relcec: but seriously, does she have any beloved indoor pets that were there inside when the fire was started? I'd find it highly unlikely this was a hoax if that would mean she had to start a fire that could quite likely kill her animals.

Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, maybe she didn't gamble with her house, pets, or her own life and set a controlled fire that wouldn't spread. That's what I would do if I were hoaxing.

pciszek: As for atheists, we think lesbians are hot.

Would you care to rephrase that?

Deucednuisance: Occam's Nailfile: I invite you to explain to me why someone would bother bringing gasoline to someone's house in order to make a little fire on some concrete after carving into her.

For a guy with your name, you sure fail to use it.

Tell me, what evidence have you that the gas was brought to the house, rather than there was gas already in the house which was exploited? Most houses have some gas laying about.

Occam's Nailfile: The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

Indeed.

I have at least three gas cans in my garage. Power goes out a lot and I have a generator. (Be Prepared!) Lawn mower, power tiller, I run through a lot of gas. If our activist has only, say, a lawn mower, she doesn't use much gas. Perhaps our assailants poured out what there was to terrify her, lit it and ran?

How is that not "simple"?

EVERYBODY PANIC: If truly bound with wire ties,

"Wire ties"? Where the hell does that come from?



What an odd detail for you to pick on.

You can see up-thread that referred to them as cable ties. For tying cables together. "Wire ties" is valid too... for tying wires together. I've never had to tie zips together, though I have used the occasional safety pin on broken zippers. Hey, maybe *that's* what "zip ties" are! Don't know how they could have bound her, though.

trappedspirit: relcec: but seriously, does she have any beloved indoor pets that were there inside when the fire was started? I'd find it highly unlikely this was a hoax if that would mean she had to start a fire that could quite likely kill her animals.

Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, maybe she didn't gamble with her house, pets, or her own life and set a controlled fire that wouldn't spread. That's what I would do if I were hoaxing.

fire is still fire.
I think I'd be too worried about my cat. I might have balls enough to do it on a tile floor. like two cups of gasoline. maybe. makes it a lot less likely in my mind though.

beakerxf: The police being tight lipped is making suspicious of her claim.

Even competent police departments often refuse to talk about an ongoing investigation.

BigNumber12: What does that have to do with my disputing "Criminals don't think rationally, if they did they wouldn't be criminals" ?

Well, if a crime is an action against the law, it depends on the law.

For example, if it is against the law to take pictures of the authorities shooting random civilians (Arab Spring, anyone?) and you do it anyway, you're certainly a criminal, but are you irrational?

A little closer to home, do I suddenly become irrational if I drive 56 mph instead of 55?

If you legally have a particular sort of pet -- a pit bull, let's say, or a ball python -- and the local municipality criminalizes owning that pet, do you instantly lose your reason? Would you get it back if you moved a block away, so you were outside of town?

The problem isn't whether, as a blanket statement, criminals don't think rationally, or criminals do think rationally. Either one can be true, or they can both be true in combination, depending on the particular criminal, the particular law, and the particular situation. We have the innumerable "dumb crooks" stories that turn up here on Fark to show us the ones that don't think rationally (or, in some cases, apparently don't think at all). We have all the people who have never been caught because they planned their crimes so carefully to show us the ones that do think rationally. They're a bit harder to name, since they're distinguished by not being caught, but the clearance rates on various crimes make it obvious they're out there. And you have the ones who start out with a workable idea but lose the plot somewhere along the line, criminals who tend to feature in TV shows like "Solved" because they were smart enough to plan out their crime, but not quite smart enough to get away with it.

So, in short, it's never that simple.

RatOmeter: Don't know how they could have bound her, though.

You lack imagination:



And they're called "zip" ties because of the sound they make when you cinch them tight.

optimistic_cynic: "it's a crime to pour out a beer after one sip". You'd have to be a damned sociopath to do that.

or a beer snob

relcec: fire is still fire.

