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2012-07-24 11:11:44 AM  

clyph: I'm just going to leave this here...

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Except that armed gays probably do still get bashed. Or, they get involved in shootouts in which innocent bystanders are hurt.

/guns don't kill people, armed gays kill people
 
2012-07-24 11:11:47 AM  

SkunkWerks:
This text is now purple: If you're going to argue that it requires a novel non-nonchalance, then we need to establish which animals are sufficiently sentient for novelty

Did that already. It amounts to less than one percent of species (and probably less than one tenth of a percent, I might even hazard). If the Science behind it interests you at all, most of these have some significant capacity for long-term memory.


You threw out sapience, of which we have one example. That example kills for novelty. So 100% of sapient species are casual murders, but that's tautological.

We haven't stated which in the list are sentient -- and the only ones you listed you agreed were also casual killers.

You seem hung up on novelty, but refuse to specify which organisms are capable of novelty. That's also an easily moving target, because we have only a hazy means of determining what constitutes novelty in a non-human. Moving to a less narrow concept, intelligent animals kill each other frequently and often for apparently non-survival reasons. Certainly, many intelligent animals seem to have a strong "asshole" streak in them.
 
2012-07-24 11:12:07 AM  

xl5150: And the fact that so many people (or should I say "sheeple") simply accept everything at face value and fail to ever employ any critical thinking skills whatsoever in their lives is even more sickening than this alleged crime.


schlomosteel.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-07-24 11:12:26 AM  

gulogulo: Theaetetus: Respectfully, you may have misread... I've seen multiple stories describing her as crawling and still bound, as well as this line in the article:

No, I'm fairly sure I read that she ran..her feet were not tied, just her hands. I remember thinking "It was a good thing she had something sharp nearby to cut the ties around her feet so she could get out of the house before it burned." I know it wasn't the passage you're speaking about. I'll see if I can find it.


The Omaha.com article has a quote best friend Erin Thompson; "I'm so proud of her, I'm so proud my best friend could walk out the door."

Another article says she crawled, naked and bound, so who knows.
 
2012-07-24 11:12:47 AM  
So I guess nobody is going to address why the attackers would carve messages on a victim, or avoid killing the victim if they expected her to die in a fire a few minutes later... Seems beyond suspicious to me.
 
2012-07-24 11:13:26 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: So I guess nobody is going to address why the attackers would carve messages on a victim, or avoid killing the victim if they expected her to die in a fire a few minutes later... Seems beyond suspicious to me.


Criminals don't think.
 
2012-07-24 11:14:24 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: So I guess nobody is going to address why the attackers would carve messages on a victim, or avoid killing the victim if they expected her to die in a fire a few minutes later... Seems beyond suspicious to me.


Fire could have been an after thought.
 
2012-07-24 11:15:14 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: So I guess nobody is going to address why the attackers would carve messages on a victim, or avoid killing the victim if they expected her to die in a fire a few minutes later... Seems beyond suspicious to me.


Because they WANTED her to DIAF, not just burn up after she was already dead.
 
2012-07-24 11:16:34 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: So I guess nobody is going to address why the attackers would carve messages on a victim, or avoid killing the victim if they expected her to die in a fire a few minutes later... Seems beyond suspicious to me.


Except for the four people, myself included, who did.
 
2012-07-24 11:17:12 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF is wrong is, they hate gay people. Usually because of religion - either religious training in their youth, or their religion as adults.

Gays know - people hate us. Just because people pretend to "be okay" with us being gay, or don't openly act like this, it's clear - a helluvalotta people, deep down, hate us and wish they had the balls to be like the WBC folks or these turds.

Sad, but true.


Just got to the thread and it's already at defcon eleventy with 2nd post trolling?
 
2012-07-24 11:17:23 AM  

Deucednuisance: xl5150: And the fact that so many people (or should I say "sheeple") simply accept everything at face value and fail to ever employ any critical thinking skills whatsoever in their lives is even more sickening than this alleged crime.

