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(Lincoln Journal Star)   Farkette's friend was attacked in her home. She was tied up, had anti-gay slurs cut into her skin, and had her home set on fire   (journalstar.com ) divider line 1301
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2012-07-24 10:07:30 AM  

Lsherm: This woman was naked and bound and screaming.


You make that sound like a bad thing.
 
2012-07-24 10:07:34 AM  

JohnnyC: scout48: Ok, so I am a christian. I believe being gay is a sin.

Every single person I have ever met that hated homosexuals has been Christian without exception. Now, I won't go so far as to say that if you hate homosexuals, you must be Christian, but they're the ones who spread that hatred as far and wide as they can. Where else do we have to point to as to where the hatred for homosexuals comes from in America?


Every single person I've ever met in my 20's that hated black people was a Mexican, sure I was living in Mexico at the time but what does that have to do with anything? DURP!

The U.S. is made up of mostly people who claim to be Christians of some form.
 
2012-07-24 10:09:29 AM  

SkunkWerks: Time to familiarize yourself with the species, then. We're among the few on this sphere that kill one another "just because".


That's not even close to true.
 
2012-07-24 10:09:43 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: xanadian: Because People in power are Stupid: KimNorth: Because People in power are Stupid: Tea Party happened.

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Because People in power are Stupid: Tea Party happened.

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Troll

Tard

Turd.

/this flamewar brought to you today by the letter "T".
//"T" is for "trololol," that's good enough for me...
///hey... I just noticed. "Tard" and "Turd" differ by only one letter...cool!

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Oh, you know me too well, sir.

Touche.
 
2012-07-24 10:09:58 AM  

clyph: Because Jesus.

It makes sense to them. That's all that matters.


No, it really doesn't.
 
2012-07-24 10:12:03 AM  

This text is now purple: Lsherm: This woman was naked and bound and screaming.


I myself have personally removed my own clothing with no help from anyone else.

I myself have personally used zip-ties with no help from anyone else.

I myself have personally screamed, only helped a little bit by a bee.
 
2012-07-24 10:13:13 AM  

dfenstrate: gulogulo: dfenstrate: Subby's incident is bullsh*t, just like the vast majority of 'hate crimes' reported.

You've got numbers to back that up, or just a bigoted website you chose to create your narrative?

I already posted a link. Your move.


Yes, to a clearly bigoted website. Your claim, your burden of proof. Not mine.
 
2012-07-24 10:13:32 AM  

Oblio13: I myself have personally used zip-ties with no help from anyone else.


Have you personally bound your wrists and ankles with said zip-ties? No? Then what's your point, other than to make sure everyone knows you're a giant douche?
 
2012-07-24 10:16:20 AM  

Theaetetus: Oblio13: I myself have personally used zip-ties with no help from anyone else.

Have you personally bound your wrists and ankles with said zip-ties? No? Then what's your point, other than to make sure everyone knows you're a giant douche?


It's not difficult to ziptie your wrist and ankles, even if your wrists are behind your back. It doesn't prove anything either way, but its very easy to do to yourself.
 
2012-07-24 10:16:27 AM  
Funny how this incident also happened two months after Lincoln passed a city measure protecting gay and transgendered residents from discrimination in housing.
 
2012-07-24 10:16:51 AM  
Maybe it's because I live on the West Coast, but something about this story doesn't add up. I'm going to have to call Bullshiat too.

It doesn't sound like something hateful people do. It sounds like something people with a persecution complex think hateful people do.
 
2012-07-24 10:16:56 AM  

Oznog: toddalmighty: PhiloeBedoe: Red Shirt Blues: I hate to be that guy but.......this could be self inflicted. Kind of like that woman who threw acid in her own face. I was looking at pics of the messages left on her walls. Pretty good printing for spray paint. I mean if you're an attacker all stoked up smashing doors in committing violence and arson.......
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In one way I hope I am wrong, that nobody could contrive this, OTOH I hope I am right that nobody would be sick enough to storm somebody's house and mutilate her because she's gay.

Put me down for a big ol' THIS.

I'm with you guys.

No kidding. Self-inflicted hoax all the way. No assailants get together to carve "anti-gay slurs" in a stranger, gay or not. It's something a closet crazy person THINKS others would do, it's a bizarre fantasy.

