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(Deadspin)   Boston Red Sox prospect Shaq Thompson finally quits baseball with a final stat line of 0-for-39, 37 strikeouts   (deadspin.com) divider line 48
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2012-07-23 01:48:05 PM  
So pitching is like shooting free throws?
 
2012-07-23 02:05:08 PM  
prospect?
 
2012-07-23 02:12:05 PM  
I'm pretty sure I could do that.
 
2012-07-23 02:14:15 PM  
i think a person who stood in the batters box 39 times and never swung once could do better than that. they would probably come away with about 10-12 walks.
 
2012-07-23 02:14:46 PM  

MugzyBrown: I'm pretty sure I could do that.


Knowing nothing about you, I am confident you're right.
 
2012-07-23 02:16:09 PM  

SlothB77: i think a person who stood in the batters box 39 times and never swung once could do better than that. they would probably come away with about 10-12 walks.


Although a challenge of this stat is that he very well could have done that because a walk does not count as an at-bat.
 
2012-07-23 02:17:34 PM  
And now pitching for the other team, number 18, Aaron Carter!
 
2012-07-23 02:18:47 PM  
The 18th-round draft pick of the Boston Red Sox also happens to be the top ranked prep school safety in the nation, and will attend the University of Washington in the fall.

Oh, cool. UW sure could have used someone who could tackle last year (I think Terrance Ganoway just scored another touchdown). Hopefully he'll have an easier time hittting people than hitting curveballs.
 
2012-07-23 02:20:03 PM  

MugzyBrown: I'm pretty sure I could do that.


Remember, he had to field also.
 
2012-07-23 02:21:48 PM  

This Looks Fun: SlothB77: i think a person who stood in the batters box 39 times and never swung once could do better than that. they would probably come away with about 10-12 walks.

Although a challenge of this stat is that he very well could have done that because a walk does not count as an at-bat.


Eight times, actually. Kinda misleading for TFA not to tell us that. Not that his .170 OPS makes him any more qualified to play professional baseball than we thought he was.
 
2012-07-23 02:22:53 PM  
But how many walks did he have? How many sac flies? What was his FDE, NBY, and ELIC? You can't just go cherry picking numbers like straight strikeouts, and deduce from that a Player Value Ranking or even a DSA or HGFD. You can't even get within 10 points of a JHY with such a tiny subset of numbers, any idiot knows that. Yet here is subby, muddying the waters by conveniently plucking certain numbers under specific conditions and looking for a cheap laugh in the process. All it does is show what an ignorant moron subby is and how he doesn't appreciate any of the game's finer points.

I watch Cubs games every afternoon on a black and white TV with rabbit ears for the tradition of it all, gives me that old school baseball feel that makes the game what it is.
 
2012-07-23 02:23:01 PM  

This Looks Fun: SlothB77: i think a person who stood in the batters box 39 times and never swung once could do better than that. they would probably come away with about 10-12 walks.

Although a challenge of this stat is that he very well could have done that because a walk does not count as an at-bat.


If I remember right, he had numbers like this last week and at that point he had eight walks and three runs scored.

degenerate-afro: MugzyBrown: I'm pretty sure I could do that.

Remember, he had to field also.


Yeah, most Farkers could field. It's really, really easy to field in baseball.
 
2012-07-23 02:25:55 PM  

This Looks Fun: SlothB77: i think a person who stood in the batters box 39 times and never swung once could do better than that. they would probably come away with about 10-12 walks.

Although a challenge of this stat is that he very well could have done that because a walk does not count as an at-bat.


good point.
 
2012-07-23 02:27:37 PM  

IAmRight: degenerate-afro: MugzyBrown: I'm pretty sure I could do that.

Remember, he had to field also.

Yeah, most Farkers could field. It's really, really easy to field in baseball.


As an Orioles fan, I wish fielding was easy in baseball. We would probably still be in first place (well, closer to first base) without having to worry about Reynolds and Betemit.
 
2012-07-23 02:31:22 PM  
I'm Canadian, so I don't follow the NCAA terribly closely. I had thought if a player turns pro, he loses his amateur status regardless of the sport he was going to playing at the college level
 
2012-07-23 02:32:43 PM  
I would think that the marketing dept. in the minors would have a field day promoting his case of futility.
 