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Yes obviously he should accept everything he is told without thinking.
 
2012-07-24 11:17:27 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Begging the question


No, I'm not. I'm just wondering if any of you actually read these things you post out loud to check how silly you sound is all.

Seriously? Giving someone the benefit of the doubt- for which the only possible reward the victim could ever receive is misplaced, undeserved sympathy that she will never even know she received in the first place?

This makes you a sucker, hm?

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: We don't know that she's been beaten, cut-on, and nearly set on fire by assailants.


Alright. I do actually rather love playing Devil's Advocate. Let's give this a whirl, shall we?

Hypothetical: none of the things she claimed actually happened. The whole story is an absolute Fabrication (insert your own unsavory motives here).

My question now is...

What have you, personally, lost by failing to engage in skepticism?
 
2012-07-24 11:18:33 AM  

xl5150: Bendal: The only "evidence" I've seen for your assertion is the claims of bigots who refuse to even imagine someone could have done this to someone else.

As I mentioned, I find the fact that someone accuses me of being "unable to fathom this happening" to be trivializing. I know of the evil that people can do. I have great uncles and great aunts who did not make it out of Auschwitz, and people profess to me that I'm skeptical simply because I can't fathom someone with hate in their heart doing an awful thing to someone who they have put into their evil sights? In this case, you guys are the ones who look foolish, because it becomes obvious how sheltered of a life you have all lead when this is the assumption you automatically make. I know of true suffering, as this is what my people have had to endure. I feel horrible for the girl in this story if what happened to her is accurate. I do have my suspicions and they are based in reality. Saying that I "can't fathom" something like this simply makes you look like a fool who has never been through anything trying in your life.


I'm not going to address the myriad ignorant statements you've made in this thread, but to say that you know true suffering because of something your great aunts and great uncles endured generations before you were born is pretty farking stupid. I'll concede that your great aunts and great uncles knew true suffering. But you, Mr. Beverly Hills? I seriously doubt it.

As for whether or not this was self-inflicted or perpetrated by some Christian nutbars, no one in this thread, yourself or myself included, has enough information to make such assertions. At least, not without looking like idiots. Should LE investigate at the possible scenarios? Certainly. Until more facts come to light, however, I'll withhold judgement.
 
2012-07-24 11:18:35 AM  

Whiskey Dickens: LlamaGirl: Holy dickhead thread batman!

Wanna bet a month of TF that this is self inflicted? Put your money where your muff hole is? We'll have to wait for the follow up, but I like my self-satisfaction served cold.


Wow, you seem like a LOVELY person. Real farkin' lovely. Geezus farking christ.
 
2012-07-24 11:19:11 AM  

professorkowalski: Criminals don't think.


They thought enough to bring zip ties and accelerant.

optimistic_cynic: Fire could have been an after thought.


Yeah, because everyone carries gas in their pocket.

xanadian: Because they WANTED her to DIAF, not just burn up after she was already dead.


Surely then they could carve deeper wounds that would be fatal in and of themselves. They'd be more painful and she would have lived the short amount of time it would have taken to die in the fire. And why not pour gas on the woman herself?

There's too many things wrong with this story.
 
2012-07-24 11:20:39 AM  

LlamaGirl: Whiskey Dickens: LlamaGirl: Holy dickhead thread batman!

Wanna bet a month of TF that this is self inflicted? Put your money where your muff hole is? We'll have to wait for the follow up, but I like my self-satisfaction served cold.

Wow, you seem like a LOVELY person. Real farkin' lovely. Geezus farking christ.


Notice how he apparently disappeared when I called him on his bet?
 
2012-07-24 11:20:52 AM  

MooseUpNorth: Big Ramifications: FTA: The 33-year-old woman said she was attacked early Sunday by three masked men who barged into her house, bound her wrists and ankles with zip ties....