And it just keeps going- started a fire which conveniently didn't burn the place down. Come on. Who throws gasoline around and DOESN'T make a real fire?? You gotta pay close attention to just how you spill it to NOT burn the place down. Mysterious strangers who spill only a small, controlled amount of gasoline and light it and walk away? Naaaaw.

I'm not saying people aren't capable of doing horrible things. And there are people who thing gays should DIAF and aren't beyond doing horrible things under the wrong circumstances. But this ain't that. This is a delusional fantasy.


Hate to wreck your fantasy, but is this not the same state that the Teena Brandon story took place? She was murdered because she was gay and chose to live her life as a man. Also two of her friends were murdered at the same time.

Also, the guys that killed her had raped her about a week before. She reported it and got nowhere with the bigot sheriff and his crew.
 
2012-07-24 10:17:14 AM  

Theaetetus: FilmBELOH20: I don't want to be one of "those guys" either, but if they tied her up with zip ties, how did she get out of them?

By "those guys", you mean an "illiterate person"? From the article:
The victim's friend said the woman crawled from her house, naked and bleeding and screaming for help, before reaching the doorstep of a neighbor's home.

It's probably safe to assume the neighbor cut them off.


OK, allow me to elaborate. When one is typically tied up, one's hands are usually bound behind one's back. As the article mentioned neither that her hands were bound behind her back or in front, or that her bindings were intact or she was already free from them, I assumed, based on the probability that (a) her hands were bound behind her and that (b) she crawled, that she had been free of the zip ties when she made it to the neighbor's house. (It's sort of hard to crawl if your hands are bound behind your back.) Had her hands been bound in front of her, I doubt that any human is going to allow an assailant to carve words in to her body. She'd be fighting and kicking and waving her arms like crazy, and that wouldn't allow for very good penmanship, now would it? I suppose it could be that they bound her hands in front and then held her down as one or the other did the carving, but it just seems so implausible that they would do that.
 
2012-07-24 10:17:22 AM  

namegoeshere: Is there any reason besides religion to oppose same sex relationships?


I think some people just have a huge hangup about gay people, in particular being mistaken for gay, or hit on by gay people. I've met plenty of people who switch from regular dudes to violent psychopaths at the slightest hint of gayness invading their non-gayness.

However, that doesn't make sense here, where a bunch of men attacked a lesbian. You can't chalk this up to a personal phobia of being gay-touched by a gay man; this crime was obviously driven by a bigger ideological hatred of homosexuality.

The attackers could also have been such as neo nazis, who are virulently anti-gay for non-religious reasons.

However, religion is the short-odds bet. I know that people are going to whine about bashing "theists" and whatnot, but religious fundamentalism is the primary source of anti-gay rhetoric.
 
2012-07-24 10:17:51 AM  

Boatmech: Had about 3 gallons of gas in a dingy fuel tank ignite and burn down to the base years ago.



Sure you can burn things all day long, in a container. I doubt they poured the gasoline into a vase or dish.

And if you don't use a trivet you get a burn mark. And the smoke damage, of course.
 
2012-07-24 10:18:49 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Theaetetus: Oblio13: I myself have personally used zip-ties with no help from anyone else.

Have you personally bound your wrists and ankles with said zip-ties? No? Then what's your point, other than to make sure everyone knows you're a giant douche?

It's not difficult to ziptie your wrist and ankles, even if your wrists are behind your back. It doesn't prove anything either way, but its very easy to do to yourself.


Not saying it was difficult. He was stating that he had personally done these things... except he curiously changed "tied myself up" to "used". Regardless of how difficult it is, he's never actually done it, so his post is just there to show he's a massive douche.
 
2012-07-24 10:18:52 AM  
Ya' know, I wish I had serious money... I'd love to start a rescue org whose primary mission was matching hard-to-adopt large-breed dogs with new LGBT owners.... It'd be a multi-win problem solver....

/ no matter what actually happened, this is a horrible situation and I hope the poor victim gets all the help she needs
 
2012-07-24 10:19:35 AM  

fuhfuhfuh: Boatmech: Rich Cream: The article does read like it is a hoax. Does that mean it is? Not particularly. Could just be written that way.

