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(Guardian)   The U.S. of A. is ranked number one in the world for civilian gun ownership. Who said we're in decline?   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 189
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vpb [TotalFark]
2012-07-23 01:06:57 PM
It's just our public health policy. Obese people make bigger targets and are statistically more likely to be shot. They have NHS, we have survival of the thinest and fastest.

You say tomato I say, potato.
 
2012-07-23 01:09:13 PM
Listen. Guns. Ok?
 
2012-07-23 01:12:54 PM
% of homicides by firearm
United States - 60
Mexico - 54.9
Canada - 32

Number of homicides by firearm
Mexico - 11,309
United States - 9,146
Canada - 173

Homicides by firearm rate per 100,00 pop
Mexico - 9.97
United States - 2.97
Canada - 0.51

Rank by rate of ownership
United States - 1
Canada - 13
Mexico - 42

Average firearms per 100 people
United States - 88.8
Canada - 30.8
Mexico - 15

Average total of all civilian firearms
United States - 270,000,000
Mexico - 15,500,000
Canada - 9, 950,000
 
2012-07-23 01:13:27 PM
HA! In your FACE, Yemen!
 
2012-07-23 01:20:07 PM
This is why it always cracked me up when people would tell me they were worried about Saddam invading the US.

Well, this and a million other reasons.
 
2012-07-23 01:24:38 PM
We're also number one in incarceration rates.
 
2012-07-23 01:35:01 PM

Vodka Zombie: This is why it always cracked me up when people would tell me they were worried about Saddam invading the US.

Well, this and a million other reasons.


Who in the hell thought that Saddam was going to invade the US? You must hang out with a very select group of people.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-07-23 01:44:09 PM

MeinRS6: Vodka Zombie: This is why it always cracked me up when people would tell me they were worried about Saddam invading the US.

Well, this and a million other reasons.

Who in the hell thought that Saddam was going to invade the US? You must hang out with a very select group of people.


Republicans aren't all that select, although I think their particular delusion was that Saddam ordered 9/11 and was going to conduct some sort of terrorism war against us.
 
2012-07-23 01:44:23 PM

Marcus Aurelius: We're also number one in incarceration rates.


This is more important than the gun ownership ranking. Notice that more guns do not equal less crimes. On the other hand, most of our prisoners are in for non-violent offenses, so more guns have not equaled more crimes.
 
2012-07-23 01:51:20 PM
i wonder what Mexico's numbers would be without the cartels. Those have got to be really throwing off the stats.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-07-23 01:52:52 PM

Nadie_AZ: Marcus Aurelius: We're also number one in incarceration rates.

This is more important than the gun ownership ranking. Notice that more guns do not equal less crimes. On the other hand, most of our prisoners are in for non-violent offenses, so more guns have not equaled more crimes.


That's some prime logic there.
 
2012-07-23 02:05:02 PM

Aarontology: i wonder what Mexico's numbers would be without the cartels. Those have got to be really throwing off the stats.


Yeah. And another thing is, even without the extreme cartel gun violence in the US, the US are only 2000 homicide deaths via gun away from Mexico
 
2012-07-23 02:07:30 PM

ontariolightning: Aarontology: i wonder what Mexico's numbers would be without the cartels. Those have got to be really throwing off the stats.

Yeah. And another thing is, even without the extreme cartel gun violence in the US, the US are only 2000 homicide deaths via gun away from Mexico


Well, we do have gang violence, but I doubt the numbers are close enough to throw things off in the same way.
 
2012-07-23 02:09:37 PM

Nadie_AZ: Marcus Aurelius: We're also number one in incarceration rates.

This is more important than the gun ownership ranking. Notice that more guns do not equal less crimes. On the other hand, most of our prisoners are in for non-violent offenses, so more guns have not equaled more crimes.


People claim we're less safe today, but violent crime peaked in 1991 and all crime in 1994, and we've fallen to roughly 60% of the peak level in violent crime.
 
2012-07-23 02:11:39 PM

ontariolightning: Aarontology: i wonder what Mexico's numbers would be without the cartels. Those have got to be really throwing off the stats.

Yeah. And another thing is, even without the extreme cartel gun violence in the US, the US are only 2000 homicide deaths via gun away from Mexico


We (the US) also have a larger population and far more guns, but if you look at the statistic on per capita gun deaths, Mexico is ahead of the US by an over three to one margin. And we do have a lot of gang violence. We have hundreds of gun homicides in New Orleans every year, but the vast majority are drug/gang-related.
 