2012-07-23 02:35:31 PM  

UncleStumpy: I'm Canadian, so I don't follow the NCAA terribly closely. I had thought if a player turns pro, he loses his amateur status regardless of the sport he was going to playing at the college level


Nope. There are plenty of college football players who are also professional baseball players. And some, like Brandon Weeden, who went to college only after playing several years in the minor leagues.
 
2012-07-23 02:36:59 PM  

Super Chronic: The 18th-round draft pick of the Boston Red Sox also happens to be the top ranked prep school safety in the nation, and will attend the University of Washington in the fall.

Oh, cool. UW sure could have used someone who could tackle last year (I think Terrance Ganoway just scored another touchdown). Hopefully he'll have an easier time hittting people than hitting curveballs.


Shaq cannot hit curveball. Opposing offensive players, he hit them very much. Curveball, bats are afraid. He ask Jobu to come, take fear from bats. He offer him cigar, rum.
 
2012-07-23 02:43:53 PM  

IAmRight: This Looks Fun: SlothB77: i think a person who stood in the batters box 39 times and never swung once could do better than that. they would probably come away with about 10-12 walks.

Although a challenge of this stat is that he very well could have done that because a walk does not count as an at-bat.

If I remember right, he had numbers like this last week and at that point he had eight walks and three runs scored.

degenerate-afro: MugzyBrown: I'm pretty sure I could do that.

Remember, he had to field also.

Yeah, most Farkers could field. It's really, really easy to field in baseball.


If Manny could do it...

1.bp.blogspot.com

...of course Manny could hit like a estrogen fueled motherfarker.
 
2012-07-23 02:45:17 PM  
www.bobuecker.com

Well, there's always broadcasting.

or t.v. and movies
 
2012-07-23 02:47:54 PM  
images.wikia.com
 
2012-07-23 02:48:00 PM  

dallylamma: IAmRight: This Looks Fun: SlothB77: i think a person who stood in the batters box 39 times and never swung once could do better than that. they would probably come away with about 10-12 walks.

Although a challenge of this stat is that he very well could have done that because a walk does not count as an at-bat.

If I remember right, he had numbers like this last week and at that point he had eight walks and three runs scored.

degenerate-afro: MugzyBrown: I'm pretty sure I could do that.

Remember, he had to field also.

Yeah, most Farkers could field. It's really, really easy to field in baseball.

If Manny could do it...

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 850x536]

...of course Manny could hit like an estrogen fueled motherfarker.


Que?
 
2012-07-23 02:50:29 PM  
He would be a winner on the New New York Mets playing at Madison Cube Garden
 
2012-07-23 03:07:43 PM  

ZMugg: dallylamma: IAmRight: This Looks Fun: SlothB77: i think a person who stood in the batters box 39 times and never swung once could do better than that. they would probably come away with about 10-12 walks.

Although a challenge of this stat is that he very well could have done that because a walk does not count as an at-bat.

If I remember right, he had numbers like this last week and at that point he had eight walks and three runs scored.

degenerate-afro: MugzyBrown: I'm pretty sure I could do that.

Remember, he had to field also.

Yeah, most Farkers could field. It's really, really easy to field in baseball.

If Manny could do it...

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 850x536]

...of course Manny could hit like an estrogen fueled motherfarker.

Que?


Manny Ramirez Hooked on Estrogen; Chooses Performance-Enhancing Drugs over Baseball


Estrogen suppliments can be used to mask PEDs, reportedly.
 
2012-07-23 03:26:24 PM  
FTFA: "Ted Williams always maintained that the hardest thing to do in sports is to hit a baseball. That quote plays well with the crowd who holds up "The Green Fields of the Mind" as great American literature, but it's surely meaningless. Hitting a ball is hard. Memorizing a football playbook is hard. Sticking with the receiver on an out route is hard. Everything in sports is difficult in its own way, and something like hitting a baseball is so divorced from any other skill set as to be an almost irrelevant marker of athletic talent."

I really have to disagree with the author here. Sort of. All elite athletes have a combination of size, speed, quickness, and mental drive that separates them from the rest of humanity. There are few athletes in this era that can be considered elite at there respective sports and that comes after a lifetime of trying to perfect the skills it takes to be the best. There are few skills that are transferable from sport to sport and most of those are the innate ones I already mentioned.

