wildcardjack: Don't they have, like, serious fire suppression equipment on submarines because you seriously don't want a fire in your only pocket of air while under water.

Also, wouldn't the crew performing maintenance on the ship require pretty high clearances because they're about to poke around parts of the ship 95% of the crew never know about. You'd think anxiety would be one of the things they'd deny a clearance for because an anxious person would be easy to blackmail.

Serious fire suppresion? That's the job of the crew. You know, the people who weren't on the sub.

HotWingConspiracy: I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICA

F*CK YEAH!

/I like the way you think, but there are rules.

kingdd: Sailors could have died. With that in mind, hopefully this guy will get an appropriate sentence.

I agree that he caused an undue risk, but I don't think the sentence should be any more than if he had caused a risk to civilians.

Just another way to milk the citizens. These subs don't cost that much to build, but are inflated to that price. Likewise, nothing you could do would cause $400M worth of damages. Someday people will wise up to the scam that is defense contracting. Not any time soon. And not soon enough to make a difference, but you know...

Gyrfalcon: So if he was anxious and stressed in the confines of a nuclear sub...what's his anxiety level going to be in a 6x9 cell for the next 20 years?

Whatever it is, never take the top bunk around this guy.

janeuner: Did they mention if he was a homosexual?

Everyone wants to know about the turret explosion. Thankfully telling them that somehow a powder charge and a spark were involved and it was all accidental satisfies most inquiries.


/volunteers on the Iowa.

wildcardjack: Don't they have, like, serious fire suppression equipment on submarines because you seriously don't want a fire in your only pocket of air while under water.

The Polish army had a solution for this but the screen door kept rusting off.

ManateeGag: so what? Ballsack HUSSAIN 0bama spends that every time he takes his dog for a walk to piss all over the constitution.

0/10

/weak

can't they call it a terrorist act and have their insurance cover it?

Ive worked with people almost as big of idiots as this guy. They work harder trying to get out of work than the actual work would have taken

I believe fire suppression is undertaken by the crew and not an automated system. Being in dock I thought I read that the only crew on board was security and of course the reactor operators.

So... given current defense contract prices, the fire singed a toilet seat and burned the handles of a couple of hammers?

$400 million? Did he sink the damn thing? Did it cause nuclear radiation leakage? Sounds like these things are a little more fragile than I had imagined.

groppet: Ive worked with people almost as big of idiots as this guy. They work harder trying to get out of work than the actual work would have taken

It has nothing to do with the effort, but everything to do with getting the f**k outta there as soon as possible. You know how it is...

JonnyG: Just another way to milk the citizens. These subs don't cost that much to build, but are inflated to that price. Likewise, nothing you could do would cause $400M worth of damages. Someday people will wise up to the scam that is defense contracting. Not any time soon. And not soon enough to make a difference, but you know...

And yet...here we are.

kokomo61: Fury eventually admitted to setting the May 23 fire after agreeing to take a polygraph examination on Friday. When the polygraph examiner told Fury he wasn't being truthful in denying his involvement in the fire, Fury admitted he had caused the fire, the affidavit said.

I'm not going to say that the guy shouldn't go up the river for this....that's a major fark-up, and he's going to do hard time in a federal prison.....but don't make it easy for the man to slam dunk your ass.

Two rules to remember:

1) A polygraph is not a lie (or truth) detector. It's an interrogation tool.
2) The examiner is always going to tell you you're being deceptive.

Yeah, they're A) voluntary and B) completely inadmissable in court-- unless of course you up and confess. Therefore the only reason to give polygraphs is to scare gullible peope into admitting things. Why would you ever agree to take one?

wildcardjack: Don't they have, like, serious fire suppression equipment on submarines because you seriously don't want a fire in your only pocket of air while under water.

Aside from a very few locations (notably in the galley where historically most fires start) the crew is the serious fire suppression equipment.

Also, wouldn't the crew performing maintenance on the ship require pretty high clearances because they're about to poke around parts of the ship 95% of the crew never know about. You'd think anxiety would be one of the things they'd deny a clearance for because an anxious person would be easy to blackmail.