2012-07-23 02:11:56 PM

GAT_00: Nadie_AZ: Marcus Aurelius: We're also number one in incarceration rates.

This is more important than the gun ownership ranking. Notice that more guns do not equal less crimes. On the other hand, most of our prisoners are in for non-violent offenses, so more guns have not equaled more crimes.

People claim we're less safe today, but violent crime peaked in 1991 and all crime in 1994, and we've fallen to roughly 60% of the peak level in violent crime.


In this instance, I do blame the speed of information and the need to report news 24/7.
 
2012-07-23 02:16:25 PM

Nadie_AZ: GAT_00: Nadie_AZ: Marcus Aurelius: We're also number one in incarceration rates.

This is more important than the gun ownership ranking. Notice that more guns do not equal less crimes. On the other hand, most of our prisoners are in for non-violent offenses, so more guns have not equaled more crimes.

People claim we're less safe today, but violent crime peaked in 1991 and all crime in 1994, and we've fallen to roughly 60% of the peak level in violent crime.

In this instance, I do blame the speed of information and the need to report news 24/7.


Also, the fall of the USSR. The old bogeyman was dead and they needed a new one.
 
2012-07-23 02:42:15 PM

GAT_00: People claim we're less safe today, but violent crime peaked in 1991 and all crime in 1994, and we've fallen to roughly 60% of the peak level in violent crime.


People don't pay attention to "news" organizations and politicians that tell them things are getting better.

There's no percentage in anti-fear mongering.
 
2012-07-23 02:46:02 PM
% of homicides by firearm

Switzerland 72.2
United States 60
Mexico 54.9
Sweden 33.9
Canada 32
Denmark 31.9
Netherlands 30.7
Germany 26.3
Finland 19.8
New Zealand 13.5
Australia 11.5
Norway 8.1
France 9.6
England & Wales 6.6
Japan 1.8

Number of homicides by firearm

Mexico 11,309
United States 9,146
Canada 173
Germany 158
Switzerland 57
Netherlands 55
England & Wales 41
Sweden 37
France 35
Australia 30
Finland 24
Denmark 15
Japan 11
New Zealand 7
Norway 2


Rank by rate of ownership

United States 1
Switzerland 3
Finland 4
Sweden 10
Norway 11
France 12
Canada 13
Germany 15
New Zealand 22
Mexico 42
Australia 42
Denmark 54
England & Wales 88
Netherlands 112
Japan 164
 
2012-07-23 02:47:42 PM
I think Canada's proximity to the U.S & Mexico makes Canada more prone to gun violence than most other first world countries I listed.
 
2012-07-23 02:51:30 PM

ontariolightning: United States 9,146


Where are you getting that number? Total gun deaths are around 30,000 in the US, with about 17k being suicides. The remaining 13k would be homicides aside from the 100-ish accidental deaths.

Might be based off crime conviction data, I suppose, but I thought I should point out that it's low.
 
2012-07-23 02:56:05 PM
It's why we are so safe.
 
2012-07-23 02:58:07 PM

Nadie_AZ: Marcus Aurelius: We're also number one in incarceration rates.

This is more important than the gun ownership ranking. Notice that more guns do not equal less crimes. On the other hand, most of our prisoners are in for non-violent offenses, so more guns have not equaled more crimes.


The countries that might otherwise beat us for incarceration mostly just execute their felons instead.
 
2012-07-23 03:02:16 PM

ontariolightning: I think Canada's proximity to the U.S & Mexico makes Canada more prone to gun violence than most other first world countries I listed.


Suuuuuure it does. Why, you hear about American gangs constantly going up into Canada and killing people with their "assault weapons".

God forbid we put the blame where it belongs... lacking mental health infrastructure. Let's blame it on some inanimate pieces of steel, aluminum, and plastic. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Listen, guns are here to stay in the US. There are more of them than there are people allowed to own them, and the ones who own them legally aren't too keen on the idea of losing them. Pandora's box is now officially opened and has been for over two centuries. Criminals don't follow laws. Let's try to reduce the number of crazy people and criminals, and if that doesn't work, then we can look at gun control.
 
