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2012-07-23 08:42:37 PM  

RehcamretsneF: This subby obviously didnt read the article.

Apart from being on welfare, taxes did nothing for this man. He was handpicked for his talents and abilities all through life, and spent this article thanking people for it. PEOPLE. not TAXES. TIME and value placed upon people without a pricetag, is what got him where he is. IDK what the subby was implying... thinking taxes all of a sudden makes it a "level playing ground" for all the other worthless kids? sorry, quite the opposite. maybe one person in america will be wholly helped by the tax concessions of this man. Everything else is a waste, and makes it worse for everyone else. System is broken. He got lucky.


HI
Subby here.
UM
I read the article and I understood the article.

1) taxes paid for his birth and healthcare on and off
2) taxes paid for hist first 8 years of education
3) taxes paid for food stamps and school lunches
4) private high school - fine - technically no taxes there, except that education is tax deductible ...
5) taxes paid for his pell grants

so yah, taxes were a giant part of helping him in his life.
 
2012-07-23 08:43:48 PM  

Barbecue Bob: Barak Obama=Black and rich
Tiger Woods=Black and rich.
BBQBob= White and not rich.

This invalidates everything said here!


ITS ALL SO CLEAR NOW!
 
2012-07-23 08:43:55 PM  

bunner: Taxes is where rich people take money from poor people and put it into a pool to pay for things that rich people and poor people both use and need. It's a volume business and so far, unless they find away to initiate a 200% tax rate, it's all just going down a black hole located inside a checkbook with a negative balance that would make Croesus swoon. Light hearted anecdotal stories are a good read, but the system is fundamentally broken and the money is imaginary. You have to make stuff for your money to have value and if your money has no value, your taxes are just moving more debt in one direction. That direction is down. That debt is then harvested and utilized as a lever to move more wealth upward. The money is a mass delusion.


I think the middle class carries most of the tax burden...in which case you do a disservice by going after small business owners. When I was "poor" or making sub $30k, the govt hardly asked for any $ from me... Now my partner and I pay a ridiculous amount in taxes. I guess we're some of those dumb "non-poor" schmucks who haven't learned the loopholes yet...unless there really are no tax loopholes for upper middle class people.

Interestingly, if the 175 million ppl who filed tax returns all contributed a minimum of $300, measly amount that it is (or even some hundred bucks as an annual contribution), it seems the fed's budget would be in better shape.
 
2012-07-23 08:45:31 PM  
Wow. Was that a filibuster?

Incredibly boring.
 
2012-07-23 08:49:19 PM  

OgreMagi: ph0rk: And when one group systematically gets a worse hand, generation after generation? Let me guess: not your problem?

Inner city blacks have a teenage pregnancy rate that is of epidemic proportions. Fatherless households are becoming the norm. Economic hardship is increases as a result. This isn't some horror caused by roving bands of privileged whites raping young black girls. This is black men farking black woman without protection and not being responsible. Why? Because blaming "white privilege" makes is acceptable to not take responsibility for your own actions.
You are correct. It is not my problem./i&g


"Ain't you gonna use a rubber baby?"

"HELL NO! Cause White Privilege!"
 
2012-07-23 08:49:59 PM  

gerrymander: Prof. Ann Marion: gerrymander: Vlad_the_Inaner: Giving 'Thanks' at Thanksgiving is EXACTLY about being aware of what you've got, privileges included, and feeling good about it. Feeling good about that wouldn't diminish anyone.

I disagree. When a person speaks for himself (or as part of a self-inclusive group, such as a family Thanksgiving per your example, or a church congregation) about being aware of privileges, it can be humbling without being diminishing.

When a person speaks to others about their need to be aware of privilege, without identifying as part of that group, it is intended as a brickbat -- always and every time, in my experience. ...

[preceptaustin.org image 400x458]
/wants a word with you...

Did you miss the the bit about "church congregation"? Jesus teaching to his followers -- note the possessive -- is pretty much the archetypical example of the "inclusive" type.

What I'm looking for is one example -- just one! -- by anyone who writes about privilege who concludes that having it is thing worth merit. Because odds are if it exists, I'll have more by that author to read, as well as commentary for and against.


