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2012-07-23 05:38:48 PM  

MyRandomName: I love this strawman liberals are setting up to defend Obama. Nobody is arguing success happens in a vacuum. The argument is what is responsible for a successful business. A lot of hard work goes into creating a business, the government does not get to say they are mostly responsible for that as Obama implies. Taking a long reading of Obama's inference, everyone would be successful merely because roads exist. That is not the case whatsoever. Individuals utilize public shares to the best of their capacity. The web we know today would not exist without capitalists improving on the darpanet infrastructure.

If Obama wants credit for all successful business, he has to take credit for business that fails as well. For every road that allowed the transport of good there is a regulation that made the market to costly for some to enter; whether it is eminent domain, costly regulations, cost of licensing (hair dressers), etc. Government can help or hinder a business. But it takes an individual to CREATE the business, not government. That is what Obama said wrong, individuals do create business.


This!
Scalzi may have missed the point in his well reasoned article. You did not. Bravo, and thanks.
 
2012-07-23 05:39:02 PM  

SlothB77: Scalzi is oblivious to the fact the private sector can do all of the things the public sector can do - and more efficiently. Instead of paying high taxes now that will be redistributed by government, he could donate his money through private charities to achieve the same ends. And probably more efficiently.


Not everything needs to be done for a profit motive.
 
2012-07-23 05:39:02 PM  

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: I am a white, cis-gendered,gender normative heterosexual, gainfully employed, male citizen of the United States.
I do not know what it's like to be oppressed.
I do not know what it's like to be persecuted.
I do not know what it's like to be in fear for my life.
I do not know what it's like to have to fight for my rights.
I do not know what it's like to struggle for recognition.
I do not know what it's like to go without food or shelter.

THAT is what "white privelage" means.


FTFY

As for your comment, you are an idiot if you think white, hetero, men with jobs never experienced those things.
 
2012-07-23 05:39:06 PM  

snocone: Nonsense, just lucky.
Be patient, it can change.


No, as a white male in my mid 40s I'd say he's pretty much spot on.
 
2012-07-23 05:39:51 PM  

gerrymander: vpb: gerrymander: No dice, subby. Ever since Scalzi came out as a condescending, racist bigot, I have no interest in him, his opinions, or his fiction.

Really? What was that about?

He did a huge post a month or two ago about how being a straight, white guy is playing a videogame on "easy mode". (No. I'm not going to link it, for the same reason I don't link to Stormfront. It's on his website if you care that much.) Apparently, work is easier, cancer kills less, and leggy supermodels are always knocking down the door for anyone holding the Straight, White Male ID Card -- and if you can't make it, what a pathetic loser you must be!

It's one thing to view society through the lens of who has or doesn't have "privilege". It's not a viewpoint I agree with or find constructive, but moral codes have to start somewhere. It's another thing entirely to use that lens as an excuse to denigrate an entire segment of society based on their skin color, gender and sexual preference. And doing that to a sizable fraction of your own core audience in an appeal to that same fraction is beyond stupid.

So, yeah. I'm done, and F7U12, Scalzi. Can't shake the devil's hand and say you're only kidding.


Having read the blog post in question: It's okay. You can continue to enjoy Scalzi. I think it's pretty obvious that Assberger's counts as a disability, so clearly the blog doesn't apply to you.
 
2012-07-23 05:39:53 PM  

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: I am a white, cis-gendered, heterosexual, gainfully employed, male citizen of the United States.
I do not know what it's like to be oppressed.
I do not know what it's like to be persecuted.
I do not know what it's like to be in fear for my life.
I do not know what it's like to have to fight for my rights.
I do not know what it's like to struggle for recognition.
I do not know what it's like to go without food or shelter.

THAT is what "white privelage" means.


Sounds like you need to step out of your all-white burbclave once in a while.
 
2012-07-23 05:41:56 PM  
This subby obviously didnt read the article.