That kind of jumped out at me - it doesn't seem like the normal way of reporting such a crime. That's what she said happened. Article goes no further than that. Cops haven't confirmed it. They aren't saying anything actually.

Oh FFS. If not "said", what word should the journalist have used? Exactly what word would have been "normal" in your mind?

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"Was," dipshiat. She was attacked.

JournalStar.com knows she is bullshiatting too. Cops and the media are both being very coy about a sensational crime? Most unusual.
 
2012-07-24 11:22:10 AM  

SkunkWerks: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Begging the question

No, I'm not. I'm just wondering if any of you actually read these things you post out loud to check how silly you sound is all.

Seriously? Giving someone the benefit of the doubt- for which the only possible reward the victim could ever receive is misplaced, undeserved sympathy that she will never even know she received in the first place?

This makes you a sucker, hm?

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: We don't know that she's been beaten, cut-on, and nearly set on fire by assailants.

Alright. I do actually rather love playing Devil's Advocate. Let's give this a whirl, shall we?

Hypothetical: none of the things she claimed actually happened. The whole story is an absolute Fabrication (insert your own unsavory motives here).

My question now is...

What have you, personally, lost by failing to engage in skepticism?


I'd lose the ability to think critically and question spurious claims. I value those qualities very, very much.
 
2012-07-24 11:22:33 AM  

Theaetetus: RatOmeter: Like others here, I find the failure to start a raging and destructive fire with gasoline to be puzzling. It's not that hard to do if you want it done.

How many raging destructive fires have you set?

/"I, uh, saw them in the movies."


Since you appear to be interested in experience based testimony (or perhaps are questioning the credibility of the "expert witness"), the answer is two (2). A dangerously decrepit barn and a smaller outbuilding. If it weren't for the current drought and fire ban in these parts, I'd probably have 3 under my belt (farmhouse) by now. Numerous controlled brush burns too, but I consider that to be wholly constructive. Sad to have to put a 130 year old barn out of its misery.

Based on TFA, I'm leaning about 65% on the side for phoney. For the victim's sake, I hope it is phoney because then she'll not have been tortured and she'll (hopefully) get some needed help. If it *is* real... damn.
 
2012-07-24 11:22:54 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: They thought enough to bring zip ties and accelerant.


Even in a planned attack, the criminal is thinking of causing the most pain for the victim, both through the words carved, and the burning of the house and body.

I'm gonna guess the people, if this is an actual hate crime, the people who committed the crime didn't think "Hey, we're gonna try and burn her. Might at well not carve the body up."


It's about causing as much pain as possible, for some people. Not just the end result.
 
2012-07-24 11:22:54 AM  

Theaetetus: Whiskey Dickens: LlamaGirl: Holy dickhead thread batman!

Wanna bet a month of TF that this is self inflicted? Put your money where your muff hole is? We'll have to wait for the follow up, but I like my self-satisfaction served cold.

I'll take that bet. She confesses or is found guilty, then month of TF for you. Otherwise, month of TF for me. How long do you want the timer to run?


Thank you for agreeing!
How about a month? End date approximately August 24th?
If there's no resolution either way, we'll just shake hands and part ways.
If you agree, I'll leave myself a calendar reminder to review the situation towards the end of August, and get in contact with you via email.
 
2012-07-24 11:23:03 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: They thought enough to bring zip ties and accelerant.


How do you know they brought both of those things?

The zip ties, sure. But, as you say...not everyone carries gas in their pocket. 10 seconds in a kitchen or garage would've found what they needed.
 
2012-07-24 11:23:19 AM  

MooseUpNorth: BraveNewCheneyWorld: So I guess nobody is going to address why the attackers would carve messages on a victim, or avoid killing the victim if they expected her to die in a fire a few minutes later... Seems beyond suspicious to me.

Except for the four people, myself included, who did.