2012-07-23 03:02:47 PM
NEWS FLASH: Gun ownership is higher in countries where guns are legal and citizens have the means to afford them. Film at 11.

And now for a special report: A statistically signifcant number of people who do have guns will have a higher rate of crime involving guns than a similarly-sized group of people who cannot conveniently get guns.
 
2012-07-23 03:03:23 PM

jbuist: ontariolightning: United States 9,146

Where are you getting that number? Total gun deaths are around 30,000 in the US, with about 17k being suicides. The remaining 13k would be homicides aside from the 100-ish accidental deaths.

Might be based off crime conviction data, I suppose, but I thought I should point out that it's low.


the article

Link
 
2012-07-23 03:03:36 PM
Since more guns = more safety, no wonder we don't hear about mass murders by firearm on a regular basis.
 
2012-07-23 03:04:03 PM
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2012-07-23 03:04:44 PM
I just took a Texas Concealed Handgun License class, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies...

Also: If you look at the world murder statistics (not just gun statistics) we're far from the worst:

www.hawaii.edu
 
2012-07-23 03:04:48 PM

Marine1: ontariolightning: I think Canada's proximity to the U.S & Mexico makes Canada more prone to gun violence than most other first world countries I listed.

Suuuuuure it does. Why, you hear about American gangs constantly going up into Canada and killing people with their "assault weapons".

God forbid we put the blame where it belongs... lacking mental health infrastructure. Let's blame it on some inanimate pieces of steel, aluminum, and plastic. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Listen, guns are here to stay in the US. There are more of them than there are people allowed to own them, and the ones who own them legally aren't too keen on the idea of losing them. Pandora's box is now officially opened and has been for over two centuries. Criminals don't follow laws. Let's try to reduce the number of crazy people and criminals, and if that doesn't work, then we can look at gun control.


A good number of illegal guns in Canada are smuggled in from the U,S
 
2012-07-23 03:05:09 PM
It's the greatest Marketing Strategy ever.

1/3 of Americans, roughly, are morons. When gun sales get low, just say that Obama's gonna take our guns soon (TM), and then they pick back up again!
 
2012-07-23 03:05:20 PM
Good.
 
2012-07-23 03:06:20 PM

ontariolightning: Marine1: ontariolightning: I think Canada's proximity to the U.S & Mexico makes Canada more prone to gun violence than most other first world countries I listed.

Suuuuuure it does. Why, you hear about American gangs constantly going up into Canada and killing people with their "assault weapons".

God forbid we put the blame where it belongs... lacking mental health infrastructure. Let's blame it on some inanimate pieces of steel, aluminum, and plastic. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Listen, guns are here to stay in the US. There are more of them than there are people allowed to own them, and the ones who own them legally aren't too keen on the idea of losing them. Pandora's box is now officially opened and has been for over two centuries. Criminals don't follow laws. Let's try to reduce the number of crazy people and criminals, and if that doesn't work, then we can look at gun control.

A good number of illegal guns in Canada are smuggled in from the U.S


Then tighten up border enforcement if it's that big of a deal to your country.
 
2012-07-23 03:06:29 PM

LawrencePerson: I just took a Texas Concealed Handgun License class, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies...

Also: If you look at the world murder statistics (not just gun statistics) we're far from the worst:

[www.hawaii.edu image 612x742]


Nationmaster statistics can't really be trusted but I can see how those countries have more murders.
But congratulations on being the most violent industrialized country in the world.
 
2012-07-23 03:06:34 PM

Marine1:
Suuuuuure it does. Why, you hear about American gangs constantly going up into Canada and killing people with their "assault weapons".

God forbid we put the blame where it belongs... lacking mental health infrastructure. Let's blame it on some inanimate pieces of steel, aluminum, and plastic. Yeah, that's the ticket.


Including the institution you just escaped from, apparently. We have more handgun crime here because we have more handguns here, and a great many of those weapons are smuggled in from the US. Most of our gun violence is from deliberate attempts to kill specific people (i.e., not including the two Quebec school shootings but including murder victims like Jane Creba); nobody said anything about psychos coming uncorked in a Canadian movie theatre.
 
2012-07-23 03:08:23 PM
How can the same people who want less carbon dioxide in the atmosphere also want gun control?

Disarm the debt slaves! Makes 'em more compliant.
 
