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(Daily Kos)   The award for best cognitive dissonance goes to the Romney campaign for holding a "you didn't build this rally" with government contractors and a company that started using a government loan   (dailykos.com) divider line 209
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2012-07-23 11:17:03 PM
LO-effing-L

The only thing tainting the pure entertainment of this campaign is the slight fear that Mittens might actually win the day. If this were a novel, I'd have already flipped to the end to reassure myself that it doesn't end badly, and then continued to enjoy the rest of the story.
 
2012-07-23 11:17:32 PM
skullkrusher: thurstonxhowell: skullkrusher: hungryhungryhorus: When the law is on your side, bang on the law.

When the facts are on your side, bang on the facts.

When nothing is on your side, bang on the table.

when your mom's on your side, push her back onto the wet spot

When your mom's on my side, she IS the wet spot.

my mom was born without a vagina, you insensitive prick


I rarely post but that made me laugh out loud.
Yep, that's my input.
 
2012-07-23 11:17:58 PM
This is where he focuses his attack? On an out of context thing that most people get except die hard derpers who'll vote against President Obama anyway. He's getting killed on core issues. Even if he did it well it still a lame angle. This guy is clown shoes, his campaign is clown shoes and his platform is clown shoes. President Obama would truly have to be a muslin terrorist Kenyan socialist for me to consider voting for Romney. The guy is a joke.
 
2012-07-23 11:19:46 PM
eraser8: I often hear people -- even intelligent, well-educated people -- refer to things like double-think as "cognitive dissonance." Drives me up the wall.

Define cognitive dissonance for us.
 
2012-07-23 11:20:33 PM
Kittypie070: Oh puppies, huh?

I NEED TO GO FLIP OFF A BOX OF PUPPIES

GGGGGGNNNNNNNNHHHHHHHHHHHRRRRGGGHHHH

/sorry


I would never suggest running over a box full of kitties.
 
2012-07-23 11:21:20 PM
teeny: LO-effing-L

The only thing tainting the pure entertainment of this campaign is the slight fear that Mittens might actually win the day. If this were a novel, I'd have already flipped to the end to reassure myself that it doesn't end badly, and then continued to enjoy the rest of the story.


something is severely wrong with this country that this man is a candidate, and isn't losing 90% to 10%
 
2012-07-23 11:23:19 PM
teeny: The only thing tainting the pure entertainment of this campaign is the slight fear that Mittens might actually win the day. If this were a novel, I'd have already flipped to the end to reassure myself that it doesn't end badly, and then continued to enjoy the rest of the story.

QFT.

I'm trying to have good time during this election season, but the idea that Romney might wind up President is farking terrifying.
 
2012-07-23 11:24:16 PM
Don't worry Gyrfalcon, I restrained myself and decided to flip off my cat instead.

She took it well.

/someone needs to kick Death in the ass with steel-toed boots.
 
2012-07-23 11:24:50 PM
James F. Campbell: eraser8: I often hear people -- even intelligent, well-educated people -- refer to things like double-think as "cognitive dissonance." Drives me up the wall.

Define cognitive dissonance for us.


Basically, it's a kind of psychic discomfort felt when new information conflicts with existing belief.
 
2012-07-23 11:24:57 PM
falcon176: teeny: LO-effing-L

The only thing tainting the pure entertainment of this campaign is the slight fear that Mittens might actually win the day. If this were a novel, I'd have already flipped to the end to reassure myself that it doesn't end badly, and then continued to enjoy the rest of the story.

something is severely wrong with this country that this man is a candidate, and isn't losing 90% to 10%



The media selectively polls to keep the race tight
 
2012-07-23 11:26:04 PM
Government contractors and a government loan? It's a good thing that the money for those things pours out of the pot of money found at the end of the rainbow emanating from Obama's butt crack and isn't provided by taxpayers like the small business owners Obama says didn't build their businesses. Because it would be extremely silly to say small business owners didn't build their businesses based on help they got from taxpayer funded entities that the small business owners help more than just about anyone else because of the tax revenue they generate for the state and federal governments. As a matter of fact, it would be down right asinine to make that sort of statement.

Just saying.
 
2012-07-23 11:27:08 PM
rudemix: This is where he focuses his attack? On an out of context thing that most people get except die hard derpers who'll vote against President Obama anyway. He's getting killed on core issues. Even if he did it well it still a lame angle. This guy is clown shoes, his campaign is clown shoes and his platform is clown shoes. President Obama would truly have to be a muslin terrorist Kenyan socialist for me to consider voting for Romney. The guy is a joke.

