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2012-07-24 08:41:05 AM
I don't care about the religion/gun subthread that's going on in here, WHOEVER did something like this is a sick, sick person who is severely farked up in the head.

/Yes, even if it turns out to be self-inflicted.
 
2012-07-24 08:41:25 AM

KrispyKritter: the story reads damn odd and makes one wonder. reads like bullshiat to me. complete with a trio of ninjas and a gas source fire that only causes $200 damage. but it's nice to see lots of people tossing hate at christians even though they have no idea who did the alleged deed. godless heathens.


Charcoal lighter fluid could easily do what you're describing.
 
2012-07-24 08:43:00 AM

peasandcarrots: Assuming this is a real thing that happened, what happens to that skepticism when the assailants are caught? Are you going to eat crow, or will you keep going into full-blown denialism?

I take a look at what I lose if I'm wrong. Shrug my shoulders, dismiss the fake victim as a lunatic, and get on with life. It wouldn't affect how I feel one way or another about what she was trying to say or do. If this is some kind of crazy statement on gay rights, I don't see it really changing how I feel.


Strong positions on either side here seem ill-advised. People who use this without evidence as an example of hate crimes, will, if it proves to be false, have been maintaining an unnecessary climate of fear for gay people. People who use this without evidence as an example of gay mendacity will, if it proves to be true, have been maintaining an unnecessary climate of belittlement for gay people.

Someone has been pretty badly injured. Whether she did it to herself or other people did it to her, it's a serious affair. Let's wait for the followup story before going much further, though, eh?
 
2012-07-24 08:43:38 AM
justindarr.com

Okay, I give up on reason. This thread is immovable bleeding heart meets unstoppable conspiracy theorist.
 
2012-07-24 08:44:47 AM

Coelacanth: MagSeven: The police said they were holding back details to catch the suspects, so I really wouldn't count that as evidence or anywhere near the whole story. As far as the fire, gas can burn out quickly, especially with hardwood floors or most types of tile. Carpet, not so much. It depends on how much they used. It sounds like they just dumped it in the middle of the floor. That might burn itself out quickly with no problems depending on the floor. If they hit the walls, floor, drapes like any competent person would, they might have been successful. So yeah, you are right, we don't have the whole picture. I guess I'm still the type to give the benefit of the doubt to the victim. Sadly, for the dozen or so hoaxes a year that we get to hear about, the majority of violent crime victims are genuine. Even the ones that fail to make even the local news.

I used to live in a mountain tourist community. Back in 1973, person or persons unknown entered the home of a high school homecoming queen, raped her, hogtied her, and then successfully set the cabin on fire where she then died, and all evidence was destroyed. The house was a then modern cabin with hardwood floors and walls. There were numerous suspects, but nobody was ever caught.

/Her closest neighbor was director David Lynch.


so...there are pics then?
 
2012-07-24 08:44:55 AM
Just going to weigh in and say that according to other articles, there were slurs carved into her skin. If that's accurate, we're not talking about someone who sliced herself a few times. This would take vastly more self-control or psychosis to pull off. The process would have to be:

1 - Spray paint the basement.
2 - Strip naked.
3 - Carve words all over her own body.
4 - Dump gasoline around the house (we don't know exactly where, but if the spray paint is in the basement, basement fire seems more obvious than anywhere else).
5 - Light the gasoline.
6 - Zip-tie hands and feet (INSIDE A BURNING BUILDING).
7 - Crawl out of the house screaming for help.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but I will say I find that much less likely than someone doing this against her will.

As to the $200 in damage: If I'm right and the fire was in the basement, and based on the pictures it appears to be an unfinished basement, it's not unreasonable that only $200 in damage would have been done. Lots of cement and such down there. Keep in mind, too, that the fire was still burning when emergency crews arrived.

I truly hope this woman gets the help and support she needs in either event.

And I'll just add this little statement here:

Everyone. Stop doing terrible things to one another. It's not helping anything. And calls for someone to shoot someone are only escalating things. Just. Spread the love, guys.
 