Yes, and a controlled blaze is still a controlled blaze. Heck even 3 thugs couldn't intentionally set the place on fire, she didn't have a chance accidentally.

To the jerks who don't think gay people just get beaten for the hell of it here are 2 other incidents from the last week:

DC Police investigating beating of yoga instructor, his partner as hate crime
Family says beaten teen girl is a victim of a hate crime

So yeah. It happens. Fark you for saying it doesn't.

I know this is fark but, seriously, what's with all the blame the victim crap? "Oooh, well I'm jaded." Yeah, well so is everyone else; it doesn't make you a special snowflake. And the fact you're being that much of an ass when it's a fellow farker's friend is pretty reprehensible. I hope none of you have someone dear in a situation like this ever so you never have to deal with jerks like you.

And for the 2 of you who are betting on whether this is real or not? Wow. You suck. Your reaction of "let's bet on whether this lady is lying" instead of actually doing anything constructive - like donating the money you're betting, or not being total tools - is why we, as humans, can't have nice things.

Deucednuisance:

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EVERYBODY PANIC: If truly bound with wire ties,

"Wire ties"? Where the hell does that come from?

Zip Ties:



That's some fine imaginary police work, Lou.
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Some wire ties are still made from wire. Want to guess what they were originally used to secure?
/occasionally run across waxed twine wire ties on the older boats.

SELF INFLECTED Bet Drew a beer

kymike78: I know this is fark but, seriously, what's with all the blame the victim crap? "Oooh, well I'm jaded." Yeah, well so is everyone else; it doesn't make you a special snowflake. And the fact you're being that much of an ass when it's a fellow farker's friend is pretty reprehensible. I hope none of you have someone dear in a situation like this ever so you never have to deal with jerks like you.

If it's real then we feel bad for her, but the facts that have been released should make anyone a bit suspicious. Why write messages on skin and a house that you intend to burn? Why was gasoline used so ineffectively as to appear to be a deliberate effort to cause no real damage? Why was she not savagely beaten if they were willing to carve her skin? Sorry, but these facts do point towards a hoax, don't blame others for calling it like they see it.

Pray 4 Mojo: /And the obligatory comment about how nobody complains too much about the snarky and hurtful comments Farkers make every day... until the story is about a Farker or friend of a Farker... then we're all arseholes for making snarky and hurtful comments.

kymike78: I know this is fark but, seriously, what's with all the blame the victim crap? "Oooh, well I'm jaded." Yeah, well so is everyone else; it doesn't make you a special snowflake. And the fact you're being that much of an ass when it's a fellow farker's friend is pretty reprehensible. I hope none of you have someone dear in a situation like this ever so you never have to deal with jerks like you.

Yes. It's not right. It's never right. It's assholeish. It's disgusting. The fact that it's Fark doesn't make it any less assholeish. I for one, am done with that behavior.

/ No, not kidding.

Benevolent Misanthrope: We should take up a collection to send her to a gay-friendly place such as L.A. or S.F.

Actually, Lincoln has a very large and active LGBT community, even by the standards of more liberal states. Even when I was in school over 20 years back we had openly gay teachers, clubs diversity-assemblies etc.
Of course that really only applies to Lincoln. The further you get from college and university campuses, the less tolerant us locals start to become

I know, CSB.
I hate that when every we get headlines, it is always for something crappy as hell.
Hope Subby's friend will be okay and they catch the folk who did it..

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Why write messages on skin and a house that you intend to burn?

To torture. If I personally wanted to kill someone I found abhorrent, I would torture them first to get my aggressions out, then kill them. Then again, I have a bit of a psychotic streak in me.

Why was gasoline used so ineffectively as to appear to be a deliberate effort to cause no real damage?

Ineptitude on the part of the attackers as to the flame properties of gasoline. It is supposed to explode when you throw a match to it like in a movie, right?

Why was she not savagely beaten if they were willing to carve her skin?