Set down the goal post for a second, m'dear, and let me tell you a short story. That Christ guy didn't actually have a church at the time, he was a Jew bucking the establishment of the Synagogues and Romans - he was talking to whomever would listen.

...ok, continue, remember to lift with your legs not your back...
 
2012-07-23 08:51:49 PM  

Ambitwistor: /remaining "taxation is theft" nonsense snipped


You know how I know you have zero reading comprehension? I never said taxation is theft. I said that taxing the productive for charity is theft. I also pointed out, indirectly, that impoverishing the middle class through confiscatory taxation has not demonstrably improved the rate of poverty in this country. That's not nonsense, that's a fact.

Taxing for the common welfare, such as defense, roads and bridges, etc. is a good and proper function of government. Charity for some at the expense of others has accomplished nothing but a federal debt equal to our GDP.
 
2012-07-23 08:52:35 PM  

YoungLochinvar: Did you READ that second study? You know, that showed how WHITE MEN get far more responses than any other men?


Both studies show the same thing, when reduced along gender lines from the standpoint of privilege: women have it in extraordinary amounts, based upon the ratio of interest to responses. Which means Scalzi's "easy mode" metaphor doesn't apply for mate selection. May I trust that you see exactly how huge a gaping hole that puts into the metaphor?
 
2012-07-23 08:53:37 PM  

elysive: I guess we're some of those dumb "non-poor" schmucks


Considering our high standard of living and the fact that it's all leveraged on debt, malarkey, market manipulation and corporate hooery, I'd say that's most of us.
 
2012-07-23 08:55:32 PM  

Mr. Right: Charity for some at the expense of others has accomplished nothing but a federal debt equal to our GDP.


I will bet you fourteen trillion dollars that that is not the sole source of our debt. : )
 
2012-07-23 08:57:35 PM  

Prof. Ann Marion: That Christ guy didn't actually have a church at the time, he was a Jew bucking the establishment of the Synagogues and Romans - he was talking to whomever would listen.


...and not at people who weren't -- which is my point.
 
2012-07-23 08:59:54 PM  

Monongahela Misfit: MyRandomName: I love this strawman liberals are setting up to defend Obama. Nobody is arguing success happens in a vacuum. The argument is what is responsible for a successful business. A lot of hard work goes into creating a business, the government does not get to say they are mostly responsible for that as Obama implies. Taking a long reading of Obama's inference, everyone would be successful merely because roads exist. That is not the case whatsoever. Individuals utilize public shares to the best of their capacity. The web we know today would not exist without capitalists improving on the darpanet infrastructure.

If Obama wants credit for all successful business, he has to take credit for business that fails as well. For every road that allowed the transport of good there is a regulation that made the market to costly for some to enter; whether it is eminent domain, costly regulations, cost of licensing (hair dressers), etc. Government can help or hinder a business. But it takes an individual to CREATE the business, not government. That is what Obama said wrong, individuals do create business.

This!
Scalzi may have missed the point in his well reasoned article. You did not. Bravo, and thanks.



Account created: 2012-06-21 06:30:45
 
2012-07-23 09:00:41 PM  

gerrymander: Ow, something popped!.


Here...

hernia-supports.webs.com
 
2012-07-23 09:02:43 PM  

jcooli09: roxtar10870: Taxes = theft... What good Might be done with the stolen money doesn't make it moral.
This guy is an idiot.
Taxes aren't theft, and if think they are you are clearly stupid.


All you have to do is ask yourself what the consequences of not paying are in order to see that the money is stolen from each and every one of us. I guess you could split hairs and point out the differences between theft and extorsion but the fact that both involve coersion should suffice.
 
2012-07-23 09:04:08 PM  

bunner: elysive: I guess we're some of those dumb "non-poor" schmucks

Considering our high standard of living and the fact that it's all leveraged on debt, malarkey, market manipulation and corporate hooery, I'd say that's most of us.


I thought you said "Taxes is where rich people take money from poor people...It's a volume business". Where are all those poor people who are carrying the Federal budget?
 
2012-07-23 09:09:07 PM  

elysive: bunner: elysive: I guess we're some of those dumb "non-poor" schmucks

Considering our high standard of living and the fact that it's all leveraged on debt, malarkey, market manipulation and corporate hooery, I'd say that's most of us.

