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(The Blaze)   When ABC hears the name of the Aurora shooter, they do what all good investigative journalists do: Immediately check the Tea Party website to see if he's a member. Surprisingly, he is. Sort of   (theblaze.com) divider line 141
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2012-07-23 10:05:29 AM  
Oh, for Pete's sake. I hold no love whatsoever for the tea party, but this is just borderline making shiat up.

If you don't know anything about a topic, don't say it anyway.
 
2012-07-23 10:10:21 AM  
Media who cried wolf
 
2012-07-23 10:13:52 AM  
How about we stop giving this asshole the attention he wants?
 
2012-07-23 10:15:22 AM  
Didn't the Tea Party rumor originate on the web? ABC didn't "immediately check the Tea Party website" but stupidly reported an unsubstantiated internet rumor.
 
2012-07-23 10:19:49 AM  

Lumpmoose: Didn't the Tea Party rumor originate on the web? ABC didn't "immediately check the Tea Party website" but stupidly reported an unsubstantiated internet rumor.


And then retracted it.
 
2012-07-23 10:22:20 AM  
People just can't wait to politicize shiat for their own agenda. This, the story about the video games he played, the gun grabbers/gun nuts are starting to come out, etc.
 
2012-07-23 10:24:20 AM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: How about we stop giving this asshole the attention he wants?


Does he have access to Fark in jail?

I don't know what goes on in the head of people like Holmes, but I kind of doubt he just wanted some attention, particularly this kind of attention.

Where do you think it should be cut off? Should the news report the shootings at all? Should we pretend it didn't happen? Should it just say some "unknown assailant who is now in custody" did all this?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-07-23 10:24:42 AM  
It was stupid that they were so eager to scoop everyone that they didn't confirm that it was the same guy.

On the other hand, if a crime is committed, and people have been threatening to commit that sort of crime, that that is the obvious first place to look.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-07-23 10:26:11 AM  

Mugato: People just can't wait to politicize shiat for their own agenda. This, the story about the video games he played, the gun grabbers/gun nuts are starting to come out, etc.


Especially those people who don't like violent crime. How dare they use this to push their agenda.
 
2012-07-23 10:29:28 AM  
Unfortunately the internet "media" has basically dragged the traditional "mainstream" media down to their level over the past few years, to the point where getting information out "now" is better.

The motto of the news now seems to be kind of a version of the saying "It's easier to ask forgiveness than it is to get permission".... permission in the journalists case being taking time to gather the facts.
 
2012-07-23 10:41:23 AM  

Happy Hours: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: How about we stop giving this asshole the attention he wants?

Does he have access to Fark in jail?


I didn't mean Fark, just in general.


I don't know what goes on in the head of people like Holmes, but I kind of doubt he just wanted some attention, particularly this kind of attention.

Where do you think it should be cut off? Should the news report the shootings at all? Should we pretend it didn't happen? Should it just say some "unknown assailant who is now in custody" did all this?


No, that would be ridiculous, but maybe--just maybe--we don't need to pore over every detail of his life. Even if he doesn't want attention; giving him it won't fix what happened, it won't stop someone else from doing the same thing.
 
2012-07-23 10:53:22 AM  

dletter: Unfortunately the internet "media" has basically dragged the traditional "mainstream" media down to their level over the past few years, to the point where getting information out "now" is better.

The motto of the news now seems to be kind of a version of the saying "It's easier to ask forgiveness than it is to get permission".... permission in the journalists case being taking time to gather the facts.


It would be nice to have the new maxim be: "We may not be the first, but we're going to get it right."
 
2012-07-23 11:02:27 AM  
Oh Boo Hoo we're fringe lunatics until we're not.

www.memphisflyer.com

All they have is tears and derp, sweet sweet derp.
 
2012-07-23 11:23:21 AM  

dletter: Unfortunately the internet "media" has basically dragged the traditional "mainstream" media down to their level over the past few years, to the point where getting information out "now" is better.

The motto of the news now seems to be kind of a version of the saying "It's easier to ask forgiveness than it is to get permission".... permission in the journalists case being taking time to gather the facts.


Howard Stern fans have been pranking the media with phony scoops long before the internet was popular, just to point how shiatty the media's research is.

Remember the "EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW!" with O.J. Simpson's neighbor?

"I seen O.J., he be lookin' real scared!"
 
2012-07-23 11:32:40 AM  
Oh god damnit. Why did you people give the tea party MORE ammo to play the poor persecuted little baby card?
 
2012-07-23 11:33:34 AM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: No, that would be ridiculous, but maybe--just maybe--we don't need to pore over every detail of his life. Even if he doesn't want attention; giving him it won't fix what happened, it won't stop someone else from doing the same thing.


Like it or not, it's what people seem to want. My biggest question in all of this is "why?". Sure, it won't prevent future incidents and it doesn't solve anything but it might give some insight.

I thought the memorial last night was kind of creepy. They recited the names of all the victims who died and the audience responded with "we will never forget" after each name. Really? They'll never forget those people? They'll probably never forget that 12 people died and maybe not forget that a few died shielding their girlfriends, but all 12 of them? I wonder how many of those people could repeat all 12 names today let alone next month or next year and yet they mechanically repeated "We will never forget" after each name was said.

That won't fix what happened either nor will it prevent anything like that from ever happening again in the future yet apparently some people felt it was very important.

They were mostly just ordinary people who got caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. It happens all the time. It's just rare that it happens to so many people at once. What about all the other people who got killed just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Well, we never even heard their names.

What about John Wilkes Booth? Lee Harvey Oswald? Mark David Chapman? John Hinkley? Did having their names in the press spur others to copy them? Were they glorified in any way?

I don't think we should simplify history and just say some crazy guy killed someone or some people.
 
2012-07-23 11:36:09 AM  
It's not fark. It's Arizonashooter.com
 
2012-07-23 11:36:19 AM  
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7227905/78236847#c78236847" target="_blank">Angry Drunk Bureaucrat</a>:</b> <i>And then retracted it.</i>

As if that vindicates them. Any ethical news organization worth its salt would have bothered to do some research in the first place. Instead, ABC used this tragedy as a chance to smear the Tea Party without any verification.

"Oops, our bad" after the damage is already done doesn't provide a whole lot of credibility when the mistake is a result of disregarding their own journalistic standards.
 
2012-07-23 11:36:35 AM  
Is "The Blaze" a gay site?
 
2012-07-23 11:37:26 AM  
Newsflash: There were Farkers doing this also..
 
2012-07-23 11:39:15 AM  
Can we at least use this to get techno music banned??
/silver lining
 
2012-07-23 11:39:52 AM  
Glenn Beck really needs to have a talk with Breitbart's corpse...

Link

James Holmes, the suspect arrested in connection with the mass shootings at a screening of the new Batman movie early this morning in Aurora, CO, could be a registered Democrat, according to documents obtained by Breitbart News. Earlier, ABC News' Brian Ross and George Stephanopoulos speculated on Good Morning America that Holmes was a Tea Party member, based solely on a name appearing on a Tea Party website.

