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2012-07-24 12:22:28 AM
So vote ...

.

... well, it doesn't really matter which side you're getting farked from, does it?
 
2012-07-24 12:23:37 AM

untaken_name: /taxes are not the problem
//it's the spending



Tax revenue to the government has gone down year after year since Clinton started the balanced budget. Guess what? Debt has shot through the roof
 
2012-07-24 12:24:32 AM

fredklein: YoungLochinvar: All else being equal, you're better off being a straight white male. I think we all agree that shouldn't be the case.

But all else IS NOT EQUAL. And to pretend it is is dishonest.

There have been stories posted here of white males (presumably Straight, too) who have had bad experiences because they grew up in a non-white area. Whites who grow up in minority neighborhoods have the same problems that blacks do in white neighborhoods. It's less 'Whites have an advantage' and more 'the majority has an advantage'. People are used to others people like themselves, and look with... suspicion?... on people who are different.

And, in the USA, the majority happens to be White.


So fark the minority. Sounds like a plan! And if we're just gonna toss out anecdotes and pretend they matter in the least, I lived in a majority-black neighborhood for a while and didn't have a single problem! Not one! Not even when I did stupid shiat like walk home totally drunk at 2am!

No matter what you think, in the USA, being born a straight white male IS an advantage. It's not a magical elixir, no, but why does this reality offend you so much? Maybe you ought to be asking yourself why the mention of reality gets under your skin so badly.
 
2012-07-24 12:25:43 AM

caramba421: Ned Stark: roxtar10870: Taxes = theft... What good Might be done with the stolen money doesn't make it moral.
This guy is an idiot.

So, the government doesn't have the right to dispose goods as it sees fit? And isn't ownership merely an exclusive use contract you have with the government re: certain goods? If the government doesn't have the right to use "your" $20 to finance public works, why does it have a right to keep me from using your beach house?
I would posit that if taxes are theft, then property is theft.
Welcome comrade, always glad to see another commie on fark!

fark yeah. We're having a full-on raging kegger at roxtar10870's house. Feel free to trash the place. He can't call the cops because that would be Big Government Interference™ in the private affairs of citizens who just want to get high on bath salts and trash roxtar10870's place.


The government doesn't have the right to keep you from using my beach house, I have the right to keep you from using my beach house, just as I have no right to any of your stuff without your consent. Further, the government has no 'right' to MY $20, it extorts it from me... If you have a problem with the terms 'theft' or 'coercion' then you obviously are completely blind with regards to the relationship between you and your government.
 
2012-07-24 12:29:59 AM

Villemus Fortis: [images.sodahead.com image 500x416]


Has anyone else mentioned that this (while amusing) is retarded?

Yes? Oh, well. Second.

What is it about "libertarian" types that refuses to admit that we live in a society, and that we are not all just animals competing in some zero-sum game?

Because, really, that mentality is criminal. Sociopathic.
 
2012-07-24 12:34:26 AM

Ned Stark: My taxes ARE to high. The problem is yours are too low.


Here's your missing "o". And don't forget to stay off the farkin' roads that I pay my taxes for.
 
2012-07-24 12:40:23 AM

YoungLochinvar: All of that was actually addressed in the post. So what's your point? All else being equal, you're better off being a straight white male. I think we all agree that shouldn't be the case.


No. Thats only in this country. Go to some other country where they give an advantage to your desired social group.

lizyrd: I have a big problem with private emergency services. Emergency workers are given a great deal of authority. Police officers are given the most, obviously, with the authority to search, seize, detain, arrest, restrain and use deadly force. Fire fighters are given the authority to enter property and restrict access to property. In my state, the senior fire official on an emergency scene is in command, in charge of all cops, EMS workers, or any other agency on scene. In my state, if the fire department is working at a scene, ownership of the property is legally transferred to the fire department for the duration of the incident, and transferred back to the owner once the situation is stabilized. EMS providers have the authority to override a patient's decision to seek medical care if certain criteria are met, essentially taking the person into custody. All three services are given exceptions to certain laws, most notably traffic laws. Stop signs, red lights, one way streets, speed limits and opposing lanes are all negotiable under the proper circumstances.