2012-07-24 08:45:30 AM

orbister: People who use this without evidence as an example of gay mendacity will, if it proves to be true, have been maintaining an unnecessary climate of belittlement for gay people


What's interesting is that I don't see anyone, even those whoer are very strongly skeptical, saying that it's gay mendacity that caused it. It's focused on the individual, though people are saying that an individual act like this could really set back the LGBT movement. I think that's the real fear from people who are gay-rights activists.
 
2012-07-24 08:45:41 AM

susansto-helit: Isn't it a bit hard to bind your own feet and hands with zip ties, though? I've never used them, but that doesn't sound easy.


It's extremely easy.
 
2012-07-24 08:45:51 AM

Ambivalence: TheDumbBlonde: No Christian was involved in this heinous crime.

That's not really for you to say. I understand not wanting to be associated with this kind of filth, but if they say they're christian, then they are christian. They may be really bad at BEING Christian, but it's not like there's an authoritity with the power to kick out bad examples from the entire suite of Christian religions.


Ummmm... I am pretty sure Jesus never said "Hey run around and cut people who aren't like you"...
 
2012-07-24 08:45:52 AM
Farkette's friend was attacked in her home. She was tied up, had anti-gay slurs cut into her skin, and had her home set on fire

Go on...

/aisle seat, i'll have one...
 
2012-07-24 08:46:12 AM

peasandcarrots: It's not just that some of you are claiming skepticism. It's that some of you are so desperately, heavily invested in your skepticism that worries me. Some of you seem to have skepticism-lite, which is one thing, but there are a couple of you - and you know who you are - who, based on the same reports the rest of us got, are absolutely convinced. Assuming this is a real thing that happened, what happens to that skepticism when the assailants are caught? Are you going to eat crow, or will you keep going into full-blown denialism?

I take a look at what I lose if I'm wrong. Shrug my shoulders, dismiss the fake victim as a lunatic, and get on with life. It wouldn't affect how I feel one way or another about what she was trying to say or do. If this is some kind of crazy statement on gay rights, I don't see it really changing how I feel.

What do you lose if you're wrong? This vast investment that you've made into not just your position and reputation, but your attitude towards human nature. It would have a huge effect on the way you view this case. Would you be willing, all of you, to come humbly back to this thread, or to some future thread, and admit that you were wrong, or would you quietly hope no one noticed that you shoveled fifty posts into a thread calling bullshiat about something about which you literally could not possibly have any in-depth knowledge?

The police may already know whether or not this is self-inflicted. They're not telling YOU. There are people in here desperately struggling to second-guess crazy. There are people who insist that they're certain that this is some kind of scam, because sometimes it is. I need to know what's wrong with giving this story the benefit of the doubt until more information rolls in. I need to know what horrible mistake I'm making by accepting a media report that says that this happened. I don't really see that as being a "sheep."

I mean, one way or another, this story doesn't have any effect on me. Having read it, I ...


Thank you, sir/madame, for this. You are, of course, absolutely correct and you subtly point out how flawed and -overly-emotional thinking can lead one to irrational, sometime violent behaviors.
 
2012-07-24 08:47:53 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: Tea Party happened.

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Because People in power are Stupid: Tea Party happened.

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Troll
 
2012-07-24 08:48:33 AM

gulogulo: orbister: People who use this without evidence as an example of gay mendacity will, if it proves to be true, have been maintaining an unnecessary climate of belittlement for gay people

What's interesting is that I don't see anyone, even those whoer are very strongly skeptical, saying that it's gay mendacity that caused it. It's focused on the individual, though people are saying that an individual act like this could really set back the LGBT movement. I think that's the real fear from people who are gay-rights activists.


Yes. You are right. Sorry. I should have said "a gay person being mendacious (which will be heard by the 'phobes as general gay mendacity)"
 
2012-07-24 08:48:47 AM

gulogulo: Mrs.Sharpier:
What's your point? Both would be horrible, but the way I see it people already accept that there are bigots and hateful people out there, we know it and sometimes laws and law enforcement is pretty lax in stopping it sometimes (see Brandon Teena). A hate crime of this magnitude would highlight the need to really hold our society accountable for these people, and be more vigilant about it. Please do not read into this that I would WANT this to happen. I don't.

