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2012-07-23 03:53:57 PM
He's only a lad.

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2012-07-23 03:54:36 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Is crazy an emotion?


If you're doing it right.
 
2012-07-23 03:55:28 PM
he is not the first or last schmuck to mass murder innocent people.
as a member of society, i have no answer.
perhaps a cutting him into little pieces on live TV until he dies an agonizing death might send a message to stop these random killing of innocent people. but who is going to cut him? the victim's family?
they would not have the strength or courage- i know i would not be able to do that.
until we find an answer, there will be no remedy.
 
2012-07-23 03:58:43 PM
Probably really is crazy, but execute him anyway.
 
2012-07-23 03:59:49 PM

pippi longstocking: I don't think it would be right to execute him.

He's not some career criminal thug, he is without a doubt suffering from severe chemical imbalances that he was born with.

His type of schizophrenia commonly appears during adolescence and early adulthood, he's actually a typical case of mental disorder. He is no more responsible for him being deranged than any of you are for being your skin color or height.


Thank you.
 
2012-07-23 04:01:09 PM

downstairs: JackieRabbit: Who is the woman who was sitting to his right? I haven't read anything about her. I am thinking his lawyers are going to go for a mental incompetency thing. They have plenty of ammo for this.

I don't know about that. The dude was going for a PhD and by all accounts (many of which I understand haven't come out) he didn't exhibit any crazy behavior. According to Wiki its used in only 2% of felony cases, and is only successful 25% of the time.

Basically you have to be absolutely bat shiat crazy out of your mind, with zero control over your actions. I'm just not seeing it here.


That's just it. He was an honor student as an undergraduate and was a graduate student. Why would he "snap" and do something so heinous? To me rigging your apartment with bombs to ill investigators and going to a movie theater to kill 12 people and injure 50 more is bat shiat crazy. To me, but not the law -- I'm not saying he's crazy, but his lawyers would be fools not to at least pursue the possibility.
 
2012-07-23 04:01:21 PM
Once they get him to talk enough for us to have some idea of what was going through his brain they should just drop him in general population. Problem solved.
 
2012-07-23 04:01:41 PM

expobill: he is not the first or last schmuck to mass murder innocent people.
as a member of society, i have no answer.
perhaps a cutting him into little pieces on live TV until he dies an agonizing death might send a message to stop these random killing of innocent people. but who is going to cut him? the victim's family?
they would not have the strength or courage- i know i would not be able to do that.
until we find an answer, there will be no remedy.


lh3.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-07-23 04:02:19 PM

expobill: he is not the first or last schmuck to mass murder innocent people.
as a member of society, i have no answer.
perhaps a cutting him into little pieces on live TV until he dies an agonizing death might send a message to stop these random killing of innocent people. but who is going to cut him? the victim's family?
they would not have the strength or courage- i know i would not be able to do that.
until we find an answer, there will be no remedy.

There are no innocent civilians. It is their government and you are fighting a people, you are not trying to fight an armed force anymore. So it doesn't bother me so much to be killing the so-called innocent bystanders.


The Box Office Wars

/too soon?
 
2012-07-23 04:05:18 PM
i6.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-23 04:05:43 PM

retarded: I watched his court appearance on CNN and he looked like he was falling asleep. He kept nodding out and couldn't keep his eyes open.

What a crazy person.


noticed that, was wondering if they feed him some drugs to keep him quiet or something
 
2012-07-23 04:06:03 PM
Knew someone with a brain tumor, his personalty changed from a shy easy going fellow to a violent, bash your face in maniac, tumor was taken out and he was himself again...just saying maybe he needs a brain scan.
 
2012-07-23 04:09:05 PM
Death by firing squad.

Court adjourned.
 
2012-07-23 04:09:06 PM

Alexander Mouse: Knew someone with a brain tumor, his personalty changed from a shy easy going fellow to a violent, bash your face in maniac, tumor was taken out and he was himself again...just saying maybe he needs a brain scan.


it is not a tumor
 
2012-07-23 04:09:43 PM

downstairs: JackieRabbit: Who is the woman who was sitting to his right? I haven't read anything about her. I am thinking his lawyers are going to go for a mental incompetency thing. They have plenty of ammo for this.