/Just how little the amount of gasoline could you pour out of a container inside of a residence, ignite it, and then have no real damage? A glassful?

Had about 3 gallons of gas in a dingy fuel tank ignite and burn down to the base years ago. The tank was in the living room - total damage was 6 floor tiles that had to be replaced and the ceiling and part of one wall repainted.
/ i really do live in a concrete bunked so YMMV

The movie version of this kind of thing would have had the tank exploding, tossing lit fuel to every corner of the room. Isn't it great that real life does not work like a movie?


Yeah, not sure if the story is a hoax or not but the fire damage isn't proof either way.
CSB, tossing one of these -
www.hovercraft.com

on to burning fire WILL result in a movie type OH shiat!! explosion.
 
2012-07-24 10:19:38 AM  

THX 1138: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." (Leviticus 20:13 KJV)

The victim in this story was female. The Bible doesn't say anything about women who lieth with women. Any Christians want to educate me on where the infallible, unerring word of the Bible says anything about women?


Well, to be fair, back when the bible was written, women were considered property, not people.
 
2012-07-24 10:19:38 AM  

KimNorth: The U.S. is made up of mostly people who claim to be Christians of some form.


So? Do you deny that the primary source of discrimination against homosexuals in America stems from Christianity?
 
2012-07-24 10:19:46 AM  

AnubisMan: Worldwalker: It's possible that the arsonist wanted to burn the house down but was incompetent. It's also possible that the arsonist didn't want to burn the house down.

Erin Thompson, a close friend, described what she was told happened next. "They put gasoline on the floor and they lit the match. I think the intent was to burn her," she said.


What a friend who wasn't present thinks a criminal's intent was doesn't have much bearing on the subject. Again, if the arsonist didn't want to burn down the house, but just wanted to scare her, he would have done the same thing.

Such people could include someone who:
- didn't want to face the legal penalties for murder
- was morally opposed to murder
- had an interest in the house (relative? landlord, if a rental?)
- thought her sexuality was worth hurting/scaring her for, but not killing her

Or, of course, it could just be an incompetent arsonist, who thinks that fires work in real life like they do in the movies. I'm guessing "didn't really want to burn the place down" but, after what I've seen people do when trying to build fires under non-stressful conditions (well, other than that it was a test) I'm not going to presume any degree of competence on the part of the guy with the match.
 
2012-07-24 10:19:47 AM  

Oblio13: This text is now purple: Lsherm: This woman was naked and bound and screaming.

I myself have personally removed my own clothing with no help from anyone else.

I myself have personally used zip-ties with no help from anyone else.

I myself have personally screamed, only helped a little bit by a bee.


You didn't do that yourself - someone else helped you.
 
2012-07-24 10:20:11 AM  

the_freelance: This is why I keep saying the specifics of the 911 call/the neighbor notification are so important. LPD should be asking neighbors (particularly the neighbor the victim ran to) if the victim had recently made any comments to them about being afraid or threatened, both to find leads for actual perps and explore if a predicate was being laid for staging an event.


My assumption is that however the crime turns out, hate crime or false reporting, their primary responsibility is getting the woman stabilized. That seems to be what the PD is doing. Here is a somewhat similar incident, spray paint and hateful words. Link How will it turn out?
 
2012-07-24 10:20:38 AM  

FilmBELOH20: Theaetetus: FilmBELOH20: I don't want to be one of "those guys" either, but if they tied her up with zip ties, how did she get out of them?

By "those guys", you mean an "illiterate person"? From the article:
The victim's friend said the woman crawled from her house, naked and bleeding and screaming for help, before reaching the doorstep of a neighbor's home.

It's probably safe to assume the neighbor cut them off.

OK, allow me to elaborate. Blahblahblah


That's a really long way to say "I never read the article, which does say she was still bound, so all of my suppositions are irrelevant."
 
2012-07-24 10:20:40 AM  

Theaetetus: Oblio13: I myself have personally used zip-ties with no help from anyone else.

Have you personally bound your wrists and ankles with said zip-ties? No? Then what's your point, other than to make sure everyone knows you're a giant douche?


I have...good times
 
2012-07-24 10:20:47 AM  
These sick bastards need to get knee-capped.
 
2012-07-24 10:22:18 AM  

This text is now purple: SkunkWerks: Time to familiarize yourself with the species, then. We're among the few on this sphere that kill one another "just because".