The James Holmes for whom Breitbart News has obtained documentation is 25 years old (the suspect has been reported as 24 years old). He has links to addresses in both Colorado and San Diego, where his mother has been reported to be from, according to news reports. He was issued a traffic citation in 2011--his sole run-in with the law. The same is true for the suspect arrested in connection with the shootings, according to reports. Update: Fox News reports that the suspect has a California-issued social security number, as does the man in the documents obtained by Breitbart News--a significant correlation, assuming the sources are independent.

Furthermore, the James Holmes for whom records were obtained by Breitbart News registered as a Democrat on June 14, 2011. He registered from an address in La Plata County, Colorado, and his status is listed as "inactive."

Breitbart News has not confirmed that this James Holmes is in fact the suspect, but the details above appear to match closely. There are certainly more facts in our documents than in ABC News' irresponsible speculations.

Update (12:21 EDT): I remind readers that we have not, as of yet, confirmed that this James Holmes is in fact the suspect. Attempts to reach this James Holmes by telephone have not been successful. In addition, it appears there are several individuals using the same social security number listed to the James Holmes in our documents. We have also obtained documentation for a James Holmes in Aurora, CO whose address may match that of the suspect but whose date of birth and voter registration cannot currently be obtained.

Update (12:49 EDT): Newly-released information on the suspect's birthdate (which, as indicated in our initial report, was a slight mismatch), combined with new details Breitbart News has obtained about the suspect's likely addresses, together suggest that the suspect may, in fact, not have been registered to vote.


"Hey, you guys want to be reckless and report something that may not be true? TWO CAN PLAY THAT GAME."
 
2012-07-23 11:40:09 AM  

Happy Hours: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: No, that would be ridiculous, but maybe--just maybe--we don't need to pore over every detail of his life. Even if he doesn't want attention; giving him it won't fix what happened, it won't stop someone else from doing the same thing.

Like it or not, it's what people seem to want. My biggest question in all of this is "why?". Sure, it won't prevent future incidents and it doesn't solve anything but it might give some insight.

[...]

I don't think we should simplify history and just say some crazy guy killed someone or some people.


You say it sarcastically, and yet, this is the only answer to "Why?" you will ever get. There is nothing preventable and almost nothing predictable about mental illness, not until we can reprogram the brain.
 
2012-07-23 11:40:21 AM  
I wish they'd stop covering this asshole.
 
2012-07-23 11:40:31 AM  
Richard Jewell sympathizes.

/Or would, if he were alive.
 
2012-07-23 11:40:38 AM  

Sgt Otter: Remember the "EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW!" with O.J. Simpson's neighbor?

"I seen O.J., he be lookin' real scared!"


He was *slouchin'*!
 
2012-07-23 11:41:12 AM  
Slightly off topic, and I'm sure it's been discussed already, but was/is he really calling himself the Joker? Or is that just an assumption the media is making because of the red hair? Because I can't think of a single incarnation of the joker that had red hair, it's always green-ish
 
2012-07-23 11:41:20 AM  

Happy Hours: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: No, that would be ridiculous, but maybe--just maybe--we don't need to pore over every detail of his life. Even if he doesn't want attention; giving him it won't fix what happened, it won't stop someone else from doing the same thing.

Like it or not, it's what people seem to want. My biggest question in all of this is "why?". Sure, it won't prevent future incidents and it doesn't solve anything but it might give some insight.


Maybe if access to mental health care was as easy as buying a gun...
 
2012-07-23 11:41:49 AM  

Happy Hours: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: No, that would be ridiculous, but maybe--just maybe--we don't need to pore over every detail of his life. Even if he doesn't want attention; giving him it won't fix what happened, it won't stop someone else from doing the same thing.

Like it or not, it's what people seem to want. My biggest question in all of this is "why?". Sure, it won't prevent future incidents and it doesn't solve anything but it might give some insight.

I thought the memorial last night was kind of creepy. They recited the names of all the victims who died and the audience responded with "we will never forget" after each name. Really? They'll never forget those people? They'll probably never forget that 12 people died and maybe not forget that a few died shielding their girlfriends, but all 12 of them? I wonder how many of those people could repeat all 12 names today let alone next month or next year and yet they mechanically repeated "We will never forget" after each name was said.

That won't fix what happened either nor will it prevent anything like that from ever happening again in the future yet apparently some people felt it was very important.

They were mostly just ordinary people who got caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. It happens all the time. It's just rare that it happens to so many people at once. What about all the other people who got killed just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Well, we never even heard their names.

What about John Wilkes Booth? Lee Harvey Oswald? Mark David Chapman? John Hinkley? Did having their names in the press spur others to copy them? Were they glorified in any way?

I don't think we should simplify history and just say some crazy guy killed someone or some people.


I'm not suggesting we simplify history, but this isn't about history, it's rubbernecking.
 
2012-07-23 11:41:52 AM  
That the reporter went public with this "fact"was because it fit his agenda. He never stopped to consider that James Holmes is a very common name and that the demographic of the Tea Party tends to be middle aged when the shooter was already at that point known to be a young adult or teenager. Further the reporter had no idea that the James Holmes of the Tea Party website was even a real person. How many fake alts are floating around on the web right now?

The reporter should be fired for not asking questions a high school journalist should have.

This was definitely a case of media bias and nothing else.
 
2012-07-23 11:41:52 AM  

Lumpmoose: Didn't the Tea Party rumor originate on the web? ABC didn't "immediately check the Tea Party website" but stupidly reported an unsubstantiated internet rumor.


Either way, you really should vet stuff like that if you're a major news agency, or you might end up looking like an unprofessional jackass at best or a partisan hack at worst. Network news is held to a higher standard than a blogger.
 
2012-07-23 11:43:56 AM  

katerbug72: I wish they'd stop covering this asshole.


I wish to hell they'd stop blasting his name and his picture all over the place. This piece of crap wanted his 15 minutes of fame, and was willing to kill a bunch of people to get it.

STOP GIVING HIM WHAT HE WANTS.
 
2012-07-23 11:43:58 AM  
And a great sigh was heard amongst the throngs of pseudo-journalist bloggers and tweeters. Vindication never tasted so good...
 
2012-07-23 11:45:06 AM  

TDWCom29: Slightly off topic, and I'm sure it's been discussed already, but was/is he really calling himself the Joker? Or is that just an assumption the media is making because of the red hair? Because I can't think of a single incarnation of the joker that had red hair, it's always green-ish


That's what the cops are saying...

The man in custody for allegedly killing 12 people at the screening of the latest Batman movie in Aurora, Colorado told authorities after the shooting that he "was The Joker," NYPD police commissioner Ray Kelly said today.

And based on a quick Googling, Cesar Romero's Joker didn't always have green hair.
 
2012-07-23 11:46:50 AM  

fireclown: Network news is held to a higher standard than a blogger.


Why, I have no idea.
 
2012-07-23 11:47:42 AM  

xant: Happy Hours: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: No, that would be ridiculous, but maybe--just maybe--we don't need to pore over every detail of his life. Even if he doesn't want attention; giving him it won't fix what happened, it won't stop someone else from doing the same thing.

Like it or not, it's what people seem to want. My biggest question in all of this is "why?". Sure, it won't prevent future incidents and it doesn't solve anything but it might give some insight.