I thought you said "Taxes is where rich people take money from poor people...It's a volume business". Where are all those poor people who are carrying the Federal budget?


Unless you're clocking about 100mm a year or so with tons of liquidity, I'd say both of us qualify. Poor ain't what it used to be and rich is a very small club. If you roll up your sleeves for a living and get dirty fingernails, you might have the mortgage or the rent and a full fridge, but a casual look at inflation and wealth migration over the last 40 years should remove any doubt that you're farting through silk. Poor doesn't mean "beating your washing on a rock and eating stone soup", anymore.
 
2012-07-23 09:09:41 PM  

elysive: bunner: elysive: I guess we're some of those dumb "non-poor" schmucks

Considering our high standard of living and the fact that it's all leveraged on debt, malarkey, market manipulation and corporate hooery, I'd say that's most of us.

I thought you said "Taxes is where rich people take money from poor people...It's a volume business". Where are all those poor people who are carrying the Federal budget?


*raises hand*
 
2012-07-23 09:10:01 PM  
I joined the military to pay for college. Did I pay for that or did the government? Seems mutually beneficial as like everything else between business and infrastructure.
 
2012-07-23 09:11:03 PM  
remove any doubt that you're not, rather.
 
2012-07-23 09:11:10 PM  

bunner: elysive: bunner: elysive: I guess we're some of those dumb "non-poor" schmucks

Considering our high standard of living and the fact that it's all leveraged on debt, malarkey, market manipulation and corporate hooery, I'd say that's most of us.

I thought you said "Taxes is where rich people take money from poor people...It's a volume business". Where are all those poor people who are carrying the Federal budget?

Unless you're clocking about 100mm a year or so with tons of liquidity, I'd say both of us qualify. Poor ain't what it used to be and rich is a very small club. If you roll up your sleeves for a living and get dirty fingernails, you might have the mortgage or the rent and a full fridge, but a casual look at inflation and wealth migration over the last 40 years should remove any doubt that you're farting through silk. Poor doesn't mean "beating your washing on a rock and eating stone soup", anymore.


Really?

I'm still waiting for you to buy one of my paintings, man. Price just went up. ;)
 
2012-07-23 09:12:22 PM  

serial_crusher: Our excessive military budget is one of the few things the teabaggers are OK paying taxes for.


That's because they don't mind so much paying someone to go do some work. It's the paying someone to do nothing, or to grow nothing, that puts tea panties in a bind.
 
2012-07-23 09:13:59 PM  

Indubitably: I'm still waiting for you to buy one of my paintings, man. Price just went up. ;)


All my money is presently invested heavily into real estate, oil and agriculture. Rent, gas and food. Get back to me. : )
 
2012-07-23 09:14:36 PM  

imgod2u: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence[note 1] and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.


Thank you for proving my point. Congress does have the right to lay taxes and it is the duty of every productive citizen to pay those taxes. But I don't think you know what general Welfare means. It means that the federal expenditure must benefit all equally. Welfare never referred to the public dole or charity until FDR. So, a road project for which taxes are laid benefits everyone equally. A common defense benefits everyone equally. A welfare program that is restricted to mothers not married to the father of their children benefits only a small segment of society at the expense of everyone who does take responsibility for their children. A farm program that pays certain farmers to not raise corn benefits a very small segment of society at the expense of everyone who wasn't going to raise corn in the first place. Your quote also calls for taxes to be laid equally across all the states. When some states get exemptions from the Affordable Care Act but others do not, is that equal? Especially given that SCOTUS has called ACA a tax?

There is nothing wrong with taxes, provided they really are used for the GENERAL welfare. Public charity was never the intent of the framers. Private charity was not only the intent, but is viewed as a mandate. The parable from Matthew (in the Bible) about feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, etc., is a mandate for charity but the sense of the mandate is always singular, not plural. You (plural) are not mandated to be charitable, YOU (singular) are. And taking from some only to give to a few others is decidedly not the intent of the framers of the Constitution.
 
2012-07-23 09:17:41 PM  

bunner: elysive: bunner: elysive: I guess we're some of those dumb "non-poor" schmucks

Considering our high standard of living and the fact that it's all leveraged on debt, malarkey, market manipulation and corporate hooery, I'd say that's most of us.

