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2012-07-23 11:55:01 AM
blogs.villagevoice.com
R.I.P.
 
2012-07-23 11:55:17 AM
"There's a Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colorado, page on the Colorado Tea party site as well, talking about him joining the Tea Party last year," Ross said. "Now, we don't know if this is the same Jim Holmes. But it's Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colorado," Brian Ross told George Stephanopoulos on "Good Morning America."

Not really the same thing as saying the suspect was a tea party member, now is it? Poor reporting, but BFD.
 
2012-07-23 11:55:28 AM
hey It might have been a shot in the Dark (knight).

This guy might not be the joker but he is a Riddle(r) wrapped and e Nigma.

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2012-07-23 11:55:45 AM
Why shouldn't the media investigate possible links a mass shooter might have to domestic terror organizations who have repeatedly called for violence?

Seems like due diligence to me.
 
2012-07-23 11:55:50 AM
Maybe we shouldn't automatically look at the teabaggers - Glenn Beck's fans, however...

"I would have never started watching Fox News if it wasn't for the fact that Beck was on there. And it was the things that he did, it was the things he exposed that blew my mind." - Byron Williams

Byron Williams, a 45-year-old ex-felon, exploded onto the national stage in the early morning hours of July 18.

According to a police investigation, Williams opened fire on California Highway Patrol officers who had stopped him on an Oakland freeway for driving erratically. For 12 frantic minutes, Williams traded shots with the police, employing three firearms and a small arsenal of ammunition, including armor-piercing rounds fired from a .308-caliber rifle.

When the smoke cleared, Williams surrendered; the ballistic body armor he was wearing had saved his life. Miraculously, only two of the 10 CHP officers involved in the shootout were injured.

In an affidavit, an Oakland police investigator reported that during an interview at the hospital, Williams "stated that his intention was to start a revolution by traveling to San Francisco and killing people of importance at the Tides Foundation and the ACLU."
...
talk with Janice about how Byron told police he was heading to San Francisco to "start a revolution" and ask her why she thinks Byron would have targeted Tides.

"I had never heard of the Tides Foundation before all of this," Janice says. "But he researched it and realized it was a money laundering scheme for the radical left that didn't want their names attributed to what they were doing."

I ask Janice if Byron was a fan of Glenn Beck.

"Yes, he liked Glenn Beck, but he didn't feel he went far enough," she says. "He'd take it only so far, but stopped short."

Again, Janice bristles at this line of questioning.

"I had only one hate call out of all the thousands of people who heard about this case," she says. "Most people have expressed support -- not for the act, but for the frustration behind it."


http://mediamatters.org/research/2010/10/11/progressive-hunter/171471
 
2012-07-23 11:56:01 AM

rufus-t-firefly: Happy Hours: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: No, that would be ridiculous, but maybe--just maybe--we don't need to pore over every detail of his life. Even if he doesn't want attention; giving him it won't fix what happened, it won't stop someone else from doing the same thing.

Like it or not, it's what people seem to want. My biggest question in all of this is "why?". Sure, it won't prevent future incidents and it doesn't solve anything but it might give some insight.

Maybe if access to mental health care was as easy as buying a gun...


I bet the thought process of the shooter went something like this....

Maybe I should go and shoot up a movie theater, that sounds like fun.

Did you think it went something like this......

Maybe I should go and shoot up a movie theater, that sounds like fun. Woah WTF self...that is totlally the wrong thoing to do. We should go check ourselves into a mental health facility. Oh come on man, those things are expensive and I don;t have health care coverage.


How do you make someone check themselves in when they have a problem.....
 
2012-07-23 11:56:18 AM

jdmac: With all the accusations against the tea party, can any one show me even one case where members of Tea Party actually engaged in violence? I know the media has a vested interest in promoting the narrative that they tea party is a bunch of violent extremists, but it is getting ridiculous.


Let me know when they start denouncing the people who wave around guns at political rallies. Funny how similar that looks to political demonstrations in the Middle East by people they despise so much since they don't call God the right name.
 
2012-07-23 11:58:12 AM

dennysgod: So ABC is sinking to FoxNews level of journalism.


Not quite, they actually redacted their mistake.
 