I argue that only agents of the government should be given the type of authority described above, especially concerning custody of citizens and entrance to property. Allowing a private company that type of power is wrong.


Why is it wrong? They are just making them temporary agents of the government while your house burns down.
 
2012-07-24 12:41:00 AM

roxtar10870: The government doesn't have the right to keep you from using my beach house


Uh, sure they do.

Each successive government is composed of a body of individuals who control and exercise control over political decision-making. Their function is to make and enforce laws and arbitrate conflicts.

Oh, wait, I forgot. LAWS ARE EVIL AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL!

Friggen anarchists, I swear.
 
2012-07-24 12:41:08 AM

Gleeman: Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: intelligent comment below: tjfly: When he invalidates my argument about spending being too high lket me know. In the mean time, am I going to vote for the guy that just raised my taxes and has accumulated a bigger deficit in 3.5 yrs than Bush did in 8? No.

Record decrease in revenues coupled with massive increase in outlays? HURR DURR


The CBO was making up numbers since the late 80's (Reagan may or may not have authorized this in response to the massive fear generated by the recession and housing bust). The chart shows a surplus in late 90's-early 00's when Clinton declared a surplus based on projections that have never been shown accurate. You're looking at a graph of projected projections. It's hand waving and you're showing it off as fact 30 years later. *facepalm*
 
2012-07-24 12:47:11 AM
Maybe a little clarification is in orde for those who vaunt the nobility of taxes:

1. You have no say in how much you're taxed.
2. You have no say in what your taxes pay for.
3. You have no choice but to pay them.

What about any of that sounds fair? What kind of idiot would sign a contract with those terms, let alone defend them as a "social" contract?

Taxes: your patriotic duty or we'll take everything you own and put you in jail. Never you mind that we flush trillions of dollars away on wars that put the nation in more danger than it was before, "invest" in the most poorly-run businesses in history because they're "too big to fail," and foster entire generations of free-riders who are taught in our failed schools, "I am, therefore: F*CKIN' GIMME IT NOW!"
 
2012-07-24 12:49:25 AM

EZ1923: untaken_name: What is the tax rate at which Congress can spend $1.68 for every dollar received and not keep putting us further in debt?

/taxes are not the problem
//it's the spending

Good thing we just invented time travel because the year 2003 really needs to hear that.


I've been saying it since before then. Hell, Ronald Reagan's own farking special committee to investigate the budget crisis said it in the mid-80s. No one who could do anything about it cared to because they were benefiting from it.
 
2012-07-24 12:53:14 AM

intelligent comment below: roxtar10870: All you have to do is ask yourself what the consequences of not paying are in order to see that the money is stolen from each and every one of us. I guess you could split hairs and point out the differences between theft and extorsion but the fact that both involve coersion should suffice.


Try this instead

Go to a restaurant and order their nicest meal

Enjoy it and when the bill comes, walk up and leave

Will they come after you demanding you pay? You should just reply that it's your right as a citizen to use any services you want and not have to pay for it, because paying a bill is THEFT


No dingbat, that would be theft. Theft is immoral.

A more appropriate analogy would be: I come into your home and cook you a meal when I know you're not hungry and try to make you pay for it even though you didn't ask for it and isn't very good anyway. If you resist, I summon all my uniformed, heavily armed friends waiting outside to come in and use force to MAKE you pay.
 
2012-07-24 12:54:33 AM

sendtodave: roxtar10870: The government doesn't have the right to keep you from using my beach house

Uh, sure they do.

Each successive government is composed of a body of individuals who control and exercise control over political decision-making. Their function is to make and enforce laws and arbitrate conflicts.

Oh, wait, I forgot. LAWS ARE EVIL AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL!

Friggen anarchists, I swear.


How does a law stop a person from behaving a certain way?
 
2012-07-24 12:55:32 AM

Lernaeus: What about any of that sounds fair? What kind of idiot would sign a contract with those terms, let alone defend them as a "social" contract?


...

Oh, my brain.

