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2012-07-23 11:29:54 AM  

DamnYankees: jst3p: DamnYankees: Why do they have to be "any good"?

Because that is how athletic works?

But its not how sanctions should work. We don't punish athletes based on how good they are at the sport, and I would be extremely resistant to any penalty to the school which had the result of farking over less-talented athletes while keeping the better ones safe.


Oh STFU fer crissakes. You think that Bozo Community College football team wouldn't want some kid that was good enough to be recruited at Penn State? The ONLY student athletes that will be left at Penn State are those that WANT to still be there. The rest will be able to easily find somewhere else to go. I was starting to com around to you after people explained it to you, but then you went all derp again with your stupid comments. NO STUDENTS ARE BEING farkED OVER HERE, is that clear enough now?
 
2012-07-23 11:29:58 AM  
Penn State will go 7-5, but they're going to get raped at Nebraska.
 
2012-07-23 11:30:29 AM  

Dull Cow Eyes: spentmiles: I wonder what Sandusky is thinking right now


Has his lawyer prevented him from going with the Full NAMBLA defense? Cause I'm waiting for the "i was just helping young gay boys into a right of passage" consensual sex defense.


3/10
 
2012-07-23 11:31:10 AM  

Sypad: I especially think stripping Paterno of his wins record was an appropriate symbolic touch.


Symbolism has no place when it comes to handing out punishment.
 
2012-07-23 11:31:14 AM  

jst3p: Carousel Beast: Farking mob mentality.

You Joepa White Knights keep throwing this term around. Please stop as it does not fit the situation and makes you look stupid.

Thanks!


You're a complete retard. Or a troll. One of the two. Or both.
 
2012-07-23 11:31:17 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: Thast $60 million is (supposed to be) going directly to abuse programs - we'll never see it quantified or itemized in its effect, but I think it can go a long way and hope it does.


Child abuse recovery programs are chronically underfunded, but this is the one part of the punishments that reeks most of marketing.

Child abuse counseling needs money, badly, but it's not like you can do this by just throwing money on it. Yes, I know, Fark and nuance go together like a spark and dynamite, so try to keep up. The reason why even after $60 million these sorts of programs will be starved for cash is that I bitterly assume there will be some very regressive restrictions on how the money is spent -- namely, on facilities while zero fund will be allocated to, say, hire a counselor with a goddamn MSSW. The problem is that you can buy all the nice shiny facilities in the world, but what they really need are competent, trustworthy people. LOTS of them. It's a very labor-intensive process. These places are often targeted by abusers, so everyone from the counselor to the effin' janitor needs to be extensively monitored, and tragically, they often aren't. The ideal sorts of people for this generally work professional jobs, and any attempt to pay qualified social workers for anything more than listening to bored housewives whine about their first-world problems are met with howls of outrage about wasted money.

My sister is a MSSW. She doesn't do social work for a living because in most places, you can't.
 
2012-07-23 11:32:15 AM  
How is Jerry Sandusky

i.usatoday.net


Like

www.cravingthesavings.com

Chicken of the Sea tuna?


They both come in small cans...
 
2012-07-23 11:32:24 AM  

Sliding Carp: WMCB: I don't understand eliminating scholarships. Why punish the students for their coaches' farkups?

The same reason the Fed always lowers interest rates in response to economic problems - it's the only thing they know how to do.


I guess they could redistribute the allowed scholarships to other schools.

The heart of the matter is this. The NCAA has made a serious and grave penalty for allowing diddling to occur (especially diddling that was known about or at the very least, strongly suspected) by people with enough clout to stop it. Penn State is being made an example of. Seeing the football program's head displayed on a pike will likely make other colleges take an interest in whatever secret activity may be going on in their halls. That was the point of this.
 
2012-07-23 11:33:40 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: Sadly, new Penn State head coach O'Brien was offensive coordinator with the Patriots - his first head coaching job is going to be one of the worst head coaching jobs you could possibly have. Hopefully he has the strength to take the lunps, remain patient, and put dignified people on the field.


In a way, something interesting could happen. No one expects on-field success. Without the pressure of having to win, what do you do?
 