Apart from being on welfare, taxes did nothing for this man. He was handpicked for his talents and abilities all through life, and spent this article thanking people for it. PEOPLE. not TAXES. TIME and value placed upon people without a pricetag, is what got him where he is. IDK what the subby was implying... thinking taxes all of a sudden makes it a "level playing ground" for all the other worthless kids? sorry, quite the opposite. maybe one person in america will be wholly helped by the tax concessions of this man. Everything else is a waste, and makes it worse for everyone else. System is broken. He got lucky.
 
2012-07-23 05:42:03 PM  

Villemus Fortis: [images.sodahead.com image 500x416]


While that is pretty funny, the US Parks Service is a part of the Department of the Interior. US Forest Service is a part of the Department of Agriculture and is has a campaign to keep the public from feeding all bears not names "Smokey".

/The More You Know. . . .
 
2012-07-23 05:42:12 PM  

gerrymander: He did a huge post a month or two ago about how being a straight, white guy is playing a videogame on "easy mode". (No. I'm not going to link it, for the same reason I don't link to Stormfront. It's on his website if you care that much.) Apparently, work is easier, cancer kills less, and leggy supermodels are always knocking down the door for anyone holding the Straight, White Male ID Card -- and if you can't make it, what a pathetic loser you must be!


Link

You are the asshole he refers to. (NSFW language)
 
2012-07-23 05:42:19 PM  

Headso: MyRandomName: I love this strawman liberals are setting up to defend Obama. Nobody is arguing success happens in a vacuum. The argument is what is responsible for a successful business. A lot of hard work goes into creating a business, the government does not get to say they are mostly responsible for that as Obama implies

So true, look at all the successful multinationals that come out of countries with no infrastructure, no court system to ensure contracts and little security. If businesses were actually built on the foundation that society provides the most powerful and profitable companies would all come out of countries with a stable governments providing robust social and security services.


I want to marry this post.
 
2012-07-23 05:42:44 PM  
I'm a middle of the road Independent. I've voted for members of both major parties in the last 3 presidential elections. I don't know any Tea Partiers and most of my friends are Liberal and Middle of the road Democrats.

With that, all I have to put forth is that Subby is a retard.

/Thanks.
 
2012-07-23 05:43:00 PM  
snocone: "i knew this rocketman once, sounded like that."

I don't know about this "rocketman" you speak of, but I salute you for your service.

\"... tellin' me that I've got to beware."
 
2012-07-23 05:43:02 PM  

OgreMagi: Carlo Spicy-Wiener: I am a white, cis-gendered, heterosexual, gainfully employed, male citizen of the United States.
I do not know what it's like to be oppressed.
I do not know what it's like to be persecuted.
I do not know what it's like to be in fear for my life.
I do not know what it's like to have to fight for my rights.
I do not know what it's like to struggle for recognition.
I do not know what it's like to go without food or shelter.

THAT is what "white privelage" means.

Bullshiat! I have exprienced almost every item on your list.


You must not be white then. It is impossible for white people to ever be poor. I bet you can at least spell "privilege" correctly though.
 
2012-07-23 05:43:29 PM  

kasmel: Or can we say that there is a social construct wherein people believe that white, heterosexual males are privileged, much the same that people believe that women are paid 78 cents on the dollar, and if you're African American you're more likely to end up in jail?


images.businessweek.com

www.project.org

In other news: Reality is now a "social construct."
 
2012-07-23 05:43:52 PM  

Villemus Fortis: [images.sodahead.com image 500x416]


There's a government program dedicated to feeding 'people food' to forest wildlife? Humph, learn something new every day.
 
2012-07-23 05:44:44 PM  

Rincewind53: Wow. Turns out I was totally right. You ARE remarkably ignorant about privilege. And your reading comprehension sucks if you read any racism or sexism against white males into Scalzi's post.


The racism and sexism is present in the selective attention. If he had done an entire series of posts wherein different audiences each had their own privilege proclaimed as "easy mode" with an attendant examination of how they get benefits they might not merit, I wouldn't be complaining. (And if he did after I stopped reading, please say so, and I'll do my homework and reconsider.)