The social contract isn't something that anyone would sign. Because it doesn't come down to any one idiot. It comes down to society. All the idiots. It is a social contract. Social.

All it means is that a government is legitimate as long as society allows it to exist. That's it. Remember, this was a big step up from a government being legitimate because fark you, that's why, God said so.

So, if you can get society to change the government, you can amend the social contract more to your liking! Maybe. Good luck!

Until then, you're just whining that reality isn't fair, and that you don't like living in a society.
 
2012-07-24 12:57:40 AM

untaken_name: How does a law stop a person from behaving a certain way?


sendtodave: Their function is to make and enforce laws and arbitrate conflicts.

to make and enforce laws

enforce


The man.
 
2012-07-24 01:00:37 AM
Don't like taxes? Move to south of the Rio Grande. Of course civil servants won't do shiat for you unless you grease their palms with bribes, BUT IT IS NOT TAXES!

/get real, peeps got to get paid
 
2012-07-24 01:04:06 AM

roxtar10870: intelligent comment below: roxtar10870: All you have to do is ask yourself what the consequences of not paying are in order to see that the money is stolen from each and every one of us. I guess you could split hairs and point out the differences between theft and extorsion but the fact that both involve coersion should suffice.


Try this instead

Go to a restaurant and order their nicest meal

Enjoy it and when the bill comes, walk up and leave

Will they come after you demanding you pay? You should just reply that it's your right as a citizen to use any services you want and not have to pay for it, because paying a bill is THEFT

No dingbat, that would be theft. Theft is immoral.

A more appropriate analogy would be: I come into your home and cook you a meal when I know you're not hungry and try to make you pay for it even though you didn't ask for it and isn't very good anyway. If you resist, I summon all my uniformed, heavily armed friends waiting outside to come in and use force to MAKE you pay.



That's not how taxes work you idiot

You are stealing from society by using all the government services yet refusing to pay for it, and calling the bill the IRS gives you as "stealing"

Go back to trolling somewhere else, your libertarian nonsense is old and tired
 
2012-07-24 01:07:09 AM

sendtodave: The man.


No, that's not an answer. Please describe to me exactly how laws prevent behavior.
 
2012-07-24 01:08:57 AM

intelligent comment below: using all the government services yet refusing to pay for it,


Just out of curiosity, do you really believe that taxes are the only way to pay for services?
 
2012-07-24 01:15:12 AM

SlothB77: Scalzi is oblivious to the fact the private sector can do all of the things the public sector can do - and more efficiently


If those things will make money for the company doing it, otherwise they will not do them at all. If the only way money can be made by the private sector taking on a role is by receiving the funding that would have paid for the public version then the private sector will in fact charge more and deliver less, the difference being taken out in profit.
 
2012-07-24 01:15:49 AM

untaken_name: sendtodave: The man.

No, that's not an answer. Please describe to me exactly how laws prevent behavior.


In general? By assigning penalties for harmful behavior, and by vesting power in the government, as a higher (and sometimes, hopefully, objective) third party, to enforce those penalties. Or, to arbitrate disputes, if we're talking civil law.
 
2012-07-24 01:16:49 AM

elysive: namatad: RehcamretsneF:

So, what's the moral of the story? I'm supposed to close my eyes and write Obama a blank check so he can do whatever he wants with my tax money and he can set tax rates to whatever levels he deems necessary just because some guy benefited from some programs decades ago? Even if I or my business are benefiting from government programs, as a taxpayer I should still get a vote/a say in how the money is spent and who is spending the money.

I like social services and have benefited from a few myself. Thanks to grants and federal loans, not a generous grandpa, I went to UofC too. I don't see why the logical conclusion is that all current taxes and all current implementations of social programs are great and why everyone should kiss the government's Obama's ass. I worked for a state government using federal funds and it was a mess. It doesn't seem unreasonable to ask governments t ...

/not sure why else O could have made his poorly worded statement except to try to guilt people or, more specifically, business owners into tolerating higher taxes...but I applaud everyone for taking this topic into wide tangents


WE GET IT ALREADY, HE'S BLACK
 
2012-07-24 01:20:36 AM

gaspode: SlothB77: Scalzi is oblivious to the fact the private sector can do all of the things the public sector can do - and more efficiently

If those things will make money for the company doing it, otherwise they will not do them at all.