2012-07-23 03:08:36 PM
The United States of America is # 1................in gun ownership, number of incarcerated adults, number of adults who believe in angels, and defense spending. WHOO America.
 
2012-07-23 03:09:05 PM

Marine1: Then tighten up border enforcement if it's that big of a deal to your country.


Because that works so well against other types of contraband, like drugs. Smuggling is a thing and it's here to stay. It's not your fault or our fault, it simply is.

Also "tightening up border enforcement" only works if everyone uses a border crossing to enter the country.
 
2012-07-23 03:10:20 PM

LawrencePerson: I just took a Texas Concealed Handgun License class, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies...

Also: If you look at the world murder statistics (not just gun statistics) we're far from the worst:

[www.hawaii.edu image 612x742]


Yes, because things could be worst we should not try to be better.
 
2012-07-23 03:10:41 PM

Flakeloaf: Marine1:
Suuuuuure it does. Why, you hear about American gangs constantly going up into Canada and killing people with their "assault weapons".

God forbid we put the blame where it belongs... lacking mental health infrastructure. Let's blame it on some inanimate pieces of steel, aluminum, and plastic. Yeah, that's the ticket.


Including the institution you just escaped from, apparently. We have more handgun crime here because we have more handguns here, and a great many of those weapons are smuggled in from the US. Most of our gun violence is from deliberate attempts to kill specific people (i.e., not including the two Quebec school shootings but including murder victims like Jane Creba); nobody said anything about psychos coming uncorked in a Canadian movie theatre.


You guys have more handgun violence because people want to kill others.

You can eliminate some tools of violence, and people will go to other tools.

Or you could eliminate the violence. Your choice.

/and the institution comment is juvenile. Find something new.
 
2012-07-23 03:10:57 PM

ontariolightning: Marine1: ontariolightning: I think Canada's proximity to the U.S & Mexico makes Canada more prone to gun violence than most other first world countries I listed.

Suuuuuure it does. Why, you hear about American gangs constantly going up into Canada and killing people with their "assault weapons".

God forbid we put the blame where it belongs... lacking mental health infrastructure. Let's blame it on some inanimate pieces of steel, aluminum, and plastic. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Listen, guns are here to stay in the US. There are more of them than there are people allowed to own them, and the ones who own them legally aren't too keen on the idea of losing them. Pandora's box is now officially opened and has been for over two centuries. Criminals don't follow laws. Let's try to reduce the number of crazy people and criminals, and if that doesn't work, then we can look at gun control.

A good number of illegal guns in Canada are smuggled in from the U,S


ontariolightning: your southern border ain't that big.


ontariolightning: So, have your troops guard the border...

 
2012-07-23 03:11:57 PM
The best thing to do would be to close the barn doors now...
 
2012-07-23 03:11:59 PM

Marine1: Then tighten up border enforcement if it's that big of a deal to your country.


That quote works just as well for illegal immigrants and drugs coming into the US, by the way.
 
2012-07-23 03:12:19 PM
And if FartBongo wasn't takin' away all our guns, we could be even MORE 1st!
 
2012-07-23 03:12:23 PM
Take African Americans out of the stats and we'd be among the most peaceful nations on earth.
I'm not blaming African Americans here, I'm saying it is our years of racism that created that monster.
 
2012-07-23 03:12:28 PM
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2012-07-23 03:12:48 PM

LawrencePerson: I just took a Texas Concealed Handgun License class, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies...

Also: If you look at the world murder statistics (not just gun statistics) we're far from the worst:


A look at the list and the names of the countries above and below should elicit the "we should be better" reaction from anyone though. Right?
 
2012-07-23 03:13:14 PM

R.A.Danny: Take African Americans out of the stats and we'd be among the most peaceful nations on earth.
I'm not blaming African Americans here, I'm saying it is our years of racism that created that monster.


*backs slowly out of thread*
 
2012-07-23 03:13:17 PM

BikerRay: Marine1: Then tighten up border enforcement if it's that big of a deal to your country.

That quote works just as well for illegal immigrants and drugs coming into the US, by the way.


Exactly. How's it supposed to be any easier for us to keep the stuff from getting over the border?
 
2012-07-23 03:13:25 PM

ontariolightning: the article

Link


Thanks. Still not sure where the number comes from though. They've only got 66% of the homicides that you'll find the CDC reporting. Not sure how accurate the rest is but I wouldn't trust it much.
 
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