I thought you said "Taxes is where rich people take money from poor people...It's a volume business". Where are all those poor people who are carrying the Federal budget?

Unless you're clocking about 100mm a year or so with tons of liquidity, I'd say both of us qualify. Poor ain't what it used to be and rich is a very small club. If you roll up your sleeves for a living and get dirty fingernails, you might have the mortgage or the rent and a full fridge, but a casual look at inflation and wealth migration over the last 40 years should remove any doubt that you're farting through silk. Poor doesn't mean "beating your washing on a rock and eating stone soup", anymore.


I don't feel like arguing with you terminology of middle class versus lower class versus poor, but given that there is a huge wealth disparity between the "rich" or 1% and the "rest of us", it's still totally massively okay to raise taxes on people who make $250k though, right??? That wasn't, like, a dickish thing for the current administration to do because of course those 250k people are slightly less poor and deserve to pay a higher tax rate than everyone else, right? It sure seems safer than forcing the actual rich people to pay anything at all.

/would support a flat tax rate and obliteration of complex tax law that allows for people to slip in and out of loopholes
//and upon further consideration i do think there is a difference between the kind of poor that is living on credit and from paycheck to paycheck versus being comfortable (or not even needing a dual income household), but you're correct that most Americans aren't filthy rich and don't fall into that "rich" 1%
 
2012-07-23 09:21:32 PM  

Mr. Right: Ambitwistor: /remaining "taxation is theft" nonsense snipped

You know how I know you have zero reading comprehension? I never said taxation is theft. I said that taxing the productive for charity is theft.


Right. "Taxation is theft" nonsense.
 
2012-07-23 09:23:21 PM  

bunner: Mr. Right: Charity for some at the expense of others has accomplished nothing but a federal debt equal to our GDP.

I will bet you fourteen trillion dollars that that is not the sole source of our debt. : )


No, but it is the leading contributor. We have spent more on entitlements than any other expenditure. And the federal debt is much closer to $16 trillion. Bear in mind that that does not include state debt in the form of bonds and other instruments (since all 50 states must balance their budgets, they don't have debt the way the feds do) or municipal debt for every city, county, township, and school district that carries bonds of any sort. It also does not account for the unfunded liabilities that will accrue for all of those entitlements. I have heard estimates north of $50 trillion just for SS and Medicare. Of course, if everyone over the age of 62 were to drop dead tomorrow, we could save a lot of money and solve a lot of problems. That's not the way to bet, however, nor is it to be desired.
 
2012-07-23 09:26:52 PM  

Diogenes The Cynic: vpb: It's a great article, but I think most of the anti tax types could write a similar article if they were honest (and literate) enough.

You can't run a business without infrastructure to transport goods and services, a legal system and police to keep people from taking your product instead of paying for it, a currency so you can have commerce without having to barter, and lots more along that line.
.

And yet the Silk Road was built over a thousand years ago, without any of the things you mentioned.


You know how I know you aren't exactly a student of history?
 
2012-07-23 09:29:38 PM  
Great. Scalzi can pay his taxes and mine too since he seems OK with taxes. Something tells me that if I sent him my tax bill, he would just toss it instead of helping me out.
 
2012-07-23 09:29:57 PM  

Ambitwistor: Right. "Taxation is theft" nonsense.


None are so blind as those who refuse to see. None so intractable as the adamantly ignorant.

You are invited to participate in aeronautical intercourse with a mobile, perforated, oblate, deep-fried pastry spheroid.
 
2012-07-23 09:31:45 PM  

Mr. Right: Ambitwistor: Right. "Taxation is theft" nonsense.

None are so blind as those who refuse to see.


I understand your views about taxes and "charity". I simply think they're nonsense. Capiche?
 
2012-07-23 09:32:00 PM  

Slives: I spent most of it waiting for a punchline.
If you take it seriously, you can see how many steps it took for him to become successful, and how many other people where involved or at least supportive of his rise. If you think he was being sarcastic, then it seems he overdid it and proved he is not as successful as he is claiming to be.

Still not sure which way he was really going.


Ah FARK where the poor are always underprivileged and alone, yet the successful had all the help we ever need.

Good to know some things will never let you down.
 
