disown me. And though they're bigots, I like having a family. :(

So yeah...I get hate. I really do. And certainly there's people in the world capable of evil acts far worse than this. And there are also sick people who do things for attention, whether to themselves or a cause. I'm not saying that's the case. I'm simply questioning whether or not it is.
2012-07-24 07:49:20 AM
1 votes:

MagSeven: liam76: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Seriously, the number of people that jumped to the "she did it herself" conclusion is almost as sickening as the crime

So thinking, with the evidence we have now I am going to guess she did it herself is almost as sickening as actually going to her house, tying her up, spray painting her house, cutting slurs into her body and tossing gas around her house in an attempt to burn it down?

What's the evidence? Where is it? All I'm seeing is theories in this thread.


The vidence we have are the statements from police and the neighbor about what she said, her injuries and the pictures of the spary paint. From that I am guessing she did it.

If I was going to burn down somebody's house after I tied them up, I would probably plan on killing them inthe fire, so I wouldn;t be carving slurs into them. I also wouldn't bother spray painting the house.

I am not saying I know this for a fact, I am not saying don't look for anybody, I am not saying I have the whole picture, but as I said before with what I know that is my guess.
2012-07-24 07:48:16 AM
1 votes:

liam76: So thinking, with the evidence we have now I am going to guess she did it herself is almost as sickening as actually going to her house, tying her up, spray painting her house, cutting slurs into her body and tossing gas around her house in an attempt to burn it down?


Yes, because you don't have any actual evidence. Hey, maybe it's a hoax. But until we know a lot more, when you create a climate where people who are assaulted are immediately being accused of being attention whores that set it all up to get some media coverage, in public forums, you're victimizing them again.

This is the sort of bullshiat that keeps people who are assaulted from coming forward in the first place. I've known people that have been raped who have been reluctant to come forward for this very reason - people like you who call them liars because, well, I don't even know why.

Again, I'm not making any statements about the truth value of her claim. But, we know that not all reports of assaults are true, and not all are false, so maybe you can just reserve judgment until some more facts are in.
2012-07-24 07:46:40 AM
1 votes:
Probably the doings of an ex-girlfriend.
2012-07-24 07:42:39 AM
1 votes:
Well this thread is severely f*cked up
2012-07-24 07:42:32 AM
1 votes:
It's Pride week here. This is a terrible reminder of the evil that people can do. Comfort and love to your friend Subby
2012-07-24 07:41:24 AM
1 votes:

liam76: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Seriously, the number of people that jumped to the "she did it herself" conclusion is almost as sickening as the crime

So thinking, with the evidence we have now I am going to guess she did it herself is almost as sickening as actually going to her house, tying her up, spray painting her house, cutting slurs into her body and tossing gas around her house in an attempt to burn it down?


What's the evidence? Where is it? All I'm seeing is theories in this thread.
2012-07-24 07:38:43 AM
1 votes:

SkunkWerks: Bhruic: Blaming it on Christians is extremely premature.

Alright, I'll play. Name me an ideology or belief system in this country that doesn't have it's roots in Christian Dogma and also has a burning hatred for gays that has credibly resulted in violence against them.

Go on. I'll wait.


How about hip-hop culture?
link

How about gangs?
Link

How about muslims?
Link

I could go on and on.
2012-07-24 07:35:37 AM
1 votes:

tarnok: Raharu:
Whatever helps you sleep at night bro, whatever helps you think your not reading a hate filled blood soaked book of misogyny, slavery and homophobia. Keep on picking dem cherries!

Continued wrong. Read the whole book before you accuse people of cherry picking.

Stop being wrong.


I have, twice, and listened to the full audio book. Its a horrible book to base any kind of life on. Its a study in contradictions, the authors and yes thats in plural, cant get their stories consistent in even little details let alone large important ones.

BIBLE GAME SHOW VIDEO IS GO! See how many points you score!
Link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk
2012-07-24 07:31:34 AM
1 votes:
What happened to subby's friend is terrible.