2012-07-23 11:33:41 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: fatalvenom: spentmiles: Wow, notice they didn't include a lifetime coaching ban for Sandusky. How long before that scumbag is back on the sidelines? I could see him landing at Florida or even stepping up to the NFL with the Patriots once he finishes his sentence.

4/10

Sadly, new Penn State head coach O'Brien was offensive coordinator with the Patriots - his first head coaching job is going to be one of the worst head coaching jobs you could possibly have. Hopefully he has the strength to take the lunps, remain patient, and put dignified people on the field.


He started with them in 2007... same year Spygate happened. Why the fark would they even consider picking this guy?
 
2012-07-23 11:33:49 AM  

nmiguy: How is Jerry Sandusky

[i.usatoday.net image 490x360]


Like

[www.cravingthesavings.com image 175x175]

Chicken of the Sea tuna?


They both come in small cans...


No, sometimes it comes in mouths. Haven't you been paying attention?
 
2012-07-23 11:34:10 AM  

professorkowalski: Sypad: I especially think stripping Paterno of his wins record was an appropriate symbolic touch.

Symbolism has no place when it comes to handing out punishment.


I generally agree, but I can't think of any more appropriate way to punish Paterno, since he passed away already.
 
2012-07-23 11:34:18 AM  

Sypad: /probably won't catch any comments directed my way; just felt inspired to try and address some of the hyperbole.


No, it matters. For better or worse, the attention is directed at the holdouts.

This is one case, though, where I think public herd behavior is working well. If you "get it" then the torches and pitchforks aren't marching in your direction anyway.
 
2012-07-23 11:34:26 AM  

my lip balm addiction: AndreMA: Carousel Beast: Vacating the wins isn't a bad idea, actually, since it's the only way to punish Paterno

How about just listing the "head coach" position for those years as "vacant" -- in effect retroactively disqualifying Paterno from the position? That would have the desired effect without collateral damage, and isn't any further from reality than pretending the outcome of games years ago was different.

I am tired of reading your idiotic comments and questions. Instead of asking such stupidity, why don;t you answer the farking question yourself? What "collateral damage" is being done to,,,welll...ANYONE here? If you can't answer that with any shred of intelligence than your stupid ass is going on ignore. Too many stupid farks in here just like that can't grasp a simple farking concept.

/You vote conservative too don't you
//your derp is GOP-level strong


They vacated the wins for both the players and coaches. At least some of the coaches were complicit in the cover up. Which players were, again?

You are a farking inbred moron if you think a blanket punishment that hits the innocent rather than targeting the guilty is a good idea.

/Not to mention a political hack
 
2012-07-23 11:34:58 AM  

gadian: Meh. Sound and fury signifying nothing. We're so mad at you that we're going to hurt every player from the last decade + even though they weren't the ones raping kids. There, aren't you students so sorry that you probably didn't know and could never have helped those children! It's like your mother beating your brother when your father is caught screwing around. Just kick them out of the league for bad sportsmanship or something instead. That would show a no-tolerance sort of attitude. Horses, barn door and all.



Where the hell are all these PSU defenders when organizations like Bank of America, JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, and Countrywide are being attacked by people demanding their dissolution for the dishonest business practices of a few employees?
 
2012-07-23 11:35:09 AM  

Void_Beavis: So SMU gets the "death penalty" for paying off players, but PSU can have Pedobear on their coaching staff and is allowed to continue playing football.

Yeah...

I'm going to go punch a wall now.


The NCAA has all but said they won't death penalty anyone again. They thought the program would suffer for 3-4 years at most, not 2 decades.

While it's an option it's more like a nuke. They keep it as a deterrent more than something they plan on unleashing.

If JoPa were still head coach I think the punishment would have been harsher as well, maybe 1 year of 0 scholarships and 3 years of reduced, something to keep them from recruiting.
 
2012-07-23 11:35:37 AM  

hdhale: But back to my point. Vacating wins is a big deal. It's not a punishment that should be handed out when there were no ineligible players involved. It eats at the integrity of the product.