[...]

I don't think we should simplify history and just say some crazy guy killed someone or some people.

You say it sarcastically, and yet, this is the only answer to "Why?" you will ever get. There is nothing preventable and almost nothing predictable about mental illness, not until we can reprogram the brain.


There was no sarcasm intended. I'm not saying this incident could have been prevented or predicted. There are lots of different kinds of crazy. The news (as well as history) should inform people and if possible explain the motivations.

In centuries past this guy might have been explained as being possessed by the devil. That's really not all that different from saying he was simply "crazy". Not all "crazy" people decide to kill a bunch of other people they don't even know. Not all crazy people are homicidal or suicidal. Some of them enjoy their insanity. Others suffer through it.

But whatever - just believe they're all just crazy if that's what you want.
 
2012-07-23 11:47:59 AM  
Let's see, how many crazy nut jobs will the media attribute to the Tea Party?

1. Colorado Shooting
2. Arizona Shooting of Gabby Gifford
3. Times Square Bombing
4. Guy Flying his plane into an IRS office
5. Census Working hanging himseld

With all the accusations against the tea party, can any one show me even one case where members of Tea Party actually engaged in violence? I know the media has a vested interest in promoting the narrative that they tea party is a bunch of violent extremists, but it is getting ridiculous.
 
2012-07-23 11:48:09 AM  
Would the people who are complaining that the "liberal" media is trying to paint the killer as a Teabagger be complaining if Fox News was trying to paint him as an Occupier instead?

/and as ZZ9 said, we should not give this sh*tstain on society's underwear any attention
//I'll start by NOT referring to him by his name
 
2012-07-23 11:48:43 AM  
What about the other twenty odd men with the same name as the mass murderer? Don't they deserve fifteen minutes of fame for having the same name as a notorious killer?

I looked at a website that showed the names, ages, and homes (photos!) of all the James Holmes in Aurora. There were, IIRC, about 24 of them. Most of them were 60-year-olds, with some younger or older. Aurora must be a wild party town when most of the people with a randomly selected name are sixty or older. Typical suburban bedroom community--stable population that settled there about twenty to thirty years ago.

But don't these middle-aged white guys deserve some excitement in their lives, too? Why should some random guy get all the attention? Why should some other random guy get all the attention that is left over?

James Holmeses should form a No James Homiesy Club, to exclude every Jame Holmes who is either James Holmes the killer, or James Holmes, the Tea Bagger.

Did you get that?
 
2012-07-23 11:48:58 AM  
Just saw him on TV.... he looks like he knows he toast.
 
2012-07-23 11:49:30 AM  
so anyways
 
2012-07-23 11:51:18 AM  
I have to admit I bit pretty hard on that ABC story when it first came out...
 
2012-07-23 11:51:32 AM  

jdmac: Let's see, how many crazy nut jobs will the media attribute to the Tea Party?

1. Colorado Shooting
2. Arizona Shooting of Gabby Gifford
3. Times Square Bombing
4. Guy Flying his plane into an IRS office
5. Census Working hanging himseld

With all the accusations against the tea party, can any one show me even one case where members of Tea Party actually engaged in violence? I know the media has a vested interest in promoting the narrative that they tea party is a bunch of violent extremists, but it is getting ridiculous.


Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that they scream about "Second Amendment solutions" and carry signs reading "We came unarmed - this time."

If your neighbors constantly hear you screaming threats of violence, then at some point there's a shooting in your neighborhood, then the cops might want to question you.
 
2012-07-23 11:51:36 AM  
Sorry about the rotten proof-reading. Has Fark.com hired that proof-reader yet? It could be a really big thing. We could submit our illiterate rants to a proof-reader instead of mods and complain about him or her being a grammar and spelling Nazi who ruins our posts and slows down green-lighting.

A proof-reader, like a fact-checker, is one of those Old Media ideas that I believe is ripe for a come-back in the post-modern age.
 
2012-07-23 11:51:42 AM  
Man, I'd hate what they'd say about the guy if he wasn't for gay marriage. He would probably get three death sentences all carried out consecutively of course.
 
2012-07-23 11:51:43 AM  
I can't understand why the crazy people that brandish guns and call for the violent deaths of their countrymen always get blamed for these things.
 
2012-07-23 11:53:02 AM  
Yeah, at his court appearance just now he looked remorseful, sleepy, in withdrawl of some serious meds, or currently on some serious meds. Perhaps it was nothing more than disinterest as well. Hard to say, but he sure didn't look smug and amped up for his exposure.
 
2012-07-23 11:53:15 AM  
Because the Tea Party doesn't make shiat up, right?
 
2012-07-23 11:53:41 AM  
So ABC is sinking to FoxNews level of journalism.
 
2012-07-23 11:54:10 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Lumpmoose: Didn't the Tea Party rumor originate on the web? ABC didn't "immediately check the Tea Party website" but stupidly reported an unsubstantiated internet rumor.

And then retracted it.


The retraction conflicts with The Narrative. Ergo, it never happened.
 
2012-07-23 11:55:01 AM  
blogs.villagevoice.com
R.I.P.
 
2012-07-23 11:55:17 AM  
"There's a Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colorado, page on the Colorado Tea party site as well, talking about him joining the Tea Party last year," Ross said. "Now, we don't know if this is the same Jim Holmes. But it's Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colorado," Brian Ross told George Stephanopoulos on "Good Morning America."

Not really the same thing as saying the suspect was a tea party member, now is it? Poor reporting, but BFD.
 
2012-07-23 11:55:28 AM  
hey It might have been a shot in the Dark (knight).

This guy might not be the joker but he is a Riddle(r) wrapped and e Nigma.

-----
 
2012-07-23 11:55:45 AM  
Why shouldn't the media investigate possible links a mass shooter might have to domestic terror organizations who have repeatedly called for violence?

Seems like due diligence to me.
 
2012-07-23 11:55:50 AM  
Maybe we shouldn't automatically look at the teabaggers - Glenn Beck's fans, however...

"I would have never started watching Fox News if it wasn't for the fact that Beck was on there. And it was the things that he did, it was the things he exposed that blew my mind." - Byron Williams

Byron Williams, a 45-year-old ex-felon, exploded onto the national stage in the early morning hours of July 18.

According to a police investigation, Williams opened fire on California Highway Patrol officers who had stopped him on an Oakland freeway for driving erratically. For 12 frantic minutes, Williams traded shots with the police, employing three firearms and a small arsenal of ammunition, including armor-piercing rounds fired from a .308-caliber rifle.

When the smoke cleared, Williams surrendered; the ballistic body armor he was wearing had saved his life. Miraculously, only two of the 10 CHP officers involved in the shootout were injured.

In an affidavit, an Oakland police investigator reported that during an interview at the hospital, Williams "stated that his intention was to start a revolution by traveling to San Francisco and killing people of importance at the Tides Foundation and the ACLU."
...
talk with Janice about how Byron told police he was heading to San Francisco to "start a revolution" and ask her why she thinks Byron would have targeted Tides.