I don't know about that. The dude was going for a PhD and by all accounts (many of which I understand haven't come out) he didn't exhibit any crazy behavior. According to Wiki its used in only 2% of felony cases, and is only successful 25% of the time.

Basically you have to be absolutely bat shiat crazy out of your mind, with zero control over your actions. I'm just not seeing it here.


The last case where I can remember it being successfully used was the guy in Canada who decapitated a guy on a Greyhound bus. That guy had schizophrenia and I believe he was even found not fit to stand trial because he was so farked in the head. He's in a mental institution now.

Celerian: The dude had two kids that he should have been responsible for. At LEAST one of them was his own flesh and blood. His #1 priority as a parent is protecting that 4 month old. Running like a pussy is NOT an option.

He then goes on to say that he wouldn't want to live if they didn't make it out alive. It's a damn good thing that his girlfriend was braver than he was, because both those kids might be dead if they had to rely on him to protect them. At least the 4 year old could try and make a dash for it. The 4 month old was helpless. And if they all died and he escaped, would he have taken his own life? Then he had no reason not to go back for them.


Not only that, he farking DROVE OFF before he even knew whether or not they made it out.
 
2012-07-23 04:09:56 PM

SevenizGud: Death by firing squad.

Court adjourned.


that will not stop these annual random shooting though
 
2012-07-23 04:10:29 PM

Alexander Mouse: Knew someone with a brain tumor, his personalty changed from a shy easy going fellow to a violent, bash your face in maniac, tumor was taken out and he was himself again...just saying maybe he needs a brain scan.


the dude is a neuroscientist. if anyone knows what to do to act crazy to get away with murder, it's him.

this guy is going to play every single lawyer and shrink. he wants to pretend he's the Joker. Isn't that what the Joker would do?
 
2012-07-23 04:13:50 PM

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: "Rohrs described how he lost 4-month-old Ethan in the darkness, gunfire and smoke in the theater and how he had to decide whether to search for the baby or escape the theater himself. He chose the latter."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueh_1PeJhaQ
 
2012-07-23 04:15:44 PM

downstairs: brigid_fitch: A friend of mine took her 2-month-old to the last Indiana Jones movie. The baby was always REALLY good--never really cried or fussed no matter how loud the noise levels at home got, so figured she'd take the chance. She fully expected to bail if the baby acted up but the kid slept through the whole movie.

Totally cool unless it was a midnight movie.


Disagree. Totally uncool in any circumstance.

Parents cannot be trusted to determine when their crying or fussy child has become excessively unruly. In fact, even if you leave the theater at the beginning of fussiness (yeah, right), you've already disrupted the whole theater too much.

What does "never really cried or fussed" even mean? It sounds like their was some level of crying or fussing. I'm sure "never really cried or fussed" means something different to the person you are speaking of than it does to the rest of the audience who is not entranced with how adorable and special their child is.

Taking babies to the movies should not be treated as a socially acceptable practice.

Be an adult. Learn to be considerate of others. Start by not taking babies or toddlers or children to movies that they cannot hope to understand, and do not belong at.

Sorry I sound like an inflexible dick on this topic, but I love the movies and have had too many movie experiences diminished by innumerable thoughtless, selfish assholes.
 
2012-07-23 04:16:05 PM

pippi longstocking: I don't think it would be right to execute him.

He's not some career criminal thug, he is without a doubt suffering from severe chemical imbalances that he was born with.

His type of schizophrenia commonly appears during adolescence and early adulthood, he's actually a typical case of mental disorder. He is no more responsible for him being deranged than any of you are for being your skin color or height.


Whether sane or not, he's proven he's a danger to society and will most likely die behind bars. Whether he's executed or not, his life as a free person is over. That's just the reality of the situation.
 
2012-07-23 04:16:41 PM

Hand Banana: IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: "Rohrs described how he lost 4-month-old Ethan in the darkness, gunfire and smoke in the theater and how he had to decide whether to search for the baby or escape the theater himself. He chose the latter."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueh_1PeJhaQ



I'd forgotten about that episode. Thanks for the laugh! :D
 
2012-07-23 04:18:20 PM

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www.ballsgohere.com
 
2012-07-23 04:18:35 PM
img96.imageshack.us
 
2012-07-23 04:20:07 PM

AFKobel: downstairs: brigid_fitch: A friend of mine took her 2-month-old to the last Indiana Jones movie. The baby was always REALLY good--never really cried or fussed no matter how loud the noise levels at home got, so figured she'd take the chance. She fully expected to bail if the baby acted up but the kid slept through the whole movie.