This thread is much worse.

Also funny though -- this thread, not what happened to subby's friend.

Dadoody: [i73.photobucket.com image 767x431]


Clearly fake. A real Farker would be spending that cash on hookers and blow.
2012-07-24 07:24:09 AM
1 votes:

stlbluez: OBVIOUSLY these folks were Christian.. and representative of all Christians.


Because these two things are mutually inclusive, every time, all the time. You can't be a Christian, feel you are following Christian ideals, commit heinous acts like this, and not be representative of all Christians, at all times.

Make up your minds about whether you'd like to reject or embrace people like this, please.
2012-07-24 07:23:31 AM
1 votes:
Homophobes, you are the problem. F*** you.
2012-07-24 07:22:59 AM
1 votes:

Uh Oh Chongo Danger Island!: Give and give often:

Victim's fund $


Thank you for posting this.

Link here again so people don't have to scroll up.
2012-07-24 07:21:35 AM
1 votes:

Lsherm: draa: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Seriously, the number of people that jumped to the "she did it herself" conclusion is almost as sickening as the crime

THIS.

Well, then, you'll both feel pretty stupid if it turns out to be a hoax.

As I said before, if people didn't construct these fake victim routines in the past, then it wouldn't occur to anyone to doubt the story. But the story has been faked too many times in the past.

So calm down, wait for some more facts to come out, and then you can go on your way. These threads always play out the same way - before any details come out people take sides, then get royally pissed and refuse to acknowledge when they are wrong. If more details come out in support of her story, then it's a terrible crime, and humanity loses. If nothing else comes out and the issue is dropped, then she may have faked it, and humanity loses.

Either way, you don't win anything. Neither does anyone else here.

/I win if it's a hoax.


These girls must have constructed the victim routine very, very well
http://news1.capitalbay.com/headlines/254660-teen-lesbian-couple-foun d -murdered-in-texas-park.html

I agree most times people jump to conclusions, but understand the absolute hatred the bible belt has for homosexuals. Yes I am lumping them all together, but that is because they are the voting majority. It is more than believable at face value.
2012-07-24 07:19:15 AM
1 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF is wrong is, they hate gay people. Usually because of religion - either religious training in their youth, or their religion as adults.

Gays know - people hate us. Just because people pretend to "be okay" with us being gay, or don't openly act like this, it's clear - a helluvalotta people, deep down, hate us and wish they had the balls to be like the WBC folks or these turds.

Sad, but true.

Whats sad but true is the level of paranoia and self-loathing it takes to drive one to make the statement above. DEEP down.. we all wish we could beat and mudilate you or protest funerals in your name ?
JEEZ... get a life. I'm actually betting you're either still closeted to your parents... or they disowned you or something. I can't imagine any other reason you think the world harbors some deep hatred to you and wishes this kind of harm toward you.
2012-07-24 07:19:01 AM
1 votes:

Dadoody: Is Farkette's friend in the USA?

If so, she needs to be introduced to a therapist AND security consultant friend of mine. His name is Mr. Mossberg. Set up an appointed at earliest convenience.

[www.mossberg.com image 850x189]


You know what accessory I love most for that?

3.bp.blogspot.com

/It's like a gun that wakes up and shoots itself while your still fumbling in the dark looking for the light switch. Also fun to cuddle and play fetch with.
2012-07-24 07:17:11 AM
1 votes:

draa: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Seriously, the number of people that jumped to the "she did it herself" conclusion is almost as sickening as the crime

THIS.


Well, then, you'll both feel pretty stupid if it turns out to be a hoax.

As I said before, if people didn't construct these fake victim routines in the past, then it wouldn't occur to anyone to doubt the story. But the story has been faked too many times in the past.

So calm down, wait for some more facts to come out, and then you can go on your way. These threads always play out the same way - before any details come out people take sides, then get royally pissed and refuse to acknowledge when they are wrong. If more details come out in support of her story, then it's a terrible crime, and humanity loses. If nothing else comes out and the issue is dropped, then she may have faked it, and humanity loses.