2012-07-23 11:58:51 AM

rufus-t-firefly: If your neighbors constantly hear you screaming threats of violence, then at some point there's a shooting in your neighborhood, then the cops might want to question you.


Good point. The Gadsen Flag Flyer on my street is a paranoid skinhead that has been talked to by the police for screaming at people walking by and writing screeds in sidewalk chalk (seriously) about all of "us" being traitors. And if he doesn't beat his wife then I don't know what's got her so spooked.

That sort of crap sticks in your head. The sane folks that practice a civilized version of complaining about taxes and deficits and OMG SOSHULISM don't.
 
2012-07-23 12:02:12 PM

Giltric: rufus-t-firefly: Happy Hours: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: No, that would be ridiculous, but maybe--just maybe--we don't need to pore over every detail of his life. Even if he doesn't want attention; giving him it won't fix what happened, it won't stop someone else from doing the same thing.

Like it or not, it's what people seem to want. My biggest question in all of this is "why?". Sure, it won't prevent future incidents and it doesn't solve anything but it might give some insight.

Maybe if access to mental health care was as easy as buying a gun...

I bet the thought process of the shooter went something like this....

Maybe I should go and shoot up a movie theater, that sounds like fun.

Did you think it went something like this......

Maybe I should go and shoot up a movie theater, that sounds like fun. Woah WTF self...that is totlally the wrong thoing to do. We should go check ourselves into a mental health facility. Oh come on man, those things are expensive and I don;t have health care coverage.


It might not have helped in this situation, so why try at all? People like you need mental health help. If he had easier access to health care he might have sought counseling earlier before it came to this.

How do you make someone check themselves in when they have a problem.....

If there is a suspicion that they are a danger to themselves or others they can be committed.
 
2012-07-23 12:04:39 PM

henryhill: Poor reporting, but BFD.


I disagree; this was reporting nonsense and the type of sh*t that gets people to take out vigilante measures against completely unrelated people. Remember that happened in the Trayvon Martin case... Spike Lee tweets out the "identity" and phone number of Zimmerman? Oh, wait it was a totally different person that was forced to go into hiding, move, and basically have their life uprooted.

It is really irresponsible journalism, as it is at best grasping at straws for what is really a non-story to begin with.
 
2012-07-23 12:07:17 PM
Nice to see some of the people who biatched that we shouldn't point at Muslim/Terrorists/ Minorities have no problem when they falsely finger point to the Tea Party.

hypocrites
 
2012-07-23 12:08:40 PM
Maybe we need a regulation to prevent news agencies from doing this kind of thing. We could name it the Holmes Bill.

We'd have to be careful not to infringe on good god-fearing reporters though; maybe for those reporters or networks that demonstrate that they're balanced in their reporting we can have an exemption?
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2012-07-23 12:09:20 PM
ABC retracted it the same day, yet the biggest butthurt is coming from Teatards who more than three years later still haven't retracted their demonstrably false claims that the president was born in Kenya. It's extremely difficult to feel sorry for these douchebags.
 
2012-07-23 12:09:24 PM
The mainstream media are the enemy

Period.
 
2012-07-23 12:12:26 PM

Giltric: rufus-t-firefly: Happy Hours: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: No, that would be ridiculous, but maybe--just maybe--we don't need to pore over every detail of his life. Even if he doesn't want attention; giving him it won't fix what happened, it won't stop someone else from doing the same thing.

Like it or not, it's what people seem to want. My biggest question in all of this is "why?". Sure, it won't prevent future incidents and it doesn't solve anything but it might give some insight.

Maybe if access to mental health care was as easy as buying a gun...

I bet the thought process of the shooter went something like this....

Maybe I should go and shoot up a movie theater, that sounds like fun.

Did you think it went something like this......

Maybe I should go and shoot up a movie theater, that sounds like fun. Woah WTF self...that is totlally the wrong thoing to do. We should go check ourselves into a mental health facility. Oh come on man, those things are expensive and I don;t have health care coverage.


How do you make someone check themselves in when they have a problem.....


I'm just going to leave this here:

static.infowars.com
 
2012-07-23 12:16:03 PM

rufus-t-firefly: Happy Hours: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: No, that would be ridiculous, but maybe--just maybe--we don't need to pore over every detail of his life. Even if he doesn't want attention; giving him it won't fix what happened, it won't stop someone else from doing the same thing.