Totally cool unless it was a midnight movie.

Disagree. Totally uncool in any circumstance.


QFT. Wait for the rental. Let the rest of us enjoy our farking movie.
 
2012-07-23 04:21:50 PM

pippi longstocking: I don't think it would be right to execute him.

He's not some career criminal thug, he is without a doubt suffering from severe chemical imbalances that he was born with.

His type of schizophrenia commonly appears during adolescence and early adulthood, he's actually a typical case of mental disorder. He is no more responsible for him being deranged than any of you are for being your skin color or height.


Thank you for this. My little brother had his schizophrenic break the March before he turned 21. He went from "normal" to "batshiat crazy" in about 3 weeks...the delusions and hallucinations are very REAL to individuals with schizophrenia AND schizophrenia knows NO socio-economic or IQ bounds.

Every single aspect of this case is gut wrenching...
 
2012-07-23 04:22:18 PM

AFKobel: downstairs: brigid_fitch: A friend of mine took her 2-month-old to the last Indiana Jones movie. The baby was always REALLY good--never really cried or fussed no matter how loud the noise levels at home got, so figured she'd take the chance. She fully expected to bail if the baby acted up but the kid slept through the whole movie.

Totally cool unless it was a midnight movie.

Disagree. Totally uncool in any circumstance.

Parents cannot be trusted to determine when their crying or fussy child has become excessively unruly. In fact, even if you leave the theater at the beginning of fussiness (yeah, right), you've already disrupted the whole theater too much.

What does "never really cried or fussed" even mean? It sounds like their was some level of crying or fussing. I'm sure "never really cried or fussed" means something different to the person you are speaking of than it does to the rest of the audience who is not entranced with how adorable and special their child is.

Taking babies to the movies should not be treated as a socially acceptable practice.

Be an adult. Learn to be considerate of others. Start by not taking babies or toddlers or children to movies that they cannot hope to understand, and do not belong at.

Sorry I sound like an inflexible dick on this topic, but I love the movies and have had too many movie experiences diminished by innumerable thoughtless, selfish assholes.


I agree. We have yet to take our 1 yr old to the movies. Even if he didn't fuss (which he would, what with being a baby and all), that shiat is too loud for his little ears. There's no good reason to do it at all.

If you want to take your baby to the movies, take em to a drive-in for chrissakes.
 
2012-07-23 04:22:18 PM

JackieRabbit: That's just it. He was an honor student as an undergraduate and was a graduate student. Why would he "snap" and do something so heinous? To me rigging your apartment with bombs to ill investigators and going to a movie theater to kill 12 people and injure 50 more is bat shiat crazy. To me, but not the law -- I'm not saying he's crazy, but his lawyers would be fools not to at least pursue the possibility.


Oh, of course. That's their job. I'm just thinking its not going to happen. Also, doesn't the extremely pre-meditated nature of this entire event (researching and buying weaponry and military-grade armor, booby-trapping his apartment, the whole techno thing to entice police to break into his apartment) really kill any insanity defense?

I understand why a schizophrenic would own a gun or two. They're often paranoid, and think people are after them. But when they "snap" isn't it generally an instant thing?

Or, on the other hand, don't they generally have some sort of obsession with killing a specific individual?
 
2012-07-23 04:24:15 PM
came heres to say Cartman wus right aboot gingers
 
2012-07-23 04:25:16 PM
"I saw the coward in court today and Alex could have wiped the floor with him without breaking a sweat," said Teves.

Sure he could. Say: where is he, anyway?
 
2012-07-23 04:32:22 PM

Smeggy Smurf: GrizzlyAdamsRox: Umm...I just noticed the 'Repeat' tag. How long has that been around?

Several times recently


If only mods used it every time there was one on the Main page.
 
2012-07-23 04:34:06 PM

brandied: I hope this doesn't end up being a long drawn out ordeal.