"I had never heard of the Tides Foundation before all of this," Janice says. "But he researched it and realized it was a money laundering scheme for the radical left that didn't want their names attributed to what they were doing."

I ask Janice if Byron was a fan of Glenn Beck.

"Yes, he liked Glenn Beck, but he didn't feel he went far enough," she says. "He'd take it only so far, but stopped short."

Again, Janice bristles at this line of questioning.

"I had only one hate call out of all the thousands of people who heard about this case," she says. "Most people have expressed support -- not for the act, but for the frustration behind it."


http://mediamatters.org/research/2010/10/11/progressive-hunter/171471
 
2012-07-23 11:56:01 AM  

rufus-t-firefly: Happy Hours: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: No, that would be ridiculous, but maybe--just maybe--we don't need to pore over every detail of his life. Even if he doesn't want attention; giving him it won't fix what happened, it won't stop someone else from doing the same thing.

Like it or not, it's what people seem to want. My biggest question in all of this is "why?". Sure, it won't prevent future incidents and it doesn't solve anything but it might give some insight.

Maybe if access to mental health care was as easy as buying a gun...


I bet the thought process of the shooter went something like this....

Maybe I should go and shoot up a movie theater, that sounds like fun.

Did you think it went something like this......

Maybe I should go and shoot up a movie theater, that sounds like fun. Woah WTF self...that is totlally the wrong thoing to do. We should go check ourselves into a mental health facility. Oh come on man, those things are expensive and I don;t have health care coverage.


How do you make someone check themselves in when they have a problem.....
 
2012-07-23 11:56:18 AM  

jdmac: With all the accusations against the tea party, can any one show me even one case where members of Tea Party actually engaged in violence? I know the media has a vested interest in promoting the narrative that they tea party is a bunch of violent extremists, but it is getting ridiculous.


Let me know when they start denouncing the people who wave around guns at political rallies. Funny how similar that looks to political demonstrations in the Middle East by people they despise so much since they don't call God the right name.
 
2012-07-23 11:58:12 AM  

dennysgod: So ABC is sinking to FoxNews level of journalism.


Not quite, they actually redacted their mistake.
 
2012-07-23 11:58:51 AM  

rufus-t-firefly: If your neighbors constantly hear you screaming threats of violence, then at some point there's a shooting in your neighborhood, then the cops might want to question you.


Good point. The Gadsen Flag Flyer on my street is a paranoid skinhead that has been talked to by the police for screaming at people walking by and writing screeds in sidewalk chalk (seriously) about all of "us" being traitors. And if he doesn't beat his wife then I don't know what's got her so spooked.

That sort of crap sticks in your head. The sane folks that practice a civilized version of complaining about taxes and deficits and OMG SOSHULISM don't.
 
2012-07-23 12:02:12 PM  

Giltric: rufus-t-firefly: Happy Hours: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: No, that would be ridiculous, but maybe--just maybe--we don't need to pore over every detail of his life. Even if he doesn't want attention; giving him it won't fix what happened, it won't stop someone else from doing the same thing.

Like it or not, it's what people seem to want. My biggest question in all of this is "why?". Sure, it won't prevent future incidents and it doesn't solve anything but it might give some insight.

Maybe if access to mental health care was as easy as buying a gun...

I bet the thought process of the shooter went something like this....

Maybe I should go and shoot up a movie theater, that sounds like fun.

Did you think it went something like this......

Maybe I should go and shoot up a movie theater, that sounds like fun. Woah WTF self...that is totlally the wrong thoing to do. We should go check ourselves into a mental health facility. Oh come on man, those things are expensive and I don;t have health care coverage.


It might not have helped in this situation, so why try at all? People like you need mental health help. If he had easier access to health care he might have sought counseling earlier before it came to this.

How do you make someone check themselves in when they have a problem.....

If there is a suspicion that they are a danger to themselves or others they can be committed.
 
2012-07-23 12:04:39 PM  

henryhill: Poor reporting, but BFD.


I disagree; this was reporting nonsense and the type of sh*t that gets people to take out vigilante measures against completely unrelated people. Remember that happened in the Trayvon Martin case... Spike Lee tweets out the "identity" and phone number of Zimmerman? Oh, wait it was a totally different person that was forced to go into hiding, move, and basically have their life uprooted.

It is really irresponsible journalism, as it is at best grasping at straws for what is really a non-story to begin with.
 
2012-07-23 12:07:17 PM  
Nice to see some of the people who biatched that we shouldn't point at Muslim/Terrorists/ Minorities have no problem when they falsely finger point to the Tea Party.

hypocrites
 
2012-07-23 12:08:40 PM  
Maybe we need a regulation to prevent news agencies from doing this kind of thing. We could name it the Holmes Bill.

We'd have to be careful not to infringe on good god-fearing reporters though; maybe for those reporters or networks that demonstrate that they're balanced in their reporting we can have an exemption?
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2012-07-23 12:09:20 PM  
ABC retracted it the same day, yet the biggest butthurt is coming from Teatards who more than three years later still haven't retracted their demonstrably false claims that the president was born in Kenya. It's extremely difficult to feel sorry for these douchebags.
 
2012-07-23 12:09:24 PM  
The mainstream media are the enemy

Period.
 
2012-07-23 12:12:26 PM  

Giltric: rufus-t-firefly: Happy Hours: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: No, that would be ridiculous, but maybe--just maybe--we don't need to pore over every detail of his life. Even if he doesn't want attention; giving him it won't fix what happened, it won't stop someone else from doing the same thing.

Like it or not, it's what people seem to want. My biggest question in all of this is "why?". Sure, it won't prevent future incidents and it doesn't solve anything but it might give some insight.

Maybe if access to mental health care was as easy as buying a gun...

I bet the thought process of the shooter went something like this....

Maybe I should go and shoot up a movie theater, that sounds like fun.

Did you think it went something like this......

Maybe I should go and shoot up a movie theater, that sounds like fun. Woah WTF self...that is totlally the wrong thoing to do. We should go check ourselves into a mental health facility. Oh come on man, those things are expensive and I don;t have health care coverage.


How do you make someone check themselves in when they have a problem.....


I'm just going to leave this here:

static.infowars.com
 
2012-07-23 12:16:03 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: Happy Hours: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: No, that would be ridiculous, but maybe--just maybe--we don't need to pore over every detail of his life. Even if he doesn't want attention; giving him it won't fix what happened, it won't stop someone else from doing the same thing.

Like it or not, it's what people seem to want. My biggest question in all of this is "why?". Sure, it won't prevent future incidents and it doesn't solve anything but it might give some insight.

Maybe if access to mental health care was as easy as buying a gun...


Isn't it? They both cost money. One big difference though seems to be that if you plunk down anywhere from $100 to $2000 for a gun you get the gun. If you spend that much on mental health care you may have wasted your money.
 
2012-07-23 12:18:12 PM  

birchman: Giltric: rufus-t-firefly: Happy Hours: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: No, that would be ridiculous, but maybe--just maybe--we don't need to pore over every detail of his life. Even if he doesn't want attention; giving him it won't fix what happened, it won't stop someone else from doing the same thing.

