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(Yahoo)   You're a painter and you want to get out of work early. Do you: a) fake an illness, b) just leave and hope no one notices, or c) start a fire that causes $400 million in damages to a USN submarine?   ( news.yahoo.com) divider line
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2012-07-23 08:11:08 PM  

xl5150: Everyone, let's keep this in perspective. Someone who works in a job like painting is obviously there because he's not exactly tipping the scales in intelligence, so something like this is not altogether extremely unexpected.


That's one of the fun things about working in the trades: the assumptions from some of the arrogant douchebags that we have as clients.
 
2012-07-23 08:20:14 PM  

Gough: That's one of the fun things about working in the trades: the assumptions from some of the arrogant douchebags that we have as clients.


For myself that wasn't an assumption but a direct observation made over the years. Shipyard painters are by far the laziest and most incompetent group of workers in the yard by far. You can't get someone who is intelligent to do that type of mind numbing and tedious work, at least not for long anyway.

That's not to say that they're all like that of course but they do have a disproportionate number in their ranks. A lot of people start off in the paint shop to get a foot in the door to learn other trades that the yard will train them in as positions open up.
 
2012-07-23 08:23:35 PM  

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: JonnyG: Just another way to milk the citizens. These subs don't cost that much to build, but are inflated to that price. Likewise, nothing you could do would cause $400M worth of damages. Someday people will wise up to the scam that is defense contracting. Not any time soon. And not soon enough to make a difference, but you know...

And yet...here we are.


And just barely, no less.
 
2012-07-23 08:24:27 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: that he had failed to admit his involvement...because he was scared and because everything was blurry to him and his memory was impacted due to his anxiety and the medication he was taking at the time.

This is exactly the kind of guy I want working on our subs.

Why can I get fired from a cube job for smoking a joint, but this clown gets security clearance?


Two words: "paint fumes"

Now, as to the reason he was *hired* in the first place? I dunno. Surely there can be some competent, non-pyromaniacal union painters out there who are not anxious and on medication?
 
2012-07-23 08:26:11 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: that he had failed to admit his involvement...because he was scared and because everything was blurry to him and his memory was impacted due to his anxiety and the medication he was taking at the time.

This is exactly the kind of guy I want working on our subs.

Why can I get fired from a cube job for smoking a joint, but this clown gets security clearance?


Beats me. But how much anxiety can an $18/hour outdoor painting job give you? Maybe he should have gotten high. Not to worry though, he'll get on the welfare system soon enough and get his meds paid for.
 
2012-07-23 08:31:48 PM  

fanbladesaresharp: Beats me. But how much anxiety can an $18/hour outdoor painting job give you? Maybe he should have gotten high. Not to worry though, he'll get on the welfare system soon enough and get his meds paid for.


You can paint the outside of a boat (in drydock no less) in under than 48 hours, I've seen it done. The inside however is an entirely different story. That can take a very long time. I guess if you're claustrophobic that might be a bit of a problem because you will be wriggling into some tight spots to smear the paint around.
 
2012-07-23 08:35:09 PM  

Radioactive Ass: The inside however is an entirely different story.


The real fun is painting the inside of the outside... had some lovely times posted up in MBTs.
 
2012-07-23 08:37:37 PM  

Radioactive Ass: fanbladesaresharp: Beats me. But how much anxiety can an $18/hour outdoor painting job give you? Maybe he should have gotten high. Not to worry though, he'll get on the welfare system soon enough and get his meds paid for.

You can paint the outside of a boat (in drydock no less) in under than 48 hours, I've seen it done. The inside however is an entirely different story. That can take a very long time. I guess if you're claustrophobic that might be a bit of a problem because you will be wriggling into some tight spots to smear the paint around.


Yeah that was on an episode of Dirty Jobs where he's painting the inside of some bridge support or something to inhibit corrosion. Tiny metal coffin-like spaces.
 
2012-07-23 08:37:40 PM  

Radioactive Ass: Gough: That's one of the fun things about working in the trades: the assumptions from some of the arrogant douchebags that we have as clients.

For myself that wasn't an assumption but a direct observation made over the years. Shipyard painters are by far the laziest and most incompetent group of workers in the yard by far. You can't get someone who is intelligent to do that type of mind numbing and tedious work, at least not for long anyway.

That's not to say that they're all like that of course but they do have a disproportionate number in their ranks. A lot of people start off in the paint shop to get a foot in the door to learn other trades that the yard will train them in as positions open up.