Like it or not, it's what people seem to want. My biggest question in all of this is "why?". Sure, it won't prevent future incidents and it doesn't solve anything but it might give some insight.

Maybe if access to mental health care was as easy as buying a gun...


Isn't it? They both cost money. One big difference though seems to be that if you plunk down anywhere from $100 to $2000 for a gun you get the gun. If you spend that much on mental health care you may have wasted your money.
 
2012-07-23 12:18:12 PM

birchman: Giltric: rufus-t-firefly: Happy Hours: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: No, that would be ridiculous, but maybe--just maybe--we don't need to pore over every detail of his life. Even if he doesn't want attention; giving him it won't fix what happened, it won't stop someone else from doing the same thing.

Like it or not, it's what people seem to want. My biggest question in all of this is "why?". Sure, it won't prevent future incidents and it doesn't solve anything but it might give some insight.

Maybe if access to mental health care was as easy as buying a gun...

I bet the thought process of the shooter went something like this....

Maybe I should go and shoot up a movie theater, that sounds like fun.

Did you think it went something like this......

Maybe I should go and shoot up a movie theater, that sounds like fun. Woah WTF self...that is totlally the wrong thoing to do. We should go check ourselves into a mental health facility. Oh come on man, those things are expensive and I don;t have health care coverage.

It might not have helped in this situation, so why try at all? People like you need mental health help. If he had easier access to health care he might have sought counseling earlier before it came to this.

How do you make someone check themselves in when they have a problem.....

If there is a suspicion that they are a danger to themselves or others they can be committed.


He did have access by your own words....you can pick someone up/commit them on a mental health warrant..... right?.

Who gets to be the judge.....we already know people frown upon reporting suspicious activity based on the Zimmerman threads....

We need less people like yourself crying wolf about someones mental health over a farking opinion.

Maybe you are projecting and you're the one that needs help......
 
2012-07-23 12:21:46 PM
Old news is old.

This was reported and corrected last Friday.
 
2012-07-23 12:24:15 PM
Just what the Tea-per Tantrum needs, an opportunity to dress up and play victim.
 
2012-07-23 12:24:37 PM
And yet tea partiers are claiming he was a member of the Occupy movement. So which is it... It's got to be one of them right? Right?
 
2012-07-23 12:25:30 PM

Giltric: We need less people like yourself crying wolf about someones mental health over a farking opinion.

Maybe you are projecting and you're the one that needs help......


So we shouldn't try to do our best to proactively help people like this so they don't shoot up a movie theater? Because in this situation it might not have worked? Yeah, I'm the crazy one here...
 
2012-07-23 12:28:14 PM

birchman: If there is a suspicion that they are a danger to themselves or others they can be committed.


That doesn't really do much besides getting them off the streets for 72 hours.

It does not actually mean they will get any help at all.

If they just needed a cooling off period then great - problem averted, but this guy had been planning this for months.
 
2012-07-23 12:28:55 PM
Personally, I blame the desensitization towards violence and the moral ambiguity that the media's been championing for decades.
 
2012-07-23 12:30:18 PM

Happy Hours: birchman: If there is a suspicion that they are a danger to themselves or others they can be committed.

That doesn't really do much besides getting them off the streets for 72 hours.

It does not actually mean they will get any help at all.

If they just needed a cooling off period then great - problem averted, but this guy had been planning this for months.


I know, I'm not saying it would have done anything about THIS situation, I was just answering a question.
 
2012-07-23 12:35:58 PM
them teabaggers are dangerous people.
 
2012-07-23 12:36:20 PM

birchman: Giltric: We need less people like yourself crying wolf about someones mental health over a farking opinion.

Maybe you are projecting and you're the one that needs help......

So we shouldn't try to do our best to proactively help people like this so they don't shoot up a movie theater? Because in this situation it might not have worked? Yeah, I'm the crazy one here...


Do you have an I told you so moment when the person you are following around incessantly, who you think is crazy, finally turns around and knocks your teeth down your throat or shoots you because he feels he is in danger from you stalking him....leading to his I told you so moment that justified his purchase and carrying of a firearm?
 