Other reports of this story have her neighbor describing her appearance as that of someone that had been "tortured". No evidence as to whether or not the cuts were the only damage that has been presented, just that the cuts existed and were prominent.

You are making an ass-load of inference in assuming it is a hoax, especially considering that details have not been fully released.

Callous: I don't know if this has been previously mentioned as I haven't read the entire thread.

After reading several articles on this attack one thing has puzzled me. They forced their way into her house forcibly subdued her, stripped her naked, zip-tied her, and used a knife to carve words into her skin but there's no mention of any other bumps, bruises, or contusions. Just the carved words. I find it hard to believe that 3 guys with that level of hatred for her wouldn't have beaten the crap out of her. There should be some kind of bumps, bruises and defensive wounds at least from the struggle while they were stripping her.

That being said, I hope that the story is false as that would mean we have one person that's crying out for help that can be helped and not three psychos that probably won't make the same mistake with the fire burning out again.

Homophobe!!!!!! My initial reaction was "somebody should kill these farkers", but then it sank in - the story is almost certainly bullshiat. That's what I thought that before coming to Fark this morning. After reading about how this happened to a Farkette's friend...that cinched it.

It is in the realm of "could be true" but it is probably made up, unless one or more of the following happen:

The woman identifies a vehicle the assailants used and ANYONE corroborates the presence of the vehicle at her house.

Someone comes forward to say "yeah, I saw some guys walking to her door, but I didn't think anything of it"

There is some physical evidence of the presence of these men. Are we to believe their garments didn't contain a single misplaced hair and the struggle resulted in no DNA under anyone's fingernails, no blood loss, and no fingerprints? No shoe prints in blood? No clothing prints from their knees being in the blood on the floor?

There has to be more than surface damage to her body. Anyone who has cleaned/gutted an animal knows it is hard to cut the outside without cutting the inside. It would be very hard to slice words into the skin of a person struggling and writhing in pain and to not gash deeply, probably damaging organs. If this cutting resembles the famous backwards 'B', that's a bad sign for credibility. If the letters are almost completely illegible and her skin is a complete wreck with permanent deep and uneven scars...more credible and sad.

Nobody should feel bad at all to doubt this story. I only mention because I sort of feel bad myself for doubting, and there certainly a few farks here at fark that would like us to feel bad for even doubting. fark them. There is a history of activists setting themselves up as victims of bigotry.

Google "hate crime hoax" - there are some farked up people out there.

Here are Link

So if this one turns out to be probably or definitely true, it's not like you'd owe anyone an apology for having serious doubts. If you don't have any doubt AT ALL, you are probably a good target for a con artist.

Worldwalker: Maul555: This is true. When I was around 10, me and my best friend decided to go take a bunch of gasoline and pour it into a large bowl, set in the middle of the street so we didnt catch anything on fire... We then attempted to use matches to set it ablaze. We literally extinguished the matches in the pool of gasoline. It would not catch.

It's all in the conditions. Back in my trailer park days (I lived in a trailer park for a few years) one of my neighbors burned down his trailer by trying to fill a kerosene heater on his porch. I'm still a little unclear on how he managed this. I, on the other hand, had an ancient pot-burner furnace which was lit by allowing a thin layer of kerosene to flow into the bottom of the burner and tossing in a burning rag. Yes, really. This is how I discovered that kerosene is an excellent substance to extinguish burning rags with. :-( Lighting that thing was a black art.

Someone who's seen too many of the wrong movies (you know, the kind where a car flies off a cliff and blows up in mid air) could certainly expect a match thrown into a puddle of gasoline to touch off a huge fire that engulfs the house. It works that way on TV, doesn't it? So yeah, I can easily see an inexperienced arsonist (aka some random punk) thinking he's going to get a lot bigger result than he got, tossing his match, and scramming before everything blew up (even though it wasn't going to).