I don't even consider vacating wins to be a valid punishment at all. The game was played. The highlight reels were recorded. The people and players attended. The fans paid their money, the players made a case to NFL scouts or failed to do so. The injuries picked up on the field didn't retroactively heal. The players who made a case to NFL scouts went on to play in the NFL, and the NFL doesn't give a shiat about college wins and losses (see also: undrafted Kellen Moore). Everybody who was there remembers the games that were played, the course of football history was altered due to them. You can't just go 'Okay, everyone, now we're going to start telling big, fat lies about our past and we'd like you to tell those big, fat lies as well' as if this were some sort of Stalinist purge or something.
 
2012-07-23 11:36:44 AM  

CheekyMonkey: clipperbox: i wish they could revive joe pa and give him the news

Don't worry, he knows. They get ESPN in Hell.


Only "Rome is Burning"...on an endless loop

"Hello clones...Rome here. Today with have a great 12 hour sit down with Ryan Leaf so have a take and bring it."

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-23 11:37:04 AM  
But has anyone stopped to point out who the *real* victims here are???

a.abcnews.com

/yes, I see you jackasses
//yes, punishing the students who did nothing is a-ok in my book

///how else are people supposed to realize that raping children is bad?
 
2012-07-23 11:38:19 AM  
I don't know/care about sports much in general. And College Football ranks about even with belly button lint in my give-a-fark o-meter.

BUT, can we start lobbying to make it legal to punch people in the face that utter the term "JoePa", because I really really wanna punch people in the face that say that word. A lot.
 
2012-07-23 11:38:50 AM  

CliChe Guevara: PlatinumDragon: //you don't want to know what I'd do to Vatican City in my imagination

I wouldn't mess with the city itself. it has some great buildings. The occupants, yes, but after they were mostly flayed or disarticulated I think the tiny little city itself would make a freaking awesome venue and clubbing spot.


Neutron weaponry.

/I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...
 
2012-07-23 11:39:11 AM  

nmiguy: How is Jerry Sandusky

[i.usatoday.net image 490x360]


Like

[www.cravingthesavings.com image 175x175]

Chicken of the Sea tuna?


They both come in small cans...


And Jackie Martling gets another royalty check....

/rim shot
//many rim shots
///oww
 
2012-07-23 11:39:53 AM  

Carousel Beast: my lip balm addiction: AndreMA: Carousel Beast: Vacating the wins isn't a bad idea, actually, since it's the only way to punish Paterno

How about just listing the "head coach" position for those years as "vacant" -- in effect retroactively disqualifying Paterno from the position? That would have the desired effect without collateral damage, and isn't any further from reality than pretending the outcome of games years ago was different.

I am tired of reading your idiotic comments and questions. Instead of asking such stupidity, why don;t you answer the farking question yourself? What "collateral damage" is being done to,,,welll...ANYONE here? If you can't answer that with any shred of intelligence than your stupid ass is going on ignore. Too many stupid farks in here just like that can't grasp a simple farking concept.

/You vote conservative too don't you
//your derp is GOP-level strong

They vacated the wins for both the players and coaches. At least some of the coaches were complicit in the cover up. Which players were, again?

You are a farking inbred moron if you think a blanket punishment that hits the innocent rather than targeting the guilty is a good idea.

/Not to mention a political hack


Your tears are delicious and your opinion is invalid.
 
2012-07-23 11:40:12 AM  

ScouserDuck: austin_millbarge: ScouserDuck: and by saying a team has lost every game since '98, you demoralize the entire fanbase.

..no, it knocks the child molester sympathizer Paterno off his perch as the winningest coach.

/but that punishes the students and players right?

I was speaking as a college football fan. I would be crushed if my team's record was 0-14 years. But what you and others had said is correct too.


Crushed over 14 years of retroactive losses? How about 14 years of child rape cover ups?

/you are part of the problem
 
2012-07-23 11:40:37 AM  
14 years of covering up rape and this is all they get?! That's complete and utter bullshiat. Should have killed the program altogether. Anything less is unacceptable.
 