Either way, you don't win anything. Neither does anyone else here.

/I win if it's a hoax.
2012-07-24 07:14:39 AM
1 votes:

xl5150: As I mentioned, I find the fact that someone accuses me of being "unable to fathom this happening" to be trivializing.


Still trying to make this all about you? You're a fukwit.
2012-07-24 07:06:49 AM
1 votes:
There is more to this story than is being reported.
2012-07-24 07:04:15 AM
1 votes:

SkunkWerks: Bhruic: Blaming it on Christians is extremely premature.

Alright, I'll play. Name me an ideology or belief system in this country that doesn't have it's roots in Christian Dogma and also has a burning hatred for gays that has credibly resulted in violence against them.

Go on. I'll wait.


Rap. You're welcome.
2012-07-24 07:02:27 AM
1 votes:

Give and give often:

Victim's fund $
2012-07-24 07:00:47 AM
1 votes:

way south: Its more about plain old fashion hate than it is religion.


Well, Religion is the excuse, I'll admit. Mostly we just like having someone to hate and a reason to exclude and abuse other members of our own species. Maybe having a "them" is necessary for weaker-willed folks to define themselves against. If there was another convenient excuse, we'd use that, s'true.

Still, it's an excuse religion has been all-too-happy to provide, and not just historically. They're pleased as punch to keep on repeating that message well into the 21st century. Yanno, in case not-hurting your fellow human beings ever starts to seem like a good idea... at least for this reason.
2012-07-24 07:00:08 AM
1 votes:

Dwindle:
If people had guns there wouldn't be people storming into their house.
It simply never happens where I live. We all have guns.


We didn't have it where I lived either, and no one had guns.

The point is, all the people and their "this wouldn't have happened if she had a gun" are no better than the idiotic former Arizona senator saying that the Aurora shootings would have been prevented if audience members had guns. It's stupid, it's impossible to prove, and it does nothing to help the situation. Tragedies like this are not the proper place to forward a pro-gun agenda.
2012-07-24 06:55:12 AM
1 votes:

namegoeshere: Is there any reason besides religion to oppose same sex relationships?


Its more about plain old fashion hate than it is religion.
Some preachers interpret a few sentences in their holy book to mean Homosexuality is wrong (the same way they interpret that the earth is 6000 years old or that the world will end on X date (when the same book says specifically that you will never know that date)) so they can justify a previously existing bias. Probably descending from a long standing dislike for Roman era shenanigans or the woes of jilted lovers.
The Bible is mostly just a history book. The Christian Religion itself is meant to be about helping those in need and building community.
Unfortunately there is always someone who will use any podium to spread their personal vitriol.

If you want Gods opinion:
City Fire Inspector Damon Robbins said a match ignited vapors from a pool of gasoline on the woman's floor, but the flash fire did not continue to burn and caused no noticeable damage to the house.

There it is.
I think this is Gods way of telling us these assholes need to be rounded up and stoned to death.

I think God is also suggesting we should help these folks train more people in self defense:
dl.dropbox.com
2012-07-24 06:53:13 AM
1 votes:

mister aj: SkunkWerks: mister aj: Fundamentalist muslims

Abrahamic Faith

Yes, not Christian dogma, Abrahamic dogma.


Fair enough.

Still, you've still got a serious lack of Hasidic Jews lynching gay folks to make up for here. And something tells me Muslims have enough to worry about what with all this terrorism stuff we're scrutinizing them for to bother pressing any issues they might have with gays.

But fair enough.
2012-07-24 06:49:58 AM
1 votes:
www.washingtonpost.com
unavailable for questioning
2012-07-24 06:48:13 AM
1 votes:

SkunkWerks: xl15150 is manipulating you right now, as a for-instance.