That's not even close to true.


This must be a definition of the word "close" I'm unfamiliar with.

Dolphins, Chimpanzees (a handful perhaps of lower-order primates- most of whom incidentally share the vast majority of our genome), Elephants... I think?

Now I admit you may be a little confused here. There are certainly other species that kill one another, but in the majority of those cases it can be put down to instinct, and even in many, as some form of survival strategy. Male lions kill cubs from other competing males, female spiders often devour their mates to nourish their yet-unborn, and so on.

But killing (or injuring) peers for the sheer novelty of it? That requires some degree of sapience.

So yes, it's pretty close to true. So close I'd pretty much call it "true".
 
2012-07-24 10:24:30 AM  

Magnanimous_J: Maybe it's because I live on the West Coast, but something about this story doesn't add up. I'm going to have to call Bullshiat too.

It doesn't sound like something hateful people do. It sounds like something people with a persecution complex think hateful people do.


Well one thing is for sure it is not teens as the writing was very nice and Dyke was spelled right so an adult with an education?
 
2012-07-24 10:24:36 AM  

Magnanimous_J: Maybe it's because I live on the West Coast, but something about this story doesn't add up. I'm going to have to call Bullshiat too.

It doesn't sound like something hateful people do. It sounds like something people with a persecution complex think hateful people do.


Second this. The supposed "hate crime perps" will never be caught, because this is self inflicted.
 
2012-07-24 10:24:44 AM  

Launch Code: This is a good bandwagon for our 1st gay president to jump on, he can use it to avoid discussing his economic failures.


Second. Buchanan was the first.

Granted, he led us into a civil war.
 
2012-07-24 10:24:45 AM  
So going from more sources than just this article:

1. The city recently passed anti-discrimination rules for housing, a victory for the LGBT community.
2. The woman was openly gay.
3. The woman was working with children.
4. The woman (according to her neighbor) appeared to have been tortured, meaning the perps would have had a good amount of time in the home.
5. There were reports from another neighbor of what sounded like fighting prior to her showing up naked on the doorstep of another neighbor.

Yeah, totally points to self-inflicted. Especially since nothing recently happened that would cause the anti-gay community to be angry.
 
2012-07-24 10:25:34 AM  

peasandcarrots: Would you be willing, all of you, to come humbly back to this thread, or to some future thread, and admit that you were wrong ... ?


Sure, I will.

There are people in here desperately struggling to second-guess crazy. There are people who insist that they're certain that this is some kind of scam, because sometimes it is. I need to know what's wrong with giving this story the benefit of the doubt until more information rolls in.

Oh, I'm giving it the benefit of doubt. Currently the incident looks a bit phoney to me, but it could be legit as described. Farked up either way, though.
 
2012-07-24 10:25:47 AM  
I don't know if this story is true or not. But I, too, am skeptical. Certainly things like this happen. First a horrific, heart-wrenching story. Then a call for donations because the woman doesn't have health insurance. This is becoming rather common on the net lately. I suspect that many of these cases are scams. In this case, the victim is a friend of a "farkette" who has been around awhile, so the scam probability (unless she's being scammed) is lower. Anyway there's no way for me to know the truth. But I'm certainly not getting up off the wallet for story on the intertubes.
 
2012-07-24 10:27:06 AM  

Lernaeus: Sorry about your friend, Farkette - really, I am - but ALL CRIME IS "HATE" CRIME.

It's a dangerous road you're on that calls for the enhancement of penalties for some crimes because their motivations aren't politically correct.

I hate a gay basher as much as any bully, but punishing motivations is establishing thought crime and censorship.


That's ridiculous. Much if not most violent crime is perpetrated by partners or family members of the victims. Crimes of passion, AKA love.
 
2012-07-24 10:27:48 AM  

FilmBELOH20: I doubt that any human is going to allow an assailant to carve words in to her body. She'd be fighting and kicking and waving her arms like crazy, and that wouldn't allow for very good penmanship, now would it?


They also probably wouldn't carve anything, if they expected her body to be a charred cinder.

Oh shiat, that's a good point, better flood the forum to bury this post, multiple persona users...
 