I think we have the evidence that he killed all of these people, now what do we do about it?

I know what my vote would be...


This is a scary mentality to me, for a couple reasons.

First, you think there is enough evidence, so you're recommending we skip the trial and go to mob-rule sentencing.

Do you have any evidence other than what you've seen in news reports? Is that why you're so confident it's time for sentencing? It's scary that you've just decided to make up your mind on someone's guilt based on what the media tells you.

Second, do you care whether or not he has a medical condition? A brain tumor? A sudden mental illness? Or is it just "Did he pull the trigger?" If yes, execute?

Because you, or someone you love, could develop that same condition tomorrow. I'm sure your level of compassion and sentencing would change at that point.

This is an infuriatingly senseless and horrific crime. Blood lust is a certainly understandable reaction. I wouldn't begrudge anyone who was touched by this tragedy those emotions.

But from a less emotional standpoint, I'd suggest that maybe an evaluation of his health, including his ability to stand trial, and if so, an actual trial is more appropriate than a lynch mob.
 
2012-07-23 04:38:42 PM
I think he was just trying to steal the thunder from Sidearm Mel...
 
2012-07-23 04:42:54 PM
Wasn't Breivik ruled insane? He planned his mass killing for a pretty long time as well. Planning doesn't rule out insanity, it could work for Holmes. That was Norawy though...not Murika.
 
2012-07-23 04:45:45 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Is crazy an emotion?


It was for my ex.
 
2012-07-23 04:48:53 PM

brigid_fitch: Skirl Hutsenreiter: quantum_csc: Egoy3k: Denise Paba, whose 6-year-old niece Veronica Moser was killed in the mass shooting at an Aurora, Colo., screening of the latest Batman movie, grieves during a July 22 memorial.

Not to blame the parents for the kids death or anything but WTF? Why on earth was a 6 year old at the midnight showing of The Dark knight Rises anyway? What kind of dipshiat brings their young child to a midnight showing of a violent action film? Can you imagine buying a ticket for the midnight showing and then having to sit near some dipshiat's annoying child?

I thought the same about this and the three month baby that was injured...WTF are you doing with 3 month old at the farking Batman movie

I know. I heard the father talking about his experience, and while I was glad the baby's okay, I couldn't help but wonder why anyone would think that a 3 month old should go to a mega-loud action movie at all.

I don't think it's a big deal as long as 1) you think the baby can handle it and 2) you're prepared to LEAVE THE FARKING THEATRE if that kid starts getting fussy. A friend of mine took her 2-month-old to the last Indiana Jones movie. The baby was always REALLY good--never really cried or fussed no matter how loud the noise levels at home got, so figured she'd take the chance. She fully expected to bail if the baby acted up but the kid slept through the whole movie.

/I think my friend wishes she did, too.
//What an awful movie.

The decibel level in a theater for an action movie is not acceptable for an infants ears, even if they sleep through it.
 
2012-07-23 04:52:53 PM
Bad comparision: Sideshow Bob never successfully killed anyone.
 
2012-07-23 04:57:32 PM
ubyssey.ca
This guy
 
2012-07-23 04:57:36 PM

SomeBrunette: Also, to whomever asked about the lady sitting next to him, probably part of the defense team put there only to put something more pleasant to look at then the crazy red-headed freak next to her. Totally playing to potential jurors, IMHO. Plainly our client is crazy because here is the opposite of crazy sitting next to him.


I thought you said it was a lady sitting next to him?
 
2012-07-23 04:59:55 PM
This is just a quick comment re. tiny infants (not toddlers or small children) in theaters: my ob gyn doctor said to go to see movies when your kid is under six months old because the loud soundtrack actually puts them to sleep. The sound inside the womb is analogous to a vacuum cleaner what with all the breathing and digesting, etc going on. Any older and the sound of the movie will keep them awake and crying. Anyway, I was way too tired too see any movies when my boy was a baby.
 
2012-07-23 05:00:32 PM

ArcadianRefugee: Someone who realizes that he is the most important person in his life is a loser? Okay....

/survival = winning


Fair enough. But the woman is an idiot for agreeing to marry someone that will abandon her and her kids at the first sign of trouble and then rationalize about it later. "I was a man about it and shiat. I mean, if they survived the shooting, who was going to be there to care for them? Me."
 