Oh, and as for the grill story: that wasn't gasoline on a flat, impermeable floor where only the surface can interact with air; that was gasoline spread over an open structure made of porous substances (aka charcoal) meant to burn easily. Of course you get more dramatic results. Next time you're filling the lawnmower, though, try putting some gasoline in a dish and tossing in a match. The lack of explosion will badly disappoint you. Look up what a WW2 "Benghazi burner" was.

Kerosene is completely different from gasoline. The super-high flash point of kerosene means that you can indeed put matches out in bowls of the stuff . . and starting a kerosene fire can be a bit tricky. Gasoline, on the other hand, has a very low (sub-zero degree) flash point and will be producing copious amounts of vapor at room temperature - which will explode the moment flame comes near it.

fuhfuhfuh

She's in "hiding", so if they beat her, it wasn't severe enough to send her to the hospital, which is strange for people who are willing to carve her skin. And the cutting itself was shallow enough that no extended medical intervention was required, which is strangely careful for people who intended to burn her to death only moments later. That's pretty inconsistent behavior.

As for the fire, you're claiming ineptitude, which means they did intend to burn more than a tiny section of flooring. I honestly have a hard time believing that they'd place such a small amount of gasoline in a single area causing little real damage. It sounds exactly like what someone perpetrating a hoax would do if they intended to bring fire into the act but wanted to be sure they didn't lose all of their possessions and pets. And no, I don't expect the gasoline to explode, but I doubt that people who would do this would avoid taking the time to spread gasoline around the room, which would make the entire place go up in seconds once lit. No, instead they tied her with a zip tie, (which is also one of the few methods of restraint that can be self applied), poured none of the gas on her, and poured it in such a way to avoid cutting off an exit she could crawl through. I'm not saying there's a 100% chance this is a hoax, but it sure looks like the facts fit.

Deucednuisance: And they're called "zip" ties because of the sound they make when you cinch them tight.

Gives me a boner every time I hear that sound.

BraveNewCheneyWorld: fuhfuhfuh

She's in "hiding", so if they beat her, it wasn't severe enough to send her to the hospital, which is strange for people who are willing to carve her skin. And the cutting itself was shallow enough that no extended medical intervention was required, which is strangely careful for people who intended to burn her to death only moments later. That's pretty inconsistent behavior.

As for the fire, you're claiming ineptitude, which means they did intend to burn more than a tiny section of flooring. I honestly have a hard time believing that they'd place such a small amount of gasoline in a single area causing little real damage. It sounds exactly like what someone perpetrating a hoax would do if they intended to bring fire into the act but wanted to be sure they didn't lose all of their possessions and pets. And no, I don't expect the gasoline to explode, but I doubt that people who would do this would avoid taking the time to spread gasoline around the room, which would make the entire place go up in seconds once lit. No, instead they tied her with a zip tie, (which is also one of the few methods of restraint that can be self applied), poured none of the gas on her, and poured it in such a way to avoid cutting off an exit she could crawl through. I'm not saying there's a 100% chance this is a hoax, but it sure looks like the facts fit.

So the facts from this version of the story are that she was indeed beaten. This article has the three men waiting for her in the basement, which would have given them ample time to do their graffiti. This article says that the gasoline was spread around the house.

Where are you getting your "facts" from?

fuhfuhfuh: BraveNewCheneyWorld: fuhfuhfuh

She's in "hiding", so if they beat her, it wasn't severe enough to send her to the hospital, which is strange for people who are willing to carve her skin. And the cutting itself was shallow enough that no extended medical intervention was required, which is strangely careful for people who intended to burn her to death only moments later. That's pretty inconsistent behavior.