But parenthetical note aside, I'm fairly confident he didn't -- because like you, he doesn't actually acknowledge that different people may gain different societal benefits they don't merit in different situations. (Take these informal dating studies, for example. Not the results expected from the "straight, white male privilege" model, to say the least.) The elitism Scalzi displays is a modern form of what used to be called "the white man's burden", bringing enlightenment to the savages. That he's casting other white men in the role of the savages doesn't make the racism any less appalling.

That you can't recognize it is just embarrassing.
 
2012-07-23 05:44:55 PM  

OgreMagi: Carlo Spicy-Wiener: I am a white, cis-gendered, heterosexual, gainfully employed, male citizen of the United States.
I do not know what it's like to be oppressed.
I do not know what it's like to be persecuted.
I do not know what it's like to be in fear for my life.
I do not know what it's like to have to fight for my rights.
I do not know what it's like to struggle for recognition.
I do not know what it's like to go without food or shelter.

THAT is what "white privelage" means.

Bullshiat! I have exprienced almost every item on your list.


Then you choose poorly or got unlucky. But you were born with more advantages than many by being a white male in America. Suck it up.
 
2012-07-23 05:45:05 PM  
For me it comes down to:

Rich people are lucky (one way or another).

The more supportive a society is, the more 'lucky' people you get.

Rich people should pay their share of taxes so our society can be very supportive.

Their share of taxes should be higher percentage of taxes than the working class.
 
2012-07-23 05:45:10 PM  

Teufelaffe: Villemus Fortis: [images.sodahead.com image 500x416]

Conservative Logic: Humans have the same cognitive capabilities as all other animals.

/Yes, they're that stupid.


Actually, that rationale typically comes from the enviors around here.
 
2012-07-23 05:46:00 PM  

mdeesnuts: Who remembers that many teachers?


I feel bad, because I don't remember most of my teachers, but most of them remember me.
 
2012-07-23 05:46:33 PM  

Rincewind53: The subby is screwing with you. Scalzi's post is not in any way a post about taxes, it's a post in defense of Obama's statement that we all got somewhere through the help of others. It's a serious post, not sarcastic in the least bit.


You and Scalzi may be missing the point on why Obama's statements were so ignorant. If people succeed because of other people, society, government or whatever, then everyone should have succeeded to the same degree. If you didn't build your own business why doesn't everyone have a successful business? Disregarding the small percentage of people who succeed because of wealthy parents or the even smaller percentage of people who fail because they are literally brain damaged, everyone has access to the these same resources and opportunities. Some people are simply better at making use of resources and finding opportunities and some people aren't interested in what is usually the hard work and hours required to initially build a successful business. The resources and opportunities are available to all and people from all social and ethnic backgrounds have succeeded. The difference is purely down to the individual which is why it was either stupid or irrelevant for Obama to claim people don't build their own business simply because they are not alone on a deserted island by themself.
 
2012-07-23 05:46:42 PM  
This fellow's essay used the word "I" 129 times. That right there tells you all you need to know about it.
 
2012-07-23 05:47:12 PM  

serial_crusher: Our excessive military budget is one of the few things the teabaggers are OK paying taxes for.


...no, they're not. They're fine with us spending money on it, unlike pretty much everything else, but they still don't wanna pay taxes on it.
 
2012-07-23 05:47:13 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Any tax system that can afford to have people on welfare packing phones that cost more than my last car has taxes that are too high.

/invalidates the invalidation


Brilliant! We should cut them off so they all get jobs by writing "N/A" in the phone number section of their job application.
 
2012-07-23 05:47:19 PM  
I don't think anybody actually read the whole article.
 
2012-07-23 05:47:41 PM  

serial_crusher: So, $240 more over the life of your contract? Depends on how cheap of a car Smeggy Smurf drives, I guess. Either way, pointing out that you ignored one of the largest costs of your phone because of a shiny sticker price, doesn't constitute moving goalposts

You're also assuming that the theoretical welfare recipient in his example is still using a 3 year old phone like you are. I think Smeggy was accusing them of having shiny new phones, not obsolete crap.


I got my phone a month ago when I finally killed the last one. I guess I could have payed $100 for a 4 but, honestly, I'm not one of the people who wanders around with their eyes glued to their phone 24/7. It's funny that you're calling my phone crap when Smeggy would be whining that it's too fancy. Also, the data component isn't the largest component in the cost of the plan.