Hardly. Trying to get people to actually stop and think about something instead of taking it at face value by default is really more of the opposite of trying to manipulate them.
2012-07-24 06:40:06 AM
1 votes:
All you people who are outraged and publicly proclaiming the awful things you'd like to do to the (most likely imaginary) perpetrators here should keep this in mind as an example of how you can all be manipulated and how easy it is for certain people to do it.
2012-07-24 06:37:13 AM
1 votes:

SkunkWerks: xl5150: I know everyone is thinking it

No. And if they are, it's only because twits like yourself keep bringing it up.


Actually, that was I first reaction when I read the article. And I hadn't even looked in the thread. I'm sorry, but this just smells fishy.
2012-07-24 06:37:04 AM
1 votes:
*sigh*

I really wish the "usual suspects" wouldn't rush into cases like this. We don't know who did it, and what religion - if any - they were. Blaming it on Christians is extremely premature. As for the "she should have had a gun" people - unless you walk around the house with it in your hand at all times, if 3 people barge into your house, there's a good chance they can grab you before you could even get the gun, let alone use it.

Ugh, tragedies like this are bad enough without people piling on. And that's ignoring the obvious idiot.
2012-07-24 06:30:03 AM
1 votes:

liam76: calbert: digistil: Red Shirt Blues: I hate to be that guy but.......this could be self inflicted. Kind of like that woman who threw acid in her own face. I was looking at pics of the messages left on her walls. Pretty good printing for spray paint. I mean if you're an attacker all stoked up smashing doors in committing violence and arson.......
[towleroad.typepad.com image 300x167]
[towleroad.typepad.com image 300x168]

In one way I hope I am wrong, that nobody could contrive this, OTOH I hope I am right that nobody would be sick enough to storm somebody's house and mutilate her because she's gay.

Very good point. Can you link to the source of the pics? I don't see them on the news story page.

do a GIS for 'Lincoln hate crime' and there they are.

If I was going to carve someone up and burn their house down, I don't think I woudl bother witht he spray paint.

I can't help thinking you are right.




Ok lets say for one second you are right - its self inflicted.

The news coverage that this is getting is enough to incite some small-minded dipshait somewhere that it is OK to do this, and guess what?

No matter what, someone, somewhere will get hurt because of this. We have far too many morons here in the US. It only takes one to get the idea that this is somehow justified and you get violence as a result.

We are rapidly swirling down the shiatter, IMO.
2012-07-24 06:28:48 AM
1 votes:

xl5150: I know everyone is thinking it


No. And if they are, it's only because twits like yourself keep bringing it up.

xl5150: Most of the time when something like this happens, the "victim" has done it to themself either for attention or to try to get sympathy for their cause.


imgs.xkcd.com

Also: no.

xl5150: Think back to the Jewish professor who got caught spraypainting swastikas on her house and then reporting it as a hate crime as an example.


Surely this single example proves just how overwhelmingly common this sort of behavior is. Despite the elaborate planning, willingness to inflict pain on oneself (either emotional or physical), and overall crappy risk to reward ratio in the end, ala...

xl5150: Seeing how it's becoming more and more believable that she did it to herself, I think this is going to be a victory for gay-haters because of the undermining it will do to the gay agenda when the (probable) truth comes out that it is in fact self-inflicted.


...surely this one convoluted, conspiratorial and counterintuitive example you've provided explains away the vast majority of these sorts of incidents.

xl5150: And the fact that so many people (or should I say "sheeple") simply accept everything at face value and fail to ever employ any critical thinking skills whatsoever in their lives is even more sickening than this alleged crime.


I mean, rejecting the far simpler explanation that there's a lot of people out there who don't need much of an excuse to hurt others and adopting a far more protracted and nonsensical one that is ultimately unrewarding to the alleged "faker" just seems like the natural and responsible thing to do as a critical thinker.

Or a troll.
2012-07-24 06:28:40 AM
1 votes:
She's lucky to be alive and released from the hospital.

Culprits committed B & E, assault, kidnapping, arson, attempted murder, and a hate crime. Career criminals would have ended her rather than have a potential witness be able to I.D. them.
2012-07-24 06:28:15 AM
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The All-Powerful Atheismo: IlGreven: Ambivalence: TheDumbBlonde: No Christian was involved in this heinous crime.