That being said, hitting a baseball is the most difficult thing to do in sports. It is an irrelevant marker of athletic talent, but few humans have the combination of visual acuity, timing, and reflexes to do it consistently.

Here are the factors that make a baseball so difficult to hit. If there is a sport that has more difficult combined criteria for success, let me know and I will gladly consider it.

1. Size of target
2. Size of object you are using to hit target
3. Top speed of target
4. Speed unpredictability of target
5. Movement unpredictability of target
6. Variability of what is considered a strike or a ball
 
2012-07-23 03:26:52 PM  

dallylamma: ZMugg: dallylamma: IAmRight: This Looks Fun: SlothB77: i think a person who stood in the batters box 39 times and never swung once could do better than that. they would probably come away with about 10-12 walks.

Although a challenge of this stat is that he very well could have done that because a walk does not count as an at-bat.

If I remember right, he had numbers like this last week and at that point he had eight walks and three runs scored.

degenerate-afro: MugzyBrown: I'm pretty sure I could do that.

Remember, he had to field also.

Yeah, most Farkers could field. It's really, really easy to field in baseball.

If Manny could do it...

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 850x536]

...of course Manny could hit like an estrogen fueled motherfarker.

Que?

Manny Ramirez Hooked on Estrogen; Chooses Performance-Enhancing Drugs over Baseball


Estrogen suppliments can be used to mask PEDs, reportedly.


a.scpr.org

"I did not know that."

Thanks.
 
2012-07-23 03:48:33 PM  

UncleStumpy: I'm Canadian, so I don't follow the NCAA terribly closely. I had thought if a player turns pro, he loses his amateur status regardless of the sport he was going to playing at the college level


In 1974, the NCAA changed the rules to allow athletes to play in one sport, even if they had previously played professionally in another sport.

The one exception to this is endorsements (see Jeremy Bloom). In Bloom's case, he took endorsements from ski manufacturers in order to finance his Olympic skiing career while also playing football at Colorado. The NCAA ruled this to be a violation (to the derision of most observers) and ruled Bloom permanently ineligible.
 
2012-07-23 03:58:44 PM  
My understanding is that Thompson will continue to play minor league ball next year. The Sox drafted him as a freak athlete who had shown interest in baseball despite not having played in a while (like the Angels did with Jake Locker). The hope, of course, being that if something goes wrong in football, he might jump full time to baseball and become a decent player. For a low max salary of $100k over 4 years, it's basically an extremely cheap gamble that might pay off if he runs into concussion problems or something and focuses on baseball full time.
 
2012-07-23 03:58:45 PM  
Let him bat against the Twin's pitching staff.
He'll be in the bigs in no time.
 
2012-07-23 04:09:04 PM  

rugman11: The one exception to this is endorsements (see Jeremy Bloom). In Bloom's case, he took endorsements from ski manufacturers in order to finance his Olympic skiing career while also playing football at Colorado. The NCAA ruled this to be a violation (to the derision of most observers) and ruled Bloom permanently ineligible.


No, he was allowed to play, he just had to quit skiing. He was a decent returner but nowhere near as good at football as he was at skiing.
 
2012-07-23 04:17:51 PM  

roc6783: hitting a baseball is so divorced from any other skill set


i don't get that. hitting a baseball with a stick is similar to hitting a tennis ball with a racket, a racquetball with a racquet, a golf ball with a golf club, a cricket ball with a cricket bat (terms??), badminton birdie with a badminton racket, striking an opponent in boxing, hitting a hockey puck with a hockey stick, defending a lacrosse ball with a lacrosse stick (terms??). There are differences in each case, but many many similarities. Above all, there is a certain hand-eye coordination similarity in each case.
 
2012-07-23 04:29:38 PM  

SlothB77: i don't get that. hitting a baseball with a stick is similar to hitting a tennis ball with a racket, a racquetball with a racquet, a golf ball with a golf club, a cricket ball with a cricket bat (terms??), badminton birdie with a badminton racket, striking an opponent in boxing, hitting a hockey puck with a hockey stick, defending a lacrosse ball with a lacrosse stick (terms??). There are differences in each case, but many many similarities. Above all, there is a certain hand-eye coordination similarity in each case.