Trust me when I say that there is no part of the boat that everyone from the lowest seaman to the captain doesn't know about at least to some degree. Submarine qualifications make sure of that.

The "Crew performing maintenance" in this case was a civilian working for a shipyard (aka a Yardbird) and there are two types of them. One type has a very basic clearance (confidential at best) and generally works forward of the reactor compartment while the other type has a more rigorous clearance that allows them into the engineering spaces. This guy was obviously the former type.

From my own experience in shipyards as a sailor I can say that the painters are by far the dumbest of the yardbirds and are only trusted with a single paintbrush and a small pot of paint at a time and even then we had to go back and fix the crap that they "Accidentally" painted rendering it useless. I mean how hard is it to only paint metal and insulation and not rubber or formica?

As far as what a yardbird can gain access to it's pretty much limited to how high a gauge reading can go up to and then try to infer what it means. There's actually a "Rig for visitors" checklist that essentially is just covering certain gauges and dials and putting away classified documents.

JonnyG: Just another way to milk the citizens. These subs don't cost that much to build, but are inflated to that price. Likewise, nothing you could do would cause $400M worth of damages. Someday people will wise up to the scam that is defense contracting. Not any time soon. And not soon enough to make a difference, but you know...

By the time you end up replacing burned stuff, re-inspecting systems that might have been compromised by the heat (every pipe joint and valve for starters has to be taken apart and put back together again along with all of the paperwork that that can entail for some systems) or smoke (it eats up electronics and a lot of them are specialized boards that can cost upwards of $5000 each due to their not being mass produced but custom made) you can go through 400 million pretty quickly and if this boat hadn't just undergone an expensive refueling there's a good chance that they would've decommissioned her instead of repairing her.

xl5150: kingdd: Sailors could have died. With that in mind, hopefully this guy will get an appropriate sentence.

I agree that he caused an undue risk, but I don't think the sentence should be any more than if he had caused a risk to civilians.

I agree with your statement. He did risk injury to more than just sailors. There were several dozen fire fighters and sailors that risked there lives putting that fire out. I know people that were onboard trying to put it out. Unbearable heat, smoke so thick you could barely see and cramped spaces. They are lucky there were only minor injuries.

Granolabar: Yeah, they're A) voluntary and B) completely inadmissable in court-- unless of course you up and confess. Therefore the only reason to give polygraphs is to scare gullible peope into admitting things. Why would you ever agree to take one?

Because you're gullible.

He sounds white.

so all it took to put the sub out of commission was some rags and a lighter?

NightOwl2255: Maybe it was a condition of his employment that he take one if asked. And being a sweet union job that paid $40 and hour, he didn't want to lost it.

I'm absolutely positively sure that it was a condition of employment and that it's likely that there were worse penalties than simply losing his job for refusing to take one that he had agreed to in writing before he was employed.

Actual damage = $146.15 plus tax

If I accidently arsoned a navy ship I think I'd be trying to defect to the cubans or something

Igor Jakovsky: so all it took to put the sub out of commission was some rags and a lighter?

Submariners are much more concerned about fire than they are pretty much any other type of casualty, up to and including flooding. It's the most common drill that the crew does underway (sometimes 3-4 times a day for weeks at a time).

Lemme show ya something!

NightOwl2255: Granolabar: Yeah, they're A) voluntary and B) completely inadmissable in court-- unless of course you up and confess. Therefore the only reason to give polygraphs is to scare gullible peope into admitting things. Why would you ever agree to take one?

Maybe it was a condition of his employment that he take one if asked. And being a sweet union job that paid $40 and hour, he didn't want to lost it.

Good thing he took it then, he'll need his sweet union job in federal prison.

Man On Pink Corner: Gyrfalcon: Yeah....I'm not sure the crew would be OK with sleeping on steel bunks, using metal blankets, and wearing plate armor instead of clothes, you know?

Fine, so the bedding catches on fire. Then what?

Are you telling me they use flammable insulation on these things?