Oh, I'm sorry, maybe I should clarify. Maybe a reason that represents premeditated criminal behavior in reality, without resorting to "because of teh stupid"
 
2012-07-24 11:23:42 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld:
optimistic_cynic: Fire could have been an after thought.

Yeah, because everyone carries gas in their pocket.


Yeah the potential for there to gas or other flammable liquids sitting around someones house is unfathomable.
 
2012-07-24 11:24:10 AM  
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/aisle seat
//no smoking
 
2012-07-24 11:25:00 AM  

bulldg4life: BraveNewCheneyWorld: They thought enough to bring zip ties and accelerant.

How do you know they brought both of those things?

The zip ties, sure. But, as you say...not everyone carries gas in their pocket. 10 seconds in a kitchen or garage would've found what they needed.


You want to cover up a crime scene and you're thinking you'll leave the materials to do so to chance?
 
2012-07-24 11:26:07 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: bulldg4life: BraveNewCheneyWorld: They thought enough to bring zip ties and accelerant.

How do you know they brought both of those things?

The zip ties, sure. But, as you say...not everyone carries gas in their pocket. 10 seconds in a kitchen or garage would've found what they needed.

You want to cover up a crime scene and you're thinking you'll leave the materials to do so to chance?


Not if it was an after thought.
 
2012-07-24 11:27:07 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: gulogulo: Theaetetus: Respectfully, you may have misread... I've seen multiple stories describing her as crawling and still bound, as well as this line in the article:

No, I'm fairly sure I read that she ran..her feet were not tied, just her hands. I remember thinking "It was a good thing she had something sharp nearby to cut the ties around her feet so she could get out of the house before it burned." I know it wasn't the passage you're speaking about. I'll see if I can find it.

The Omaha.com article has a quote best friend Erin Thompson; "I'm so proud of her, I'm so proud my best friend could walk out the door."

Another article says she crawled, naked and bound, so who knows.


And yet anther said she was found in the middle of the street after a neighbor seen her and called police.
 
2012-07-24 11:27:25 AM  

Big Ramifications: "Was," dipshiat. She was attacked.

JournalStar.com knows she is bullshiatting too.


From another article:
"A 33-year-old man has been arrested on accusations that he fatally shot a southeast Omaha man and his two sons, police said Monday... Police have said someone broke into the Avaloses' home and opened fire. Other family members in the home escaped injury."

I guess JournalStar.com knows the police are bullshiatting. Otherwise they would have said just "Someone broke into the Avaloses' home and opened fire."

Or how about this JournalStar.com article:
The University of Nebraska at Omaha is planning to offer a new degree in emergency management, starting this fall.

University officials said the new bachelor's degree was approved this week.


I guess they think the officials are bullshiatting too.

Or how about this JournalStar.com article about the wildfires:
Jodie Fawl of the Nebraska Emergency Management Agency said the three Nebraska National Guard helicopters dropped nearly 16,000 gallons of water Sunday.

Clearly, they think she's bullshiatting. Otherwise they would have just said "Three helicopters dropped nearly 16,000 gallons of water Sunday."

Good think they've got so many skeptics like yourself on staff at JournalStar.com. Otherwise, we might have thought they were reporting what people had told the reporter, rather than incisively routing out bullshiat.
 
2012-07-24 11:27:57 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Maybe a reason that represents premeditated criminal behavior in reality


You're assuming premeditation. Other than grabbing spray-paint, zip cords, and balacavas (or whatever those things are called), there's no reason to assume they weren't mostly making it up as they went along. Stop looking for reason in an inherently irrational series of acts.
 
2012-07-24 11:28:15 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: You want to cover up a crime scene and you're thinking you'll leave the materials to do so to chance?


If they only had the idea of causing the "victim" pain, through the words and carving of the body, the possible line of thought was "We've already done enough damage. Let's cover up our crime scene."

Gas and matches are in almost every house. Everywhere.
 