As for the fire, you're claiming ineptitude, which means they did intend to burn more than a tiny section of flooring. I honestly have a hard time believing that they'd place such a small amount of gasoline in a single area causing little real damage. It sounds exactly like what someone perpetrating a hoax would do if they intended to bring fire into the act but wanted to be sure they didn't lose all of their possessions and pets. And no, I don't expect the gasoline to explode, but I doubt that people who would do this would avoid taking the time to spread gasoline around the room, which would make the entire place go up in seconds once lit. No, instead they tied her with a zip tie, (which is also one of the few methods of restraint that can be self applied), poured none of the gas on her, and poured it in such a way to avoid cutting off an exit she could crawl through. I'm not saying there's a 100% chance this is a hoax, but it sure looks like the facts fit.

So the facts from this version of the story are that she was indeed beaten. This article has the three men waiting for her in the basement, which would have given them ample time to do their graffiti. This article says that the gasoline was spread around the house.

Where are you getting your "facts" from?

His ass. What's it to ya?

fuhfuhfuh: So the facts from this version of the story are that she was indeed beaten

Seriously? Can you not read? I said..

BraveNewCheneyWorld: She's in "hiding", so if they beat her, it wasn't severe enough to send her to the hospital, which is strange for people who are willing to carve her skin. And the cutting itself was shallow enough that no extended medical intervention was required, which is strangely careful for people who intended to burn her to death only moments later. That's pretty inconsistent behavior.

fuhfuhfuh: This article has the three men waiting for her in the basement, which would have given them ample time to do their graffiti.

I said nothing about them not having time to write graffiti, I do however question why they would write graffiti in a basement if they intended to burn the house down.

fuhfuhfuh: This article says that the gasoline was spread around the house.

That article gives very little information on the extent of the spreading, frankly I suspect the reporter was incorrect. I haven't seen other articles mentioning this. The point stands though, it's hard to start a gas fire in a house that doesn't do much damage, that takes effort.

fuhfuhfuh: Where are you getting your "facts" from?

Um.. the article linked by a news aggregator called fark.com, and the corresponding forum.

BraveNewCheneyWorld: fuhfuhfuh: So the facts from this version of the story are that she was indeed beaten

Seriously? Can you not read? I said..

BraveNewCheneyWorld: She's in "hiding", so if they beat her, it wasn't severe enough to send her to the hospital, which is strange for people who are willing to carve her skin. And the cutting itself was shallow enough that no extended medical intervention was required, which is strangely careful for people who intended to burn her to death only moments later. That's pretty inconsistent behavior.

fuhfuhfuh: This article has the three men waiting for her in the basement, which would have given them ample time to do their graffiti.

I said nothing about them not having time to write graffiti, I do however question why they would write graffiti in a basement if they intended to burn the house down.

fuhfuhfuh: This article says that the gasoline was spread around the house.

That article gives very little information on the extent of the spreading, frankly I suspect the reporter was incorrect. I haven't seen other articles mentioning this. The point stands though, it's hard to start a gas fire in a house that doesn't do much damage, that takes effort.

fuhfuhfuh: Where are you getting your "facts" from?

Um.. the article linked by a news aggregator called fark.com, and the corresponding forum.

SHE DID GO TO THE HOSPITAL YOU IGNORANT PIECE OF SHIAT! Perhaps if you read more than the seriously lacking shiatty linked article and peanut-gallery hoax accusation posts, you would have known this. And now we get you saying that a reporter might be mistaken whilst taking the linked article as the be-all, end-all evidence. Face it, you are making assumptions based on your own pig-headed bias, same as all of the other people in here rushing to the "hoax" judgement.

EmmaLou: Thanks Farkers for nothing. I thought maybe I'd see nice words of encouragement for her or a discussion about bigotry. I was hoping for a little redemption of the human spirit. What I got was just exactly the opposite. People suck. WTF is wrong with people? I've completely lost my faith in humanity and this was just the nail in the coffin. When something bad happens and I see something posted on here about your loved one or friend, I'm not going to care any more. I'd kind of like my money back from all of the times I've donated to help your causes.