Duh. The GOP has ignored the top of the bell curve for thirty years.

Here's what they'll do: They'll get all the congressional candidates spitting fire about how Romney is just like Obama. This will get all of the batshiat insane right-wingers to the polls, as they vote for anyone who gives them the freedom to be angry.

Then, while they're at the polls voting against that (filtered-filtered-filtered), they'll also check Romney's name because, hey, what the heck, he'll piss off them liberals.

The GOP doesn't want to appeal to the middle. It's too much work and doesn't give them the large crop of idiots they need to make money.
 
2012-07-23 11:27:38 PM
Seems like it's time for the dipshiat crowd to drop this stupid talking point. Move on to the next painfully derpish nontroversy, kthx.

And those of you groaning that "both sides are the same why bother?"

Of the two political parties which have representation in Congress and in the WH, which one favors business regulation?
 
2012-07-23 11:30:45 PM
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2012-07-23 11:31:49 PM
intelligent comment below: The media selectively polls to keep the race tight

This sort of thinking makes me cringe. I went to sleep on November Whatever, 2004 thinking the country couldn't be stupid enough to let GWB be president again, but they did. shiat is not decided. It seems ridiculous, but Richey McDancehorse might be our president next year.
 
2012-07-23 11:31:57 PM
I keep coming back to Fark because in real life I generally find myself surrounded by good people.

Fark is my daily reminder that people are terrible and not to let my guard down. Its actually a suprisingly (or perhaps not) helpful mindset to have in the corporate world.

In a way, you could say I frequent fark to help provide for my family...Im gonna go with that.
 
2012-07-23 11:33:10 PM
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee built this rallllllly on ROCKS AND GOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLD!

F*ck this sh*t. Bush was a f*cking retard, this guy is f*cking delusional.
 
2012-07-23 11:34:15 PM
Obama needs to sign an executive order ASAP stopping all payments and funds going to these contractors. Because after all they are NOT on the government teet now are they, that is what they tell us. So therefore it won't matter one bit when this order is signed, right guys?
 
2012-07-23 11:35:08 PM
thurstonxhowell: intelligent comment below: The media selectively polls to keep the race tight

This sort of thinking makes me cringe. I went to sleep on November Whatever, 2004 thinking the country couldn't be stupid enough to let GWB be president again, but they did. shiat is not decided. It seems ridiculous, but Richey McDancehorse might be our president next year.



You can thank Diebold for that 04 Bush victory
And his war on terror that only he, a true war hero, could lead

Yes a lot of people are farking stupid, but most are just easily manipulated
 
2012-07-23 11:36:32 PM
Brubold: Government contractors and a government loan? It's a good thing that the money for those things pours out of the pot of money found at the end of the rainbow emanating from Obama's butt crack and isn't provided by taxpayers like the small business owners Obama says didn't build their businesses. Because it would be extremely silly to say small business owners didn't build their businesses based on help they got from taxpayer funded entities that the small business owners help more than just about anyone else because of the tax revenue they generate for the state and federal governments. As a matter of fact, it would be down right asinine to make that sort of statement.

Just saying.


He said they didn't build ROADS, BRIDGES, AND THE INTERNET. Are you illiterate?
 
2012-07-23 11:37:54 PM
[finally RTFA after excessive diddling around]

Oh gods, is Romney SHIATTING us!?

SERIOUSLY!!??
 
2012-07-23 11:38:33 PM
Kittypie070: [finally RTFA after excessive diddling around]

Oh gods, is Romney SHIATTING us!?

SERIOUSLY!!??


Mormons don't poop.
 
2012-07-23 11:40:02 PM
Kittypie070: [finally RTFA after excessive diddling around]

Oh gods, is Romney SHIATTING us!?

SERIOUSLY!!??


This is the level that his campaign is running.

And the amount of respect that he has for the electorate...
 
2012-07-23 11:41:19 PM
intelligent comment below: You can thank Diebold for that 04 Bush victory

No, that didn't happen. America was given the retard or Frankenboring to choose from. We chose the Cowboy. We own that. That was our f*ck-up and we own it.

/I voted for the Boston Brahmin and then threw up because that is what my country offered up as my best two choices.
//F*ck you, America! F*ck you very much.
 
2012-07-23 11:42:56 PM
thurstonxhowell: intelligent comment below: The media selectively polls to keep the race tight

This sort of thinking makes me cringe. I went to sleep on November Whatever, 2004 thinking the country couldn't be stupid enough to let GWB be president again, but they did. shiat is not decided. It seems ridiculous, but Richey McDancehorse might be our president next year.