That's not really for you to say.

Sure it is. They may call themselves Christian, but no tenet of any Christian sect I've ever seen advocates shiat like this.

If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. (NKJ, Leviticus 20:13)


But since we already know both through his insistence on forgiveness and an incident where he had a chance to participate in one of those "this person has to die" stonings, we can say with a great deal of confidence that Jesus doesn't want his followers to go around killing people.

Yeah they aren't really Scottish.

This really can't be dismissed as a "no true Scottsman" fallacy. Jesus said that the world would know his disciples by their love for one another. If a person fails to display _the_ identifying characteristic of a group as defined by that group's founder and _God_, then they really don't belong to that group.
2012-07-24 06:27:58 AM
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Red Shirt Blues: I hate to be that guy but.......this could be self inflicted. Kind of like that woman who threw acid in her own face. I was looking at pics of the messages left on her walls. Pretty good printing for spray paint. I mean if you're an attacker all stoked up smashing doors in committing violence and arson.......

In one way I hope I am wrong, that nobody could contrive this, OTOH I hope I am right that nobody would be sick enough to storm somebody's house and mutilate her because she's gay.


The police were trying to suppress information so they could credibly interrogate suspects. Where did you find those pictures? Are you sure that you should have propagated them?

As for your handwriting analysis, I find it easy to believe the writing was "pretty good" if it was written:
-By someone on a team, following a plan, taking their time
-By someone with military training, even combat experience
-By a sociopath or someone who displays negative affect
-By a family member who feels personally very comfortable in the woman's home
-By Mr. Blonde
2012-07-24 06:26:14 AM
1 votes:
Is this real? Am I still asleep? What f*cking year is this?
2012-07-24 06:25:34 AM
1 votes:
Am I really supposed to care about this? Get real.

And to those who are bashing religion - it's not going away. Deal with it
2012-07-24 06:24:59 AM
1 votes:

xl5150: Not to mention the evidence is piling up that this was all self-inflicted.


How many times you going to keep trying that? If you're going to be an asshat, at least attempt to be an interesting or funny one.
2012-07-24 06:24:34 AM
1 votes:
People are born the way they're born. Straight or gay, you are who you are, and the sooner people get a grip on this, the better.

Prayers and good karma being wished for this woman, and for all who suffer from bigotry.
2012-07-24 06:18:55 AM
1 votes:
Ok, so the perps were obviously not Real Christians(™), but it doesn't matter because she did it to herself anyway. Boy, I was way off!
2012-07-24 06:15:06 AM
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xl5150: The honest truth here is that in this instance, people are bringing up a variety of valid pieces of evidence that cause them to be suspect of this case.


Sure they are... you just can't name any of them.

xl5150: I know of true suffering. Just look at my people.


Uh huh... sure you do.
2012-07-24 06:11:50 AM
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Red Shirt Blues: OTOH I hope I am right that nobody would be sick enough to storm somebody's house and mutilate her because she's gay.


Time to familiarize yourself with the species, then. We're among the few on this sphere that kill one another "just because".
2012-07-24 06:11:15 AM
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Oznog: And it just keeps going- started a fire which conveniently didn't burn the place down. Come on. Who throws gasoline around and DOESN'T make a real fire?? You gotta pay close attention to just how you spill it to NOT burn the place down. Mysterious strangers who spill only a small, controlled amount of gasoline and light it and walk away? Naaaaw.


You either watch too many movies, or are one of those near-hypochondriac fire fighters who after seeing a couple of bad burns immediately start lecturing out anytime you see a power strip plugged into a power strip or a space heater of any style any where. Now it certainly could go either way. I've yet to see any /actual/ evidence leaning towards fake. So far it's just as likely some homegrown idiots watch the same stupid movies you do.
2012-07-24 06:09:18 AM
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IlGreven: Ambivalence: TheDumbBlonde: No Christian was involved in this heinous crime.