If it's real then I'm sure most of us apologize, however if you look around the internet, there are literally dozens of other websites where a great many of the commenters suspect a hoax as well. You should be less angry at our skepticism than you should be at those who have perpetrated similar hoaxes in the past. It's those people who caused this, not us.

EmmaLou: Thanks Farkers for nothing. I thought maybe I'd see nice words of encouragement for her or a discussion about bigotry. I was hoping for a little redemption of the human spirit. What I got was just exactly the opposite. People suck. WTF is wrong with people? I've completely lost my faith in humanity and this was just the nail in the coffin. When something bad happens and I see something posted on here about your loved one or friend, I'm not going to care any more. I'd kind of like my money back from all of the times I've donated to help your causes.

Not had a cause here that I've ever requested you donate to in my 9 years as a Farker. Also, aside from the typical fark assholishness, there actually are a couple of discussions on bigotry/religion and guns going on, also many in this thread have expressed sympathy for your friend and hope she recovers and whoever is responsible is caught. There are those who wonder about the possibility of it being a hoax and going off half-cocked, but that's the nature of the internet beast sadly. Don't tar everyone in this fark thread with the same broad brush.

BraveNewCheneyWorld: fuhfuhfuh

She's in "hiding", so if they beat her, it wasn't severe enough to send her to the hospital, which is strange for people who are willing to carve her skin. And the cutting itself was shallow enough that no extended medical intervention was required, which is strangely careful for people who intended to burn her to death only moments later. That's pretty inconsistent behavior.

She did go to the hospital. She was treated and released. Which is consistent with bruises and cuts.

As for the fire, you're claiming ineptitude, which means they did intend to burn more than a tiny section of flooring. I honestly have a hard time believing that they'd place such a small amount of gasoline in a single area causing little real damage.

I'm curious, oh Fire Marshal. How much gasoline do you have to pour onto the floor of an unfinished basement in order to do real damage?

And no, I don't expect the gasoline to explode, but I doubt that people who would do this would avoid taking the time to spread gasoline around the room, which would make the entire place go up in seconds once lit.

WHICH WOULD KILL THE PEOPLE WHO SET THE FIRE.

You spread a lot of gasoline around in a basement. The fumes will go up the stairwell. When you light the fire, anybody who was on the stairs would be crispy. You'd actually be safer on the floor.

Are you really this stupid, or do you just play it on the net?

fuhfuhfuh: SHE DID GO TO THE HOSPITAL YOU IGNORANT PIECE OF SHIAT! Perhaps if you read more than the seriously lacking shiatty linked article and peanut-gallery hoax accusation posts, you would have known this. And now we get you saying that a reporter might be mistaken whilst taking the linked article as the be-all, end-all evidence. Face it, you are making assumptions based on your own pig-headed bias, same as all of the other people in here rushing to the "hoax" judgement.

And zero organ damage after having messages carved into her stomach? You really think people who would do that would be careful to not cause any vital injury? That doesn't strike you as a bit odd? Then taking all of the other reports together, you don't have the slightest suspicion that something isn't right?

BraveNewCheneyWorld: And zero organ damage after having messages carved into her stomach? You really think people who would do that would be careful to not cause any vital injury? That doesn't strike you as a bit odd? Then taking all of the other reports together, you don't have the slightest suspicion that something isn't right?

Take a knife, one with a pointed tip like a hunting knife or something. Drag the tip down your leg. Notice the "carving" without actually stabbing deep into the body. Have two buddies hold someone down. Use the tip to scratch designs or messages into their flesh. Let them know that if they struggle you will kill them.

See how easy it is to "carve" into someone without repeatedly stabbing their victim. Also, slicing with a knife does not typically penetrate deep enough to cause organ damage, unless you use a sawing motion or a long, forceful draw. You don't carve into someone using a stabbing motion.

The Jami Turman Fan Club: I'm curious, oh Fire Marshal. How much gasoline do you have to pour onto the floor of an unfinished basement in order to do real damage?