Bingo. The primary goal of the profit motive is profit. It isn't social well being. If social well being happens, great! If not, well, did we still make money? Great!

Sometimes (often) private enterprise is more efficient than the public sector, but it can not even claim to serve "the people" first.
 
2012-07-24 01:22:22 AM

YoungLochinvar: So fark the minority. Sounds like a plan!


No one (except you) said that. In fact, whites have given* minorities Affirmative Action. That alone more than compensates for any advantage whites have. It's like an Orc biatching about an Elf's + 5 to archery (which increases the chance to hit by a small percentage), and being given a magic bow that guarantees a critical hit half the time. Then the Orc continues to biatch about Elven privilege....

*because whites control everything, right?

And if we're just gonna toss out anecdotes and pretend they matter in the least, I lived in a majority-black neighborhood for a while and didn't have a single problem! Not one! Not even when I did stupid shiat like walk home totally drunk at 2am!

And there are some blacks who can (and have) walk home drunk (in a "white" neighborhood) without being beaten by StormFront followers. What's your point?

No matter what you think, in the USA, being born a straight white male IS an advantage.

Sure, like an Elf having +5 to archery. But a non-Elf who puts all their training points into archery will kick the ass of an Elf who simply glides along on their "advantage".

And a non-white who works hard will surpass the whites who don't.

It's not a magical elixir, no,

Then why treat it as such?? Yes, a runner who starts 10 feet (or 100 for that matter) in front of the starting line has an advantage over the other marathon runners. But a runner who trains hard and tries hard can easily make up that lead during the race. An early lead does not the race make. So why do you make such a big deal of it?

but why does this reality offend you so much?

It offends me to be blamed for something

1) I had no choice in
2) I have no control over
and 3) I cannot change.

Being White is an advantage... in some cases. It is a disadvantage in others. Being non-white is the same- advantageous sometimes, dis-advantageous sometimes. As a StaightWhiteMale, I cannot cry 'sexism', 'racism', or 'discrimination', to get what I want.

"Don't waste your time on jealousy; sometimes you're ahead, sometimes
you're behind...the race is long, and in the end, it's only with yourself."

/wear sunscreen
 
2012-07-24 01:29:03 AM

sendtodave: Until then, you're just whining that reality isn't fair, and that you don't like living in a society.


To be fair, he doesn't like living in THIS society.

intelligent comment below: You are stealing from society by using all the government services yet refusing to pay for it, and calling the bill the IRS gives you as "stealing"


Government services like starting wars on the other side of the planet?

I think the point is, many people don't want "services" like that. Hence the analogy of "cook[ing] you a meal when I know you're not hungry and try to make you pay for it even though you didn't ask for it".
 
2012-07-24 01:42:48 AM

Villemus Fortis: [images.sodahead.com image 500x416]


The fact that you posted this and think it makes any sense whatsoever, even in the most tortured convoluted way, proves you are as dumb as a bag of hammers, have no sense (common or otherwise), and your misapprehension of anything resembling humanity makes you unfit to consume the same air the rest of us do.
 
2012-07-24 01:47:40 AM

fredklein: To be fair, he doesn't like living in THIS society.


Fair enough.

i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-07-24 01:52:33 AM

Rincewind53: RichieLaw: citation needed.jpeg
vpb: Really? What was that about?

I'm guessing gerrymander is just upset that Scalzi wrote a very good article called "Straight White Male: The Lowest Difficulty Setting There Is" and he disagrees with the concept, even though the article is 100% correct, 0% racist, and very well-written.


OK, as much as I hate taxes, I was kinda onboard with him here until I read the above link. And what a load of bullshiat IT is. I would rather be any number of combinations these days rather than what I am, a straight white male.
 
2012-07-24 01:55:38 AM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: WE GET IT ALREADY, HE'S BLACK


That's the only response you have is to bring up his race? Sorry to break it to you, but there are plenty of valid reasons to dislike Obama. I was hoping a Democrat and lawyer of constitutional law would be more civil-rights minded and less interested in military engagements than Bush but I was painfully disappointed.