That's not really for you to say.

Sure it is. They may call themselves Christian, but no tenet of any Christian sect I've ever seen advocates shiat like this.


Isn't so very convenient to automatically dismiss someone out of the ranks of Christianity because they did something bad? It doesn't matter if you don't consider them a Christian now or not. That person was still a Christian and was influenced by Christianity whether you wish that wasn't true or not.

That being said... we have no proof at all that these people considered themselves Christian or not. I just find your denial of the allegation that they could even be Christian interesting to some degree. Mostly because it seems like an attempt to dodge responsibility on behalf of Christianity... or at least sects you've ever seen.
2012-07-24 06:05:16 AM
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KrispyKritter: the story reads damn odd and makes one wonder. reads like bullshiat to me. complete with a trio of ninjas and a gas source fire that only causes $200 damage.


Yeah, this sounds like an attention grab. We'll have to wait for the facts, but I'm leaning on an inside job here.

/have no dog in the fight, could give a shiat about religion
2012-07-24 06:01:55 AM
1 votes:

ginandbacon: This is just awful Subby. I will hold your friend in my heart.


This.
I'm so sorry.
May you be strong, Subby. For her.

/copied because elegantly stated, ginandbacon
2012-07-24 05:57:25 AM
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xl5150: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Seriously, the number of people that jumped to the "she did it herself" conclusion is almost as sickening as the crime.

And the fact that so many people (or should I say "sheeple") simply accept everything at face value and fail to ever employ any critical thinking skills whatsoever in their lives is even more sickening than this alleged crime.


It was a good troll. You shouldn't have signed it.
2012-07-24 05:54:48 AM
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AbbeySomeone: I can't stand to spend time around these inbred, ignorant people that think behavior like this is OK.


Yes, isn't prejudice ugly? It's a good thing only certain entire parts of the country are inbred and ignorant while entire other regions are completely free from such things.
2012-07-24 05:54:26 AM
1 votes:

xl5150: Seeing how it's becoming more and more believable that she did it to herself, I think this is going to be a victory for gay-haters because of the undermining it will do to the gay agenda when the (probable) truth comes out that it is in fact self-inflicted.


What is giving you that impression, besides other people claiming the same thing because they just can't fathom someone doing something horrible like that?
2012-07-24 05:52:57 AM
1 votes:
Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil also comes to mind.

I guess I need to go to sleep.
2012-07-24 05:50:24 AM
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digistil: Red Shirt Blues: I hate to be that guy but.......this could be self inflicted. Kind of like that woman who threw acid in her own face. I was looking at pics of the messages left on her walls. Pretty good printing for spray paint. I mean if you're an attacker all stoked up smashing doors in committing violence and arson.......
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In one way I hope I am wrong, that nobody could contrive this, OTOH I hope I am right that nobody would be sick enough to storm somebody's house and mutilate her because she's gay.

Very good point. Can you link to the source of the pics? I don't see them on the news story page.


do a GIS for 'Lincoln hate crime' and there they are.
2012-07-24 05:49:36 AM
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Ambivalence: TheDumbBlonde: No Christian was involved in this heinous crime.

That's not really for you to say. I understand not wanting to be associated with this kind of filth, but if they say they're christian, then they are christian. They may be really bad at BEING Christian, but it's not like there's an authoritity with the power to kick out bad examples from the entire suite of Christian religions.


I can say I'm a Martian, but it does not make me a Martian.
Hopefully they catch these guys and let them experience life in the general population of a federal prison.
2012-07-24 05:48:05 AM
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xl5150: I know everyone is thinking it, so I'll be the first to come out and say it.

Most of the time when something like this happens, the "victim" has done it to themself either for attention or to try to get sympathy for their cause. Think back to the Jewish professor who got caught spraypainting swastikas on her house and then reporting it as a hate crime as an example.

Has that been looked into here?


You're a day late and a dollar short.