I'm curious, who the hell tries to light noncombustible things on fire with gasoline? Aside from people who don't actually want a real fire that is..

The Jami Turman Fan Club: You spread a lot of gasoline around in a basement. The fumes will go up the stairwell. When you light the fire, anybody who was on the stairs would be crispy. You'd actually be safer on the floor.

Are you really this stupid, or do you just play it on the net?

Because nobody would ever think to make a trail of gasoline and light it from a safe distance. The only way your argument sounds reasonable is if we found out all three attackers had downs syndrome. Honestly, when your argument relies on 3 people being shockingly dumb, yet intelligent enough to avoid identification using an abundance of caution in hiding their faces from someone they very well intended to kill, yet allowed to miraculously escaped due to their stunning ineptitude, chances are, you're not correct. Your argument relies on them being intelligent yet stupid at the same time. It makes little sense.

BraveNewCheneyWorld: And zero organ damage after having messages carved into her stomach?

I want you to listen to just how paranoid you've been sounding. Go back and read the posts you've made in this thread. I'll wait. I want you to understand just how persistently boorish you, in particular, have been in this thread. No, you're not the only one by any stretch, but you've been a complete and paranoid dickhead to someone who does not deserve your bullshiat today.

You owe EmmaLou an apology. And I the fact that this has to be pointed out to you should be cause for serious and candid reflection on your part.

EmmaLou: I'm angry that I have a friend who was just sleeping in her house, who hadn't done anything to anyone and who was happy with her life until someone decided they could barge in and torture her. It's really no wonder that victims are reluctant to report crimes. It's always the victim's fault until proven otherwise. That's the shame.

It is a shame. And if you look above, I said to give your friend a hug for me. If you're able to. I don't have money to spare to donate, but I hope she can manage to carry on with her life. I don't think this is a hoax.

Deucednuisance:

EVERYBODY PANIC: If truly bound with wire ties,

"Wire ties"? Where the hell does that come from?

Zip Ties

I apologize. That's what we called them in the 1970's when I was a telephone switching tech. Never seen or heard of them before that. Just showing my age.

Now wait just a minute... GIS for
shows that Wire Ties is still in common usage. Back when we were wiring huge cable networks, you were just learning to use your zippers I guess. That explains much, you young whippersnappers.

/Zippersnappers?

/GIS for the win!

Oblio13: muck4doo: ... Stalin would send you to prison for it, and he was not religious....

Stalin trained for the priesthood.

Yet he didn't become a priest, did he? He became the leader of the most powerful Atheist government the world has probably ever known, and hated religious people.

/And homosexuals too.

MooseUpNorth: I want you to listen to just how paranoid you've been sounding

It's not paranoia to point out that a string of facts strongly support an alternate story. Go read other forums on the internet about this story, there are many people who suspect a hoax as well, in fact I've never seen this number of people suspect a beating was a hoax. Why do you think that is? I certainly feel bad if it's real, however I won't apologize for following facts to their logical conclusion.

BraveNewCheneyWorld:
If it's real then I'm sure most of us apologize, however if you look around the internet, there are literally dozens of other websites where a great many of the commenters suspect a hoax as well. You should be less angry at our skepticism than you should be at those who have perpetrated similar hoaxes in the past. It's those people who caused this, not us.
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Have any of the victim/donation/whatever threads previously greenlit on FARK turned out to be hoaxes?
?
Mods? Admins? Anybody know?

BraveNewCheneyWorld: MooseUpNorth: I want you to listen to just how paranoid you've been sounding

It's not paranoia to point out that a string of facts strongly support an alternate story. Go read other forums on the internet about this story, there are many people who suspect a hoax as well, in fact I've never seen this number of people suspect a beating was a hoax. Why do you think that is? I certainly feel bad if it's real, however I won't apologize for following facts to their logical conclusion.

and which other forums have you been trolling in, in regards to this story?