No, he means they're actually divorced. Other skill sets got arrested for domestic abuse and eventually hitting a baseball got a restraining order filed against it. Then they started the paperwork for the divorce. It was sad, they were a cute couple.
 
2012-07-23 04:32:18 PM  

IAmRight: rugman11: The one exception to this is endorsements (see Jeremy Bloom). In Bloom's case, he took endorsements from ski manufacturers in order to finance his Olympic skiing career while also playing football at Colorado. The NCAA ruled this to be a violation (to the derision of most observers) and ruled Bloom permanently ineligible.

No, he was allowed to play, he just had to quit skiing. He was a decent returner but nowhere near as good at football as he was at skiing.


But that's the point. If he had been playing any other sport in which players are paid by a team, he would have been fine. But because he's a skier and his ability to compete was based on his ability to acquire endorsements, the NCAA ruled that he would have to give up the endorsements, which he did, until 2004 when he started accepting endorsements again to try and build toward a run at the 2006 Olympics. At that point, the NCAA ruled him permanently ineligible even though he still had two years of eligibility remaining.
 
2012-07-23 04:36:52 PM  

SlothB77: roc6783: hitting a baseball is so divorced from any other skill set

i don't get that. hitting a baseball with a stick is similar to hitting a tennis ball with a racket, a racquetball with a racquet, a golf ball with a golf club, a cricket ball with a cricket bat (terms??), badminton birdie with a badminton racket, striking an opponent in boxing, hitting a hockey puck with a hockey stick, defending a lacrosse ball with a lacrosse stick (terms??). There are differences in each case, but many many similarities. Above all, there is a certain hand-eye coordination similarity in each case.


1. That was quoted from the article.

2. You cut off the operative part "as to be an almost irrelevant marker of athletic talent."

3. Superior hand-eye coordination is a requirement for many sports (as you listed), but has little to no bearing on or correlation to athleticism. I would not think that elite swimmers or distance runners need superior hand-eye coordination, and some elite hitters in baseball or golfers not been particularly athletic.

4. None of what you listed is harder than hitting a baseball, which was my point.
 
2012-07-23 04:37:12 PM  

rugman11: the NCAA ruled that he would have to give up the endorsements, which he did, until 2004 when he started accepting endorsements again to try and build toward a run at the 2006 Olympics. At that point, the NCAA ruled him permanently ineligible even though he still had two years of eligibility remaining.


Ah, I thought you were just saying they ruled him ineligible, and I was thinking of the first decision where they only ruled he had to quit skiing if he wanted to play. Didn't care enough to follow the rest of the story and find out he left football again for skiing.
 
2012-07-23 04:39:26 PM  

IAmRight: SlothB77: i don't get that. hitting a baseball with a stick is similar to hitting a tennis ball with a racket, a racquetball with a racquet, a golf ball with a golf club, a cricket ball with a cricket bat (terms??), badminton birdie with a badminton racket, striking an opponent in boxing, hitting a hockey puck with a hockey stick, defending a lacrosse ball with a lacrosse stick (terms??). There are differences in each case, but many many similarities. Above all, there is a certain hand-eye coordination similarity in each case.

No, he means they're actually divorced. Other skill sets got arrested for domestic abuse and eventually hitting a baseball got a restraining order filed against it. Then they started the paperwork for the divorce. It was sad, they were a cute couple.


Which is odd because you would have thought that hitting a baseball would be the abuser in that situation, but apparently you can push other skill sets too far.
 
2012-07-23 04:54:27 PM  
37 strikeouts? I guess it felt wrong not to swing...
 
2012-07-23 05:00:56 PM  
I once played in the NABA (National Adult Baseball Assoc) in my mid 20's. The guys ranged from 21 to 55 (in our local league, anyways) and a lot of them were guys who never even made their high school team, let alone a pro team. The highlight of my brief sports life was striking out a guy who played Single A for the Orioles; a Dominican dude who was an amazing fielder and had a great arm (relative to the rest of us).
This is probably why he got cut..someone like me struck him out!
 
2012-07-23 05:16:27 PM  
Just because you can play one sport well at a professional level, it doesn't mean you can play another sport well at a professional level...