2012-07-24 11:30:07 AM  

Whiskey Dickens: Theaetetus: Whiskey Dickens: LlamaGirl: Holy dickhead thread batman!

Wanna bet a month of TF that this is self inflicted? Put your money where your muff hole is? We'll have to wait for the follow up, but I like my self-satisfaction served cold.

I'll take that bet. She confesses or is found guilty, then month of TF for you. Otherwise, month of TF for me. How long do you want the timer to run?

Thank you for agreeing!
How about a month? End date approximately August 24th?
If there's no resolution either way, we'll just shake hands and part ways.
If you agree, I'll leave myself a calendar reminder to review the situation towards the end of August, and get in contact with you via email.


I'm not sure how that could happen. Either she confesses or is found guilty, or she does not confess and is not found guilty.

Make it August 23, though, or Sept 3... I'm out of town for a week between those.
 
2012-07-24 11:30:56 AM  

RatOmeter: Since you appear to be interested in experience based testimony (or perhaps are questioning the credibility of the "expert witness"), the answer is two (2). A dangerously decrepit barn and a smaller outbuilding. If it weren't for the current drought and fire ban in these parts, I'd probably have 3 under my belt (farmhouse) by now. Numerous controlled brush burns too, but I consider that to be wholly constructive. Sad to have to put a 130 year old barn out of its misery


YOU BURN THOSE???

Hipsters, yuppies and bars are paying great money for the wood out of those buildings. Rent a heavy duty bulldozer, or back hoe and some chain and knock the farking things down and salvage the wood.
 
2012-07-24 11:31:22 AM  

LlamaGirl: Whiskey Dickens: LlamaGirl: Holy dickhead thread batman!

Wanna bet a month of TF that this is self inflicted? Put your money where your muff hole is? We'll have to wait for the follow up, but I like my self-satisfaction served cold.

Wow, you seem like a LOVELY person. Real farkin' lovely. Geezus farking christ.


Hey, easy there. Just because you been goofed by a hoax that would make a child sceptical, doesn't mean you have to insult me.
 
2012-07-24 11:31:36 AM  

This text is now purple: You threw out sapience, of which we have one example. That example kills for novelty. So 100% of sapient species are casual murders, but that's tautological.


If you're going to put words in my mouth, please make them tasty. This attempt is rather bland and uninteresting.

This text is now purple: We haven't stated which in the list are sentient


I have. If you missed it, kindly go back to the second post I made and re-read that. If you really need me to do this for you, I'll do it, but there better be cookies involved.

This text is now purple: You seem hung up on novelty


Casual murder pretty much requires it. Choice, too, for that matter. You have to make a deliberate decision, again, "just because". If your tiny, hard-wired brain made the choice for you, it's no more ethically valued than a computer which carries out a program. Moreover, there's a clear reason you did what you did, and it very much isn't "because it seemed like a good idea at the time".

This text is now purple: but refuse to specify which organisms are capable of novelty.


You owe me cookies now.

SkunkWerks: Dolphins, Chimpanzees (a handful perhaps of lower-order primates- most of whom incidentally share the vast majority of our genome), Elephants... I think?


Bonus cookies:

SkunkWerks: If the Science behind it interests you at all, most of these have some significant capacity for long-term memory.


Next time, please read what you're responding to more carefully. Between missing these key statements in earlier posts and trying to infer I am saying things I haven't, it's almost as if you don't seem to be actually reading anything you're arguing over- thus troubling me to repeat myself and do the work for you.

It kinda makes me feel I owe you one of these:

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So yeah, that direction: let's not go in it, okay?

This text is now purple: Certainly, many intelligent animals seem to have a strong "asshole" streak in them.


Sounds eminently scientific. However I am forced to agree. Well-played.
 
2012-07-24 11:32:16 AM  
Something the white knight's don't get, or choose not to get:

I want this story to be true. I really hope she didn't make it up.
Homophobia and violence against homosexuals IS a big problem in this country.
If this turns out to be a big hoax, it just gives ammunition to the other side, the regressive/hateful elements of our society who actively dehumanize gay American out of bigotry and/or political expediency.