2012-07-23 12:39:47 PM

Happy Hours: birchman: If there is a suspicion that they are a danger to themselves or others they can be committed.

That doesn't really do much besides getting them off the streets for 72 hours.

It does not actually mean they will get any help at all.

If they just needed a cooling off period then great - problem averted, but this guy had been planning this for months.


Like a suicider, there simply is no defence for this.
Passing a bunch of "control" laws is just subterfuge to further another agenda entirely.

There is no putting Jinns back into bottles!

If you have a problem w/ doing your duty and LEARNING & TRAINING with guns, support your neighbor.
It is your duty to protect yourself and yours.
 
2012-07-23 12:48:32 PM
Here is a good comparison. We saw in the Giffords shootings and this shooting how the 'no liberal-bias' media went out of their way to blame the Tea Party and republicans in general. For the Ft. Hood shooting they did everything under the sun to hide the fact that the guy was a jihadist.
 
2012-07-23 12:51:29 PM

snocone: Happy Hours: birchman: If there is a suspicion that they are a danger to themselves or others they can be committed.

That doesn't really do much besides getting them off the streets for 72 hours.

It does not actually mean they will get any help at all.

If they just needed a cooling off period then great - problem averted, but this guy had been planning this for months.

Like a suicider, there simply is no defence for this.
Passing a bunch of "control" laws is just subterfuge to further another agenda entirely.

There is no putting Jinns back into bottles!

If you have a problem w/ doing your duty and LEARNING & TRAINING with guns, support your neighbor.
It is your duty to protect yourself and yours.


techredible.com
 
2012-07-23 12:53:16 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com

The report was fake, but accurate.
 
2012-07-23 12:55:16 PM
This is not unlike the mass shooting last year when Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was nearly killed. For days, liberal bloggers and more than a few more reputable journalists were kept busy combing the internet for any piece of evidence that might have indicated that Loughner (whom they knew absolutely nothing about) had been influenced by supposedly violent right-wing political rhetoric. You might recall that this image was posted over and over and discussed to no end as important evidence that Loughner was acting at the instigation of Sarah Palin. I don't recall very much contrition from anyone when it turned out that he was a complete nut who defied any political categorization.
 
2012-07-23 12:56:21 PM
 
2012-07-23 12:56:59 PM

Giltric: rufus-t-firefly: Happy Hours: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: No, that would be ridiculous, but maybe--just maybe--we don't need to pore over every detail of his life. Even if he doesn't want attention; giving him it won't fix what happened, it won't stop someone else from doing the same thing.

Like it or not, it's what people seem to want. My biggest question in all of this is "why?". Sure, it won't prevent future incidents and it doesn't solve anything but it might give some insight.

Maybe if access to mental health care was as easy as buying a gun...

I bet the thought process of the shooter went something like this....

Maybe I should go and shoot up a movie theater, that sounds like fun.

Did you think it went something like this......

Maybe I should go and shoot up a movie theater, that sounds like fun. Woah WTF self...that is totlally the wrong thoing to do. We should go check ourselves into a mental health facility. Oh come on man, those things are expensive and I don;t have health care coverage.


How do you make someone check themselves in when they have a problem.....


Difficulty: Crazy people invariably consider themselves totally sane.
 
2012-07-23 12:59:36 PM
//time to redirect attention away from Tea Party

I heard the shooter was breast fed till he was in Elementary School...

//Take that Time Magazine...
 
2012-07-23 01:00:55 PM

Rostin: This is not unlike the mass shooting last year when Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was nearly killed. For days, liberal bloggers and more than a few more reputable journalists were kept busy combing the internet for any piece of evidence that might have indicated that Loughner (whom they knew absolutely nothing about) had been influenced by supposedly violent right-wing political rhetoric. You might recall that this image was posted over and over and discussed to no end as important evidence that Loughner was acting at the instigation of Sarah Palin. I don't recall very much contrition from anyone when it turned out that he was a complete nut who defied any political categorization.


It just goes to show that most people can't tell the difference between a schizophrenic and a tea bagger.

See B. F. Skinner
 
2012-07-23 01:03:35 PM
cdn.crooksandliars.com

It's not like right-wingers regurgitate an ideology of hatred and violence, why would anybody think that?
 