2012-07-24 10:28:56 AM  

Joce678: Ambivalence:
That's not really for you to say. I understand not wanting to be associated with this kind of filth, but if they say they're christian, then they are christian. They may be really bad at BEING Christian, but it's not like there's an authoritity with the power to kick out bad examples from the entire suite of Christian religions.

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." (Leviticus 20:13 KJV)

I'd say they were just following The Bible.

Before you go all "New Testament" on me, remember the words of Jesus:

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:17)


You clearly dont know what you are talking about.

1) Something something out of context
2) Dhur allegory dhur
3) My god something something
4) No true christian derp burp

Very few want everything from the cafeteria
 
2012-07-24 10:29:49 AM  

fuhfuhfuh: The movie version of this kind of thing would have had the tank exploding, tossing lit fuel to every corner of the room. Isn't it great that real life does not work like a movie?


[hijack]

My favorite is Cliffhanger where they spend the last 20mins worrying about the helicopter running out of fuel and then when it crashes it explodes into a gigantic fireball.

/because of the cargo I guess.

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2012-07-24 10:30:09 AM  

matthew_m_g: KiwDaWabbit: Just like with the Aurora shooting, I think this is a mental illness issue. No one who is sane would do this to another person. The hatred part of the equation is more boogeyman than anything to me, with regard to holding a certain group of people responsible for all of your problems or pointing the finger of blame at them for all that is wrong in the world.

As a country, we need to face down mental illness and take it about a million times more seriously than we do now. I believe in liberty, but part of that equation is being free from being a target of mentally ill people to the highest degree possible.

I hope the victim makes a full physical, mental, and emotional recovery. It's nice to see the outpouring of support from Lincoln, Omaha, and across the nation.

Agreed. Lincoln was a very gay-friendly town in the 90s. The University of Nebraska helped foster a lot of that work, if memory serves, and the city is still pretty gay friendly (again, save for an ignorant vocal minority) from all accounts.

Sad to see this happen, and I second what KDW said--it's great to see a lot of support from Nebraska folks in this thread, especially those in Lincoln and Omaha.

And just remember, folks, before we start painting with stereotypes, Nebraska was the last state to oppose No Child Left Behind, gave Obama some electoral college votes, and until the 'baggers spewed their derp all over, was a last bastion for reasonable moderate politics...

...I mean, where else would you see a state send Conservative Democrats and Liberal Republicans to congress...well, again, before the 'baggers derped all over.



I'm a queer living in Lincoln. Nebraska. It's still not too bad a place. We have a lot of openly gay folks, a couple of gay bars. It's a smaller city and I just went to our first furry get together. There's a vigil against hate planned for Thursday, in Omaha. I'll probably be attending.

I don't think people will judge all of Colorado for one incident, please don't think all of Nebraska is bad.
 
2012-07-24 10:31:34 AM  
Id like to point out that if they left her tied up in her house with it on fire, that would imply they intended to kill her. If they were going to BBQ her, why carve the slurs?

Sounds fishy.
 
2012-07-24 10:31:34 AM  

clyph: I'm just going to leave this here...

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Not sure if that would have helped her considering the way the attack went down, considering it was at home, it could have been the weapon used to kill her
 
2012-07-24 10:31:58 AM  

Hunter_S_Thompson: LiberalEastCoastElitist: AbbeySomeone: It's times like this when I realize that a West Coast perspective isn't the norm. Damn, that's too bad. I can't stand to spend time around these inbred, ignorant people that think behavior like this is OK. They terrify me and I'm a straight white woman.

They used to do this crap to fornicators and adulterers (still do in a few choice countries). They pick the most polarizing and/or vulnerable outlying group du jour and attempt to force them to conform, then move on to the next group. Nothing will ever be enough for them, even if we get to the point where conformation police roam the streets with rods whipping people wearing nail polish.

Pretty much came to laugh at this. I'm not even getting involved in the "is it self-inflicted?" debate. I'll leave that up to the professionals. As everyone should do instead of pontificating on the religious affiliation of the suspect, at least until a suspect is apprehended. If this was in a Muslim country, you'd all be screaming about how it was a fringe group and this isn't what real Islamicism is, so why do we immediately jump to blame Christianity? Because that's what we've been programmed to do? I'm an atheist, and even I can't stand the FarkLib Christian hate. It's as bad as what the "Christians"(tm) do to us, and it's counterproductive.