/ask your mom for singles, I know she has some
2012-07-24 05:44:17 AM
1 votes:
Main Page is looking dark today.
2012-07-24 02:56:55 AM
1 votes:

unlikely: Denver and Boulder are pretty safe and not as dramatic a move from Lincoln as California.

If your friend takes any kind of escape option and you contact me (eip) in advance we can bring a few folks to help with the move. Safety in numbers and all that. I'd be willing to burn a weekend to help someone get out of a place like that.


It's times like this when I realize that a West Coast perspective isn't the norm. Damn, that's too bad. I can't stand to spend time around these inbred, ignorant people that think behavior like this is OK. They terrify me and I'm a straight white woman.
Find out who did this and toss some weed in their car. It's illegal there right?
2012-07-24 01:05:58 AM
1 votes:
bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com
2012-07-24 12:41:11 AM
1 votes:
Red Shirt Blues:

Pretty good printing for spray paint. I mean if you're an attacker all stoked up smashing doors in committing violence and arson.......


It doesn't necessarily mean self inflicted, it could be someone she knows, making this attack and the message a personal one. however, I would think if someone was trying to spread a particular message they would want to spray paint the outside of the house to shame the individual or send a message to everyone else in the neighborhood
2012-07-24 12:37:23 AM
1 votes:
Wow, that's farked up. Hope your friend is OK. Hope whoever did it gets what they need to get.

Red Shirt Blues: Pretty good printing for spray paint. I mean if you're an attacker all stoked up smashing doors in committing violence and arson.......


That does seem pretty neat to me, but I don't frequently vandalize peoples' houses after attacking them, so I'm no expert. I think I'll give her the benefit of the doubt.
2012-07-24 12:20:24 AM
1 votes:
Submitter, can you keep up informed how the investigation is going on this incident? I just stunned three men attacked a woman in her home and left anti-gay slurs on her. Normally one sees male on male violence involving gays, bisexuals, and transgenders, not male on female. Breaking in and arson are serious felonies, beyond simple assault.
2012-07-24 12:17:14 AM
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Benevolent Misanthrope: Lorelle: I'm so sorry, Subby. Incidents such as this make me want to cry.

ginandbacon: Can we help in any way? Is there somewhere we can send donations to help her with hospital bills or to set up new housing?

We should take up a collection to send her to a gay-friendly place such as L.A. or S.F.

/L.A. woman

The Pacific Northwest. Hell - it's an event when I meet a woman who isn't gay.


Yup, let's just banish all the people with the audacity to be attracted to members of their own sex to certain regions in the country, you know, so we can keep an eye on 'em.
2012-07-24 12:00:10 AM
1 votes:
may the perps be caught and sanduskied for the rest of their lives in jail.
2012-07-23 11:18:34 PM
1 votes:
Isolated incident, overzealous parishioner.
2012-07-23 10:48:33 PM
1 votes:

Lorelle: I'm so sorry, Subby. Incidents such as this make me want to cry.

ginandbacon: Can we help in any way? Is there somewhere we can send donations to help her with hospital bills or to set up new housing?

We should take up a collection to send her to a gay-friendly place such as L.A. or S.F.

/L.A. woman


The Pacific Northwest. Hell - it's an event when I meet a woman who isn't gay.
2012-07-23 10:36:15 PM
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nekom: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Not even if they follow Jesus Christ

Jesus was strangely silent on the issue of homosexuality. He was pretty heavy with the `let he who is without sin cast the first stone', `love thy neighbor' stuff though.

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: and their church's interpretation of the Bible with regards to homosexuality?

Well THERE'S your problem.


Yep, the OT is kinda like the Yellow Pages of hate and commandments. It's got a listing for everything under the sun.
2012-07-23 10:18:50 PM
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TheDumbBlonde: No Christian was involved in this heinous crime.


Not even if they follow Jesus Christ and their church's interpretation of the Bible with regards to homosexuality? I suppose they aren't American either.
2012-07-23 09:26:48 PM
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You obviously need to attend church more often then. Start this Sunday, brother.
 
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