You also confused the word "theoretical" with "imaginary" when referring to his example.

Just admit that you want people on government assistance to live in misery with no access to any of the comforts or conveniences of modern life and have done with it.
 
2012-07-23 05:47:54 PM  

Teufelaffe: In other news: Reality is now a "social construct."


Have they considered not breaking the law?
 
2012-07-23 05:48:12 PM  

Teufelaffe: kasmel: Or can we say that there is a social construct wherein people believe that white, heterosexual males are privileged, much the same that people believe that women are paid 78 cents on the dollar, and if you're African American you're more likely to end up in jail?

[images.businessweek.com image 405x410]

[www.project.org image 596x326]

In other news: Reality is now a "social construct."


So I should automatically assume that if you're a woman you're underpaid, and if you're black you're going to end up in prison.

Got it.

//Making generalizations is stupid.
///The 'pay gap' is an illusion that's been proven to be grossly inflated over and over again.
////The larger part is class, which he touches on in the article, but somehow glosses over it.
 
2012-07-23 05:49:23 PM  

Via Infinito: What's your favorite color?


Thank you. Chartreuse.
 
2012-07-23 05:49:50 PM  

jst3p: OgreMagi: Carlo Spicy-Wiener: I am a white, cis-gendered, heterosexual, gainfully employed, male citizen of the United States.
I do not know what it's like to be oppressed.
I do not know what it's like to be persecuted.
I do not know what it's like to be in fear for my life.
I do not know what it's like to have to fight for my rights.
I do not know what it's like to struggle for recognition.
I do not know what it's like to go without food or shelter.

THAT is what "white privelage" means.

Bullshiat! I have exprienced almost every item on your list.

Then you choose poorly or got unlucky. But you were born with more advantages than many by being a white male in America. Suck it up.


The only item on that list I would argue against (and I'm a hetero-white-male) is the food/shelter item. Skin color does not affect that. If I'm born white, it doesn't mean I automatically have a house or food.
 
2012-07-23 05:49:54 PM  

MyRandomName: I love this strawman liberals are setting up to defend Obama. Nobody is arguing success happens in a vacuum. The argument is what is responsible for a successful business. A lot of hard work goes into creating a business, the government does not get to say they are mostly responsible for that as Obama implies. Taking a long reading of Obama's inference, everyone would be successful merely because roads exist. That is not the case whatsoever. Individuals utilize public shares to the best of their capacity. The web we know today would not exist without capitalists improving on the darpanet infrastructure.

If Obama wants credit for all successful business, he has to take credit for business that fails as well. For every road that allowed the transport of good there is a regulation that made the market to costly for some to enter; whether it is eminent domain, costly regulations, cost of licensing (hair dressers), etc. Government can help or hinder a business. But it takes an individual to CREATE the business, not government. That is what Obama said wrong, individuals do create business.


Excellent job showing your lack of comprehension and poor execution of reason.

There is a good reason Americans have chosen not to start businesses in Somalia even though they would have no tax liability there.
 
2012-07-23 05:50:32 PM  

jimk777: Rincewind53: The subby is screwing with you. Scalzi's post is not in any way a post about taxes, it's a post in defense of Obama's statement that we all got somewhere through the help of others. It's a serious post, not sarcastic in the least bit.

You and Scalzi may be missing the point on why Obama's statements were so ignorant. If people succeed because of other people, society, government or whatever, then everyone should have succeeded to the same degree. If you didn't build your own business why doesn't everyone have a successful business? Disregarding the small percentage of people who succeed because of wealthy parents or the even smaller percentage of people who fail because they are literally brain damaged, everyone has access to the these same resources and opportunities. Some people are simply better at making use of resources and finding opportunities and some people aren't interested in what is usually the hard work and hours required to initially build a successful business. The resources and opportunities are available to all and people from all social and ethnic backgrounds have succeeded. The difference is purely down to the individual which is why it was either stupid or irrelevant for Obama to claim people don't build their own business simply because they are not alone on a deserted island by themself.