2012-07-23 11:40:54 AM  

Gosling: I don't even consider vacating wins to be a valid punishment at all. The game was played. The highlight reels were recorded. The people and players attended. The fans paid their money, the players made a case to NFL scouts or failed to do so. The injuries picked up on the field didn't retroactively heal. The players who made a case to NFL scouts went on to play in the NFL, and the NFL doesn't give a shiat about college wins and losses (see also: undrafted Kellen Moore). Everybody who was there remembers the games that were played, the course of football history was altered due to them. You can't just go 'Okay, everyone, now we're going to start telling big, fat lies about our past and we'd like you to tell those big, fat lies as well' as if this were some sort of Stalinist purge or something.


So here's a procedural question. Are just the wins vacated or is every stat gathered vacated?

I suspect that an individual players totals would still count. Like rushing yards or TDs or whatever. I guess you COULD tie a Win-Loss record to a QB as some do, but really, that's kind of a misleading stat. It's coaches that are thought of in terms of W-L in football, not the players.

So I ask this... if you're a recent graduate from Penn State, and suddenly you have no wins, wouldn't the NFL realize that PSU just had their record adjusted by the NCAA and this kid needs to be evaluated on his talent? And did vacating those wins vacate your individual stats? And... finally... if you a member of an opposing team that played PSU in the last decade or so, are your stats affected?
 
2012-07-23 11:41:04 AM  
So no bans for anyone involved?
 
2012-07-23 11:41:29 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: But has anyone stopped to point out who the *real* victims here are???

[a.abcnews.com image 640x360]

/yes, I see you jackasses
//yes, punishing the students who did nothing is a-ok in my book

///how else are people supposed to realize that raping children is bad?


You know, we could get that across even more strongly if we just randomly executed everyone in a nursing home. Preferably one in Oregon, where nobody is likely to have had any connection to these events at all. That way we can show that raping children is bad.
 
2012-07-23 11:41:38 AM  

stonicus: Nana's Vibrator: fatalvenom: spentmiles: Wow, notice they didn't include a lifetime coaching ban for Sandusky. How long before that scumbag is back on the sidelines? I could see him landing at Florida or even stepping up to the NFL with the Patriots once he finishes his sentence.

4/10

Sadly, new Penn State head coach O'Brien was offensive coordinator with the Patriots - his first head coaching job is going to be one of the worst head coaching jobs you could possibly have. Hopefully he has the strength to take the lunps, remain patient, and put dignified people on the field.

He started with them in 2007... same year Spygate happened. Why the fark would they even consider picking this guy?


Sounds trolly, but honestly, it makes you wonder what they knew when they hired him. O'Brien was lower level at the time of Spygate but was still close to the media storm and outrage (not that Belichick lets any coordinator talk to anyone). The kind of experience in keeping people focused despite such distraction would be an asset in this situation.
 
2012-07-23 11:41:54 AM  

Icetech3: 60m is nothing to that college and the ncaa has punished students that have no reason to be punished other than supporting joe pa... go after the people responsible..


By your line of logic...I guess supporters of Bin Laden or Hitler are all innocent if all they do is just to support them?

Have you been to Penn State? 99% are responsible!! if not directly as least indirectly. It's the 'invincible' culture of football that permeates throughout the entire college. You're basically God even if you're a cheerleader or the janitor cleaning lockerooms.
Where do you think this superiority complex of coaches, athletes etc comes from?
 
2012-07-23 11:42:08 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: The NCAA has all but said they won't death penalty anyone again


This. People really need to stop getting mad about programs not getting punished as much as SMU. They saw what it did, realized it was too much, and won't do it again. It kind of sucks that they can't go undo it to SMU, but they realized their error and are trying not to repeat it.

I like that the NCAA figured out that you don't always HAVE to top the record punishment every time someone violates rules, something that our government and our people haven't seemed to figure out.
 
2012-07-23 11:42:21 AM  

Gosling: hdhale: But back to my point. Vacating wins is a big deal. It's not a punishment that should be handed out when there were no ineligible players involved. It eats at the integrity of the product.