In short... Yes.They used to use asbestos but, well, you know, some people had a problem with that so they used something else instead. Like I said above, fires are the thing that submariners fear most of all. Now that's not to say that it will spark up easily, it doesn't, but once it does it's a biatch to put out because of its inherent porosity that prevents applying water directly on it and it creates a toxic smoke that has carcinogenic compounds in it.

This is the type of quality worker we can come to expect once the Repubs get they way and sell off every Govt contract for a tidy profit. RUSSIAN Quality!!!! I know why not out source the jobs to China? What could go wrong?

"You desperately need to get out of work early. Do you A) tell your supervisor that you're sick, B) fake a family emergency, or C) set fire to a US Navy nuclear attack sub?"

At first glance I saw a handful of words and thought I was greenlit. Oh well. Great minds think alike, particularly with Fark-standard formatting.

Cretony38: This is the type of quality worker we can come to expect once the Repubs get they way and sell off every Govt contract for a tidy profit. RUSSIAN Quality!!!! I know why not out source the jobs to China? What could go wrong?

Portsmouth is a government owned and operated shipyard. You're thinking of Newport News or Electric boat.

Radioactive Ass: Cretony38: This is the type of quality worker we can come to expect once the Repubs get they way and sell off every Govt contract for a tidy profit. RUSSIAN Quality!!!! I know why not out source the jobs to China? What could go wrong?

Portsmouth is a government owned and operated shipyard. You're thinking of Newport News or Electric boat.

Isn't that why they didn't close it during the last round of cuts? Calling it the gold standard and all that?

Terrurgency?

;)

PunGent: Bio-nic: I hope he enjoys being in Leavenworth...

Isn't that just for military? pretty sure he's a civilian...

Easy confusion. "Leavenworth" refers to not one, but two (or three), federal prisons at Fort Leavenworth. One is the United States Disciplinary Barracks (that is now the only prison for UCMJ sentences of over a year). The other is the United States Penitentiary, Leavenworth, a medium-security (formerly maximum security) BOP facility with a minimum-security satellite camp.

BgJonson79: Isn't that why they didn't close it during the last round of cuts? Calling it the gold standard and all that?

I wouldn't cut it just because I think that it's a good idea to not have to solely rely on two civilian contractors for something as vital and difficult to do as build and refit submarines (although no USN shipyard has built a ship or boat since McNamara was the SecNav back in the 70's and deemed their use only for repairs they still have that capability if the need should arise).

KrispyKritter: that's b.s. they want to throw this guy in prison. sure, he farked up big time. he also is going through a crapload of problems in his life right now. he should have been pulled from work and collecting workmens comp or disability while he was recovering from what ails him. he was probably in fear of losing his job. job goes, money goes, insurance goes and wham you're homeless.

many employers treat ill employees like crap. you're fine as long as you're a work horse but the minute you fall ill you're screwed. you probably know someone that happened to yourself. nothing like kicking a guy when he's down.

8/10

HopScotchNSoda: PunGent: Bio-nic: I hope he enjoys being in Leavenworth...

Isn't that just for military? pretty sure he's a civilian...

Easy confusion. "Leavenworth" refers to not one, but two (or three), federal prisons at Fort Leavenworth. One is the United States Disciplinary Barracks (that is now the only prison for UCMJ sentences of over a year). The other is the United States Penitentiary, Leavenworth, a medium-security (formerly maximum security) BOP facility with a minimum-security satellite camp.

Huh...I did not know that. Thanks.

TeDDD: "You desperately need to get out of work early. Do you A) tell your supervisor that you're sick, B) fake a family emergency, or C) set fire to a US Navy nuclear attack sub?"

At first glance I saw a handful of words and thought I was greenlit. Oh well. Great minds think alike, particularly with Fark-standard formatting.

I've tried to be witty and unique in my headlines and up until today I've had zero accepted. Sorry man. You'll day will come.

/semi guilty feeling subby

GAT_00: I'm pretty sure you can fart too hard and cause $400M in damage to a Virginia, but it takes a bit more work to do it to a Los Angeles.

Came here to post this.