Why is it stupid to point that out? This Randian idea of our "betters" being islands of accomplishment unto themselves is ludicrous and self-serving.

Starting and running a business is one thing, but to ignore the support and safety factors available to someone incorporating in the US is egocentric and false. No man is an island, regardless of what he may think.
 
2012-07-23 05:50:36 PM  
I stopped reading when he started going on about the University of Chicago. That place is an excellent school and provided a wonderful undergraduate experience but it's one reason I wrote off Obama early on. It's great for people who think and function in hypotheticals, but it is fairly impractical.

i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-07-23 05:50:51 PM  

Ned Stark: roxtar10870: Taxes = theft... What good Might be done with the stolen money doesn't make it moral.
This guy is an idiot.

So, the government doesn't have the right to dispose goods as it sees fit? And isn't ownership merely an exclusive use contract you have with the government re: certain goods? If the government doesn't have the right to use "your" $20 to finance public works, why does it have a right to keep me from using your beach house?
I would posit that if taxes are theft, then property is theft.
Welcome comrade, always glad to see another commie on fark!


fark yeah. We're having a full-on raging kegger at roxtar10870's house. Feel free to trash the place. He can't call the cops because that would be Big Government Interference™ in the private affairs of citizens who just want to get high on bath salts and trash roxtar10870's place.
 
2012-07-23 05:52:55 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Just admit that you want people on government assistance to live in misery with no access to any of the comforts or conveniences of modern life and have done with it.


Oh, my only goal was to point out how wrong you were for pretending that your phone only cost 99 cents, not all the rest of that.
 
2012-07-23 05:53:33 PM  

gerrymander: vpb: gerrymander: No dice, subby. Ever since Scalzi came out as a condescending, racist bigot, I have no interest in him, his opinions, or his fiction.

Really? What was that about?

He did a huge post a month or two ago about how being a straight, white guy is playing a videogame on "easy mode". (No. I'm not going to link it, for the same reason I don't link to Stormfront. It's on his website if you care that much.) Apparently, work is easier, cancer kills less, and leggy supermodels are always knocking down the door for anyone holding the Straight, White Male ID Card -- and if you can't make it, what a pathetic loser you must be!

It's one thing to view society through the lens of who has or doesn't have "privilege". It's not a viewpoint I agree with or find constructive, but moral codes have to start somewhere. It's another thing entirely to use that lens as an excuse to denigrate an entire segment of society based on their skin color, gender and sexual preference. And doing that to a sizable fraction of your own core audience in an appeal to that same fraction is beyond stupid.

So, yeah. I'm done, and F7U12, Scalzi. Can't shake the devil's hand and say you're only kidding.


You don't agree that being born a straight, white male is like hitting the lottery in this country?

Am I on candid camera? Cause you trollin'!
 
2012-07-23 05:53:38 PM  
I do not know what it's like to be oppressed.
I do not know what it's like to be persecuted.
I do not know what it's like to be in fear for my life.
I do not know what it's like to have to fight for my rights.
I do not know what it's like to struggle for recognition.
I do not know what it's like to go without food or shelter.

Those of you white males who have supposedly experienced these things... did they happen to you because of your skin color, gender, sexual orientation, or other in-born thing you can't change? No? Then STFU and stop whining.

If you're saying these things because you're short or fat, or have Assburgers, or crippling shyness, or crippling body-odor, then STFU also because those things can be mitigated.

Short or fat people can lift weights. Assburgs or the shy can get therapy. Stank ass people can take a bath and use Axe.
 
2012-07-23 05:53:57 PM  

kasmel: Teufelaffe: kasmel: Or can we say that there is a social construct wherein people believe that white, heterosexual males are privileged, much the same that people believe that women are paid 78 cents on the dollar, and if you're African American you're more likely to end up in jail?

[images.businessweek.com image 405x410]

[www.project.org image 596x326]

In other news: Reality is now a "social construct."

So I should automatically assume that if you're a woman you're underpaid, and if you're black you're going to end up in prison.

Got it.