The second option is that it is fabricated, which has the exact opposite effect. It makes even MORE people skeptical, and distrustful while giving justification to the perps who would actually do this and law enforcement to ignore it. It takes everything backwards and is far, far reaching. I wouldn't want that to happen either. I don't know if there's a better in this story, and I'm not saying which one is right. I honestly don't know, and it makes me feel physically ill one way or the other.


point is that some people are skeptical, and have their own anecdotes to back it up, just like you do with the police being lax. you're right it sucks either way, but I don't think that being skeptical makes a person a troll or insensitive. especially on a site like Fark.
 
2012-07-24 08:48:52 AM
Ok, so I am a christian. I believe being gay is a sin. I also believe saying god's name in vain is a sin. All sins are forgivable save 1 (the bible actually says this). The gay person has sinned. God Damn it. Now I have too. We can both seek forgiveness and party in heaven together. No where that I know of does the bible condone shiat like this. Christ people (i sinned again), the primary message of the new testament is love and forgiveness.

Tell friend that I said a prayer for her. If she is not religious, she can take that as thinking positive thoughts about her.
 
2012-07-24 08:49:15 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: Tea Party happened.


Oh I'm sorry, is that a Dennis Kucinich sign in back of that wackjob? Hardly a bastion of teabagging there in Libtard country.
 
2012-07-24 08:50:13 AM

namegoeshere: Is there any reason besides religion to oppose same sex relationships? Because I'm having a really big problem reconciling the idea that being gay is HORRIBLE and BAD and a SIN but stripping a woman naked, beating her, binding her with zip ties, carving hateful words into her skin, and attempting to burn her alive is good Christian behavior.


Who, other than you, said it was?
 
2012-07-24 08:50:22 AM

orbister: Someone has been pretty badly injured.


I hate to sound callous here, but we don't know that. That McCain campaigner was said to have a b ":carved" into her skin, I woudln't say she was pretty badly injured. Police made no comment about the extent of the injury and allwe have from neighbors is that there was blood. SO all we know is that soemone may have been pretty badly injured.
 
2012-07-24 08:50:22 AM
Smells like bullshiat...

Three men in ski masks, break in, tie her up, but not so much that she can't get away, bring gasoline to start a fire, but manage to do no damage, don't commit rape or otherwise do any bodily harm, and oh by the way, take the time to spray paint a message in nearly perfect text (honestly, my handwriting isn't that good).

//Liberal, supporter of the Democratic party, supporter (financially and with my vote) of gay marriage initiatives...

//Just saying, if your bullshiat detector isn't going off, its time to send that thing to the warranty shop for servicing..

//Actually hope I'm completely wrong, but I don't think I am..
 
2012-07-24 08:51:32 AM

texanjeff:
Ummmm... I am pretty sure Jesus never said "Hey run around and cut people who aren't like you"...


I've seen Usenet postings by the fruitbat pastor of a church in North Wales claiming that when Jesus returns one of his first acts will be to put all gay people to death. The complete, utter incongruence between this and anything about, or said by, Jesus in the bible seems not to concern him one whit.
 
2012-07-24 08:51:37 AM
Some stuff to consider:

1) If she was cut 'all over her body' and it so happens that a few of those slurs are cut into her back or other places she couldn't reach on her own, it's going to be very obvious very soon. Any medical examiner or criminal investigator will be able to tell whether or not wounds are self-inflicted, and if there was a lot of blood then there are going to be a lot of fingerprints and bloody male handprints all over her body.

2) It's not as easy to burn a house down with gasoline as the movies would have you believe. When a hit squad torches a house after walking around dousing it with gas, the resulting inferno is mostly special effects. People screw up arson all the time, it's mostly amateur night and there's no telling if they wanted to take down the whole house or just scare the hell out of her. Plus, lighting gas in your own house just for attention? Really? If you've already sliced yourself up and then zip-tied yourself, why would you bother?
 