2012-07-23 09:32:31 PM  

pxlboy: SlothB77: Scalzi is oblivious to the fact the private sector can do all of the things the public sector can do - and more efficiently. Instead of paying high taxes now that will be redistributed by government, he could donate his money through private charities to achieve the same ends. And probably more efficiently.

Not everything needs to be done for a profit motive.


Hippies and James T Kirk don't need money. The rest do.
 
2012-07-23 09:33:48 PM  

Tumunga: THAT is what "guilt ridden rich libtard white privelage" means.

I hate stupid libtard phuqs. Not you regular libtards, but the ones that think I should feel guilty for being who I am. Walk in my "white privilaged" shoes for a bit, then think about the stupid list you came up with.



None of your ignorant and racist rant had anything to do with you not having barriers to an education and job because you are white.

Your idea of oppression is being run out of a park because you wanted to play basketball then you might be an idiot
 
2012-07-23 09:33:59 PM  

Ambitwistor: I understand your views about taxes and "charity". I simply think they're nonsense. Capiche?


And that's how I know you are adamantly ignorant of the founding principles of the United States and the Constitution. Capiche?
 
2012-07-23 09:35:22 PM  

elysive: it's still totally massively okay to raise taxes on people who make $250k though, right?


What on earth gave you that idea?

elysive: It sure seems safer than forcing the actual rich people to pay anything at all.


You've just figured out the precise point at which the game is rigged. : ) Politics is the business of saying who gets to keep what and why without getting strung up.
 
2012-07-23 09:40:28 PM  

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: I am a white, cis-gendered, heterosexual, gainfully employed, male citizen of the United States.
I do not know what it's like to be oppressed.
I do not know what it's like to be persecuted.
I do not know what it's like to be in fear for my life.
I do not know what it's like to have to fight for my rights.
I do not know what it's like to struggle for recognition.
I do not know what it's like to go without food or shelter.

THAT is what "white privelage" means.


Except when you get laid off (without food or shelter & possibly fearing for your life) because your gainful employment has shut down and been outsourced to some Exotic Foreign Land; And since you're not wealthy or connected, you and your fellow layoffs are roundly ignored (not recognized) by the legislature that might have prevented that out-source; Rights? Well, you're no longer a home owner, and you don't really have a place of residence so before we can talk about anything other than "the cops can't just shoot you" rights, why don't you go be homeless and smelly somewhere else. Oh, you're depressed now, without medical treatment, unable to get any kind of help because you're the least interesting demographic, (ie. male, white, no kids), and there's no special interest charity looking out for you, you will know most, if not all of those things in a big hurry. And forget about any kind of mental illness you should suffer once you lose health insurance if you're single, unemployed, white guy.

Or was this a troll and now I have a hook in my mouth.
 
2012-07-23 09:42:03 PM  

namatad: RehcamretsneF: This subby obviously didnt read the article.

Apart from being on welfare, taxes did nothing for this man. He was handpicked for his talents and abilities all through life, and spent this article thanking people for it. PEOPLE. not TAXES. TIME and value placed upon people without a pricetag, is what got him where he is. IDK what the subby was implying... thinking taxes all of a sudden makes it a "level playing ground" for all the other worthless kids? sorry, quite the opposite. maybe one person in america will be wholly helped by the tax concessions of this man. Everything else is a waste, and makes it worse for everyone else. System is broken. He got lucky.

HI
Subby here.
UM
I read the article and I understood the article.

1) taxes paid for his birth and healthcare on and off
2) taxes paid for hist first 8 years of education
3) taxes paid for food stamps and school lunches
4) private high school - fine - technically no taxes there, except that education is tax deductible ...
5) taxes paid for his pell grants

so yah, taxes were a giant part of helping him in his life.


So, what's the moral of the story? I'm supposed to close my eyes and write Obama a blank check so he can do whatever he wants with my tax money and he can set tax rates to whatever levels he deems necessary just because some guy benefited from some programs decades ago? Even if I or my business are benefiting from government programs, as a taxpayer I should still get a vote/a say in how the money is spent and who is spending the money.

I like social services and have benefited from a few myself. Thanks to grants and federal loans, not a generous grandpa, I went to UofC too. I don't see why the logical conclusion is that all current taxes and all current implementations of social programs are great and why everyone should kiss the government's Obama's ass. I worked for a state government using federal funds and it was a mess. It doesn't seem unreasonable to ask governments to tighten their belts or rid of waste before raising taxes.