2012-07-23 05:05:16 PM

Eustacia Vye: This is just a quick comment re. tiny infants (not toddlers or small children) in theaters: my ob gyn doctor said to go to see movies when your kid is under six months old because the loud soundtrack actually puts them to sleep. The sound inside the womb is analogous to a vacuum cleaner what with all the breathing and digesting, etc going on. Any older and the sound of the movie will keep them awake and crying. Anyway, I was way too tired too see any movies when my boy was a baby.


Oh, well, I retract my earliest comments. If you're at the movies at the advice of your doctor, please, don't let the fact that there are hundreds of other people paying to see a movie disturb your child's attempt at sleepy time ...

Can we get him a pillow?

Seriously, can we have the name of the doctor who is telling people with infants to go to movies?
 
2012-07-23 05:10:53 PM
Some random thoughts on punishment...

1. Is it really possible to actually achieve anything close to real retribution for really notorious crimes? I doubt it. John Wayne Gacy tortured 33 boys to death--does a lethal injection or even electrocution come close to paying him back for even one death? For real retribution, you'd have to torture Gacy to death, then revive him and kill him 32 more times--and that's just for starters. Then you have to factor in the hundreds of friends and family members of the boys whose lives were shattered, not to mention the millions of people whose lives were made marginally grimmer by this bastard. To come close to retribution, you'd have to hook up Gacy (or this asshole, Sideshow McDonald) to a torture machine, stick a feeding tube down his throat, and torment him for as long as his body holds out. Of course, you'd be doing something so monstrously evil that you'd make Stalin look like a boy scout, but it'd be the only way to guarantee retribution.

2. Lethal injection is about the least painful way to die imaginable--nearly every law-abiding person out there will experience more pain in dying from cancer, etc. I personally would choose a quick execution over rotting in prison for the rest of my life, especially if I ended up in solitary. My main grudge against capital punishment is that it's too easy. If you want to really hurt a criminal, but don't actually want to torture them, stuff them in solitary confinement--they tend to go insane(r) after a few years.

3. What about 'voluntary capital punishment'? I think everybody has a right to die, even criminals. What if we had a system of voluntary executions where a murderer, after signing the right documents, had a suicide kit of some sorts delivered to his cell? It would save seven years of paperwork, zillions of dollars, the victim's family would have closure, and the murderer would have a chance to atone for his crime. Makes perfect sense--which is why it would never be implemented in our judicial system.

4. I think the desire for justice is just as strong of an impulse for religion as the fear of death. I personally like the idea of karma--even if it's not real--because that seems to be the most just of all. Karma means that John Wayne Gacy is doomed to being brutally murdered in his next 33 reincarnations and have his life devastated by a family member's death in the next several hundred.

What sucks about Christianity is that if Gacy repented before his execution, he's now in Heaven and if any of the boys he murdered were above the Age of Accountability and were a non-Christian, that kid is burning in Hell. One of the more compelling reasons I abandoned Christianity...

/personally, I hope Sideshow Jackass the Danny Bonaduce (sp?) look-alike gets enough time in GP to get his face messed up like a Picasso painting
//but lifetime incarceration in a mental hospital works, too; supposedly they're worse than maximum-security prisons
 
2012-07-23 05:17:25 PM

ambienAnnie: I've forcibly given patients haldol in the ass to calm them


How you doin?
 
2012-07-23 05:33:16 PM

AFKobel: Eustacia Vye: This is just a quick comment re. tiny infants (not toddlers or small children) in theaters: my ob gyn doctor said to go to see movies when your kid is under six months old because the loud soundtrack actually puts them to sleep. The sound inside the womb is analogous to a vacuum cleaner what with all the breathing and digesting, etc going on. Any older and the sound of the movie will keep them awake and crying. Anyway, I was way too tired too see any movies when my boy was a baby.

Oh, well, I retract my earliest comments. If you're at the movies at the advice of your doctor, please, don't let the fact that there are hundreds of other people paying to see a movie disturb your child's attempt at sleepy time ...

Can we get him a pillow?