2012-07-23 01:05:07 PM

dletter: Unfortunately the internet "media" has basically dragged the traditional "mainstream" media down to their level over the past few years, to the point where getting information out "now" is better.


I assert the opposite. Traditional media has gotten so lazy and dissipated that it has become indistinguishable from its amateur competition.
 
2012-07-23 01:11:01 PM
Well, Jarad Loughner may not have been a registered Tea Partier but he had all the right wing nutjob signs of a Ron Paul, Ayn Randite, complete with rants about gold and silver standardization of currency and a strong opposition to "federalist laws." It wasn't too far off to label him a Tea Partier and I'd love to know his thoughts on that group prior to the incident, especially considering some of his online rants contained language from the Tucson Tea Party group.
 
2012-07-23 01:11:11 PM

DickDarlington: //time to redirect attention away from Tea Party

I heard the shooter was breast fed till he was in Elementary School...

//Take that Time Magazine...


It fits. He was clearly a liberal, what with his advanced education. He sounds like a man who believed in Darwin and not God!
 
2012-07-23 01:12:00 PM
scottthong.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-07-23 01:12:39 PM
Lame Stream Media

Self-fulfilling prophecy?
 
2012-07-23 01:16:06 PM

Lumpmoose: Didn't the Tea Party rumor originate on the web? ABC didn't "immediately check the Tea Party website" but stupidly reported an unsubstantiated internet rumor.


I don't know if that's how it happened, but wouldn't reporting a rumor without any attempt at verification whatsoever be ten times worse than going to the web site and drawing erroneous conclusions that you then report?
 
2012-07-23 01:21:07 PM

Pants full of macaroni!!: Difficulty: Crazy people invariably consider themselves totally sane.


That sounds too close to "all alcoholics are in denial"

Are you sane? If you answer yes, you must be crazy.

Are you an alcoholic? If you answer no, you need to attend AA meetings.
 
2012-07-23 01:31:16 PM

birchman: How do you make someone check themselves in when they have a problem.....

If there is a suspicion that they are a danger to themselves or others they can be committed.


You know, I was personally given this option by some of my city's finest when it came to an ex bf, who was very apparently a danger to others (me). I fretted and fretted over it, called his mother and begged her to be the one to make the decision of having him admitted. Why didn't I? I was too chicken-shiat. The guy was coo-coo for coco-puffs and if he had no qualms about harming me before he was involuntarily committed because he didn't like the way I hung my laundry; then he CERTAINLY would have no qualms about harming me once he was let out of the hospital that I PUT HIM IN. His brain doesn't stop to think: "Oh, I put myself in this situation", it's what everyone else does to HIM.

I figured correctly that I just couldn't take that chance of his obsession forming even more vitriol.

It's just not so black and white. And there are no easy answers.
 
2012-07-23 01:39:17 PM
His family has a history of acting out in films.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-23 02:01:22 PM
When this stuff happens the first thing on most people's minds is WHY?

In Loughner's case, the target was a politician speaking at a political event so it was not unreasonable to think the shooter might be opposed to her politics.

As to Aurora, I doubt anyone checked the Tea Party website but more likely googled his name and "Aurora CO" and turned up the Tea Party.

"There's a Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colorado, page on the Colorado Tea party site as well, talking about him joining the Tea Party last year," Ross said. "Now, we don't know if this is the same Jim Holmes. But it's Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colorado."

Sloppy and irresponsible but the Right is just looking like a bunch of crybabies AGAIN.
 
2012-07-23 02:04:43 PM

badaboom: [scottthong.files.wordpress.com image 600x468]


We know...you're just a victim.
 
2012-07-23 02:18:31 PM
To be fair, is it really that much of a stretch to think that an unhinged lunatic with an unhealthy obsession for firearms might be a Tea Party member? Or is that retard profiling?
 
2012-07-23 02:22:03 PM

jdmac: I know the media has a vested interest in promoting the narrative that they tea party is a bunch of violent extremists, but it is getting ridiculous.


You do? How is it that you "know" that the media has a vested interest in promoting the narrative that the tea party is a bunch of violent extremists? What logic lead you to this conclusion?
 
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