/not sure why else O could have made his poorly worded statement except to try to guilt people or, more specifically, business owners into tolerating higher taxes...but I applaud everyone for taking this topic into wide tangents
 
2012-07-23 09:42:11 PM  

Mr. Right: And that's how I know you are adamantly ignorant of the founding principles of the United States and the Constitution. Capiche?


1) Your logic is broken. I could, for example, simultaneously be aware of the founding principles of the U.S. and the Constitution, and think they're nonsense.

2) If you want to insist your views on "the founding principles of the U.S. and the Constitution" are objective fact, I suggest you take that up with SCOTUS, who don't agree with your interpretation of the Constitution.

3) The whole reason I snipped your nonsense in the first place is because I'm not interested in debating it with you, so goodbye.
 
2012-07-23 09:42:31 PM  
Yay for free shiat!
 
2012-07-23 09:42:52 PM  

OgreMagi: nner city blacks have a teenage pregnancy rate that is of epidemic proportions. Fatherless households are becoming the norm. Economic hardship is increases as a result. This isn't some horror caused by roving bands of privileged whites raping young black girls. This is black men farking black woman without protection and not being responsible. Why? Because blaming "white privilege" makes is acceptable to not take responsibility for your own actions.

You are correct. It is not my problem.



Doesn't get any more racist than this

Teenage pregnancy rates are the same among all racial groups when accounting for income levels

Black males leave their families BECAUSE of economic hardship. Because of drug laws that locked them up for longer than whites. Because of a loss of manufacturing jobs. Because of a drop in education funding for inner cities

So of course it's your problem, you benefit from their hardships.
 
2012-07-23 09:44:42 PM  

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Carlo Spicy-Wiener: I am a white, cis-gendered, heterosexual, gainfully employed, male citizen of the United States.
I do not know what it's like to be oppressed.
I do not know what it's like to be persecuted.
I do not know what it's like to be in fear for my life.
I do not know what it's like to have to fight for my rights.
I do not know what it's like to struggle for recognition.
I do not know what it's like to go without food or shelter.

THAT is what "white privelage" means.

Except when you get laid off (without food or shelter & possibly fearing for your life) because your gainful employment has shut down and been outsourced to some Exotic Foreign Land; And since you're not wealthy or connected, you and your fellow layoffs are roundly ignored (not recognized) by the legislature that might have prevented that out-source; Rights? Well, you're no longer a home owner, and you don't really have a place of residence so before we can talk about anything other than "the cops can't just shoot you" rights, why don't you go be homeless and smelly somewhere else. Oh, you're depressed now, without medical treatment, unable to get any kind of help because you're the least interesting demographic, (ie. male, white, no kids), and there's no special interest charity looking out for you, you will know most, if not all of those things in a big hurry. And forget about any kind of mental illness you should suffer once you lose health insurance if you're single, unemployed, white guy.

Or was this a troll and now I have a hook in my mouth.


No. Your main problem is you're a whiner
 
2012-07-23 09:45:41 PM  
When he invalidates my argument about spending being too high lket me know. In the mean time, am I going to vote for the guy that just raised my taxes and has accumulated a bigger deficit in 3.5 yrs than Bush did in 8? No.
 
2012-07-23 09:45:57 PM  

Dwindle: He's a hero because the slobbered on the government teet for the first thirty years of his life while my parents had to work second jobs and pay for everything out of their own pocket?

My parents, who had no one to help them, who had to get by on their wits and hard work?

/ self employed
// did it on my own



Wow, your parents paid for private schools, private police and fire departments, private roads etc etc etc?

Ooops, your success is thanks to public infrastructure!

I bet you or your dad was in the military though like most white libertarians who go on and on how awesome they are and how they did it all themselves
 
2012-07-23 09:46:03 PM  

bunner: elysive: it's still totally massively okay to raise taxes on people who make $250k though, right?

What on earth gave you that idea?


I'm just clarifying, because I've been told for a week that Obama has lowered taxes for all the normal people so long as we make under 250k. Apparently 250k is the current administration's definition of a "rich" person, as opposed to the 100mm you stated in an earlier post.
 
2012-07-23 09:47:12 PM  
My parents had sex, my hair is a bird, your argument is invalid.
 