Like it or not, it's what people seem to want. My biggest question in all of this is "why?". Sure, it won't prevent future incidents and it doesn't solve anything but it might give some insight.

Maybe if access to mental health care was as easy as buying a gun...

I bet the thought process of the shooter went something like this....

Maybe I should go and shoot up a movie theater, that sounds like fun.

Did you think it went something like this......

Maybe I should go and shoot up a movie theater, that sounds like fun. Woah WTF self...that is totlally the wrong thoing to do. We should go check ourselves into a mental health facility. Oh come on man, those things are expensive and I don;t have health care coverage.

It might not have helped in this situation, so why try at all? People like you need mental health help. If he had easier access to health care he might have sought counseling earlier before it came to this.

How do you make someone check themselves in when they have a problem.....

If there is a suspicion that they are a danger to themselves or others they can be committed.


He did have access by your own words....you can pick someone up/commit them on a mental health warrant..... right?.

Who gets to be the judge.....we already know people frown upon reporting suspicious activity based on the Zimmerman threads....

We need less people like yourself crying wolf about someones mental health over a farking opinion.

Maybe you are projecting and you're the one that needs help......
 
2012-07-23 12:21:46 PM  
Old news is old.

This was reported and corrected last Friday.
 
2012-07-23 12:24:15 PM  
Just what the Tea-per Tantrum needs, an opportunity to dress up and play victim.
 
2012-07-23 12:24:37 PM  
And yet tea partiers are claiming he was a member of the Occupy movement. So which is it... It's got to be one of them right? Right?
 
2012-07-23 12:25:30 PM  

Giltric: We need less people like yourself crying wolf about someones mental health over a farking opinion.

Maybe you are projecting and you're the one that needs help......


So we shouldn't try to do our best to proactively help people like this so they don't shoot up a movie theater? Because in this situation it might not have worked? Yeah, I'm the crazy one here...
 
2012-07-23 12:28:14 PM  

birchman: If there is a suspicion that they are a danger to themselves or others they can be committed.


That doesn't really do much besides getting them off the streets for 72 hours.

It does not actually mean they will get any help at all.

If they just needed a cooling off period then great - problem averted, but this guy had been planning this for months.
 
2012-07-23 12:28:55 PM  
Personally, I blame the desensitization towards violence and the moral ambiguity that the media's been championing for decades.
 
2012-07-23 12:30:18 PM  

Happy Hours: birchman: If there is a suspicion that they are a danger to themselves or others they can be committed.

That doesn't really do much besides getting them off the streets for 72 hours.

It does not actually mean they will get any help at all.

If they just needed a cooling off period then great - problem averted, but this guy had been planning this for months.


I know, I'm not saying it would have done anything about THIS situation, I was just answering a question.
 
2012-07-23 12:35:58 PM  
them teabaggers are dangerous people.
 
2012-07-23 12:36:20 PM  

birchman: Giltric: We need less people like yourself crying wolf about someones mental health over a farking opinion.

Maybe you are projecting and you're the one that needs help......

So we shouldn't try to do our best to proactively help people like this so they don't shoot up a movie theater? Because in this situation it might not have worked? Yeah, I'm the crazy one here...


Do you have an I told you so moment when the person you are following around incessantly, who you think is crazy, finally turns around and knocks your teeth down your throat or shoots you because he feels he is in danger from you stalking him....leading to his I told you so moment that justified his purchase and carrying of a firearm?
 
2012-07-23 12:39:47 PM  

Happy Hours: birchman: If there is a suspicion that they are a danger to themselves or others they can be committed.

That doesn't really do much besides getting them off the streets for 72 hours.

It does not actually mean they will get any help at all.

If they just needed a cooling off period then great - problem averted, but this guy had been planning this for months.


Like a suicider, there simply is no defence for this.
Passing a bunch of "control" laws is just subterfuge to further another agenda entirely.

There is no putting Jinns back into bottles!

If you have a problem w/ doing your duty and LEARNING & TRAINING with guns, support your neighbor.
It is your duty to protect yourself and yours.
 
2012-07-23 12:48:32 PM  
Here is a good comparison. We saw in the Giffords shootings and this shooting how the 'no liberal-bias' media went out of their way to blame the Tea Party and republicans in general. For the Ft. Hood shooting they did everything under the sun to hide the fact that the guy was a jihadist.
 
2012-07-23 12:51:29 PM  

snocone: Happy Hours: birchman: If there is a suspicion that they are a danger to themselves or others they can be committed.

That doesn't really do much besides getting them off the streets for 72 hours.

It does not actually mean they will get any help at all.

If they just needed a cooling off period then great - problem averted, but this guy had been planning this for months.

Like a suicider, there simply is no defence for this.
Passing a bunch of "control" laws is just subterfuge to further another agenda entirely.

There is no putting Jinns back into bottles!

If you have a problem w/ doing your duty and LEARNING & TRAINING with guns, support your neighbor.
It is your duty to protect yourself and yours.


techredible.com
 
2012-07-23 12:53:16 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com

The report was fake, but accurate.
 
2012-07-23 12:55:16 PM  
This is not unlike the mass shooting last year when Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was nearly killed. For days, liberal bloggers and more than a few more reputable journalists were kept busy combing the internet for any piece of evidence that might have indicated that Loughner (whom they knew absolutely nothing about) had been influenced by supposedly violent right-wing political rhetoric. You might recall that this image was posted over and over and discussed to no end as important evidence that Loughner was acting at the instigation of Sarah Palin. I don't recall very much contrition from anyone when it turned out that he was a complete nut who defied any political categorization.
 
2012-07-23 12:56:21 PM  
 
2012-07-23 12:56:59 PM  

Giltric: rufus-t-firefly: Happy Hours: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: No, that would be ridiculous, but maybe--just maybe--we don't need to pore over every detail of his life. Even if he doesn't want attention; giving him it won't fix what happened, it won't stop someone else from doing the same thing.

Like it or not, it's what people seem to want. My biggest question in all of this is "why?". Sure, it won't prevent future incidents and it doesn't solve anything but it might give some insight.

Maybe if access to mental health care was as easy as buying a gun...

I bet the thought process of the shooter went something like this....

Maybe I should go and shoot up a movie theater, that sounds like fun.

Did you think it went something like this......

Maybe I should go and shoot up a movie theater, that sounds like fun. Woah WTF self...that is totlally the wrong thoing to do. We should go check ourselves into a mental health facility. Oh come on man, those things are expensive and I don;t have health care coverage.


How do you make someone check themselves in when they have a problem.....


Difficulty: Crazy people invariably consider themselves totally sane.
 
2012-07-23 12:59:36 PM  
//time to redirect attention away from Tea Party

I heard the shooter was breast fed till he was in Elementary School...

//Take that Time Magazine...
 
2012-07-23 01:00:55 PM  

Rostin: This is not unlike the mass shooting last year when Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was nearly killed. For days, liberal bloggers and more than a few more reputable journalists were kept busy combing the internet for any piece of evidence that might have indicated that Loughner (whom they knew absolutely nothing about) had been influenced by supposedly violent right-wing political rhetoric. You might recall that this image was posted over and over and discussed to no end as important evidence that Loughner was acting at the instigation of Sarah Palin. I don't recall very much contrition from anyone when it turned out that he was a complete nut who defied any political categorization.