Maybe there really are 3 ski-masked, spray paint penmanship winning, 200$ damage inducing, gasoline hate arsonists on the loose, but I really, really doubt it...

Like I said, I want it to be true, but if I had to put money on true vs bullshiat, you better believe my chip would be on bullshiat. It just reads like the left-wing version of one those bullshiat right-wing stories about a 7 year old clay pigeon champion shooting two illegal immigrants in the balls and they try to invade the family's home.
 
2012-07-24 11:32:53 AM  

optimistic_cynic: BraveNewCheneyWorld:
optimistic_cynic: Fire could have been an after thought.

Yeah, because everyone carries gas in their pocket.


Yeah the potential for there to gas or other flammable liquids sitting around someones house is unfathomable.


You're acting like these people were cautious and careful enough to have the forethought to wear masks to hide their identity from a girl they expected to burn alive in case she escaped, wouldn't think to bring gasoline because they'd leave that part to chance? Or they didn't realize that burning their victim would destroy their carved messages? It's like you're going back and forth between these people being retarded, and magically prescient. Make up your mind.
 
2012-07-24 11:33:24 AM  

Whiskey Dickens: LlamaGirl: Whiskey Dickens: LlamaGirl: Holy dickhead thread batman!

Wanna bet a month of TF that this is self inflicted? Put your money where your muff hole is? We'll have to wait for the follow up, but I like my self-satisfaction served cold.

Wow, you seem like a LOVELY person. Real farkin' lovely. Geezus farking christ.

Hey, easy there. Just because you been goofed by a hoax that would make a child sceptical, doesn't mean you have to insult me.


The only thing easy around here is your mom.
 
2012-07-24 11:33:56 AM  

optimistic_cynic: I'm just glad fark has so many real investigators to tell us that this was faked. Where can I get my internet detective kit?


Same place dozens of folks did in response to the Nifong farce -- in your brain. In fact, I firmly think that had the Interwebs been more developed in 1996, Jon Benet's murder would've been solved as the "intruder" theory would've very quickly been nuked from space, forcing locals to look elsewhere.

Having honest, questioning eyes on information matters. Always has.
 
2012-07-24 11:34:42 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: optimistic_cynic: BraveNewCheneyWorld:
optimistic_cynic: Fire could have been an after thought.

Yeah, because everyone carries gas in their pocket.


Yeah the potential for there to gas or other flammable liquids sitting around someones house is unfathomable.

You're acting like these people were cautious and careful enough to have the forethought to wear masks to hide their identity from a girl they expected to burn alive in case she escaped, wouldn't think to bring gasoline because they'd leave that part to chance? Or they didn't realize that burning their victim would destroy their carved messages? It's like you're going back and forth between these people being retarded, and magically prescient. Make up your mind.


Not if was an after thought.
 
2012-07-24 11:34:48 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I'd lose the ability to think critically and question spurious claims.


Really?

So making one bad call (reason irrelevant, but I've suggested 'for sympathy's sake') automatically precludes you from making any future "good" calls at any time in the future, Is that really what we're standing on here?
 
2012-07-24 11:35:19 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: a girl they expected to burn alive in case she escaped


You're still assuming premeditation. Stop looking for reason in an inherently irrational series of acts.
 
2012-07-24 11:36:04 AM  
namatad: wait
but doesnt our constitution protect us from religion?


Thallone1: Common misconceptiobn, but no. The Constitution protects us from the government declaring a national religion. It's been re-interpreted and misinterpreted since to mean what you say, but that would be wrong.


So your understanding of the US Constitution is the correct one, and the Supreme Court's understanding is a misinterpretation. Got it,
 
2012-07-24 11:36:47 AM  
FTA: "Police said Monday they still were investigating the case but declined to release details of what they think happened. If police zero in on suspects, investigators want details about the crime to come from their memory, not from what they've read or seen in the media, Flood said.