That's really great, Jimmy. Only problem is I went out of my way to avoid narrowing myself down to religious forms of bigotry. For example, "conformation police" instead of "religious police". It's not my fault most of the juicy examples are religious related.

I laugh at your lack of reading comprehension and knee jerk butthurt.


First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
 
2012-07-24 10:32:07 AM  

JohnnyC: KimNorth: The U.S. is made up of mostly people who claim to be Christians of some form.

So? Do you deny that the primary source of discrimination against homosexuals in America stems from Christianity?


Yes I sure do more durp from

Delay: the_freelance: This is why I keep saying the specifics of the 911 call/the neighbor notification are so important. LPD should be asking neighbors (particularly the neighbor the victim ran to) if the victim had recently made any comments to them about being afraid or threatened, both to find leads for actual perps and explore if a predicate was being laid for staging an event.

My assumption is that however the crime turns out, hate crime or false reporting, their primary responsibility is getting the woman stabilized. That seems to be what the PD is doing. Here is a somewhat similar incident, spray paint and hateful words. Link How will it turn out?


Didn't one of the ladies get arrested after police use some kind of light and found paint on her hands? Or was that a different case?
 
2012-07-24 10:34:58 AM  

SuperTramp: The Lincoln Nebraska City Council approved a proposal in May to ban discrimination in housing and employment based on a person's sexual orientation or gender identity, but opponents obtained enough signatures to keep it from going into effect before an as-yet unscheduled public vote.

In May 2012 --- Nebraska Woman Delivers Epic Homophobic Rant at Lincoln 'Fairness Amendment' Hearing

Some highlights:

"P-E-N-I-S goes into the anus to rupture intestines. The more a man does this the more he'll be a fatality or a homicider."

"A huge percent of gay men in school grounds molest boys, partly because they don't have AIDS yet."

"Hillary Clinton's roommate four years in college was a gay woman. To avoid going gay like Clinton did, college students need single rooms and single gender dorms... A college woman is seduced with illegal Rohypnol to go gay."

"Roman senators went to Roman baths to be promiscuous gays... and orgiers then went to the Coliseum to watch Christians get mauled and perish. Do gays become this sadistic? Yes."

"Jesus was kissed by Judas, a homo, who tried to sabotage Jesus' kind ideas. Do you choose Jesus, a celibate, or Judas, a homo? You have to choose!"

This is what they're dealing with in Lincoln Nebraska.


Something else I found when doing a GIS for pictures is this article from 2008:

http://www.dailynebraskan.com/news/lincoln-s-hate-crimes-increasing-1 . 278380

Initially, I was with the "likely to be self-inflicted" - because that's a farking heinous set of crimes being reported. BUT, even a cursory search points to a years-long escalation in the area against homosexuals. Gradual escalation in criminal severity is a documented phenomenon (the US Justice Department has various reports on it - google results here), and if the escalation has gone from vandalism to the stalking and personal assault of a stranger (this didn't occur in a vacuum), then the urgency of the case cannot be overstated, because at best we'll see more and more severe group violence, and there's a distinct chance we'll see serial killers start to pop up from the ranks of whoever the hell is doing this.

I'm with a comment earlier - I really would rather this be self-inflicted and not a sign of escalating violence against homosexuals in this area, but regardless, police need to get more resources on this promptly before serious injury or death happens - and lock up any farkwits perpetrating these crimes,
 
2012-07-24 10:36:43 AM  
Also, the slurs were carved into her arms and stomach, which would be very easy to do to yourself, vs your back.
 
2012-07-24 10:36:58 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Sounds staged. The fire is the key. Burning only a small amount. I bet any mementos and valuables were safe and sound. Wouldn't arsonist spread gas everywhere ?


I'm guessing that all y'all screaming "not enough fire" have never actually been within 100 feet of a gasoline fueled fire.

Unless the gasoline is poured onto another, more flammable material, lighting a puddle of gas does not do a whole hell of a lot of damage. Once the gas burns out, unless the fire has an additional fuel source, the fire goes out.