2012-07-24 08:51:48 AM
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." (Leviticus 20:13 KJV)

The victim in this story was female. The Bible doesn't say anything about women who lieth with women. Any Christians want to educate me on where the infallible, unerring word of the Bible says anything about women?
 
2012-07-24 08:52:07 AM
hey guys, lets speculate some more about the cause and the rationale behind something which has between little to zero evidence of anything.
what we know is: a woman claims to be attacked, she has cuts, and there's stuff spraypainted on the walls in her basement calling her a dyke among other things.
I'm sure we'll come up with something.

the jews? the nazis? polar bears? global warming? mass media? republicans? barack obama? fark? drew curtis?

/the speculation in this thread is shiat and/or terrible
 
2012-07-24 08:52:21 AM

Red Shirt Blues: I hate to be that guy but.......this could be self inflicted. Kind of like that woman who threw acid in her own face. I was looking at pics of the messages left on her walls. Pretty good printing for spray paint. I mean if you're an attacker all stoked up smashing doors in committing violence and arson.......
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In one way I hope I am wrong, that nobody could contrive this, OTOH I hope I am right that nobody would be sick enough to storm somebody's house and mutilate her because she's gay.


The graffiti is a woman's handwriting.Men's handwriting tends to be much more angular than rounded. Also, it wasn't hastily done: the letters and words are formed in a way that indicates time was taken to form the words carefully.....I have to agree here that this is almost definitely NOT the graffiti of 3 random thugs in a "slash-and-burn" attack.

Also, the carving of "anti-gay slurs" into the skin sounds more like the faking of previous self-injurious attacks than something which has actually previously occurred.

The minimal damage of the fire in a pool of gasoline rather than being splashed about as arsonists do to maximize damage is also extremely suspicious as well.

Sorry. But I'm calling BS on this. There isn't one thing here that rings even remotely true.
 
2012-07-24 08:52:30 AM
Money is the reason she might have done it. Think about all those who have faked cancer? You sheep already started a "victims" fund.
 
2012-07-24 08:53:54 AM

SkunkWerks

Still waiting for you to turn this into a Zimmerman thread (somehow), come to think of it.
*ctrl-f* "zimmerman. Looks like you're the only one dragging that into this thread. You must be desperate. Quick, you're loosing the debate, change the topic!

SkunkWerks
Personally, I'd love to see the non-violent, live-and-let-live Christians stand up and cast off this kind of thuggery, but, well... turn the other cheek, Brother.

:(
Perhaps if you took off those bigoted blinders, it would be easier to see.
Christians speak out against NC pastor's anti-gay sermon

Statement on Violence Against Homosexuals

'We do not all have the same views on homosexuality, but we are one in the belief that all human beings are created in God's image and are precious in His eyes. Therefore people should treat each other with dignity - respectfully, peacefully and affectionately - and violence against homosexuals, in any form, is completely unacceptable...."


Responding to the murder of Mathew Shepard:
... First, it was wrong, horribly wrong, that this young man was murdered; not because he was a homosexual, but because he was a human being. It is wrong for any person to capriciously take the life of another, the reason being, we all are made "in the image of God" (Genesis 9:6). Murder is ultimately an assault upon the Creator. Only the sovereign God himself, who is the Author of life (Acts 17:25), has the right to determine when human life is worthy of termination. Every Christian, therefore, must find this crime atrocious...


Mormons Condemn Anti-Gay Violence in Utah

They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided.

...Pat Robertson has stated: "We abhor violence against homosexuals. We would counsel strongly in relation to homosexuality that you could hold your religious beliefs without beating people up and being violent."...



In other news
Call for Violence Against Christian Supporters of Prop 8

...Can someone in CA please go burn down the Mormon temples there, PLEASE. I mean seriously. DO IT...

... "Burn their f-ing churches to the ground, and then tax the charred timbers..."

..."I swear, I'd murder people with my bare hands this morning...


Threats against Mass. Catholic church for anti-gay marriage sign

Note the sign said "Two men are friends, not spouses." Nothing violent until your side introduced it.