2012-07-23 09:48:41 PM  

Diogenes The Cynic: But I guess we got to where we are from being white. That helped out a lot. Amirite?



I bet nobody discriminated against you when you were applying for jobs. I bet nobody denied you the right to move into a house because of your race. I bet the police didn't give you a hard time because of your race. I bet the public school you all went to was properly funded and gave you a quality education, try having that in inner cities with minorities.
 
2012-07-23 09:48:46 PM  

MisterLoki: gerrymander: vpb: gerrymander: No dice, subby. Ever since Scalzi came out as a condescending, racist bigot, I have no interest in him, his opinions, or his fiction.

Really? What was that about?

He did a huge post a month or two ago about how being a straight, white guy is playing a videogame on "easy mode". (No. I'm not going to link it, for the same reason I don't link to Stormfront. It's on his website if you care that much.) Apparently, work is easier, cancer kills less, and leggy supermodels are always knocking down the door for anyone holding the Straight, White Male ID Card -- and if you can't make it, what a pathetic loser you must be!

It's one thing to view society through the lens of who has or doesn't have "privilege". It's not a viewpoint I agree with or find constructive, but moral codes have to start somewhere. It's another thing entirely to use that lens as an excuse to denigrate an entire segment of society based on their skin color, gender and sexual preference. And doing that to a sizable fraction of your own core audience in an appeal to that same fraction is beyond stupid.

So, yeah. I'm done, and F7U12, Scalzi. Can't shake the devil's hand and say you're only kidding.

You're an idiot.


No, you're an idiot.

/there
 
2012-07-23 09:50:31 PM  

Mr. Right: Charity for some at the expense of others has accomplished nothing but a federal debt equal to our GDP.



Defense spending over 1 trillion a year has nothing on food stamp spending amiright?
 
2012-07-23 09:51:33 PM  

thnksqrd: OgreMagi: ph0rk: And when one group systematically gets a worse hand, generation after generation? Let me guess: not your problem?

Inner city blacks have a teenage pregnancy rate that is of epidemic proportions. Fatherless households are becoming the norm. Economic hardship is increases as a result. This isn't some horror caused by roving bands of privileged whites raping young black girls. This is black men farking black woman without protection and not being responsible. Why? Because blaming "white privilege" makes is acceptable to not take responsibility for your own actions.
You are correct. It is not my problem./i&g

"Ain't you gonna use a rubber baby?"

"HELL NO! Cause White Privilege!"



Probably a lot of that is thanks to the great abstinence only education most inner city schools teach
 
2012-07-23 09:52:11 PM  

Primum: I do not know what it's like to be oppressed.
I do not know what it's like to be persecuted.
I do not know what it's like to be in fear for my life.
I do not know what it's like to have to fight for my rights.
I do not know what it's like to struggle for recognition.
I do not know what it's like to go without food or shelter.

Those of you white males who have supposedly experienced these things... did they happen to you because of your skin color, gender, sexual orientation, or other in-born thing you can't change? No? Then STFU and stop whining.

If you're saying these things because you're short or fat, or have Assburgers, or crippling shyness, or crippling body-odor, then STFU also because those things can be mitigated.

Short or fat people can lift weights. Assburgs or the shy can get therapy. Stank ass people can take a bath and use Axe.


You won't see this but whatever.

I am white. I'm an atheist. I grew up in the bible belt in largely black neighborhoods. I was oppressed for my religious views, my person and property the focus of violence (stones thrown through windows, humilation in school). Also, being a small white kid, I was constantly targeted by the older black kids, and ended up being beaten once weekly. The largely black faculty looked the other way (was repeatedly told by myself and my family the situation, nothing ever happened.)

We were poor. While I was never homeless, I went to bed many nights hungry. A box of macaroni had to last us a few days. Mother was too proud to go on food stamps.

There were many times, walking home from school, those same black kids would chase me down with baseball bats. I have no doubt they would have used them if they could. Imagine how I feared for my life, as I desperately ran through backyards, open lots, and side streets, fearful I could die. Cops didn't do anything about it, since they couldn't prove any sort Of crime was comitted.

So.....fark you? I'm as liberal as they come, maybe even more so. But you and everyone that believes that is full of it.
 
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