"We don't want to provide too many details," she added.


It reads like code for "we're going to let this person stew in her claims before we start a witch hunt for 3 people over these suspicious circumstances".

The pouring gas and not igniting more than $200 in damage is just way too odd considering my history with being a pyro type. 1 cup of gas on concrete + one match produces chest high flames lasting 30-45 seconds. Unless this lady lived in a tiled floor home with cement walls etc... $200 in damage is remarkable.

Heck a gas soaked tennis ball allows for nearly 2 minutes of midnight flaming orb tennis. Use thrift store/garage sale bought rackets and wear long sleeves.
 
2012-07-24 11:37:08 AM  

Theaetetus: Whiskey Dickens: Theaetetus: Whiskey Dickens: LlamaGirl: Holy dickhead thread batman!

Wanna bet a month of TF that this is self inflicted? Put your money where your muff hole is? We'll have to wait for the follow up, but I like my self-satisfaction served cold.

I'll take that bet. She confesses or is found guilty, then month of TF for you. Otherwise, month of TF for me. How long do you want the timer to run?

Thank you for agreeing!
How about a month? End date approximately August 24th?
If there's no resolution either way, we'll just shake hands and part ways.
If you agree, I'll leave myself a calendar reminder to review the situation towards the end of August, and get in contact with you via email.

I'm not sure how that could happen. Either she confesses or is found guilty, or she does not confess and is not found guilty.

Make it August 23, though, or Sept 3... I'm out of town for a week between those.


September 3rd it is.
Well, seeing as she hasn't been charged with anything as she's the alleged victim, I don't think making her plea is going to be a good way to decide.
I'm picturing that the way this could end in a tie is if there's:
1) No follow up article
2) No new information, suspects, or charges.

No biggie, I think we're on basically the same page.
 
2012-07-24 11:37:39 AM  

optimistic_cynic: Not if was an after thought.


MooseUpNorth: You're still assuming premeditation. Stop looking for reason in an inherently irrational series of acts.


"It has to be true, because sometimes people don't make sense, even though it's 3 people together and not one of them was thinking rationally" isn't a good defense.
 
2012-07-24 11:38:12 AM  

Whiskey Dickens: I'm picturing that the way this could end in a tie is if there's:
1) No follow up article
2) No new information, suspects, or charges.

No biggie, I think we're on basically the same page.


Oh, not at all. If there's no follow up, new information, suspects, or charges, then there's no evidence whatsoever that it's self inflicted, so you lose.
 
2012-07-24 11:38:37 AM  

the_freelance: In fact, I firmly think that had the Interwebs been more developed in 1996, Jon Benet's murder would've been solved as the "intruder" theory would've very quickly been nuked from space, forcing locals to look elsewhere.

Having honest, questioning eyes on information matters. Always has.


They were claiming the intruder was BS without the internet. Questioning eyes are good I guess, look how they solved the JFK mystery.
 
2012-07-24 11:39:02 AM  

optimistic_cynic: Whiskey Dickens: LlamaGirl: Whiskey Dickens: LlamaGirl: Holy dickhead thread batman!

Wanna bet a month of TF that this is self inflicted? Put your money where your muff hole is? We'll have to wait for the follow up, but I like my self-satisfaction served cold.

Wow, you seem like a LOVELY person. Real farkin' lovely. Geezus farking christ.

Hey, easy there. Just because you been goofed by a hoax that would make a child sceptical, doesn't mean you have to insult me.

The only thing easy around here is your mom.


I heart you!
*MWAH*
 
2012-07-24 11:40:15 AM  

optimistic_cynic: They were claiming the intruder was BS without the internet. Questioning eyes are good I guess, look how they solved the JFK mystery.


They just found Amelia Earhart's plan too.
 
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