So if you are concerned about Mittens winning are you actively working against that happening?
 
2012-07-23 11:47:48 PM
Lenny_da_Hog: Mormons don't poop.

I must be doing something wrong, then...

But seriously. Setting aside for the moment that the "You didn't build that" comment was taken completely out of context, I realize that the Romney campaign is probably pretty desperate to find something new to throw at Obama. That's just par for the course; it's how the game is played. Just keep finding things on the opposing team to pick at.

But what idiot decided it wasn't worth the effort to find ACTUAL bootstrappy people to be the faces of this rally?? This is where my slackjawed 'WTF' comes from. Obamas campaign must have a really hard time not giggling madly (ala Anderson Cooper) whenever they meet up to discuss tactics.
 
2012-07-23 11:52:21 PM
Wow, Brubold, that was ridiculous even for you.

Taxpayer money doesn't come from taxpayers?
 
2012-07-23 11:54:38 PM
NewportBarGuy: intelligent comment below: You can thank Diebold for that 04 Bush victory

No, that didn't happen. America was given the retard or Frankenboring to choose from. We chose the Cowboy. We own that. That was our f*ck-up and we own it.

/I voted for the Boston Brahmin and then threw up because that is what my country offered up as my best two choices.
//F*ck you, America! F*ck you very much.



It did happen. In Ohio and Florida
 
2012-07-23 11:55:35 PM
It's no use. These people honestly believe they built everything themselves. They are so horribly myopic and full of themselves that they honestly can't even see those government roads they drive on every day to get to their bootstrappy business. They really don't understand that society is a team sport.
 
2012-07-23 11:57:59 PM
Gyrfalcon: Or a fork when all you need is a wedding dress.

no forking before marriage!
 
2012-07-23 11:59:22 PM
intelligent comment below: It did happen. In Ohio and Florida

Florida 2000? You've got a case. 2004? We own that. I've read all the Diebold stuff, it's bullsh*t. In 2004, scaring people worked and won the election, nothing more. That, combined with a weak candidate? 2004 was not stolen.

It was lost.
 
2012-07-24 12:10:12 AM
coeyagi: 25 posts in and no ConservaTroll to complain about how this should be dismissed because it's a Kos article? I am disappoint.

Meh, broken clocks and so on. Even a blind pig occasionally stumbles across an acorn.
 
2012-07-24 12:16:47 AM
Jim_Callahan: Even a blind pig occasionally stumbles across an acorn.

...eye sea wot ewe...
 
2012-07-24 12:17:16 AM
eraser8: Basically, it's a kind of psychic discomfort felt when new information conflicts with existing belief.

Cognitive dissonance is the feeling of "discomfort caused by holding conflicting cognitions," then, rather than the incongruity of acting differently from how one believes itself.

Fine. What word or phrase should replace "cognitive dissonance" in the headline, then? It's not "hypocrisy," because that would indicate a pretense of belief which I don't believe is the case in this situation.
 
2012-07-24 12:19:41 AM
James F. Campbell: eraser8: Basically, it's a kind of psychic discomfort felt when new information conflicts with existing belief.

Cognitive dissonance is the feeling of "discomfort caused by holding conflicting cognitions," then, rather than the incongruity of acting differently from how one believes itself.

Fine. What word or phrase should replace "cognitive dissonance" in the headline, then? It's not "hypocrisy," because that would indicate a pretense of belief which I don't believe is the case in this situation.


Cluelessness.
 
2012-07-24 12:20:57 AM
In other words: what do you call it when people are too stupid experience the cognitive dissonance that they should be experiencing due to a conflict of belief and action?
 
2012-07-24 12:22:08 AM
James F. Campbell: Fine. What word or phrase should replace "cognitive dissonance" in the headline, then? It's not "hypocrisy," because that would indicate a pretense of belief which I don't believe is the case in this situation.

Considering it's about the Romney campaign, I think 'malfunction' or 'short-circuit' would be appropriate.

/no disassemble!
 
2012-07-24 12:22:47 AM
James F. Campbell: Fine. What word or phrase should replace "cognitive dissonance" in the headline, then? It's not "hypocrisy," because that would indicate a pretense of belief which I don't believe is the case in this situation.

It's kinda like a double-standard/projection. The Romney campaign is constantly harping on Obama for violating standards that they themselves voraciously violate every day.
 