I have to agree with you on shipyard painters. Ordinary painters (PORD=house painters), now that's a different story...actually, it's not. It is a trade widely populated by ne'r-do-wells, drunks, and druggies.
 
2012-07-23 08:38:18 PM  

Radioactive Ass: For myself that wasn't an assumption but a direct observation made over the years. Shipyard painters are by far the laziest and most incompetent group of workers in the yard by far.


First I thought, This guy has a cool story why can't I be a cool story. I'm pretty average for Fark, who will give a shiat about my anecdotes. Then I thought, This is Fark this guy is just another spentmiles I've been had. Then I checked your profile b/c, y'know, maybe. Then I disregarded your profile b/c who knows, maybe you changed your profile to show you're a subbie to fit your story about how you've known some shipyard painters in your time. And THEN-

Eventually I'm at the bottom of a pile of papers I got from someone you don't need to know who it was that are the last documentation mankind will ever have of how the aliens killed Mulder's sister and made her look like JFK while doing it.
 
2012-07-23 08:41:48 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: Radioactive Ass: For myself that wasn't an assumption but a direct observation made over the years. Shipyard painters are by far the laziest and most incompetent group of workers in the yard by far.

First I thought, This guy has a cool story why can't I be a cool story. I'm pretty average for Fark, who will give a shiat about my anecdotes. Then I thought, This is Fark this guy is just another spentmiles I've been had. Then I checked your profile b/c, y'know, maybe. Then I disregarded your profile b/c who knows, maybe you changed your profile to show you're a subbie to fit your story about how you've known some shipyard painters in your time. And THEN-

Eventually I'm at the bottom of a pile of papers I got from someone you don't need to know who it was that are the last documentation mankind will ever have of how the aliens killed Mulder's sister and made her look like JFK while doing it.


Spooky.
 
2012-07-23 08:41:57 PM  

Indubitably: Terrurgency?

;)


Nah, that's when you're on a sub and some asshole is hogging the toilet, and, well, you gotta go...
 
2012-07-23 08:42:18 PM  

kokomo61: Two rules to remember:

1) A polygraph is not a lie (or truth) detector. It's an interrogation tool.
2) The examiner is always going to tell you you're being deceptive.


Or dont be a furebug loser.
 
2012-07-23 08:44:43 PM  
"Sometimes paint fires up?"

"I paint, it burns."

"The canvas was alit with oils"

"This is why I work in charcoal."

"I prefer watercolor."

"Painter fired."

;)
 
2012-07-23 08:44:45 PM  

incendi: Radioactive Ass: The inside however is an entirely different story.

The real fun is painting the inside of the outside... had some lovely times posted up in MBTs.


Mine comes from inside the chain locker and impulse tank... but at least we didn't leave a ladder inside like a yardbird did to a boat back in the day. I mean how on earth do you miss THAT in a closeout inspection? They ended up having to come back into port and go into drydock just to get it back out. You just know that that cost someone a pretty penny to do, not to mention the lost time at sea.
 
2012-07-23 08:45:41 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Indubitably: Terrurgency?

;)

Nah, that's when you're on a sub and some asshole is hogging the toilet, and, well, you gotta go...


Hiya, gorgeous.
 
2012-07-23 08:50:41 PM  

Radioactive Ass: Mine comes from inside the chain locker and impulse tank...


Torpedoman?
 
2012-07-23 08:52:51 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: Radioactive Ass: For myself that wasn't an assumption but a direct observation made over the years. Shipyard painters are by far the laziest and most incompetent group of workers in the yard by far.

First I thought, This guy has a cool story why can't I be a cool story. I'm pretty average for Fark, who will give a shiat about my anecdotes. Then I thought, This is Fark this guy is just another spentmiles I've been had. Then I checked your profile b/c, y'know, maybe. Then I disregarded your profile b/c who knows, maybe you changed your profile to show you're a subbie to fit your story about how you've known some shipyard painters in your time. And THEN-

Eventually I'm at the bottom of a pile of papers I got from someone you don't need to know who it was that are the last documentation mankind will ever have of how the aliens killed Mulder's sister and made her look like JFK while doing it.


Meh. I've been here long enough (I guess 7 years or so) with that very same profile that someone would've caught me by now if it weren't true. And trust me, for every "Interesting" story there's probably about a thousand hours of boredom to go along with it. It really was just a job with a few adventures mixed in and not the other way around (damned recruiters and their false advertising).
 