It just goes to show that most people can't tell the difference between a schizophrenic and a tea bagger.

See B. F. Skinner
 
2012-07-23 01:03:35 PM  
cdn.crooksandliars.com

It's not like right-wingers regurgitate an ideology of hatred and violence, why would anybody think that?
 
2012-07-23 01:05:07 PM  

dletter: Unfortunately the internet "media" has basically dragged the traditional "mainstream" media down to their level over the past few years, to the point where getting information out "now" is better.


I assert the opposite. Traditional media has gotten so lazy and dissipated that it has become indistinguishable from its amateur competition.
 
2012-07-23 01:11:01 PM  
Well, Jarad Loughner may not have been a registered Tea Partier but he had all the right wing nutjob signs of a Ron Paul, Ayn Randite, complete with rants about gold and silver standardization of currency and a strong opposition to "federalist laws." It wasn't too far off to label him a Tea Partier and I'd love to know his thoughts on that group prior to the incident, especially considering some of his online rants contained language from the Tucson Tea Party group.
 
2012-07-23 01:11:11 PM  

DickDarlington: //time to redirect attention away from Tea Party

I heard the shooter was breast fed till he was in Elementary School...

//Take that Time Magazine...


It fits. He was clearly a liberal, what with his advanced education. He sounds like a man who believed in Darwin and not God!
 
2012-07-23 01:12:00 PM  
scottthong.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-07-23 01:12:39 PM  
Lame Stream Media

Self-fulfilling prophecy?
 
2012-07-23 01:16:06 PM  

Lumpmoose: Didn't the Tea Party rumor originate on the web? ABC didn't "immediately check the Tea Party website" but stupidly reported an unsubstantiated internet rumor.


I don't know if that's how it happened, but wouldn't reporting a rumor without any attempt at verification whatsoever be ten times worse than going to the web site and drawing erroneous conclusions that you then report?
 
2012-07-23 01:21:07 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Difficulty: Crazy people invariably consider themselves totally sane.


That sounds too close to "all alcoholics are in denial"

Are you sane? If you answer yes, you must be crazy.

Are you an alcoholic? If you answer no, you need to attend AA meetings.
 
2012-07-23 01:31:16 PM  

birchman: How do you make someone check themselves in when they have a problem.....

If there is a suspicion that they are a danger to themselves or others they can be committed.


You know, I was personally given this option by some of my city's finest when it came to an ex bf, who was very apparently a danger to others (me). I fretted and fretted over it, called his mother and begged her to be the one to make the decision of having him admitted. Why didn't I? I was too chicken-shiat. The guy was coo-coo for coco-puffs and if he had no qualms about harming me before he was involuntarily committed because he didn't like the way I hung my laundry; then he CERTAINLY would have no qualms about harming me once he was let out of the hospital that I PUT HIM IN. His brain doesn't stop to think: "Oh, I put myself in this situation", it's what everyone else does to HIM.

I figured correctly that I just couldn't take that chance of his obsession forming even more vitriol.

It's just not so black and white. And there are no easy answers.
 
2012-07-23 01:39:17 PM  
His family has a history of acting out in films.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-23 02:01:22 PM  
When this stuff happens the first thing on most people's minds is WHY?

In Loughner's case, the target was a politician speaking at a political event so it was not unreasonable to think the shooter might be opposed to her politics.

As to Aurora, I doubt anyone checked the Tea Party website but more likely googled his name and "Aurora CO" and turned up the Tea Party.

"There's a Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colorado, page on the Colorado Tea party site as well, talking about him joining the Tea Party last year," Ross said. "Now, we don't know if this is the same Jim Holmes. But it's Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colorado."

Sloppy and irresponsible but the Right is just looking like a bunch of crybabies AGAIN.
 
2012-07-23 02:04:43 PM  

badaboom: [scottthong.files.wordpress.com image 600x468]


We know...you're just a victim.
 
2012-07-23 02:18:31 PM  
To be fair, is it really that much of a stretch to think that an unhinged lunatic with an unhealthy obsession for firearms might be a Tea Party member? Or is that retard profiling?
 
2012-07-23 02:22:03 PM  

jdmac: I know the media has a vested interest in promoting the narrative that they tea party is a bunch of violent extremists, but it is getting ridiculous.


You do? How is it that you "know" that the media has a vested interest in promoting the narrative that the tea party is a bunch of violent extremists? What logic lead you to this conclusion?
 
2012-07-23 02:25:38 PM  

mikewadestr: Man, I'd hate what they'd say about the guy if he wasn't for gay marriage. He would probably get three death sentences all carried out consecutively of course.



i1.kym-cdn.com

Awwww, poor, poor baby. You homophobes are so persecuted!
 
2012-07-23 02:36:00 PM  

badaboom: [scottthong.files.wordpress.com image 600x468]


So you're using a strawman to protest the use of strawmen?

We need to go deeper.
 
2012-07-23 02:39:31 PM  
AFAIK, the only thrust of the Tea Party people is fiscal responsibility. Others of various stripes have attributed various BS views to "the Tea Party" but, in point of fact, there really is no Tea Party other than mailing lists of Yahoo Groups and such, and no consistent agenda other than fiscal responsibility.

ABC's Ross made no attempt to contact the Tea Party web site or the James Holmes listed, apparently. I would imagine that he found the listing through a web search on the name, rather than going right to a Tea Party web page, but, if so, there would have been a *lot* of hits on such a common name, and Ross mentioned *just one*.

The head shot of James Holmes The Suspect that is currently being headlined on the news sites looks more like Ronald McDonald than the Joker to me. Maybe this guy thinks he is the HamBurglar on steroids?
 
2012-07-23 02:46:00 PM  

sardonicobserver: AFAIK, the only thrust of the Tea Party people is fiscal responsibility.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *breathe* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Say, care to invest in some magic beans?
 
2012-07-23 02:49:23 PM  

jbc: ABC retracted it the same day, yet the biggest butthurt is coming from Teatards who more than three years later still haven't retracted their demonstrably false claims that the president was born in Kenya. It's extremely difficult to feel sorry for these douchebags.


The man's own promotional material claimed he was from Kenya. Given the first public accusation of his ineligibility, aside from writings that he himself approved, came from a certain venomous woman in his own party, I see no reason to fault the "tea party" for the comments of some individuals within it. I wouldn't call all Democrats nuts just because 38% harbored some sort of truther belief while Bush was in office, nor could Republicans ("all" being implied) be labeled anti-science idiots just because a probably similar percentage of them are scientific illiterates.
 
2012-07-23 02:57:04 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that they scream about "Second Amendment solutions" and carry signs reading "We came unarmed - this time."



Oh please. All my adult life I have listened to the 2A fanboys scream about two things: 1, that they need their guns to throw off Govt if it becomes oppressive and 2, that Govt has become oppressive. I wait for them to show up on Capitol Hill with their God given guns and patriotic sense of duty, but alas, they seem only interested in shooting black kids.

pussies.
 