2012-07-24 12:24:19 AM
Jim_Callahan: coeyagi: 25 posts in and no ConservaTroll to complain about how this should be dismissed because it's a Kos article? I am disappoint.

Meh, broken clocks and so on. Even a blind pig occasionally stumbles across an acorn.


It's cool, IronTom whined about Kos ruining his grandkid's grandkid's lives or something around post #73.
 
2012-07-24 12:26:30 AM
James F. Campbell: What word or phrase should replace "cognitive dissonance" in the headline, then?

Something I mentioned in my post: Doublethink.

Doublethink "describes the act of simultaneously accepting two mutually contradictory beliefs as correct, often in distinct social contexts. Its opposite is cognitive dissonance, where the two beliefs cause conflict in one's mind."

From George Orwell's 1984, doublethink is described as:
The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies - all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth
 
2012-07-24 12:29:08 AM
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2012-07-24 12:29:55 AM
teeny: James F. Campbell: Fine. What word or phrase should replace "cognitive dissonance" in the headline, then? It's not "hypocrisy," because that would indicate a pretense of belief which I don't believe is the case in this situation.

Considering it's about the Romney campaign, I think 'malfunction' or 'short-circuit' would be appropriate.

/no disassemble!


Invalid pointer reference?
type expected/mismatch?

this can happen alot with Republicans they always return type void when called, no matter what you pass them, or if they're passed anything at all.
 
2012-07-24 12:30:19 AM
Like being an ungrateful child isn't woven into the fabric of America.
 
2012-07-24 12:30:24 AM
teeny: /no disassemble!

Dissembling, however...
 
2012-07-24 12:30:48 AM
Kittypie070: Wow, Brubold, that was ridiculous even for you.

Taxpayer money doesn't come from taxpayers?


How on earth did you get that from what I wrote? I pointed out that small business owners generate more tax money than anyone else. Which means they are responsible for a larger percentage of the money that's used to pay for all these government roads and programs that Obama claims actually are responsible for building their businesses.
 
2012-07-24 12:33:38 AM
eraser8: Doublethink "describes the act of simultaneously accepting two mutually contradictory beliefs as correct, often in distinct social contexts. Its opposite is cognitive dissonance, where the two beliefs cause conflict in one's mind."

Isn't doublethink a willful act? I think we're giving too much credit to conservatives, here. I don't think "doublethink" adequately describes people who are too ignorant to experience cognitive dissonance.
 
2012-07-24 12:33:51 AM
Phil Moskowitz: Like being an ungrateful child isn't woven into the fabric of America.

Goose. gander. sauce. something. lemon. wet. good. Michigan. trees. right. height. enjoy. firing. people.

He's apparently entitled to gorge himself on Word Salad.
 
2012-07-24 12:34:55 AM
elchip: Brubold: Government contractors and a government loan? It's a good thing that the money for those things pours out of the pot of money found at the end of the rainbow emanating from Obama's butt crack and isn't provided by taxpayers like the small business owners Obama says didn't build their businesses. Because it would be extremely silly to say small business owners didn't build their businesses based on help they got from taxpayer funded entities that the small business owners help more than just about anyone else because of the tax revenue they generate for the state and federal governments. As a matter of fact, it would be down right asinine to make that sort of statement.

Just saying.

He said they didn't build ROADS, BRIDGES, AND THE INTERNET. Are you illiterate?


Who paid for those things? Taxpayers right? Who generates more tax money, a typical American that works for someone else or a small business owner? The small business owner does.
 
2012-07-24 12:39:59 AM
Brubold: Who paid for those things? Taxpayers right? Who generates more tax money, a typical American that works for someone else or a small business owner? The small business owner does.

You do realize we live in a collective, right? We all pay for each other's basic sh*t except for the amenities we shower ourselves with, money permitting.

The small business owner pays a share, so do his employees and customers in order to create all the other sh*t that makes his business possible. You know this, right?
 
2012-07-24 12:41:19 AM
Brubold: a small business owner

Hypothetically speaking, how much tax income would a small business owner generate if "typical Americans who work for someone else" suddenly lost their jobs and had no money to buy things from him?

Does the small business owner conjure demons to provide him with gold? Is the small business owner operating a money tree orchard? Does the small business owner live in a vacuum with a portal to the Elemental Plane of American Dollars? No. No, you ignoramus, no. A thousand times no. If every grain of sand in every beach by every ocean in the entire world was the word "No," it still would not reflect how wrong you are.
 
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