2012-07-23 08:57:27 PM  

incendi: Radioactive Ass: Mine comes from inside the chain locker and impulse tank...

Torpedoman?


Yes. But I heard that they got rid of that job and made them machinists mates (weapons) instead, which kinda makes sense seeing as we did almost the same thing with moving weapons around added in. I went to a lot of the same classes as the auxiliarymen did simply because a lot of our stuff used the same basic principals as theirs did so it supplemented the more equipment specific training that we had that they didn't.
 
2012-07-23 09:05:52 PM  
taking multiple medications for anxiety and depression

Must be a Farker. Although I don't see any mention of Asperger's...
 
2012-07-23 09:07:33 PM  

Radioactive Ass: Yes. But I heard that they got rid of that job and made them machinists mates (weapons) instead, which kinda makes sense seeing as we did almost the same thing with moving weapons around added in. I went to a lot of the same classes as the auxiliarymen did simply because a lot of our stuff used the same basic principals as theirs did so it supplemented the more equipment specific training that we had that they didn't.


Yeah, they're still doing it that way, although there's talk of unmerging some of the rates that got lumped together. I was an electronics tech (comms), which is a long and obnoxious way of saying radioman.

Also, I've seen what the torpedoman of the watch does... that 1000 hours of boredom for each adventure is literal. folks.
 
2012-07-23 09:12:28 PM  
"restitution"?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA AH AH AHA HAHHAHAHAHA AH AH AH HA AH AHAHHAHAHAHHAHA A AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA

/never do crime for anything less than 8 figures, that's where the risk/benefit starts to pay off
// afternoon off of work was unlikely to be 8 figures
 
2012-07-23 09:14:50 PM  
i did interior painting for a few weeks one summer as a teen. how anyone could do that all the time without being perpetually stoned is beyond me.
 
2012-07-23 09:22:29 PM  
Link to a PDF of the complaint: http://www.seacoastonline.com/static/linked/20120723_caseyFuryComplain t.pdf

He was taking Celexa, Klonopin, and Ambien all at the same time. Thank you big pharma.

/not really
 
2012-07-23 09:22:52 PM  

incendi: Also, I've seen what the torpedoman of the watch does... that 1000 hours of boredom for each adventure is literal. folks.


Is it any wonder that I have a twisted sense of humor after all of that? I did get a few funny stories out of it though, like how I used to fly a tiny home made kite down the wardroom passageway whenever the fans were on high during midwatch. Then I got busted by the CO coming down for an early breakfast, luckily for me he had a sense of humor and all that came out of it was a small POD note about how if you don't have anything else to do on watch you can always do some cleaning...
 
2012-07-23 09:29:29 PM  
There is no automatic fire suppression nor fire detection onboard any class of American submarine. Underway we have manned watches in all areas (save berthing) who are responsible and trained to observe, report and respond to casualties. As mentioned previously it is the most common drill to run; often we would do "code red"s every watch with a "code yellow" (involving the offgoing watch's response) at least once a day.

In port everything changes though, as you only have the duty section onboard after hours. When you're in drydock and berthing is shifted offhull this is even worse, as you may only have 3 people onboard (Belowdecks watch, Shutdown Reactor Operator and Shutdown Roving Watch). Incidentally, this and lack of automatic fire detection are major findings in the Navy's initial investigation and there will probably be some changes coming down the pipe.

As far as flammable material, pretty much anything onboard will combust at some point and flashover is a very real concern. We do a much better job of responding underway; unfortunately the only way to improve in-port response without a severe cost in money will be at the expense of the crew, so I see submarine force retention seeing a big hit. The pride associated with what we do just isn't worth it compared to the sacrifice required compared to the surface fleet, in my (and most of my colleagues') opinion.

//EM1(SS)
 
2012-07-23 09:32:03 PM  

GAT_00: I'm pretty sure you can fart too hard and cause $400M in damage to a Virginia, but it takes a bit more work to do it to a Los Angeles.


Hey! I helped engineer Virginia and I can guarantee that you can fart all you want it and it'll probably be fine. Probably.
 
2012-07-23 09:32:57 PM  

handgimp: Underway we have manned watches in all areas (save berthing)


I dunno, it always seems like there was some loud motherfarker making the rounds every time I was trying to get some rack.
 
2012-07-23 09:35:00 PM  

whyaduck: Hey! I helped engineer Virginia and I can guarantee that you can fart all you want it and it'll probably be fine. Probably.