I don't even consider vacating wins to be a valid punishment at all. The game was played. The highlight reels were recorded. The people and players attended. The fans paid their money, the players made a case to NFL scouts or failed to do so. The injuries picked up on the field didn't retroactively heal. The players who made a case to NFL scouts went on to play in the NFL, and the NFL doesn't give a shiat about college wins and losses (see also: undrafted Kellen Moore). Everybody who was there remembers the games that were played, the course of football history was altered due to them. You can't just go 'Okay, everyone, now we're going to start telling big, fat lies about our past and we'd like you to tell those big, fat lies as well' as if this were some sort of Stalinist purge or something.


yeah, that's sort of my feeling on vacating wins. it's meaningless and pointless. now scholarship reductions, tv bans, and bowl bans are meaningful punishments for a program that clearly needed to have its priorities readjusted.

/will not enjoy the "resilience" stories that espn will run if penn state plays remotely decently.
 
2012-07-23 11:42:34 AM  

Mercutio74: So I ask this... if you're a recent graduate from Penn State, and suddenly you have no wins, wouldn't the NFL realize that PSU just had their record adjusted by the NCAA and this kid needs to be evaluated on his talent? And did vacating those wins vacate your individual stats? And... finally... if you a member of an opposing team that played PSU in the last decade or so, are your stats affected?


A) The NCAA isn't the only one who keeps stats of these games.
B) The NFL doesn't base its evaluations on W/L in the first place.
 
2012-07-23 11:43:20 AM  

Martycrane: 14 years of covering up rape and this is all they get?! That's complete and utter bullshiat. Should have killed the program altogether. Anything less is unacceptable.


Tell us, keyboard warrior.... What are you going to do about it?
 
2012-07-23 11:43:39 AM  

netweavr: So no bans for anyone involved?


I hear that JoePa is banned from coaching forever now. Sandusky will probably only earn receiving yards from now on, no passing yards for him.
 
2012-07-23 11:43:44 AM  

stonicus: Nana's Vibrator: fatalvenom: spentmiles: Wow, notice they didn't include a lifetime coaching ban for Sandusky. How long before that scumbag is back on the sidelines? I could see him landing at Florida or even stepping up to the NFL with the Patriots once he finishes his sentence.

4/10

Sadly, new Penn State head coach O'Brien was offensive coordinator with the Patriots - his first head coaching job is going to be one of the worst head coaching jobs you could possibly have. Hopefully he has the strength to take the lunps, remain patient, and put dignified people on the field.

He started with them in 2007... same year Spygate happened. Why the fark would they even consider picking this guy?


Because he said yes...
 
2012-07-23 11:43:53 AM  
Allow me to quote Nelson Muntz: "Ha ha!" It isn't exactly the death penalty, but that'll do. Where is your Paterno now, PSU?

With the wins from 1998-2011 vacated, Paterno moves from 409 wins to 298, dropping him from first to 12th on the winningest NCAA football coach list.

Oh, right. Legacy? farked.
 
2012-07-23 11:44:38 AM  

Serious Post on Serious Thread: I don't know/care about sports much in general. And College Football ranks about even with belly button lint in my give-a-fark o-meter.

BUT, can we start lobbying to make it legal to punch people in the face that utter the term "JoePa", because I really really wanna punch people in the face that say that word. A lot.


joepa joepa joepa conceal and enabled a kiddy rapist for 14 years. joepa.
 
2012-07-23 11:44:50 AM  

netweavr: Mercutio74: So I ask this... if you're a recent graduate from Penn State, and suddenly you have no wins, wouldn't the NFL realize that PSU just had their record adjusted by the NCAA and this kid needs to be evaluated on his talent? And did vacating those wins vacate your individual stats? And... finally... if you a member of an opposing team that played PSU in the last decade or so, are your stats affected?

A) The NCAA isn't the only one who keeps stats of these games.
B) The NFL doesn't base its evaluations on W/L in the first place.


So this whole "vacating wins" business in fact doesn't affect the players at all in terms of their football careers. That's what I suspected.
 
2012-07-23 11:45:22 AM  

Mercutio74: So I ask this... if you're a recent graduate from Penn State, and suddenly you have no wins, wouldn't the NFL realize that PSU just had their record adjusted by the NCAA and this kid needs to be evaluated on his talent? And did vacating those wins vacate your individual stats? And... finally... if you a member of an opposing team that played PSU in the last decade or so, are your stats affected?