Seriously, can we have the name of the doctor who is telling people with infants to go to movies?


I didn't word it clearly, but my underlying point is that a tiny infant will be a silent presence due to sleeping soundly thru the whole movie. A toddler or a young child in a theater showing a scary action film is a ridiculously bad idea. It really surprised me that there was six year old girl among the victims.
 
2012-07-23 05:41:48 PM

Eustacia Vye: AFKobel: Eustacia Vye: This is just a quick comment re. tiny infants (not toddlers or small children) in theaters: my ob gyn doctor said to go to see movies when your kid is under six months old because the loud soundtrack actually puts them to sleep. The sound inside the womb is analogous to a vacuum cleaner what with all the breathing and digesting, etc going on. Any older and the sound of the movie will keep them awake and crying. Anyway, I was way too tired too see any movies when my boy was a baby.

Oh, well, I retract my earliest comments. If you're at the movies at the advice of your doctor, please, don't let the fact that there are hundreds of other people paying to see a movie disturb your child's attempt at sleepy time ...

Can we get him a pillow?

Seriously, can we have the name of the doctor who is telling people with infants to go to movies?

I didn't word it clearly, but my underlying point is that a tiny infant will be a silent presence due to sleeping soundly thru the whole movie. A toddler or a young child in a theater showing a scary action film is a ridiculously bad idea. It really surprised me that there was six year old girl among the victims.


Because DOLBY EARMELTER THX5000 UBERSOUND is exactly the same as mom's small intestine after a double pepperoni pizza?
 
2012-07-23 05:42:10 PM
Ronald Mcdonald has finally snapped, fries with that.. Ill give you some fries motha farker
www.rumorguru.com
 
2012-07-23 05:55:17 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-23 05:58:09 PM

Flakeloaf: Eustacia Vye: AFKobel: Eustacia Vye: This is just a quick comment re. tiny infants (not toddlers or small children) in theaters: my ob gyn doctor said to go to see movies when your kid is under six months old because the loud soundtrack actually puts them to sleep. The sound inside the womb is analogous to a vacuum cleaner what with all the breathing and digesting, etc going on. Any older and the sound of the movie will keep them awake and crying. Anyway, I was way too tired too see any movies when my boy was a baby.

Oh, well, I retract my earliest comments. If you're at the movies at the advice of your doctor, please, don't let the fact that there are hundreds of other people paying to see a movie disturb your child's attempt at sleepy time ...

Can we get him a pillow?

Seriously, can we have the name of the doctor who is telling people with infants to go to movies?

I didn't word it clearly, but my underlying point is that a tiny infant will be a silent presence due to sleeping soundly thru the whole movie. A toddler or a young child in a theater showing a scary action film is a ridiculously bad idea. It really surprised me that there was six year old girl among the victims.

Because DOLBY EARMELTER THX5000 UBERSOUND is exactly the same as mom's small intestine after a double pepperoni pizza?


I was skeptical about that as well, but should pregnant women not go to movies either? Are G rated movies like Curious George too loud for toddlers? I still wonder about this little factoid after all these years. Babies are strangely tough and fragile at the same time.
 
2012-07-23 06:04:22 PM

Egoy3k: Denise Paba, whose 6-year-old niece Veronica Moser was killed in the mass shooting at an Aurora, Colo., screening of the latest Batman movie, grieves during a July 22 memorial.

Not to blame the parents for the kids death or anything but WTF? Why on earth was a 6 year old at the midnight showing of The Dark knight Rises anyway? What kind of dipshiat brings their young child to a midnight showing of a violent action film? Can you imagine buying a ticket for the midnight showing and then having to sit near some dipshiat's annoying child?


As I've said, when I saw Sin City a few years back, there were UN-attended six year olds in the audience.

Some folks' parenting standards....are different, I guess.
 
2012-07-23 06:15:40 PM

Eustacia Vye:
I was skeptical about that as well, but should pregnant women not go to movies either? Are G rated movies like Curious George too loud for toddlers? I still wonder about this little factoid after all these years. Babies are strangely tough and fragile at the same time.


I've always been fascinated by that too. Nature has built them tough enough to survive thirteen-year-old humans as parents. Anyone with the sense to worry about their own kid probably won't hurt it.
 
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