2.bp.blogspot.com

/ unless you're Bo Jackson
www.ccsabathia52.com
 
2012-07-23 05:55:36 PM  

IAmRight: Yeah, most Farkers could field. It's really, really easy to field in baseball.


What's amazing is that there are dozens of guys trapped in the minors right now precisely because they can't field. If only they had the amazing coordination of random people from websites, then they could have a major league career!

What's also amazing is that guys like Brendan Ryan, Sean Rodriguez, Franklin Gutierrez, and Jason Bartlett get paid millions of dollars per year even though they're poor hitters. If only managers knew that fielding is "easy"! Then they could just recruit random forum trolls and save tons of money. Those silly Padres, paying Bartlett $15M for 3 years!

You sure know your baseball!
 
2012-07-23 06:18:33 PM  

chimp_ninja: Those silly Padres, paying Bartlett $15M for 3 years!


To be fair, that is pretty silly.
 
2012-07-23 07:12:46 PM  

SwingAwayMarell: 37 strikeouts? I guess it felt wrong not to swing...


In a row?
 
2012-07-23 09:09:27 PM  

Orange Guy: Just because you can play one sport well at a professional level, it doesn't mean you can play another sport well at a professional level...



/ unless you're Bo Jackson


Random thought: how farking awesome could Bo Jackson have been at MMA?

Hooooweeeeee!
 
2012-07-23 11:12:39 PM  

roc6783: If there is a sport that has more difficult combined criteria for success, let me know and I will gladly consider it.


There have been exactly zero professional athletes in other sports who became professional golfers. I think the last to try was John Smoltz

"John Smoltz - Played in the South Georgia Classic golf tournament on the Nationwide Tour and finished last with +15."
 
2012-07-24 01:32:59 AM  

moefuggenbrew: There have been exactly zero professional athletes in other sports who became professional golfers.


That's not true. Sammy Byrd (aka Babe Ruth's Legs) played for the Yankees & Reds for 7 years, then joined the PGA for 4, winning 6 events. He even made the final of the '45 PGA Championship.
 
2012-07-24 09:25:47 AM  
OK, so Shaq didn't pan out for the Red Sox. At least they still have Kendrick Perkins.
 
2012-07-24 01:03:30 PM  
Before last season, ALL the pundits and experts were picking the Red Sox to cruise to the World Series and be dominant, it was being called the greatest team ever. Then the seasons tarted and they sucked. And then they got red hot in the middle of the Summer. Then they got fat on beer and chicken and the clubhouse became toxic. The September collapse was humiliating. They lose Tito and Epstein and pull in Bobby V and they start the season sucksville. This team absolutely blows. The "ace" Beckett and his impressionable protoge Lester are absolutely terrible.

Even with the addition of an extra wild card this year the Red Sox are going to miss the post season again. They just got swept by the Blue Jays at home.

It isn't surprising to me that their minor league affiliates are left with no talent. This team has been mismanaged from top to bottom, and the pitchers don't even want the ball. Beckett earlier in the year missed a start with a bad shoulder, but he went out to play golf that day. Tells you all you need to know.
 
2012-07-24 01:21:16 PM  

nmiguy: Before last season, ALL the pundits and experts were picking the Red Sox to cruise to the World Series and be dominant, it was being called the greatest team ever. Then the seasons tarted and they sucked. And then they got red hot in the middle of the Summer. Then they got fat on beer and chicken and the clubhouse became toxic. The September collapse was humiliating. They lose Tito and Epstein and pull in Bobby V and they start the season sucksville. This team absolutely blows. The "ace" Beckett and his impressionable protoge Lester are absolutely terrible.

Even with the addition of an extra wild card this year the Red Sox are going to miss the post season again. They just got swept by the Blue Jays at home.

It isn't surprising to me that their minor league affiliates are left with no talent. This team has been mismanaged from top to bottom, and the pitchers don't even want the ball. Beckett earlier in the year missed a start with a bad shoulder, but he went out to play golf that day. Tells you all you need to know.


Beckett was held out of his start because if Aaron Cook didn't make the majors by May 1, he could void his contract. It had zero to do with Beckett, his shoulder, of his crappy short game. It was an orginizational move to keep Cook, who came up May 1, started on May 5 instead of Beckett and was sent back down until June.

So it tells me that management knows that they need more than five starting pitchers to get through a season.
 
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