NFL teams aren't going to screw up their draft board to make the NCAA happy. They aren't going to take a guy who ran for 40 touchdowns but who the NCAA claims never ran for any because they were all vacated, and go 'This guy never ran for a touchdown? He must suck!' Because some other team is going to ignore the directive, draft him, and use him to run the fark over the team that did obey the vacated-wins directive.

They're going to go by what actually happened on the field, not what the NCAA claims 'officially' happened.
 
2012-07-23 11:46:00 AM  

Fuggin Bizzy: Where is your Paterno now, PSU?


i've heard he's in storage. or just perhaps ashes now. depending on which joepa you were asking about...
 
2012-07-23 11:46:08 AM  
It seems some folks think that if you abandon wins it matters to anything at all. It doesn't. It doesn't even give the team you abandoned the win against a win. They still have a loss.

That was an excellent add on that really affects nothing other than Joe Paterno's career wins. What number is he on the winninest coaches list now?
 
2012-07-23 11:46:40 AM  
I'm not sure about the vacated wins thing. I have a thing about historical revisionism, and whatever you may say about Paterno (and what I will be saying is that he enabled the rape of children for a decade), he did coach a team who won those games.

Perhaps and "asterisking" would have been better.

/STAND DOWN, I'm at least as furious at Penn State as you are.
 
2012-07-23 11:46:45 AM  

Carousel Beast: The My Little Pony Killer: But has anyone stopped to point out who the *real* victims here are???

[a.abcnews.com image 640x360]

/yes, I see you jackasses
//yes, punishing the students who did nothing is a-ok in my book

///how else are people supposed to realize that raping children is bad?

You know, we could get that across even more strongly if we just randomly executed everyone in a nursing home. Preferably one in Oregon, where nobody is likely to have had any connection to these events at all. That way we can show that raping children is bad.


False analogy is false.
 
2012-07-23 11:46:59 AM  
The penalty against Penn state is understandable, but does it have any provisions to prevent those who had nothing to do with what happened from being affected by the penalty?
 
2012-07-23 11:47:16 AM  

IAmRight: DoBeDoBeDo: The NCAA has all but said they won't death penalty anyone again

This. People really need to stop getting mad about programs not getting punished as much as SMU. They saw what it did, realized it was too much, and won't do it again. It kind of sucks that they can't go undo it to SMU, but they realized their error and are trying not to repeat it.

I like that the NCAA figured out that you don't always HAVE to top the record punishment every time someone violates rules, something that our government and our people haven't seemed to figure out.


You don't always have to top the old punishment, but when the violation is more extreme, you'd be idiotic not to.

You know, none of this would bother me as much if the students at Penn State hadn't rioted over Paterno's firing. I mean, I'm 21 years old and a college student, and I like football, but that kind of behavior is indicative of an addiction to the culture that needs to be broken, cold turkey.
 
2012-07-23 11:48:01 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: The penalty against Penn state is understandable, but does it have any provisions to prevent those who had nothing to do with what happened from being affected by the penalty?


Yes.
 
2012-07-23 11:48:14 AM  
Will past players accomplishments also be nulified? Like any awards for rushing, sacks or anything like that or just the wins? I didnt read all of TFA. I am kinda on the fence about the scolarships. I hope any of the ones taken away are not from current players but just not there for any future prospects. But I do understand the NCAA reason for doing it.
 
2012-07-23 11:48:26 AM  

Mercutio74: netweavr: Mercutio74: So I ask this... if you're a recent graduate from Penn State, and suddenly you have no wins, wouldn't the NFL realize that PSU just had their record adjusted by the NCAA and this kid needs to be evaluated on his talent? And did vacating those wins vacate your individual stats? And... finally... if you a member of an opposing team that played PSU in the last decade or so, are your stats affected?

A) The NCAA isn't the only one who keeps stats of these games.
B) The NFL doesn't base its evaluations on W/L in the first place.

So this whole "vacating wins" business in fact doesn't affect the players at all in terms of their football careers. That's what I suspected.


Now if you could only get AndrefromMA and about half a dozen other retards in here to "get" that, we'd actually be getting somewhere in this thread.
 
2012-07-23 11:48:30 AM  

Publikwerks: Be thankful, If I had my way:


You, sir, have earned my write-in Presidential nomination. Kudos.
 
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