/I'm not voting for some jerk who wants to overturn Roe v Wade either, but Obama should squirm and he should have a very tough election.
 
2012-07-24 02:29:22 AM

roxtar10870: A more appropriate analogy would be: I come into your home and cook you a meal when I know you're not hungry and try to make you pay for it even though you didn't ask for it and isn't very good anyway. If you resist, I summon all my uniformed, heavily armed friends waiting outside to come in and use force to MAKE you pay.


What's rotten about the present system is there is no way for people like you to get the freedom you richly deserve.
 
2012-07-24 02:57:22 AM

sendtodave: untaken_name: sendtodave: The man.

No, that's not an answer. Please describe to me exactly how laws prevent behavior.

In general? By assigning penalties for harmful behavior, and by vesting power in the government, as a higher (and sometimes, hopefully, objective) third party, to enforce those penalties. Or, to arbitrate disputes, if we're talking civil law.


None of that has anything to do with preventing behavior. How does the punishment for breaking a law apply before the law is broken?
 
2012-07-24 03:01:12 AM

Russky: tooeasy: raising taxes in economic downturns generally isn't wise, but they'll do what they're going to do

Giving tax breaks at a time of war isn't wise either but that' didn't stop anyone did it.


Yeah, someone did something stupid, so it justifies doing another stupid thing
 
2012-07-24 03:01:19 AM

gibbon1: roxtar10870: A more appropriate analogy would be: I come into your home and cook you a meal when I know you're not hungry and try to make you pay for it even though you didn't ask for it and isn't very good anyway. If you resist, I summon all my uniformed, heavily armed friends waiting outside to come in and use force to MAKE you pay.

What's rotten about the present system is there is no way for people like you to get the freedom you richly deserve.


That's not true. The Amish aren't complaining about government interference. At least, not as much as non-Amish are. They also don't (in general) have contracts with the government like social security, driver's license, business licenses, etc. I wonder if there's any connection there.
 
2012-07-24 03:05:43 AM
What a long winded farking blowhard. I got to the second paragraph and already wished the author was watching a midnight showing of Batman in Colorado with front row seats.
 
2012-07-24 03:45:38 AM

untaken_name: intelligent comment below: using all the government services yet refusing to pay for it,

Just out of curiosity, do you really believe that taxes are the only way to pay for services?



No, you can go off the map, live off the land, and barter for any services or goods you need. Feel free to setup your own wild west town somewhere in the middle of nowhere.
 
2012-07-24 03:47:35 AM

fredklein: Government services like starting wars on the other side of the planet?

I think the point is, many people don't want "services" like that. Hence the analogy of "cook[ing] you a meal when I know you're not hungry and try to make you pay for it even though you didn't ask for it".



Welcome to Democracy?

You don't like what the government does, you vote in representatives who try to change that.

Otherwise you pay the tax man based on how much you earn.

I know, it's a horrible living. So oppressive.
 
2012-07-24 03:48:14 AM

crispyone: What a long winded farking blowhard. I got to the second paragraph and already wished the author was watching a midnight showing of Batman in Colorado with front row seats.



Wow, this is quite disturbing. You should seek mental help asap
 
2012-07-24 03:54:44 AM

intelligent comment below: untaken_name: intelligent comment below: using all the government services yet refusing to pay for it,

Just out of curiosity, do you really believe that taxes are the only way to pay for services?


No, you can go off the map, live off the land, and barter for any services or goods you need. Feel free to setup your own wild west town somewhere in the middle of nowhere.


So you're admitting in a public forum that you don't know about user fees? That's both very brave and very ignorant of you.
 
2012-07-24 03:57:57 AM

untaken_name: That's not true. The Amish aren't complaining about government interference. At least, not as much as non-Amish are. They also don't (in general) have contracts with the government like social security, driver's license, business licenses, etc. I wonder if there's any connection there.