Should we now blame "all" homosexual folks for those few idiots? Can you link to leaders on your side standing up and casting off this kind of thuggery? Tell you what, lets make it easy. Just link to your posts where you "stand up and cast off this kind of thuggery".
 
2012-07-24 08:54:14 AM
My thoughts go out to your friend, subby.
 
2012-07-24 08:55:20 AM

Bhruic: The first step is admitting you have a problem.


Yes. I don't get your siege mentality. This might a huge problem to me later on down the line if I ever have to play proxy victim for my chosen form of belief.

I'd better fix that. I should get right on it. Like, now.

Bhruic: if the completely unabiguous statement "people should stop speculating without evidence" isn't understandable by you


Ah! But there's tons of other possibilities here as to why I don't find your statement particularly compelling here, my little font of All Things Logical. And the fact that you choose to ignore them doesn't make them any less damning.

Hatred of gays has it's root (it's excuse, as some have preferred to call it) in Christian (and likely more specifically, Old Testament) dogma. Other people have pointed to other cultures of the world, and there are some, true enough, that still have issues with gays. Many of those have a history of heavy Christian or otherwise Abrahamic influence as well.

There are a lot of other cultures- cultures less steeped in the "big three" of Western faith- which simply don't share this viewpoint. They were never brought up with it. It was never even implied. For them, hating people because of their sexual orientation is a foreign and silly idea. It is, at best, a 'meh' issue.

Now, returning to the "this is a predominantly Christian nation" argument you so often hear from that same side of the fence- the one that claims that anyone who has ever had a parent that used the expletive "goddammit" as Christian- I again challenge you to suggest a compelling alternative motivation.

For a person who claims I've failed, you still have yet to rise to this very simple challenge.

Do I think you can? Probably not. Would I be deeply interested if you actually could? Yes, actually, I would. I enjoy learning things. So far you've had little to teach. I'm actually interested to see this change. Where else might this woman's (alleged) attackers have gotten the idea that Gays are to be hated and abused by society at large?
 
2012-07-24 08:56:32 AM
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Why is nobody pointing out the most obvious suspects?
 
2012-07-24 08:56:43 AM

texanjeff: Ambivalence: TheDumbBlonde: No Christian was involved in this heinous crime.

That's not really for you to say. I understand not wanting to be associated with this kind of filth, but if they say they're christian, then they are christian. They may be really bad at BEING Christian, but it's not like there's an authoritity with the power to kick out bad examples from the entire suite of Christian religions.

Ummmm... I am pretty sure Jesus never said "Hey run around and cut people who aren't like you"...


have you even met lol jesus?
edge.ebaumsworld.com
 
2012-07-24 08:57:05 AM

stlbluez: SkunkWerks: stlbluez: OBVIOUSLY these folks were Christian.. and representative of all Christians.

Because these two things are mutually inclusive, every time, all the time. You can't be a Christian, feel you are following Christian ideals, commit heinous acts like this, and not be representative of all Christians, at all times.

Make up your minds about whether you'd like to reject or embrace people like this, please.

I'm certain you paint Islam and Muslims with the same brush then, right ?


About whether they'd like to accept or reject potentially embarrassing uses of their own respective dogmas? Very much yes. Most take a "fair-weather" attitude towards this subject, pretty much without exception.
 
2012-07-24 08:57:29 AM

way south: Religion may be an excuse, but its a poor one. In reality, any excuse will do for a bigot.


this is an interesting statement coming from someone who, just yesterday, said:

/Put a few Muslims in London and they start torching the place.
 
2012-07-24 08:57:30 AM
God speed to this young lady in her healing.
 
2012-07-24 08:58:35 AM

Oysterman: [justindarr.com image 424x432]

Okay, I give up on reason. This thread is immovable bleeding heart meets unstoppable conspiracy theorist.


You forgot Popcorn. Bloody conspiratorial popcorn.
 