2012-07-23 02:58:12 PM  

jjorsett: wouldn't reporting a rumor without any attempt at verification whatsoever be ten times worse than going to the web site and drawing erroneous conclusions that you then report?


I would say it would be exactly one times as bad, because in both cases the negligence involves reporting information which has not been verified as true.
 
2012-07-23 03:00:38 PM  

sardonicobserver: AFAIK, the only thrust of the Tea Party people is fiscal responsibility.


It's a mystery.

images.politico.com
 
2012-07-23 03:11:04 PM  

oldweevil: To be fair, is it really that much of a stretch to think that an unhinged lunatic with an unhealthy obsession for firearms might be a Tea Party member? Or is that retard profiling?


THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVE.
 
2012-07-23 03:19:12 PM  

Hermione_Granger: Right-wingers would never politicize a tragedy.

Evangelical Leaders Blame Liberals, Media For Aurora Shootings, Say Only Christian Victims Will Go To Heaven


Flip Benham Declares CO Shooter to be 'Spawn of the Ideology of the Democratic Party'


Is it wrong of me to think of Emma Watson whenever you post...and then feel the need to fap?
 
2012-07-23 03:19:12 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: oldweevil: To be fair, is it really that much of a stretch to think that an unhinged lunatic with an unhealthy obsession for firearms might be a Tea Party member? Or is that retard profiling?

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVE.


So what you are saying is that every gang member who listens to gangster rap is a tea party member?

That everyone who plays COD is a tea party member?

Are you forgetting that revolutionaries on the left around the world practically worship at the altar of the AK-47? That it appears in revolutionary artwork?

You have some real lol-cat logics there son.
 
2012-07-23 03:25:43 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Lumpmoose: Didn't the Tea Party rumor originate on the web? ABC didn't "immediately check the Tea Party website" but stupidly reported an unsubstantiated internet rumor.

And then retracted it.


NO

These people are J-O-U-R-N-A-L-I-S-T-S. They DO NOT get to do something that farking stupid and then just "retract it" and make it OK.

Thanks for playing.
 
2012-07-23 03:30:57 PM  

oldweevil: To be fair, is it really that much of a stretch to think that an unhinged lunatic with an unhealthy obsession for firearms might be a Tea Party member? Or is that retard profiling?


I know, right? I mean, practically all of the really notorious mass shootings that have occurred since the Tea Party came into existence have been committed by those guys.

There was, let's see, that Jared Loughner guy. He was a Tea Partier, right? Oh. He wasn't.

What about Cho, the guy who shot all those people at Virginia Tech? Hmm.. he wasn't either.

Wait, I know! There was that Hasan fella at the military base in Texas.. I see. He was a Muslim extremist.

Well, I'm sure there's a bunch I'm not thinking of, and you aren't just demonizing a bunch of people whose politics you don't like and whose motives you don't understand.
 
2012-07-23 03:31:51 PM  
"They could've contacted me through the Tea Party Patriots website," said Holmes,

So . . . if a journalist wants to talk to a random Tea Party member, just contact the web site and they'll give you his phone number? Cool!
 
2012-07-23 03:37:08 PM  
The guy couldn't have been a liberal. All liberals hate guns.

MINDFREAK
 
2012-07-23 03:52:50 PM  

archichris: So what you are saying is that every gang member who listens to gangster rap is a tea party member?


Yes. Yes, that is EXACTLY what I'm saying. Congratulations, Kreskin, you broke the code.

/this is a neat new thing called "sarcasm", perhaps you've heard of it
 
2012-07-23 03:54:54 PM  
Yes, it was completely and utterly stupid of ABC not to double check that there's more than one James Holmes in the world. A news organization is supposed to have certain, basic standards. All news outlets have become so desperate to be the first to break a story they barely bother to research. They just throw out whatever theory fits the facts.

All that aside, the Tea Party wouldn't have been in their sights if that Limbaugh guy hadn't politicized the movie to begin with. I mean, I'm from Ireland and I heard his crackpot theory about it being an anti-romney thing. Okay, I heard it on a comic forum where people were laughing at him, but I still heard it. It's pretty clear that he shamelessly jumped on the movie's massive publicity so that people would associate the tea party's message with it.

Congratulations, Limbaugh. You got your wish.
 
2012-07-23 04:03:12 PM  
Change this guy's title from journalist to democratic operative. Hell just change the company name from American Broadcasting Company to Administrations broadcasting company.
 
2012-07-23 04:26:19 PM  
Teabaggers, on the whole, are largely blithering buffoons with persecutions complexes. Brian Ross--based on this incident--is a farking idiot and a shiatty reporter with questionable ethics.

Nobody wins here.
 
2012-07-23 05:14:09 PM  

sardonicobserver: AFAIK, the only thrust of the Tea Party people is fiscal responsibility "if that uppity ni*BONG* is fer it, we're agin it!"


Where was the "Tea Party" and its fiscal responsibility when george w. bush was beating the war drums?
 
2012-07-23 05:35:18 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: Media who cried wolf


You mean where they say stuff that isn't true, but the townsfolk believe it anyway, even after having been told there really was no wolf?
 
2012-07-23 05:43:50 PM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: snocone: Happy Hours: birchman: If there is a suspicion that they are a danger to themselves or others they can be committed.

That doesn't really do much besides getting them off the streets for 72 hours.

It does not actually mean they will get any help at all.

If they just needed a cooling off period then great - problem averted, but this guy had been planning this for months.

Like a suicider, there simply is no defence for this.
Passing a bunch of "control" laws is just subterfuge to further another agenda entirely.

There is no putting Jinns back into bottles!

If you have a problem w/ doing your duty and LEARNING & TRAINING with guns, support your neighbor.
It is your duty to protect yourself and yours.

[techredible.com image 500x420]


The word is duty.
Not doody.

Cicero,an early philosopher who discusses duty in his work "On Duty", suggests that duties can come from four different sources:[2]
1.as result of being human
2.as a result of one's particular place in life (one's family, one's country, one's job)
3.as a result of one's character
4.as a result of one's own moral expectations for oneself


/missed it by way more than that much
 
2012-07-23 05:49:49 PM  
Here's how people at ABC find their news...

Google
 
2012-07-23 05:54:38 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: sardonicobserver: AFAIK, the only thrust of the Tea Party people is fiscal responsibility "if that uppity ni*BONG* is fer it, we're agin it!"

Where was the "Tea Party" and its fiscal responsibility when george w. bush was beating the war drums?


A lot of them were thinking about who they would vote for in 2008, and a lot of those people ended up not voting because they didn't have a candidate. If you observe that all your political foes happen to be hypocrites, consider it's your perception of reality that is at fault and not team A/ B. Or you can continue to pretend a sizable percentage of self-claimed fiscal conservatives thought Bush was the bomb no matter what he did. There's always going to be a few blind followers. BO certainly has a couple. If it makes you feel better just knowing that not only are people who think differently than you wrong, but they are also hypocrites, thoughtless, uneducated, etc....well, how you feel is what really matters, so have at it and stay convinced as best you can. Works for me...
 
2012-07-23 06:19:38 PM  

snocone: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: snocone: Happy Hours: birchman: If there is a suspicion that they are a danger to themselves or others they can be committed.