Amish pay taxes like everyone else, excepting social security, excepting when they take ordinary jobs outside their communities, in which case they do. And government regulations do apply to them. I suspect the difference is the Amish in general are bought up with the attitude that petty whining is unseemly. Whining on the internets for various reasons is right out.

Certainly does seem like spoiled whining to piss and moan about paying taxes, even more so to piss and moan about people considerably well off having to pay taxes, to a government that historically appears to bend over backwards to accommodate people such as the Amish.
 
2012-07-24 04:05:50 AM

gibbon1: untaken_name: That's not true. The Amish aren't complaining about government interference. At least, not as much as non-Amish are. They also don't (in general) have contracts with the government like social security, driver's license, business licenses, etc. I wonder if there's any connection there.

Amish pay taxes like everyone else, excepting social security, excepting when they take ordinary jobs outside their communities, in which case they do. And government regulations do apply to them. I suspect the difference is the Amish in general are bought up with the attitude that petty whining is unseemly. Whining on the internets for various reasons is right out.

Certainly does seem like spoiled whining to piss and moan about paying taxes, even more so to piss and moan about people considerably well off having to pay taxes, to a government that historically appears to bend over backwards to accommodate people such as the Amish.


The Amish don't, as a rule, pay income tax. This is because they aren't, as a rule, defined as "taxpayers" according to the US Code, and thus they aren't required to. Government regulations only apply to them if they enter into a government-regulated enterprise. This should be obvious, but since most people can't conceive of an existence with no participation in government-regulated enterprises, they don't believe that it's even possible. However, there are about 14 million Americans who don't have social security numbers, don't pay income tax, and are not eligible for the benefits of taxpayers. I'm not saying their way is superior - I'm saying it's fair. They don't pay taxes, and they don't get welfare and other benefits that taxpayers receive. I was simply responding to the allegation that there is no way to live without paying taxes, or that if you DO live without paying taxes you're necessarily leeching services that taxes pay for. That's just not reality. It is POSSIBLE to steal the benefits of a taxpayer without being one, true, but it's also possible to live without stealing AND without paying taxes or receiving their benefits. That's all I was saying. I'm not making a value judgement about what people should or should not do.
 
2012-07-24 04:07:25 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-24 04:10:54 AM
thnksqrd 2012-07-23 08:49:19 PM

[paraphrased: Gee, all them ghettoblax reproducing at a stewpid rate!]
"Ain't you gonna use a rubber baby?"


i.imgur.com

/runs out of thread screaming
//please try not to fark the commas again :3
 
2012-07-24 04:12:42 AM

Villemus Fortis: [images.sodahead.com image 500x416]


Hm... what's the best response to this pile of stupid?

"shiat, we're giving food stamps to bears now?"
or
"I missed the part where we were creating national parks for all the poor and underachievers, and giving them the physical attributes of animals to survive in the wild. Can I call dibs on a park in SoCal and some flippers? You should come too, you'd look better with a literal blowhole."
or
"The reason you don't want wild animals to become dependent on humans is that they end up dying when winter comes around. We give out food stamps to humans so they *don't* die when winter comes around."
 
2012-07-24 04:26:35 AM

Tumunga: Carlo Spicy-Wiener: I am a white, cis-gendered, heterosexual, gainfully employed, male citizen of the United States.

I do not know what it's like to be oppressed.Just out of the Army in 1986, applied to be a policeman in Indianapolis. Was told by the person taking the applications at the City-County building, "If you're not black, or a woman, you're wasting your time. They're not going to hire you."

I do not know what it's like to be persecuted.

I do not know what it's like to be in fear for my life. Was chased out of Willard Park in Indianapolis by a group of knife wielding blacks for attempting to play basketball while being white.

I do not know what it's like to have to fight for my rights.

I do not know what it's like to struggle for recognition. I could banter on this subject for not having my good work noticed, etc., but this one sounds llike someone is crying a little too much

I do not know what it's like to go without food or shelter. Lived at no less than 10 different addresses while growing up. I remember stretches of living in the station wagon, and being dropped off at school for days at a time while my cash strapped parents were trying to find a place to live. One thanksgiving, all my mom had in the kitchen was a loaf of bread, some sugar, and some butter. We had fried toast with sugar on it, because that was a farkin' treat for us.

and NOT ONCE did my parents go on the dole from the government.