//Making generalizations is stupid.
///The 'pay gap' is an illusion that's been proven to be grossly inflated over and over again.
////The larger part is class, which he touches on in the article, but somehow glosses over it.


Yes, that's exactly right. By pointing out that the pay gap is real and that, statistically, blacks far outnumber all other ethnic groups in prison, I am totally saying you should make generalizations. *rolls eyes*
 
2012-07-23 05:56:22 PM  

Teufelaffe: Villemus Fortis: [images.sodahead.com image 500x416]

Conservative Logic: Humans have the same cognitive capabilities as all other animals.

/Yes, they're that stupid.


Alternate Conservative Logic: Its just as OK to let people starve as it is let wild animals starve.

/ Social Darwinism, the only thing near the word 'social' in the dictionary that the right approves of.
 
2012-07-23 05:57:24 PM  
Thanks Subby. Good read. I've ordered "Old Man's War".
 
2012-07-23 05:57:39 PM  

Ambitwistor: keypusher: Anyone who thinks Prop. 13 is responsible for California's education problems is regurgitating someone else's talking points and has no actual knowledge of the topic.

Prop. 98

Are you arguing that Prop. 98 cancels out the loss of funding resulting from Prop. 13?


Don't get ahead of yourself. Start by showing a loss of education funding resulting from Prop. 13. But yeah, any argument from Prop. 13 re education pretty much went out the window with Prop. 98.
 
2012-07-23 05:57:46 PM  

Rincewind53: gerrymander: vpb: gerrymander: No dice, subby. Ever since Scalzi came out as a condescending, racist bigot, I have no interest in him, his opinions, or his fiction.

Really? What was that about?

He did a huge post a month or two ago about how being a straight, white guy is playing a videogame on "easy mode". (No. I'm not going to link it, for the same reason I don't link to Stormfront. It's on his website if you care that much.) Apparently, work is easier, cancer kills less, and leggy supermodels are always knocking down the door for anyone holding the Straight, White Male ID Card -- and if you can't make it, what a pathetic loser you must be!

It's one thing to view society through the lens of who has or doesn't have "privilege". It's not a viewpoint I agree with or find constructive, but moral codes have to start somewhere. It's another thing entirely to use that lens as an excuse to denigrate an entire segment of society based on their skin color, gender and sexual preference. And doing that to a sizable fraction of your own core audience in an appeal to that same fraction is beyond stupid.

So, yeah. I'm done, and F7U12, Scalzi. Can't shake the devil's hand and say you're only kidding.

Wow. Turns out I was totally right. You ARE remarkably ignorant about privilege. And your reading comprehension sucks if you read any racism or sexism against white males into Scalzi's post.


Anyone who can read that and see any racism or sexism in it is just too far gone to even bother arguing with.
 
2012-07-23 05:59:25 PM  
I got to where I am today with a lot of hard work. My parents didn't have a lot of money, so I busted my ass in high school to get good grades, and as a result got a few small merit-based scholarships. I also had a job, and lived at home to reduce expenses as an undergraduate, and went to a relatively inexpensive state university. I busted my ass there too, and got good enough grades that getting to grad school wasn't a problem. I busted my ass there, got a PhD, and got a pretty lucrative job as a result, and now have a household income that, while it doesn't make me a 1%er, makes me pretty damn close.

And that was all thanks to my own hard work. Well, that an some great teachers I had in my public school, the fact that there are folks willing to give out scholarships for hard work, the great state universities I attended, and the research I did that was funded with government tax dollars. And the good fortune I had to be born to parents who stressed the need for education and hard work, and who were willing to take time to raise me instead of ship me off to daycare or plop me in front of the TV. Also the sheer luck I had in coming across the right opportunities at the right time. And the fact that being a straight, white male automatically gives me a leg up.

So yeah, apart from all the other hundreds if not thousands of people who helped out and the strokes of good fortune, I did it all by myself.

And so, come April 15, I gripe about paying taxes like everyone else, but I'll take the infrastructure, services, protections, and stable society they offer any day. Without all the shiat they ultimately provide, I wouldn't be where I am today.
 