I have seen the results, up close, of what happens when about 3/4 of a gallon of gas ignites in a closed area. The garage of my parents' home. They were remodeling the kitchen and the garage was full of cabinets in boxes, Formica counter tops and appliances in boxes. Also in the garage was paint, paint thinner, the lawn mower, the electric clothes dryer and the partial can of gasoline.

Officially, the ignition source was never really determined. However, the when the gasoline ignited, it did not even manage to burn the cardboard boxes within 5 feet of the puddle. What did burn was the nylon robe my mother was wearing and the heat managed to melt the nylon nightgown I was wearing as I tried to extinguish her. She suffered 2nd and 3rd degree burns over 95 percent of her body. I was lucky, in that my burns were 1st and 2nd degree over about 10%. I smothered the flames on her by smothering them with cotton sheets. The puddle did not go past the area in front of the dryer. Total of structure and contents damage in the garage was $0.
 
2012-07-24 10:37:19 AM  

Alonjar: Id like to point out that if they left her tied up in her house with it on fire, that would imply they intended to kill her. If they were going to BBQ her, why carve the slurs?

Sounds fishy.


I raised the same question but to play Devil's Advocate...the crime was allegedly committed by three people. The person or persons who assaulted her and carved words into her skin might not be the same person who set the fire. The fire could have been an afterthought, after the torture they decide to go further and burn her alive. Or destroy evidence.

It should absolutely raise questions, but there's no information that's definitive one way or another at this point, at least not that's been released to the public yet.

Regardless, my sympathies are with this woman as whether it's true or not she is suffering. If hoax she needs help, if not those monsters need to be caught and removed from society.
 
2012-07-24 10:37:42 AM  

way south: keithgabryelski: way south: Religion may be an excuse, but its a poor one. In reality, any excuse will do for a bigot.

this is an interesting statement coming from someone who, just yesterday, said:

/Put a few Muslims in London and they start torching the place.

You can pretend to be insulted, but it is a perfectly legitimate thing to say when taken in context.
We were debating whether the British idea of banning guns (in a nation without a gun culture) was a thing that could work on US soil. The British were painted as a peaceful and stable society that is able to deal with the pressures of the modern world.

They are not.

With their ethnic tensions getting out of control, long running terrorism problems, and the gun violence obviously continuing, they aren't an example of how to solve a problem. They can barely deal with their own issues.

/But I'm sure you'll say they just need to make a more perfect police state to solve that.
/Because a bad interpretation of law or scripture is ok if everyone in the congregation agrees to it.


I'm not pretending: You are a bigot and are justifying the hatred of Muslims by calling them inherently violent.
That is what THAT quote means -- context and all.
 
2012-07-24 10:37:48 AM  

Theaetetus: FilmBELOH20: Theaetetus: FilmBELOH20: I don't want to be one of "those guys" either, but if they tied her up with zip ties, how did she get out of them?

By "those guys", you mean an "illiterate person"? From the article:
The victim's friend said the woman crawled from her house, naked and bleeding and screaming for help, before reaching the doorstep of a neighbor's home.

It's probably safe to assume the neighbor cut them off.

OK, allow me to elaborate. Blahblahblah

That's a really long way to say "I never read the article, which does say she was still bound, so all of my suppositions are irrelevant."


Show me where this article linked to this topic reads that she was bound when her neighbor found her at 4AM. Maybe you read it somewhere else, but this one reads nothing either way.
 
2012-07-24 10:37:51 AM  

Alonjar: Id like to point out that if they left her tied up in her house with it on fire, that would imply they intended to kill her. If they were going to BBQ her, why carve the slurs?

Sounds fishy.


To torture and terrorize her, perhaps?
 
2012-07-24 10:37:59 AM  

Spazmojack: SkunkWerks: keylock71: Anybody who thinks they can tell this was "faked" because of the the way something is spray painted on a wall

But! The Pixels! YOU CAN SEE THEM!

And the SHOOPS!

~
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On the contrary. The neat writing is an excellent point. And look how strange the cops are acting. All their statements were 100% bumph. White noise. There are a dozen things wrong with the story.

I can't believe how many morons there are here. Hoax all the way.

i45.tinypic.com

I saw precisely the same thing when these came out. They were screaming fakes. But fark me, over half the thread participants WANTED TO BELIEVE, with many verbally attacked anyone who dared try and question their fairy tale.
 
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