THAT is what "guilt ridden rich libtard white privelage" means.

I hate stupid libtard phuqs. Not you regular libtards, but the ones that think I should feel guilty for being who I am. Walk in my "white privilaged" shoes for a bit, then think about the stupid list you came up with.


You should track down Scalzi's privilege post, instead of getting upset at the paraphrasings here - unless you think the average Fark user is a better writer than a guy who writes so well both Glenn Reynolds and Cory Doctorow (I tried to find another issue where both of them agreed on something and I'm only finding unsourced references and secondhand allusions) recommend his book.
 
2012-07-24 04:30:41 AM

untaken_name: So you're admitting in a public forum that you don't know about user fees? That's both very brave and very ignorant of you.



So you're admitting in a public forum that you have no idea how real cities actually work? That's very brave and very ignorant of you. Very.
 
2012-07-24 04:37:07 AM

intelligent comment below: untaken_name: So you're admitting in a public forum that you don't know about user fees? That's both very brave and very ignorant of you.


So you're admitting in a public forum that you have no idea how real cities actually work? That's very brave and very ignorant of you. Very.


Gee, you're right. There aren't ANY user fees involved in running a city. Herp derpy do. Do you ever actually understand anything about anything you post about? It sure doesn't seem like it.
 
2012-07-24 04:37:50 AM

fredklein: YoungLochinvar: (...snip...)


Generally, nicely put. Notably:

* a non-Elf who puts all their training points into archery will kick the ass of an Elf who simply glides along on their "advantage".
* a non-white who works hard will surpass the whites who don't.
* An early lead does not the race make


And this gets a 'THIS!' -- "It offends me to be blamed for something 1) I had no choice in 2) I have no control over and 3) I cannot change." I might only add 4) I didn't stop you from doing.

\ Had a spiffy forearm-mounted crossbow for my L23 Theif/Assassin (human). It was blessed by a true neutral Cleric of Elfwind to have +6 to hit. It only did max of 2d4 by itself, but could deliver a mean payload.

\\ Had dual mechanisms to allow for carrying 2 bolts locked and cocked.

\\\ Soooo long ago... years before they put the 'A' in AD&D!

/ Keeping him alive for 23 levels was none too easy with 10 STR and 6 CHR**. Guess that's what TFA and you both seem to be saying??

** Art imitates life? lol
 
2012-07-24 04:54:43 AM
Sorry, America, but the lowest setting is now ASIAN MALE, and (nothing personal, fine Asian gay fellas) sexual preference does not factor into it nearly as much if you're Asian.

450ish posts of fail.
 
2012-07-24 04:56:55 AM

OgreMagi: Because blaming "white privilege" makes is acceptable to not take responsibility for your own actions.

You are correct. It is not my problem.


Huh, and here I thought that maybe the fact that, for any kind of crime you can name, the chance of a black defendant being convicted versus a white defendant, or of a black's sentence being higher than a white's for the same crime - which is a pattern that's held steady for, I dunno, 150 years? - might have contributed to the fact that a disproportionate number of black men and women are rather blase about single-parent households.


And consider this: no one named you as personally responsible for these problems, but you take any discussion of society's failings as a personal attack. You've projected that much of your own beliefs and self-worth onto how you perceive American culture and society. There are pretty much only two possibilities for how that's possible: you either have an insanely overgrown ego and are a clinical narcissist who needs medication and therapy; or, you've lived a life of such unchallenged privilege that your idea of not just "normal" but "bare minimum" is vastly out of line with other people's.


And that's all Scalzi's point was. Show a little humility and grace.
 
2012-07-24 05:15:07 AM

Wangiss: Sorry, America, but the lowest setting is now ASIAN MALE, and (nothing personal, fine Asian gay fellas) sexual preference does not factor into it nearly as much if you're Asian.

450ish posts of fail.


Nah, dude. Nah.

Asian guys have to work their butts off to prove themselves.

Hell, white guys have an easier go of it even in Asia.

/waiguoren in China
 
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