2012-07-24 08:59:26 AM

Red Shirt Blues: I hate to be that guy but.......this could be self inflicted. Kind of like that woman who threw acid in her own face. I was looking at pics of the messages left on her walls. Pretty good printing for spray paint. I mean if you're an attacker all stoked up smashing doors in committing violence and arson.......
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In one way I hope I am wrong, that nobody could contrive this, OTOH I hope I am right that nobody would be sick enough to storm somebody's house and mutilate her because she's gay.


I thought something does not sound right also as my heart can't seem to accept someone doing this just because she is gay. I thought maybe they had another beef with her and since she is gay used that as fuel. I know there are people out there that being gay is enough to hate but to do this? SICK
 
2012-07-24 09:00:20 AM
 
2012-07-24 09:01:29 AM

Lutrasimilis: Some stuff to consider:
Plus, lighting gas in your own house just for attention? Really? If you've already sliced yourself up and then zip-tied yourself, why would you bother?


Fire is also used by people to destroy evidence. As you pointed out, there would likely be some evidence if three people were in the house, etc. If it's a hoax, fire might have been to destroy the evidence [or lack thereof]. It's also possible of course it was set by three people to destroy any evidence of the crimes they committed and/or to finish off their victim.

As I said previously the article made me immediately skeptical. Words carved in the skin ... that was the first thing that made me skeptical because of other similar hoaxes (as others have amply pointed out). Zip ties are an extremely easy way to tie yourself up. You can pull the zip tie shut with your teeth if need be, it's very easy. The sprays on the wall look very even, very carefully done. It doesn't appear (to my decidedly INEXPERT eye of course) to be a scrawl of one or more madmen who are carving up and torching a woman because of sheer mindless hatred.

I could be totally wrong. And I think it's wrong to call people who are potentially victims liars. I don't think it's wrong to be skeptical and wait for more information. And we've all probably watched far too many crime shows. ;)
 
2012-07-24 09:01:34 AM

OnlyM3: Looks like you're the only one dragging that into this thread.


Mentioning it and threadjacking it the whole kaboodle in that direction are quantifiable different acts.

There's a plank in your eye, by the by.
 
2012-07-24 09:01:43 AM

PunGent: barefoot in the head: TheDumbBlonde: No Christian was involved in this heinous crime.

Precisely put.

Assuming the attack happened as described, what tenet of militant Christianity was violated?

For bonus points, explain how baptizing a heretic's child, and then murdering it so it goes to heaven in a state of grace, violates Christian ethics.

It was a documented practice, so you should have no trouble coming up with the rationale...


1 Corinthians 13
New International Version (NIV)

1 If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

Pay close attention to verse 10. it has been spoken all over the world for thousands of years. Christianity is nothing more than another way into a relationship with the messenger of truth, which is no person, has many names, and requires none.

"For bonus points, explain how baptizing a heretic's child, and then murdering it so it goes to heaven in a state of grace, violates Christian ethics."
Not just Chrisitan ethics; "thou shalt not kill" predates Christianity.
 
2012-07-24 09:03:08 AM

Cybernetic: gulogulo: I hate to pull this "but my friends are [insert minority]" as a way to lend credence to my words, but it's true: my best friend is a gay man. I love him dearly and his partner, and I've seen the products of fear and hate being delivered to them. That said, while I'm not saying for sure, I am skeptical too. And honestly, I can't say which would be worse at this point: that it happened, an act of hate and terror makes me feel physically ill. Or that someone would possibly do something like this to deceive, and while it is someone acting alone, will be used by those who hate as justification for their hate and distrust, casting shadows of doubt over any hatecrime to follow. The repercussions of the latter could be far reaching.

I'm reserving my judgement one way or the other. I won't leap on any band wagon, either to rush to send money or to condemn her. I hope she gets the help she needs, regardless.

It's a sad fact that the instances of fake hate crimes--up to and including the recent case at Central Connecticut State University--have made a lot of people skeptical. I wish submitter's friend a speedy and complete recovery from her injuries; apart from that I'll wait to see what the investigation uncovers.


Thanks for writing exactly how I feel - I read the article and something felt off to me, but that doesn't mean the person isn't suffering no matter what happened.
 