That doesn't really do much besides getting them off the streets for 72 hours.

It does not actually mean they will get any help at all.

If they just needed a cooling off period then great - problem averted, but this guy had been planning this for months.

Like a suicider, there simply is no defence for this.
Passing a bunch of "control" laws is just subterfuge to further another agenda entirely.

There is no putting Jinns back into bottles!

If you have a problem w/ doing your duty and LEARNING & TRAINING with guns, support your neighbor.
It is your duty to protect yourself and yours.

[techredible.com image 500x420]

The word is duty.
Not doody.

Cicero,an early philosopher who discusses duty in his work "On Duty", suggests that duties can come from four different sources:[2]
1.as result of being human
2.as a result of one's particular place in life (one's family, one's country, one's job)
3.as a result of one's character
4.as a result of one's own moral expectations for oneself


/missed it by way more than that much


Oh wow, you know how to copy and paste! There's no "duty" to have anything to do with guns, and your apparent paranoia doesn't change that.
 
2012-07-23 07:28:11 PM  
Benjimin_Dover
2012-07-23 05:49:49 PM
Here's how people at ABC find their news...

GoogleFark
====================================

On the day of the shooting, the fark threads were full of "faux news" hating giddy libtards claiming he was a tea party member and that Limbaugh made him do it.
 
2012-07-23 07:48:41 PM  

DesktopHippie: the Tea Party wouldn't have been in their sights if that Limbaugh guy hadn't politicized the movie to begin with


Oh, please. What's their excuse for Laughner?
 
2012-07-23 07:59:24 PM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: snocone: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: snocone: Happy Hours: birchman: If there is a suspicion that they are a danger to themselves or others they can be committed.

That doesn't really do much besides getting them off the streets for 72 hours.

It does not actually mean they will get any help at all.

If they just needed a cooling off period then great - problem averted, but this guy had been planning this for months.

Like a suicider, there simply is no defence for this.
Passing a bunch of "control" laws is just subterfuge to further another agenda entirely.

There is no putting Jinns back into bottles!

If you have a problem w/ doing your duty and LEARNING & TRAINING with guns, support your neighbor.
It is your duty to protect yourself and yours.

[techredible.com image 500x420]

The word is duty.
Not doody.

Cicero,an early philosopher who discusses duty in his work "On Duty", suggests that duties can come from four different sources:[2]
1.as result of being human
2.as a result of one's particular place in life (one's family, one's country, one's job)
3.as a result of one's character
4.as a result of one's own moral expectations for oneself


/missed it by way more than that much

Oh wow, you know how to copy and paste! There's no "duty" to have anything to do with guns, and your apparent paranoia doesn't change that.


First it was fists, nails and teeth.
Then came sticks or rocks, you decide.
Then came sharp stones.
And stones on sticks.
Knives.
Swords.
Bows & arrows.
And so on.
We now have guns, a far cry from tomorrow's personal weapons, I am sure.
You also have nukes, bioweapons and chit you have not been told about for good reason.
None of them are going away, regardless of any foolish legislation you may fancy.

There are a lot of people in the world that will come to your house for your stuff, your women and children.
Today they will bring guns. Will your naivete' stop them?

This is paranoid? You, my friend, need aging, experience and to get out of the basement(frat house) for a while.
There is a real world out there.
It bites!
 
2012-07-23 08:03:41 PM  

Sensei Can You See: DesktopHippie: the Tea Party wouldn't have been in their sights if that Limbaugh guy hadn't politicized the movie to begin with

Oh, please. What's their excuse for Laughner?


He attacked a Democratic politician at a political event? "We came unarmed. This time."? Sharron Angle?
 
2012-07-23 08:26:20 PM  
snocone:
First it was fists, nails and teeth.
Then came sticks or rocks, you decide.
Then came sharp stones.
And stones on sticks.
Knives.
Swords.
Bows & arrows.
And so on.
We now have guns, a far cry from tomorrow's personal weapons, I am sure.
You also have nukes, bioweapons and chit you have not been told about for good reason.
None of them are going away, regardless of any foolish legislation you may fancy.

There are a lot of people in the world that will come to your house for your stuff, your women and children.
Today they will bring guns. Will your naivete' stop them?

This is paranoid? You, my friend, need aging, experience and to g ...


I don't "fancy" any legislation to take away your guns or anyone else's. And yes, thinking the world is out to get you is a clear sign of paranoia and delusion. Seriously, you need psychiatric help.
 
2012-07-23 08:33:52 PM  
Love first,

ask questions later.

P.S. Put away your gun firstly.
 
2012-07-23 09:31:58 PM  
He was also a PhD student in Neuroscience. Shall we jump to conclusions about his classmates?
 
2012-07-23 09:48:34 PM  

ShonenBat: He was also a PhD student in Neuroscience.


Which proves that he ISN'T a Teabagger. The vast majority of Teabaggers are poorly educated and seemingly proud of it.
 
2012-07-23 10:08:41 PM  
never mind the facts, just talk about the shooting!
 
2012-07-23 10:16:41 PM  
I call Ficas.
 
2012-07-23 10:18:10 PM  

Indubitably: I call Ficas.


Apologies, ficus?

Goodnight.
 
2012-07-23 11:36:04 PM  
Must everything be political? He was crazy. That's all that matters.
 
2012-07-24 01:01:25 AM  

Happy Hours: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: No, that would be ridiculous, but maybe--just maybe--we don't need to pore over every detail of his life. Even if he doesn't want attention; giving him it won't fix what happened, it won't stop someone else from doing the same thing.

Like it or not, it's what people seem to want. My biggest question in all of this is "why?". Sure, it won't prevent future incidents and it doesn't solve anything but it might give some insight.

I thought the memorial last night was kind of creepy. They recited the names of all the victims who died and the audience responded with "we will never forget" after each name. Really? They'll never forget those people? They'll probably never forget that 12 people died and maybe not forget that a few died shielding their girlfriends, but all 12 of them? I wonder how many of those people could repeat all 12 names today let alone next month or next year and yet they mechanically repeated "We will never forget" after each name was said.

That won't fix what happened either nor will it prevent anything like that from ever happening again in the future yet apparently some people felt it was very important.

They were mostly just ordinary people who got caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. It happens all the time. It's just rare that it happens to so many people at once. What about all the other people who got killed just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Well, we never even heard their names.

What about John Wilkes Booth? Lee Harvey Oswald? Mark David Chapman? John Hinkley? Did having their names in the press spur others to copy them? Were they glorified in any way?

I don't think we should simplify history and just say some crazy guy killed someone or some people.


My first smart vote for someone here. Nice job.
 
2012-07-24 01:07:13 AM  

Fribble: Just saw him on TV.... he looks like he knows he toast.


I thought the same thing. Kinda like buyers remorse but on a bigger scale.
 
2012-07-24 01:20:43 AM  

snocone: You also have nukes, bioweapons and chit you have not been told about for good reason.


"I do not know with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein, allegedly
 
2012-07-24 03:12:25 PM  
You have it wrong. Here in Colorado our mass murders are so progressive they go to school in BOULDER!
 
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