2012-07-23 05:59:34 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: gerrymander: He did a huge post a month or two ago about how being a straight, white guy is playing a videogame on "easy mode". (No. I'm not going to link it, for the same reason I don't link to Stormfront. It's on his website if you care that much.) Apparently, work is easier, cancer kills less, and leggy supermodels are always knocking down the door for anyone holding the Straight, White Male ID Card -- and if you can't make it, what a pathetic loser you must be!

Just to be clear: You're saying Scalzi was wrong because RICH straight white guy is an easier setting than Regular straight white guy?


I'm saying Scalzi is wrong because his only argument is that straight, white guys ought to feel worse about themselves and where they are in life because they are straight, white, and male.
 
2012-07-23 05:59:42 PM  

serial_crusher: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Just admit that you want people on government assistance to live in misery with no access to any of the comforts or conveniences of modern life and have done with it.

Oh, my only goal was to point out how wrong you were for pretending that your phone only cost 99 cents, not all the rest of that.


My phone cost $0.99. TCO is marginally higher than a crap land line but that didn't seem to be the gist of his comment.
 
2012-07-23 06:02:10 PM  

gerrymander: vpb: gerrymander: No dice, subby. Ever since Scalzi came out as a condescending, racist bigot, I have no interest in him, his opinions, or his fiction.

Really? What was that about?

He did a huge post a month or two ago about how being a straight, white guy is playing a videogame on "easy mode". (No. I'm not going to link it, for the same reason I don't link to Stormfront. It's on his website if you care that much.) Apparently, work is easier, cancer kills less, and leggy supermodels are always knocking down the door for anyone holding the Straight, White Male ID Card -- and if you can't make it, what a pathetic loser you must be!

It's one thing to view society through the lens of who has or doesn't have "privilege". It's not a viewpoint I agree with or find constructive, but moral codes have to start somewhere. It's another thing entirely to use that lens as an excuse to denigrate an entire segment of society based on their skin color, gender and sexual preference. And doing that to a sizable fraction of your own core audience in an appeal to that same fraction is beyond stupid.

So, yeah. I'm done, and F7U12, Scalzi. Can't shake the devil's hand and say you're only kidding.


I read the article and believe you misunderstood his point.
 
2012-07-23 06:02:31 PM  

jst3p: Then you choose poorly or got unlucky. But you were born with more advantages than many by being a white male in America. Suck it up.


Oh, quit being such a crybaby. People succeed from every class and ethnic group. How rich your parents were or where your ancestors came from is largely irrelevant as to whether you have a successful life. Everyone is born with some advantages and disadvantages. How you take advantage of things and overcome obstacles are the determining factors because almost everyone faces obstacles and almost everyone has some advantages. Who is more likely to succeed, an incredibly stupid white male born in the backwoods of Alaska or a highly intelligent black woman born to a middle class family in NYC?
 
2012-07-23 06:02:37 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: / Social Darwinism, the only thing near the word 'social' in the dictionary that the right approves of.


Not too fond of Darwinism either, but mix them both together and voila: instant societal organizational principle.
 
2012-07-23 06:03:24 PM  
Old Man's War is one of the best new Sci-Fi books there is. The sequel is amazingly good as well.
 
2012-07-23 06:04:02 PM  

gerrymander: Vlad_the_Inaner: gerrymander: He did a huge post a month or two ago about how being a straight, white guy is playing a videogame on "easy mode". (No. I'm not going to link it, for the same reason I don't link to Stormfront. It's on his website if you care that much.) Apparently, work is easier, cancer kills less, and leggy supermodels are always knocking down the door for anyone holding the Straight, White Male ID Card -- and if you can't make it, what a pathetic loser you must be!

Just to be clear: You're saying Scalzi was wrong because RICH straight white guy is an easier setting than Regular straight white guy?

I'm saying Scalzi is wrong because his only argument is that straight, white guys ought to feel worse about themselves and where they are in life because they are straight, white, and male.


"feel worse about themselves" ≠ "be more aware and appreciative of their privileges"

Seriously, did you actually read that other Scalzi article or did you listen to someone else who hated it try to explain it to you?
 
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