2012-07-24 09:03:16 AM

keithgabryelski: way south: Religion may be an excuse, but its a poor one. In reality, any excuse will do for a bigot.

this is an interesting statement coming from someone who, just yesterday, said:

/Put a few Muslims in London and they start torching the place.


Why it sounds like he is saying the same thing in both post.
 
2012-07-24 09:03:56 AM
Nope. She's lying. Three guys? Nah, three guys getting together to do this would have robbed her. No profit in this crime. A single loner? Yeah, a single loner does things like this, but they don't tie you up and carve on you.
I support her cause, but when I add the known variables that a) people WILL lie for attention, b) we're in a housing downturn, and c) People will deliberately commit a fraud in support of their political, social, or religious perspectives, they add up to a statistically more likely proposition than that three guys got together and agreed to do this without robbing her of her valuables. I'm supposed to also believe that three guys light a fire like a girl.
 
2012-07-24 09:04:08 AM

dfenstrate: Hey folks!
My ten favorite hate crime hoaxes!


Do you have a ten favorite actual hate crimes?
 
2012-07-24 09:04:53 AM
Sorry about your friend, Farkette - really, I am - but ALL CRIME IS "HATE" CRIME.

It's a dangerous road you're on that calls for the enhancement of penalties for some crimes because their motivations aren't politically correct.

I hate a gay basher as much as any bully, but punishing motivations is establishing thought crime and censorship.
 
2012-07-24 09:05:21 AM

SkunkWerks: Now, returning to the "this is a predominantly Christian nation" argument you so often hear from that same side of the fence- the one that claims that anyone who has ever had a parent that used the expletive "goddammit" as Christian- I again challenge you to suggest a compelling alternative motivation.

For a person who claims I've failed, you still have yet to rise to this very simple challenge.


And this is why I said you don't understand logic. I don't need to "rise" to the challenge. You seem to be under a misconception as to where the burden of proof lies. If you're making a claim, the burden lies on you. If you want to claim the people who did this (and you don't even know if there were people who did it) were Christian, you need to prove that. You can't turn around and say "well, you can't think of anyone else, so I win". I don't need to think of anyone else, because I'm not making a claim. I'm saying your claim is unverifiable (at this point in time). If you are unable to prove your case, then your case has no merit. So far, you haven't put forth any evidence of to back your claim at all. Lots of speculation. Lots of speculation. But that's it. And again, we both know you don't have any actual evidence (unless you were involved directly, which is highly unlikely). You're working off the same lack of evidence the rest of us are.
 
2012-07-24 09:05:23 AM

ginandbacon: Can we help in any way? Is there somewhere we can send donations to help her with hospital bills or to set up new housing?


http://starcitypride.org/victim-recovery-fund/

Subby here. posting from my phone so I can't format link. this is the site for helping. she has no insurance. this girl is such a sweetheart with the best heart. she just wants to live her life and rescue dogs. this should never happen to anyone!
 
2012-07-24 09:05:47 AM

xl5150: Not to mention the evidence is piling up that this was all self-inflicted.


Making shiat up is not evidence. Blaming the victim is not cool.
 
2012-07-24 09:06:26 AM
Musta been a Catholic Tea Party member........
 
2012-07-24 09:06:48 AM

AbbeySomeone: It's times like this when I realize that a West Coast perspective isn't the norm. Damn, that's too bad. I can't stand to spend time around these inbred, ignorant people that think behavior like this is OK. They terrify me and I'm a straight white woman.


They used to do this crap to fornicators and adulterers (still do in a few choice countries). They pick the most polarizing and/or vulnerable outlying group du jour and attempt to force them to conform, then move on to the next group. Nothing will ever be enough for them, even if we get to the point where conformation police roam the streets with rods whipping people wearing nail polish.
 
2012-07-24 09:06:51 AM
So, I'm not reading the whole 443 comment thread, but are there any leads on this? And has anybody thought of taking the case to 4chan? They do better detective work than the detectives, if you can catch the right ones at the right time.
 
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