I'm sure the fart tolerance was well established by the time sea trials were completed.

/farting on subs is not just a bodily function, it's a hobby.
 
2012-07-23 09:38:07 PM  

incendi: handgimp: Underway we have manned watches in all areas (save berthing)

I dunno, it always seems like there was some loud motherfarker making the rounds every time I was trying to get some rack.


A radioman in the rack? You don't say? 3M club much?*

/it was probably the messenger of the watch waking up someone. You get a bit surly after doing that for awhile.

*Meals, Movies, Mattress
 
2012-07-23 09:41:17 PM  

Indubitably: Gyrfalcon: Indubitably: Terrurgency?

;)

Nah, that's when you're on a sub and some asshole is hogging the toilet, and, well, you gotta go...

Hiya, gorgeous.


Back atcha. Another bar exam this week. So I'm here not studying.
 
2012-07-23 09:44:36 PM  

Radioactive Ass: A radioman in the rack? You don't say? 3M club much?*


Haha, I had a pretty good run of it before they realized I was competent and started farking me.
 
2012-07-23 09:45:31 PM  
incendi: farting on subs is not just a bodily function, it's a hobby.

Lemme tell you two words about Virginia that'll blow your mind: flush toilets.
 
2012-07-23 09:50:27 PM  

whyaduck: Lemme tell you two words about Virginia that'll blow your mind: flush toilets.


So no more blowing shiatters? For some reason I don't miss that smell... at all.
 
2012-07-23 09:52:50 PM  
www.everythingaction.com

Find out who his handler is and then hang them both!

WTF??

/and I'm a little dissapointed that we had ineffective fire suppression and watch.
 
2012-07-23 09:56:18 PM  

Radioactive Ass: So no more blowing shiatters? For some reason I don't miss that smell... at all.


No more stories about people who can't read signs scraping poo off the inside of their eyelids. Both a good thing and a pity really.

FWIW, we were truly horrified to read about the Miami fire. I never served, but have been on enough boats and talked to enough sailors to know that this is truly no laughing matter.

We've also had a metric (sorry, we're the US) imperial asston of safety bulletins lately about proper use of vacuums, fire watch, etc. Now it'll be training videos on how to spot if your co-worker's about to go off the deep end.
 
2012-07-23 10:01:12 PM  

studebaker hoch: [www.everythingaction.com image 445x278]

Find out who his handler is and then hang them both!

WTF??

/and I'm a little dissapointed that we had ineffective fire suppression and watch.


"The shiat has hit the fan, man."

"We misspelled 'disappointed,' and we pissed off a fan. We might have a deconstruct on our hands...Maybe not. He's wily."
 
2012-07-23 10:04:35 PM  
Sounds like another reason to never talk to the police.
 
2012-07-23 10:05:31 PM  

DancesWithSquirrels: Actual damage = $146.15 plus tax


But the $399,999,753.85 ashtray was damaged beyond repair.
 
2012-07-23 10:06:12 PM  

whyaduck: No more stories about people who can't read signs scraping poo off the inside of their eyelids. Both a good thing and a pity really.

FWIW, we were truly horrified to read about the Miami fire. I never served, but have been on enough boats and talked to enough sailors to know that this is truly no laughing matter.

We've also had a metric (sorry, we're the US) imperial asston of safety bulletins lately about proper use of vacuums, fire watch, etc. Now it'll be training videos on how to spot if your co-worker's about to go off the deep end.


Awww, I liked the stories of people venting on themselves. Just not the smell, charcoal filters can only do so much.

Good luck spotting the dangerous loonies on a boat. It's already infested with the not-so-dangerous ones that most people call the crew.
 
2012-07-23 10:11:03 PM  
Whether it's setting a $400 million fire on a submarine, or opening fire in a crowded movie theater, my takeaway is that our country really needs to be improving its mental health resources.
 
2012-07-23 10:11:11 PM  
I guess it's safe to assume he's...

*sunglasses*

"fired".

YYYYEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHH!!!
 
2012-07-23 10:12:09 PM  

Radioactive Ass: whyaduck: Lemme tell you two words about Virginia that'll blow your mind: flush toilets.

So no more blowing shiatters? For some reason I don't miss that smell... at all.


Radioactive Ass: incendi: Also, I've seen what the torpedoman of the watch does... that 1000 hours of boredom for each adventure is literal. folks.

Is it any wonder that I have a twisted sense of humor after all of that? I did get a few funny stories out of it though, like how I used to fly a tiny home made kite down the wardroom passageway whenever the fans were on high during midwatch. Then I got busted by the CO coming down for an early breakfast, luckily for me he had a sense of humor and all that came out of it was a small POD note about how if you don't have anything else to do on watch you can always do some cleaning...


handgimp: There is no automatic fire suppression nor fire detection onboard any class of American submarine. Underway we have manned watches in all areas (save berthing) who are responsible and trained to observe, report and respond to casualties. As mentioned previously it is the most common drill to run; often we would do "code red"s every watch with a "code yellow" (involving the offgoing watch's response) at least once a day.


And listening to submariners talk always makes me glad that the Marine recruiter was right next door to the Navy one, and right after that bubblehead got done telling me about the joys of the "Silent Service", the Marine recruiter managed to convince me that crawling around in the mud would be more fun.

Seriously, all the respect in the world for you guys, I'll admit I never wanted to crawl into one of those underwater coffins. Give me a rifle and a 50 pound pack any day of the week.
 
2012-07-23 10:16:23 PM  

devildog123: Radioactive Ass: whyaduck: Lemme tell you two words about Virginia that'll blow your mind: flush toilets.

So no more blowing shiatters? For some reason I don't miss that smell... at all.

Radioactive Ass: incendi: Also, I've seen what the torpedoman of the watch does... that 1000 hours of boredom for each adventure is literal. folks.

Is it any wonder that I have a twisted sense of humor after all of that? I did get a few funny stories out of it though, like how I used to fly a tiny home made kite down the wardroom passageway whenever the fans were on high during midwatch. Then I got busted by the CO coming down for an early breakfast, luckily for me he had a sense of humor and all that came out of it was a small POD note about how if you don't have anything else to do on watch you can always do some cleaning...

handgimp: There is no automatic fire suppression nor fire detection onboard any class of American submarine. Underway we have manned watches in all areas (save berthing) who are responsible and trained to observe, report and respond to casualties. As mentioned previously it is the most common drill to run; often we would do "code red"s every watch with a "code yellow" (involving the offgoing watch's response) at least once a day.


And listening to submariners talk always makes me glad that the Marine recruiter was right next door to the Navy one, and right after that bubblehead got done telling me about the joys of the "Silent Service", the Marine recruiter managed to convince me that crawling around in the mud would be more fun.

Seriously, all the respect in the world for you guys, I'll admit I never wanted to crawl into one of those underwater coffins. Give me a rifle and a 50 pound pack any day of the week.


You're all heroic freaks to me.
 
2012-07-23 10:22:36 PM  
Yardbird has gambling debts or some other malady. economy sucks. unions set him up as patsy. economy good.
 
2012-07-23 10:24:35 PM  
d) cut off your ear?
wwwimage.cbsnews.com
/those wacky painters
 
2012-07-23 10:37:59 PM  
HiFiGuy

Whether it's setting a $400 million fire on a submarine, or opening fire in a crowded movie theater, my takeaway is that our country really needs to be improving its mental health resources.

The United States has a population over three hundred million now, and someone has to be the craziest rat in the outhouse.

Unfortunately, when this person pops up, the rest of us can be led to believe there's a problem threatening us all. In fact, we're just seeing the worst of three hundred million people broadcast into our homes by lightning-fast Internet and TV news. Some of it professionally packaged and delivered for maximum effect.

If you could quantify human fear into units and add them all up, this incident is getting a way higher total than it deserves. This is small-town tragedy on the scale of say a bad bus crash, blown hugely out of proportion. It's bad, but it isn't "Captain Trips breaks out" or "We bombed Iran and now we need to draft everyone's kids to the war" bad. That stuff would affect us as a nation.

These one-off, one-guy incidents can't be stopped, and statistically won't happen to you, ever.
 
2012-07-23 10:39:01 PM  

walkerhound: [inspired.tangraminteriors.com image 590x462]

Shoulda let him keep his stapler.


Came for this...using a batman towel to wipe up!
 
2012-07-23 10:41:48 PM  
Weird... Call me weird but I like to work, and work all day... Give me too may days or hours off in a row... and I get irritable. I like longish 10 hour work days, as long as I am actually working and doing something...
 
2012-07-23 10:50:52 PM  

Well when you have done A and B one too many times, sometimes you have to go to C.

And

Fury told Timothy Bailey, the polygraph examiner and a NCIS agen

theglobalherald.com

Son, I am dissapoint.

 
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